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Jan Panteltje wrote:

I JUST USED TO HOLD THE SENSOR IN MY HAND AND SET FOR 37.5°C.
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But there are hot and cold people by at least a degree either way.

Graham
 
Eeyore wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:

I JUST USED TO HOLD THE SENSOR IN MY HAND AND SET FOR 37.5°C.

p.s. I thought it was 37.4 anyway.

Graham


37.0 C = 98.6 F (usually quoted as body temperature over here).
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Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
 
Spehro Pefhany wrote:

You'd do much better by sticking it umm.. somewhere more ummm..
consistent in temperature...
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The way the French do ? Wonder what they do in Quebec !

Graham
 
Archimedes' Lever wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day it happened Rich Grise wrote
Jan Panteltje wrote:

I JUST USED TO HOLD THE SENSOR IN MY HAND AND SET FOR 37.5°C.

Then it's very likely calibrated wrong. With that "calibrated" sensor,
check the temp. under your tongue, or even in your armpit, to see what
I'm talking about. Of course, we all know which kind of thermometer is
most accurate of all medical thermometers, don't we? >:-

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.

NO, it does not "save" anything. Particularly energy.

If you published ten GB of data as all caps ASCII text, THEN you MIGHT
save a few milliwatts.

Since we merely write a few lines, the amount of energy used is quite
large, comparatively, and quite wasteful in all cases where one has only
written a few lines.

The less data that a computer actually processes per unit time, the
more wasteful they are, and below a certain point, the computer is at an
"idle state" from a consumption POV for all tasks performed that are not
heavy CPU intensive tasks..

In other words, the GUI and overhead for your machine means that unless
you are actually crunching numbers furiously in a process that actually
taxes the machine, the little petty bits of "work" you perform all use
the same amount of energy per unit of machine time.
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Could this possibly be the funniest and most arcane thread to appear in s.e.d
for a long long time ?

Graham
 
In article <491F8CD5.D0735E68@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

And that's normally good enough ! Best ignore the change in boiling point
vs atm pressure. ;~)

Best not - even cookbooks account for the difference. It takes longer to
boil and egg in Denver than it does in, say, LA.

If boiling point goes up with reduced atmospheric pressure, then why
does water boil as one approaches a vacuum at room temp?

I expect that's simply liberation of dissolved air.

Graham
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Nah. Or at least, not just that. Pull (and hold) sufficient vacuum on a
container with water in it, and the water will indeed boil away at low
temperature. Granted, you'll get any dissolved air out of it during the
process, but that'll only be part of what goes on.

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or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info
 
On 2008-11-15, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:32 GMT) it happened Rich Grise
rich@example.net> wrote in <pan.2008.11.15.16.19.23.568473@example.net>:

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.
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Not here. I have a CRT display and read news in white-on-black.
Caps have more pixels set, therefore more illuminated CRT pixels
so more energy used.

Bye.
 
Jasen Betts wrote:

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.

Not here. I have a CRT display and read news in white-on-black.
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Ouch ! That must hurt !

Graham
 
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:32 GMT) it happened Rich Grise
rich@example.net> wrote in <pan.2008.11.15.16.19.23.568473@example.net>:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:54:15 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I JUST USED TO HOLD THE SENSOR IN MY HAND AND SET FOR 37.5°C.

Then it's very likely calibrated wrong. With that "calibrated" sensor,
check the temp. under your tongue, or even in your armpit, to see what
I'm talking about. Of course, we all know which kind of thermometer is
most accurate of all medical thermometers, don't we? >:-

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.
Click to expand...
It doesn't matter if they're set or reset. If you're perfectly
consistent, you might save kTlog(2) per character-instance, but only
when the messages are erased. So you might as well use all lower-case,
if you're really shiftless.
--
John
 
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:51:23 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:21:08 -0500, Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:07:31 -0800, the renowned Archimedes' Lever
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:16:33 GMT, Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:17:11 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

And that's normally good enough ! Best ignore the change in boiling
point vs atm pressure. ;~)

Best not - even cookbooks account for the difference. It takes longer to
boil and egg in Denver than it does in, say, LA.

If boiling point goes up with reduced atmospheric pressure, then why
does water boil as one approaches a vacuum at room temp?

Cooking time, not boiling point, goes up. How long would eggs take to cook
at room temperature?


Who said the boiling point goes up?? It takes longer to boil an egg in
Denver because the boiling point is _*LOWER*_ with lower atmospheric
pressure.

The "Boiling point" is the temperature at which the vapor pressure reaches
atmospheric pressure."

Hope This Helps!
Rich
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Yes... less caloric input to the egg per unit time.
 
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:32:03 -0800, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:

In article <491F8CD5.D0735E68@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:

Rich Grise <rich@example.net> wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

And that's normally good enough ! Best ignore the change in boiling point
vs atm pressure. ;~)

Best not - even cookbooks account for the difference. It takes longer to
boil and egg in Denver than it does in, say, LA.

If boiling point goes up with reduced atmospheric pressure, then why
does water boil as one approaches a vacuum at room temp?

I expect that's simply liberation of dissolved air.

Graham

Nah. Or at least, not just that. Pull (and hold) sufficient vacuum on a
container with water in it, and the water will indeed boil away at low
temperature. Granted, you'll get any dissolved air out of it during the
process, but that'll only be part of what goes on.
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He is an idiot. The excess air comes out of water LONG before it ever
reaches a vacuum.

It changes phase, DonkTard. Lay terms... that's boiling, idiot, which
it physically does quite violently, until it is all vaporized, and
removed from the chamber (most of it).
 
On 16 Nov 2008 05:27:27 GMT, Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> wrote:

On 2008-11-15, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:32 GMT) it happened Rich Grise
rich@example.net> wrote in <pan.2008.11.15.16.19.23.568473@example.net>:

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.

Not here. I have a CRT display and read news in white-on-black.
Caps have more pixels set, therefore more illuminated CRT pixels
so more energy used.

Bye.
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Is it all black or all white that uses more power on a CRT?

LCD? Plasma?

Subtractive or additive color mixing?
 
Kirjastaan:" Mutta kriitikot korostavat, että se 4,5 tonnin plutoniummäärä
jolla hyötöreakitori Super-Phoenix tullaan lataamaan vastaa yli sata kertaa
Nagasakin pommissa ollutta Plutoniumlatausta. He muistuttavat myös, että
hyötöreaktori saattaa räjähtää kuin ydinpommi ja että sen jäähdyttimenä
käytettävä nestemäinen natrium syttyy tuleen joutuessaan kosketuksiin veden
tai ilman kanssa."

*Nykyään täysin epäonnistunut Ranskalais/Belgialainern ydintoivon
vääjäämättömänä kohtalona on olla katto palasina erään EU:n
ydinosaamattomuuden kaikkein kallein vuosimiljoonien ydinjätteen
muistomerkki täynnä hallitsematonta ydinkauhun tekniikkaa. Mukanaan tämä
ydinalalle tyypillinen megaepäonnistuminen vei toivon mm. ehtymättömän
ydinpolttoaineen illuusioista. Taloudellisia ja terveydellisiä määriä ei
edes uskalleta julkisuuteen laskea.

Ranskan jälleenkäsittelykuningas La Haguen uhkapeli:
Tarkoituksena akujaan käsitellä miltei yksinäänRanskan omien vanhojen
grafiittikaasureaktorien käytettyjä polttoaineita. Joiden radioaktiivisuus
on vain viidennes verrattuna kevytvesaireaktorin jätteen säteilyyn!! HAO
jälleenkäsitteli viimeksi mainittua vain 2-kuukautta 1976. 1977 lopulla
laajennettiin, mutta todettiin heti riittämättömäksi ydintyyliin. Läheinen
Cherbourgin kaupungin valtuusto on ilmoittanut kaikin keinoin vastustavansa
laajentamisia!

*Länsisaksalaisen ydinkriitikon Robert Jungin mukaan La Haguen ympäristö on
sekä maalla, että merellä radioaktiivisesti saastunut. Hän kertoo, että
kriittisten tiedemiesten ryhmä on todennut läheisellä maa-alueella 10-20
kertaa virallisesti sallittuja säteilyarvoja suurempia arvoja. Ranskan
virannomaiset ovat jyrkästi kiistäneet tällaiset faktat, joita myös La
Haugessa käyneet ruotsalaiset lehtimiehet ovat tuoneet julki.

*Toki Saksassa ja Ruotsissa tiedettiin ranskalaisen ydinfarssin olevan
joutsenlaulusaan jo silloin. Nykyään Euroopan kaikki uraani lähetetään
kiltisti jo vuosikausia vähin äänin ja noloina Venäjän Majakin, joka sekin
laitos lopetetaan tänä vuona 2008 Putinin mukaan. Maailmassa ei Englannin
Sellafieldin ydinonnettomuuden jälkeen ole käytännössä toimivaa
jälleenkäsittelylaitosta pian kuin Japanissa. Lisäksi kun viime vuona
jälleenkäsittelevä laserisotoopikoe meni persiilleen aiotun 90% saannon
romahdettua 11% murskalukuun on aiheen käsittely ollut tabu. Kas ydinalalla
ei ole sen enempää energiapositiivista uraanikiloa enää ikinä
käytettäĺvänään. Ei kierrätysuraania, eikä siis enää edes
kierrätysplutoniumiakaan mistään! Mutta kuten alan ideologia on aina ollut
kaikki totuus kielletään vaikka sydän märkänisi.- Ja toden totta kaltaiseni
ydinalan yyberosaajat on niitä aniharvoja jotka faktoja kasvavasti
maailmaamme jalosti jakaa. Joten ollaas hei kuulkaas sielä vaan kuulolla. Ja
kuunnellaan mitä viisauksia myös Antti Vahteralla on meille esittää!!
 
On 2008-11-17, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLever@InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:

Is it all black or all white that uses more power on a CRT?
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On a CRT the illuminated pixels come from (multiple) electrons sent
from the back end of the tube at high speed, dark pixels are where
no electrons are flowing.

LCD?
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LCDs use a kind of optical gate to control the flow of light, dark
pixels and light pixels cost pretty-much the same amount, most of the
energy is used to run the backlight.

Plasma?
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these are like a bunch of tiny neon lamps, they light up when a
current is flowing, dark pixels use less power.

LED displays are like that too.

Subtractive or additive color mixing?
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Until the dark emitting diode is prefected all luminescent displays
will be additive :)
 
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:00:37 +0000, Eeyore wrote:
If boiling point goes up with reduced atmospheric pressure,
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It doesn't. Everybody's known that since fourth grade, except the
incurable idiots.

Thanks,
Rich
 
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:32:03 -0800, Don Bruder wrote:
Nah. Or at least, not just that. Pull (and hold) sufficient vacuum on a
container with water in it, and the water will indeed boil away at low
temperature. Granted, you'll get any dissolved air out of it during the
process, but that'll only be part of what goes on.
Click to expand...
I once saw a demo on Mr. Wizard where they had water freezing and boiling
simultaneously.

Cheers!
Rich
 
In article <28i0i4psuou10if2lgav37kvt00ba7mm63@4ax.com>,
quiasmox@yeeha.com says...>
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:32 GMT) it happened Rich Grise
rich@example.net> wrote in <pan.2008.11.15.16.19.23.568473@example.net>:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:54:15 +0000, Jan Panteltje wrote:

I JUST USED TO HOLD THE SENSOR IN MY HAND AND SET FOR 37.5°C.

Then it's very likely calibrated wrong. With that "calibrated" sensor,
check the temp. under your tongue, or even in your armpit, to see what
I'm talking about. Of course, we all know which kind of thermometer is
most accurate of all medical thermometers, don't we? >:-

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.

It doesn't matter if they're set or reset. If you're perfectly
consistent, you might save kTlog(2) per character-instance, but only
when the messages are erased. So you might as well use all lower-case,
if you're really shiftless.
Click to expand...
it "matters" more than that. lower case letters, numbers, most
punctuation and <sp> all have bit-5 (little-endian) set. the <SP>
is "important" because it exists between words. since it takes
"more" power to change states, a "significant" power savings can be
had by using all lower case.
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:24 -0600, krw wrote:
quiasmox@yeeha.com says...
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:35:30 GMT, Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:32 GMT) it happened Rich Grise

And what's all the shouting about?

I AM GLAD YOU ASKED THAT. SIMPLE:
CAPS HAVE ONE BIT LESS SET, SO IT SAVES ON ENERGY.

It doesn't matter if they're set or reset. If you're perfectly
consistent, you might save kTlog(2) per character-instance, but only
when the messages are erased. So you might as well use all lower-case,
if you're really shiftless.

it "matters" more than that. lower case letters, numbers, most
punctuation and <sp> all have bit-5 (little-endian) set. the <SP> is
"important" because it exists between words. since it takes "more" power
to change states, a "significant" power savings can be had by using all
lower case.
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But seriously, how many angels _can_ dance on the head of a pin? >:->

Thanks!
Rich
--
Flap!
The Pig Bladder from Uranus
 
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:13:28 GMT, in sci.electronics.design The Pig
Bladder from Uranus <pb@example.net> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:24 -0600, krw wrote:
quiasmox@yeeha.com says...

But seriously, how many angels _can_ dance on the head of a pin? >:-

Thanks!
Rich
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There are several answers. It really depends if the angles are
latching or non-latching

http://www.headofapin.net/

martin
 
Martin Griffith wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:13:28 GMT, in sci.electronics.design The Pig
Bladder from Uranus <pb@example.net> wrote:

On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:47:24 -0600, krw wrote:
quiasmox@yeeha.com says...

But seriously, how many angels _can_ dance on the head of a pin? >:-

Thanks!
Rich

There are several answers. It really depends if the angles are
latching or non-latching

WRONG ANSWER!!
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As long as they have matching spin state, they act as one angel
independent of their count.
 
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