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Robert Baer
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JeffM wrote:
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JeffM
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You make that sound like a rare occourance.
I find the inverse to be true.
So, has your preconception kept you from installing one?
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Chuck Harris
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JeffM wrote:
for the information. What it does know is the "what" sends
it the location of the file desired (URL), and which block is currently
required. You can ask for the different blocks in the
file in any order you want. The download protocol is supposed
to ask for bad blocks to be repeated until they are successfully
downloaded.
There are a number of nice download managers that will go to
the 7 seas to make sure that a file is downloaded completely.
It shouldn't come as any big surprise that the one included with
Internet Explorer doesn't do a good job. Not even the one that
comes with Mozilla, or Firefox does all that good of a job. At
least with the Mozilla download manager, you can set how tenacious
it is.
-Chuck
Not so Robert! The website has no idea who or what is asking
for the information. What it does know is the "what" sends
it the location of the file desired (URL), and which block is currently
required. You can ask for the different blocks in the
file in any order you want. The download protocol is supposed
to ask for bad blocks to be repeated until they are successfully
downloaded.
There are a number of nice download managers that will go to
the 7 seas to make sure that a file is downloaded completely.
It shouldn't come as any big surprise that the one included with
Internet Explorer doesn't do a good job. Not even the one that
comes with Mozilla, or Firefox does all that good of a job. At
least with the Mozilla download manager, you can set how tenacious
it is.
-Chuck
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JeffM
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but IME, *Resume* is at the option of the site admin.
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by lumping that M$ crap in with the rest.
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GetRight has been around a long time
and has gotten it mostly right since way back.
With GetRight, you sometimes get a warning in the dialog box[1]
that says that the site does not allow *Resume*.
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[1] I LOVE the 4th box in the corner (a dot)
that allows you to *Minimize to Tray*.
I wish more apps had that.
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Robert Baer
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Chuck Harris wrote:
much as possible (but impossible to completely) in Win2K.
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Chuck Harris
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Robert Baer wrote:
presume that you are using Netscape 7.2 for downloading files off of
the web?
I had a lot of trouble with Netscape saying that it had downloaded the
complete file, only to find that it had actually quit after being only
part of the way done.
For FTP downloads, I use ProZilla, which unfortunately for you, only
runs under linux, and other unix like operating systems... but what
I describe will give you an idea of what is possible:
ProZilla goes out to the ftp site, and starts up to 4 different requests
for the file. The first asks for the first quarter, the second, the second
quarter, the third, the third quarter, and the fourth, the fourth quarter,
and it merrily sucks all four quarters of the file from the site at one
time. It won't quit until you stop it, or it has successfully downloaded
the entire file.
The server side has no say in whether or not you can resume a download. It
is entirely up to your download manager... and as I said, even the one
in Mozilla, and Firefox is not very good. The one in Netscape seems to be
even worse. The transaction that goes on during a file download is one where
your manager passes the number of the block it wants to the server, and the
server sends the block. Your download manager could ask for the blocks in the
reverse order, or random order if it wanted to. The server side would neither
know, nor care.
Try googling the following words: "download" "manager" "windows"
It should get you a whole pile of download managers that will work under
netscrape on windoze.
One other thing I would suggest you do, is abandon netscape, and download
mozilla suite 1.7 from http://www.mozilla.org
It is a much better implementation than the ad ridden mess that netscape
became after being bought by AOL.
-Chuck
Good, very sensible! I see that you are using Netscape 7.2. Dare I
presume that you are using Netscape 7.2 for downloading files off of
the web?
I had a lot of trouble with Netscape saying that it had downloaded the
complete file, only to find that it had actually quit after being only
part of the way done.
For FTP downloads, I use ProZilla, which unfortunately for you, only
runs under linux, and other unix like operating systems... but what
I describe will give you an idea of what is possible:
ProZilla goes out to the ftp site, and starts up to 4 different requests
for the file. The first asks for the first quarter, the second, the second
quarter, the third, the third quarter, and the fourth, the fourth quarter,
and it merrily sucks all four quarters of the file from the site at one
time. It won't quit until you stop it, or it has successfully downloaded
the entire file.
The server side has no say in whether or not you can resume a download. It
is entirely up to your download manager... and as I said, even the one
in Mozilla, and Firefox is not very good. The one in Netscape seems to be
even worse. The transaction that goes on during a file download is one where
your manager passes the number of the block it wants to the server, and the
server sends the block. Your download manager could ask for the blocks in the
reverse order, or random order if it wanted to. The server side would neither
know, nor care.
Try googling the following words: "download" "manager" "windows"
It should get you a whole pile of download managers that will work under
netscrape on windoze.
One other thing I would suggest you do, is abandon netscape, and download
mozilla suite 1.7 from http://www.mozilla.org
It is a much better implementation than the ad ridden mess that netscape
became after being bought by AOL.
-Chuck
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David Brown
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Chuck Harris wrote:
Netscape might do it too).
Manager http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ a pretty good solution for
windows.
download by default, but it can be disabled and some older servers do
not support it by default. However, these days it is very rare to find
an ftp server that does not support resume (although many will limit the
simultaneous connections to a single IP address). Similarly, http
servers do not necessarily support resume - although most do, there is
still a substantial proportion that do not.
Still, using a decent download manager is strongly recommended.
thunderbird for mail, if you want to switch mail client too). The
mozilla suite itself is pretty much dead-end - all its developers are
concentrating on firefox. Opera is another solid choice, if you like
its style.
> -Chuck
It is IE that has the real reputation for doing exactly that (although
Netscape might do it too).
Sounds much like many other download managers. I find Free Download
Manager http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/ a pretty good solution for
windows.
That's not actually true. Almost all ftp servers will support resumed
download by default, but it can be disabled and some older servers do
not support it by default. However, these days it is very rare to find
an ftp server that does not support resume (although many will limit the
simultaneous connections to a single IP address). Similarly, http
servers do not necessarily support resume - although most do, there is
still a substantial proportion that do not.
Still, using a decent download manager is strongly recommended.
You should then abandon the mozilla suite, and download firefox (and
thunderbird for mail, if you want to switch mail client too). The
mozilla suite itself is pretty much dead-end - all its developers are
concentrating on firefox. Opera is another solid choice, if you like
its style.
> -Chuck
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Chuck Harris
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David Brown wrote:
It has a better user interface, a smaller footprint, and it has a chat
(IRC) feature, web development editors (composers), and javascript debuggers
all in one package.
Even combined with thunderbird, firefox cannot do even one half of what
mozilla suite does, and does well. MOFO were idiots for dumping the
suite in favor of the buggy IE/OE clones firefox and thunderbird.
The sole and only reason they did it was because MS had IE and OE separate.
Mozilla suite is currently being developed as the Seamonkey project.
-Chuck
Mozilla suite is vastly superior to the firefox/thunderbird combination.
It has a better user interface, a smaller footprint, and it has a chat
(IRC) feature, web development editors (composers), and javascript debuggers
all in one package.
Even combined with thunderbird, firefox cannot do even one half of what
mozilla suite does, and does well. MOFO were idiots for dumping the
suite in favor of the buggy IE/OE clones firefox and thunderbird.
The sole and only reason they did it was because MS had IE and OE separate.
Mozilla suite is currently being developed as the Seamonkey project.
-Chuck
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JeffM
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I'm glad I'm late to this part of the thread.
You have done the yeoman work masterfully.
For those who are still (inexplicably) unconvinced:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/0424229&threshold=4&mode=nested#13595268
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/0424229&threshold=4&mode=nested#13594677
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gbYGKr8-uJMJ:wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Reasons+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-plugins-*-*-*-*-basic-functionality+polished+history-manager+*-was-not-done+*-*-*-*-*-download-plugins-*-provide-*-basic-functionality+Text-only-*-*-*-*-*-icons+history-manager+*-one-set-*-*-libraries+more-*-*-Edit-Preferences+edit-*-*-with-Composer+polished+animated-*+quicklaunch
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roZilla [Linux]...starts up to 4 different requests for the file.::: Chuck Harris
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There you go. GetRight (Windoze) can do up to 6 segments.
There is absolutely no reason
why anyone should struggle with broken downloads.
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Robert Baer
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Chuck Harris wrote:
And i have seen where it had no idea as to the file length - but
still zero problems.
So assuming i find a decent DLM that will be happy with NS, how would
i "inhibit" the NS DLM and "enable" the !foreign! one?
stayed connected (dropped only once during a 3Mbyte download).
And i have seen where it had no idea as to the file length - but
still zero problems.
So assuming i find a decent DLM that will be happy with NS, how would
i "inhibit" the NS DLM and "enable" the !foreign! one?
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Robert Baer
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David Brown wrote:
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Robert Baer
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JeffM wrote:
say anything about limitations on the free download version.It is a much better implementation than the ad ridden mess
that netscape became after being bought by AOL.
David Brown
Mozilla suite is vastly superior to the firefox/thunderbird combination.
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Even combined with thunderbird, firefox cannot do even one half
of what mozilla suite does, and does well.
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Mozilla suite is currently being developed as the Seamonkey project.
Chuck Harris
I'm glad I'm late to this part of the thread.
You have done the yeoman work masterfully.
For those who are still (inexplicably) unconvinced:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/0424229&threshold=4&mode=nested#13595268
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/19/0424229&threshold=4&mode=nested#13594677
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gbYGKr8-uJMJ:wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Reasons+*-*-*-*-*-*-*-plugins-*-*-*-*-basic-functionality+polished+history-manager+*-was-not-done+*-*-*-*-*-download-plugins-*-provide-*-basic-functionality+Text-only-*-*-*-*-*-icons+history-manager+*-one-set-*-*-libraries+more-*-*-Edit-Preferences+edit-*-*-with-Composer+polished+animated-*+quicklaunch
.
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::: Chuck Harris
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There you go. GetRight (Windoze) can do up to 6 segments.
There is absolutely no reason
why anyone should struggle with broken downloads.
....At least GetRight supports NS; they do not say how much and do not
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Robert Baer
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Robert Baer wrote:
smallest.
Have e-mail queries out for demo CDs and pricing (why is it that so
few say anything about pricing?).
If there is no response within 5 days, the "option" is dropped.
I have nits to pick on all of them, but DipTrace has the fewest and
smallest.
Have e-mail queries out for demo CDs and pricing (why is it that so
few say anything about pricing?).
If there is no response within 5 days, the "option" is dropped.
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Chuck Harris
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Robert Baer wrote:
download files that at hundreds of megabytes in size. I just set them up
to go overnight.
timing out on my download. The server master has set the maximum download
interval to be shorter than the time required to download using a POTS
modem.
just a plugin.
Mozilla 1.7.x and Seamonkey are a better browser suite than Netscape. Netscape
is customized adaptation of Mozilla, so they share almost all of the same
code. But many of the things Netscape (AOL) did to customize Mozilla are
not appropriate to folks that don't use AOL, and they left out some interesting
tidbits.
-Chuck
I keep my POTS line and modem up 24/7, for months at a time. I routinely
download files that at hundreds of megabytes in size. I just set them up
to go overnight.
When I do have problems, I think it is more a matter of the server end
timing out on my download. The server master has set the maximum download
interval to be shorter than the time required to download using a POTS
modem.
The DLM will have instructions on how to install it. Basically, it is
just a plugin.
Mozilla 1.7.x and Seamonkey are a better browser suite than Netscape. Netscape
is customized adaptation of Mozilla, so they share almost all of the same
code. But many of the things Netscape (AOL) did to customize Mozilla are
not appropriate to folks that don't use AOL, and they left out some interesting
tidbits.
-Chuck
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JeffM
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Sometimes I have to do (Copy URL to Clipboard)
File; Enter New URL ; (Auto-Pasted).
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http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:tJZvFrScneoJ:www.getright.com/statement.html+we-*-only-make-money-if-you-buy-GetRight+For-versions-of-GetRight-higher-than-*-*+*-banner-ads-have-been-removed
Earlier versions:
http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=getright
Note: I use Opera 6 to go to this site.
Mozilla has choked on it before.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=getright
(I think the site has been tweaked since I had problems.)
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Robert Baer
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Chuck Harris wrote:
so unless someone wants to pay me $2,000,000 tax free.
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John Devereux
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Robert Baer <robertbaer@earthlink.net> writes:
to $495. Downloads from 8.5 to 20.6MB.
John Devereux
Never heard of DipTrace, but it actually looks pretty nice.
Uh.. click on the "order diptrace" link. Looks like it goes from free
to $495. Downloads from 8.5 to 20.6MB.
--
John Devereux
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Chuck Harris
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Robert Baer wrote:
proceeded to recast Netscape (the browser) in their image. You may not be
using AOL's network services, but you are using their browser.
Mozilla 1.7 suite (no longer supported), and SeaMonkey (fully supported) are
the same browser, but without AOL's "enhancements".
-Chuck
Sure you do, you use Netscape. AOL bought Netscape (the company), and then
proceeded to recast Netscape (the browser) in their image. You may not be
using AOL's network services, but you are using their browser.
Mozilla 1.7 suite (no longer supported), and SeaMonkey (fully supported) are
the same browser, but without AOL's "enhancements".
-Chuck
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David Brown
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Robert Baer wrote:
<snip>
with Firefox (especially with the FlashGot extension), and I'm sure is
happy with Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, or whatever else you want.
<snip>
Sure, Free Download Manager supports IE - but it also works perfectly
with Firefox (especially with the FlashGot extension), and I'm sure is
happy with Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, or whatever else you want.
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David Brown
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Chuck Harris wrote:
it's a good while since I tried Seamonkey. I don't see browsing and
email as related (nor chat, which I don't use, nor html editing, which I
seldom do). Prior to switching to Firefox, I used Opera as my main
browser - but never it's email client.
There is plenty that could be done to improve Firefox (in particular, it
should be made much easier and clearer to new users how to get
extensions, and there should be a hierarchy of "standard", "specialised"
and "experimental" extensions to make it easier to quickly get what you
need). But it is in no way an IE clone - I have recently been
unfortunate enough to have to use IE, and it is not remotely as
convenient and useful a browser as Firefox or Opera (ignoring little
details like security...).
Seamonkey may be actively developed, but www.mozilla.org relegates it to
"Other software", and www.mozilla.com fails to mention it at all. That
should give a fair idea of the priorities of the Mozilla Foundation.
As for footprints - there is also the download footprint to consider, at
least for Robert - Firefox is much smaller than Mozilla.
But the choice is good - Mozilla for those that want a suite, and
Firefox/Thunderbird for those that don't.
mvh.,
David
Well, I guess it's all a matter of personal opinion - and to be honest,
it's a good while since I tried Seamonkey. I don't see browsing and
email as related (nor chat, which I don't use, nor html editing, which I
seldom do). Prior to switching to Firefox, I used Opera as my main
browser - but never it's email client.
There is plenty that could be done to improve Firefox (in particular, it
should be made much easier and clearer to new users how to get
extensions, and there should be a hierarchy of "standard", "specialised"
and "experimental" extensions to make it easier to quickly get what you
need). But it is in no way an IE clone - I have recently been
unfortunate enough to have to use IE, and it is not remotely as
convenient and useful a browser as Firefox or Opera (ignoring little
details like security...).
Seamonkey may be actively developed, but www.mozilla.org relegates it to
"Other software", and www.mozilla.com fails to mention it at all. That
should give a fair idea of the priorities of the Mozilla Foundation.
As for footprints - there is also the download footprint to consider, at
least for Robert - Firefox is much smaller than Mozilla.
But the choice is good - Mozilla for those that want a suite, and
Firefox/Thunderbird for those that don't.
mvh.,
David