OT: Al Franken

Guillaume · Apr 26, 2004

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

"brutal enforcement of the right laws" ?

It's extremely dangerous. Who is to say what is right and what is
wrong, to begin with? And what do you mean by "brutal enforcement" ?

Chuck Harris · Apr 26, 2004

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Tim Auton wrote:

I've looked about a bit and I suspect you may be right. From what he
wrote I assumed he must have been taking the piss.

Tim

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"taking the piss", hmmm, never have been sure what that phrase means.

-Steve

As near as I can tell, it is a reference to the color of beer.

If a Brit tells you he is "pissed" he means that he is drunk.

-Chuck

Richard Henry · Apr 26, 2004

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

John Larkin · Apr 26, 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:22:13 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

KR Williams wrote:

In article <cg1o80tntkea2hovojk1rku6pduvfgdfa4@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com says...
On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 18:02:36 GMT, "Tom Del Rosso"
tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

I think the anarchists expect people to be civilized,

And use bombs to prove it.

Communism is infinitely optimistic, and engages in best-case design. I
wouldn't want to drive over a bridge designed on best-case
assumptions.

...or designed by someone who thought that someone else should be
responsible for his work.

--
Keith
-----------------
Nonsense, calling Communists "optimistic" is like calling Nazis
"laid-back".

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

Exactly. You make best-case assumptions about the enforcers.

John

John Larkin · Apr 26, 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:19:02 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

If you believe you're right, then enforce it brutally, and if you
don't, then nobody should bother to care what you think.

Then all that matters is power. Do you have any?

John

Jim Thompson · Apr 26, 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 08:14:36 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:19:02 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

If you believe you're right, then enforce it brutally, and if you
don't, then nobody should bother to care what you think.

Then all that matters is power. Do you have any?

John

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Product developer · Apr 26, 2004

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8S8jc.41708$Rz3.2999@fed1read05>...

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

I guess this explains why it takes walls, razor wire, and tanks to
keep the populace caged long enough to acheive "perfection".

This would make a great comedy sketch. A man yelling through a crack
in the wall "I think I am feeling rather perfect now. Can I be free
now?! Hello?! Anyone out there?! I said I am feeling perfect!"

If we all lived under this faulty thinking we would all be still
riding beasts of burden or at least those who reached perfection.

Tim Auton · Apr 26, 2004

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:

Tim Auton wrote:
[RSW, uh "politics"]
I've looked about a bit and I suspect you may be right. From what he
wrote I assumed he must have been taking the piss.

"taking the piss", hmmm, never have been sure what that phrase means.

Taking the mickey; making a joke at somebody's expense.

Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

Spehro Pefhany · Apr 26, 2004

On 26 Apr 2004 11:57:49 -0700, the renowned jdurban@vorel.com (Product
developer) wrote:

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8S8jc.41708$Rz3.2999@fed1read05>...
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

I guess this explains why it takes walls, razor wire, and tanks to
keep the populace caged long enough to acheive "perfection".

This would make a great comedy sketch. A man yelling through a crack
in the wall "I think I am feeling rather perfect now. Can I be free
now?! Hello?! Anyone out there?! I said I am feeling perfect!"

If we all lived under this faulty thinking we would all be still
riding beasts of burden or at least those who reached perfection.

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Communism is just the opposite.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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Tim Auton · Apr 26, 2004

bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman) wrote:
[taking the piss]

"Taking the piss" is an English locution. John Woodgate would probably
be a more reliable source than I am, but IIRR it means feeding someone
an implausible story which the victim will find believable because it
is a story that they want to believe, or because their critical
faculties aren't up to much.

An accurate definition, but only a subset. It's used more generally to
mean making fun of someone, so you can take the piss out of someone by
making fun of their silly shoes as well as by telling them a fantastic
story as you describe.

This site has a theory on the origin of the phrase. I don't know how
accurate it is, but it seems plausible enough to me.

http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-tak2.htm

Tim
--
Love is a travelator.

Jim Thompson · Apr 26, 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:17:19 GMT, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

[snip]

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Communism is just the opposite.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

Guillaume wrote:

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

"brutal enforcement of the right laws" ?

It's extremely dangerous.
------------

You merely saying that doesn't make it so. Moron.

Don't you even feel some obligation to somehow try to SHOW what
you blatheringly assert??

Who is to say what is right and what is
wrong, to begin with?
-------------

When people attack our lives, or try to limit our lives, we have
the right to fight back and kill them to prevent them doing it
ever again. That's true regarding 9/11, or about vicious female child
clitoridectomy or the other Muslim or Catholic or Baptist
abuses and oppression of children and women. We have the right
to rescue the enslaved and abused by any means necessary.

And what do you mean by "brutal enforcement" ?
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Immediate execution of those who intentionally offend.

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.
---------------

If you have to fear it, then you deserve to fear it,
because you've enlisted in the ranks of Evil Doers.

-Steve
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Spehro Pefhany · Apr 26, 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:14:52 +0100, the renowned Tim Auton
<tim.auton@uton.[groupSexWithoutTheY]> wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote:
Tim Auton wrote:
[RSW, uh "politics"]
I've looked about a bit and I suspect you may be right. From what he
wrote I assumed he must have been taking the piss.

"taking the piss", hmmm, never have been sure what that phrase means.

Taking the mickey; making a joke at somebody's expense.

Do you know if that is mickey as in the small flask-shaped bottles of
liquor, mickey as in the trademarked rodent or something else
entirely?

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

Product developer wrote:

"Richard Henry" <rphenry@home.com> wrote in message news:<8S8jc.41708$Rz3.2999@fed1read05>...
"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.

I guess this explains why it takes walls, razor wire, and tanks to
keep the populace caged long enough to acheive "perfection".
--------------------------

Nonsense, neither Russia or China or the Eastern Block were "communist",
they were varieties of Fascist Industrial Feudalism,
just like Capitalism, which is a crypto-Feudalism. The people who
used tanks and razor wire were the rich Politburo and "Party"
families who sold everything the People made abroad and banked
the money in offshore banks with numbered accounts, and who are
now the Russian Mafia!!! The only reason they CALLED it "communism"
is to fool the People because that was once a popular cause and
they needed to deceive them to keep them oppressed, the same as
the shit-vicious rich do here pretending you all are "free"!!

This would make a great comedy sketch. A man yelling through a crack
in the wall "I think I am feeling rather perfect now. Can I be free
now?! Hello?! Anyone out there?! I said I am feeling perfect!"

If we all lived under this faulty thinking we would all be still
riding beasts of burden or at least those who reached perfection.
--------------

Strawman! Russia was NEVER "communist"!! It was a game the rich ran
to get richer, just like this one, they simply lied a pleasing lie,
just like the rich do here.

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Communism is just the opposite.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
-------------

Good gag, but wrong.

Under Communism NO one is exploited. Each works for their own security
for their whole life, and nobody pays monthly tribute to the rich shit,
who falsely claims to own their house, just to get out of the cold and
the rain, just so the rich can take their 5th vacation or ski trip this
year!!

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:22:13 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

Communism is infinitely optimistic, and engages in best-case
design. I wouldn't want to drive over a bridge designed on
best-case assumptions.

...or designed by someone who thought that someone else should
be responsible for his work.

Keith
-----------------
Nonsense, calling Communists "optimistic" is like calling Nazis
"laid-back".

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

Exactly. You make best-case assumptions about the enforcers.
John
----------------

The laws I favor are no different in nature or quality than the
laws now, and the ones we have now aren't subject to your lame criticism
here, and so neither are those that I favor.

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

John Larkin wrote:

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 04:19:02 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

If you believe you're right, then enforce it brutally, and if you
don't, then nobody should bother to care what you think.

Then all that matters is power.
--------------------

Nope. You could make that phony assertion about ANY authority.

All authority must wield power that criminals won't like. But
if you wish to see a better authority succeed, then accept
NOTHING else but THAT authority's absolute power. So it's
a matter of YOU making the judgement of what is TRULY RIGHT!

Power alone has no idea which way to go or what to do.
So your assertion is merely a stupid connivance to disinform.

Do you have any?

John
------------

Irrelevant. Meaningless Disingenuity.

-Steve
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R. Steve Walz · Apr 26, 2004

Jim Thompson wrote:

Of course not. Why do you think he rants so? Steve is totally
impotent. ROTFLMAO!
...Jim Thompson
--------------

Gee, it worked okay this morning!

-Steve
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John Larkin · Apr 26, 2004

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:31:41 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com>
wrote:

Richard Henry wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com> wrote in message
news:408C8F33.6D@armory.com...

We Communists believe that the only individual perfection possible
is best accomplished from without, by brutal enforcement of the
right laws.

That prety much sums up what we feared about you.
---------------
If you have to fear it, then you deserve to fear it,
because you've enlisted in the ranks of Evil Doers.

-Steve

Ooh, one of those guys in black capes. I want one!

John

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