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We should all know by now that the eco-nazis don't do energy accounting in"Terry Pinnell" <terrypingm@DELETEgmail.com> wrote in message
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adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:
Terry Pinnell <terrypingm@DELETEgmail.com> wrote:
adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote:
Terry Pinnell <terrypingm@DELETEgmail.com> wrote:
(Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.)
Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the
UK
please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining
stock
of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly.
http://www.wrightshardware.co.uk/Eaccess.htm
Thanks Adrian. Phoned at 7pm but I see they're closed all day Thursdays
anyway. I'll try again on Saturday after the Wedding. Doesn't look like
they have any online ordering but presumably they will despatch? Bath's
a
little too far to justify the trip!
He told me he intends to open the shop tomorrow (Friday).
I warned him that, if he had a website, people would expect him to do
mail order, but I don't know if he is ready for it yet.
Adrian: I phoned this morning but it appears as you suspected that Mr
Wright supplies only to those visiting his shop. He did say he'd have a
think and "talk to Adrian...". However, I'm pleased to say I've now found
another local source. I bought 20 x 60W and they've ordered the same
number of 100W.
BTW, I was surprised to learn that no 'pearl' types are now made, all are
clear glass.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK
Yes Terry. See my other posts making mention of this. Apparently, pearlised
types were the first to be phased out, because they consume more energy to
make than clear ones. Oh brother ! And I suppose that CFLs, with their
hundreds of manufacturing processes, don't ... ?
Arfa
That is also true. Specially in cheap (read: bad quality) CFL´s. The"Father Haskell"
Flicker frequency? CFLs flicker in the kHz range. Imperceptable.
** The light of a CFL is modulated at 100 Hz too.
Cos the internal DC supply is very poorly filtered.
In general, the 100Hz ( or 120Hz) light modulation is less than experienced
with regular fluoros and low wattage ( 60 or 70 W) incandescent lamps.
.... Phil
Geof:Arfa Daily wrote:
Yes indeed - I am colour blind, and if that is what makes the difference
between someone who does have an issue with CFLs, and someone who doesn't,
then 12% - one eighth - of the population being forced to suffer because
of this legislation, seems a pretty poor show of arrogance by the powers
that be, in insisting that we suffer in the way that we are being made
That's an interesting point. If 12% of the population is aflicted with a
gentic disorder, or one caused by a disease or trauma, then the National
Health should provide them with incadescent bulbs and a susbidy for
electricity to run them.
I know the US has the "Americans with Disabilities Act" that would require
it, and I'm sure there is something in British or EU law like that.
I would persue it based on what the National Health does for people
with macular degeneration and work backwards. At what point is the
inability to see defined and where does color blindness affect your
daily life.
Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it.
What about simple selfishness on the part of the consumer?Yes Terry. See my other posts making mention of this.
Apparently, pearlised types were the first to be phased out,
because they consume more energy to make than clear ones.
Oh brother ! And I suppose that CFLs, with their hundreds of
manufacturing processes, don't ... ?
3-way CFL's do exist. I have several. In the US, Target and WalMart sellMy torchieres were designed to fit 50-100-150 W bulbs. No one makes a
globe or bullet brightness equivalent, much less a three-way CFL. I
tried a "100 W equivalent" twisty bulb, and promptly brushed it
against the ceiling, turning my living room into a hazmat scene.
(Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.)
Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK
please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock
of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly.
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK
$0.10 per kw-hr is subsidized (baseline) electricity. A tolerableSuppose a 100W-equivalent CFL that draws 25W lasts only 1000 hours. In that
time you save 75kWh. At 10 cents per kWh, that's $7.50 -- three times the
cost of the bulb.
Lots of things I don't like I had to adapt to because they were NLA orMaybe you can't see anything wrong with them, and they suit your eyes,
But they are no good for me on both counts. I, and many others both here
and over there, *can* see their deficiencies, and don't like them. As
indeed prompted the OP to make his post ...
They want 'equality' - so now you're all equally miserable. Coming"Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"Terry Pinnell"
"Arfa Daily"
Maybe you can't see anything wrong with them, and they suit your eyes,
But
they are no good for me on both counts. I, and many others both here and
over there, *can* see their deficiencies, and don't like them. As indeed
prompted the OP to make his post ...
Arfa: Agreed. My feelings exactly.
** Arfa has admitted to being colour blind.
So you are too - it seems.
Have trouble with 1% resistor codes do we???
12% of all males are colour blind - ie they fail one of the basic tests..
Only 1 or 2% of females are so afflicted - but THEY are the CARRIERS !
.... Phil
Yes indeed - I am colour blind, and if that is what makes the difference
between someone who does have an issue with CFLs, and someone who doesn't,
then 12% - one eighth - of the population being forced to suffer because
of this legislation, seems a pretty poor show of arrogance by the powers
that be, in insisting that we suffer in the way that we are being made to
...
Arfa
Suppose a 100W-equivalent CFL that draws 25W lasts only 1000 hours. In
that
time you save 75kWh. At 10 cents per kWh, that's $7.50 -- three times the
cost of the bulb.
Wrong."William Sommerwanker is Wrong Again"
Well, it doesn't where I live. So who's wrong?Suppose a 100W-equivalent CFL that draws 25W lasts only 1000 hours. In
that
time you save 75kWh. At 10 cents per kWh, that's $7.50 -- three times the
cost of the bulb.
** A CLF that genuinely replaces a 100W bulb cost at lot more than $2.50
where I live.
** Blatant lie.Suppose a 100W-equivalent CFL that draws 25W lasts only 1000 hours. In
that
time you save 75kWh. At 10 cents per kWh, that's $7.50 -- three times
the
cost of the bulb.
** A CLF that genuinely replaces a 100W bulb cost at lot more than $2.50
where I live.
Well, it doesn't where I live.
http://www.homedepot.com/"William Sommerwanker is a Lying Cunt "
Suppose a 100W-equivalent CFL that draws 25W lasts only 1000 hours.
In that
time you save 75kWh. At 10 cents per kWh, that's $7.50 -- three times
the
cost of the bulb.
** A CLF that genuinely replaces a 100W bulb cost at lot more than
$2.50 where I live.
Well, it doesn't where I live.
** Blatant lie.
And STOP SNIPPING people's cases out of sight - you FUCKHEAD !!!!!!!
** A CLF that genuinely replaces a 100W bulb cost at lot more than $2.50
where I live.
Even a "no brand" 27W CFL ( direct from China import ) sells for $ 8
to $10 each.
I worked out long ago that the break even point for a CFL occurs at
about 1000 hours - but only about half of them make it that long
,without dying or losing almost half their light output.
.... Phil
** Says $5.97 when I look.** A CLF that genuinely replaces a 100W bulb cost at lot more than $2.50
where I live.
Even a "no brand" 27W CFL ( direct from China import ) sells for $ 8
to $10 each.
I worked out long ago that the break even point for a CFL occurs at
about 1000 hours - but only about half of them make it that long
,without dying or losing almost half their light output.
http://www.homedepot.com/
EcoSmart 27-Watt (100W) Daylight CFL Light Bulb (2-Pack)
Model # ES5M827250K Internet # 100677481 Store SKU # 599526
$3.97
** 23W CFL does not " genuinely replace" a 100W bulb.EcoSmart
23-Watt (100W) Soft White CFL Light Bulbs (4-Pack)
** Says $7.97 when I look.$3.97
** My post was:http://www.homedepot.com/EcoSmart/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ4b8/R-100686997/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
One buck apiece.
The posted reviews are mostly highly negative. I've had no trouble with
any
of the Home Depot CFLs I've bought -- including these.
"William Sommerwerck is a Lying Pig "
Sorry, Phil... How are you going to get out of this one?
http://www.homedepot.com/EcoSmart/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ4b8/R-100686997/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
One buck apiece.
The posted reviews are mostly highly negative. I've had no trouble
with any of the Home Depot CFLs I've bought -- including these.
** My post was:
" A CFL that **genuinely replaces** a 100W bulb cost
at lot more than $2.50 where I live."
Then you post an example of CFLs that are total crap.
Lasting only weeks and producing no where near the light
of a 100W bulb. And you cannot even divide 8 by 4 and get
it right. Fuck OFF you bloody IMBECILE !!
You're suggesting he gets himself shot in the head?Why don't you just join Bin Laden?
No, I just suggested he join him. The method is up to Phil.Why don't you just join Bin Laden?
You're suggesting he gets himself shot in the head?