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[Gary P. Fiber]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:05:46 -0800, "Sal Video" <dsiv@xis.com> wrote:

Reading that made me resolve never to go back to that place again. As much
as I hate the fact that Best Buy will soon be a monopoly, I'll boycott "the
City".

"BilgeKhan" <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:901b838b-21dc-42bc-b407-8844141982ec@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The company that FIRED 3,400 employees last year -- because they made
too much money(!) -- now wants their former customers to come back!
Like all is forgiven or something.

Can you believe it!

WHY would you or anyone trust a store chain that purposely went
against the American grain that has always encouraged the maxim that
"Hard work and loyalty leads to good pay?"

And yet, after letting 3,400 experienced, loyal people go, Circuit
City gave a bunch of its "executives" MILLION-DOLLAR bonuses to stay
on until the company can right itself amid falling sales and a failing
business plan.

Circuit City belongs in a Third World country that's ruled by
dictators. Like Myanmar, for example.
-------------------

"Circuit City Calls a Rollout"

"CEO Gambling on New Stores"

By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 7, 2008; D01



RICHMOND, Feb. 6 -- Circuit City chief executive Philip Schoonover is
hoping he can make more out of less in the latest attempt to turn
around the big-box chain.

The nation's second-largest consumer electronics retailer plans to
open 50 to 60 stores this coming fiscal year in a new, smaller format
that it calls simply the City. They'll be staffed with Generation Y
employees carrying computer tablets ready to look up stats on any
product in the company. Shelves have been cleared of merchandise with
ho-hum sales to focus on blockbuster sellers. Computers, cameras and
video games are all hooked up and ready for hands-on testing.

The staff recites such mottoes as "Keep it real" and holds twice-daily
rituals of "shameless self-recognition." Employees wear uniforms of
black T-shirts and jeans straight out of Steve Jobs's closet.

The City is a window into the kind of company Circuit City hopes to
become -- as innovative as the genius bar at Apple stores and as
convenient as the drive-through pharmacy at CVS. One day, Schoonover
imagined, Circuit City's tech-help team, Firedog, may even be its
biggest business, with retail on the sidelines.

But such visions remain far from the brutal reality. Once known for
its customer service, Circuit City slashed its workforce by 3,400 last
year and squeezed out $150 million in general expenses. So far this
fiscal year, it has lost more than $300 million, and its stock price
dropped to $3.60 last month, the lowest since the early 1990s and down
from a 52-week high of $22.02.

Investors are getting antsy, and Wall Street has begun wondering
whether the company should put itself on the auction block.

"This proved to be a disastrous cocktail," said Daniel Binder, an
analyst with Jeffries & Co. "The gap with [chief competitor] Best
Buy has widened considerably in every way, and closing it will take
time, if it is even possible at this point."

The rollout of the City -- and its success or failure -- will be a
crucial test of the company's plan to win back shoppers following a
sharp drop in the price of flat-panel TVs during the 2006 holiday
season that eroded its profit margins.

"The television business permanently changed," Schoonover said. "For
us, it meant a real challenge to our business model."

Circuit City acknowledges that the past year has been dismal. But
Schoonover and other top executives say they have also seen glimmers
of hope. Online sales and revenue from Firedog are growing by double
digits. Prototypes of the City stores, which are about 20,000 square
feet, generated as much money as traditional stores of 30,000 square
feet or more, with lower costs and a higher profit percentage.

In an interview Wednesday in a sunny vendor meeting room at
headquarters here, Schoonover said the company stumbled because it
tried to force too much change too quickly.

"I think we had a good plan," he said. "I think it took longer than we
expected."

Schoonover has instituted sweeping reforms following the bloodbath of
2006. One of the most controversial moves was firing of 3,400
employees last year who the retailer determined were paid too much,
while the company awarded retention bonuses to top executives several
months later. The firings depressed morale, and the company was unable
to recover before the crucial holiday shopping season. Schoonover said
yesterday the cuts were necessary to save money.

Meanwhile, Circuit City revamped the way its remaining 40,000 workers
performed their jobs. It introduced new procedures for everything from
pricing merchandise to unloading trucks. Rather than specializing in
one department, the company retrained employees to work in multiple
zones. It slashed $150 million from general expenses through
outsourcing parts of its information technology department and
eliminating layers of bureaucracy, and it expects to save another $200
million next year. It also continued to open stores and began
tinkering with new concepts, such as the City.

The change was overwhelming. The new procedures confused workers who
then failed to sell customers on the accessories and services that
would have helped boost sales. The company also missed key trends,
such as smaller flat-panel TVs, as it focused on operations.

"Frankly, this is just a massive amount of change," Schoonover said.
"In the midst of this, timing, pace, cadence -- that became our
challenge. How much can one company digest?"

Customers have noticed. At the Circuit City in Baileys Crossroads this
week, Luke Wahlgren browsed the store's selection of DVDs. The 19-year-
old from Great Falls shops the retailer about once a month, mainly to
check out new releases in entertainment. But for important purchases,
he said he heads to Best Buy.

He recently searched for speakers for his Jeep, for example. He tried
Circuit City but said the offerings were "sub-par." Wahlgren ended up
buying subwoofers a month ago at Best Buy.

"I prefer Best Buy," he said. "It just seems that Circuit City doesn't
have as many conveniences."

It remains to be seen how long investors will wait for Schoonover's
reforms to take hold. Mark J. Wattles, who owns the private Ultimate
Electronics retail chain and has a 6.5 percent stake in Circuit City,
said he is interested in changing top management at the retailer,
merging it with another company or perhaps even taking control of it
himself, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange
Commission.

Circuit City has rejected two buyout attempts in recent years -- one
by Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helu in 2003 and another from
Boston hedge fund Highfields Capital Management in 2005. Analysts have
begun pointedly asking management about seeking similar "strategic
alternatives."

"People just don't have a lot of patience with them right now," said
Stephen Baker, vice president of industry analysis for consumer
research firm NPD Group. "They really have to find a way to right that
ship as fast as possible."

(Staff researcher Richard S. Drezen contributed to this report.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604422.html


The fired employee part is TRUE. I have a lady friend whose son was

fired last summer because he was paid to much by Circuit City. He was
the lead installer for automotive audio and other equipment. He had
the most experience but Circuit City elected to keep the lessor paid
installers.

Not so much different than what happens at a lot of companies. A
person gets a day from completeing his probationary period and the
company fired him for a new employee who earns much less money.
Most times this practice does come back to bite the company due to
using employee's who are inexperienced.

Gary

 

[AJ]

FYI: Many of these employees were laid off with the ability to excerise
their right to unemployment insurance. Not to condone the actions of the
penny pinchers at CC in Richmond, Virginia.
Sad part is that they actually offered all of them their jobs back, after 6
to 8 months off, at starting base pay and limited benifits, IMHO a total
slap in the face. The personell who have taken their respective positions
are unlearned, underpaid, and nomilally less effecient than many of the
original employees ever were. Those who remained now have the intricint
issue of trying to assist those new employees who are willing to actually
listen and learn, while at the same time trying to fill in for the lack of
initiative and experience of the rest of them.
CC is getting exactly what they pay for, unexperenced and disinterested
employees who, if they wanted to, could make more money working for
McDonalds flippin fat burgers. IMHO
Who suffers in the end, the consumers who still buy products there.
"Gary P. Fiber" <gfiber@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:05:46 -0800, "Sal Video" <dsiv@xis.com> wrote:

Reading that made me resolve never to go back to that place again. As much
as I hate the fact that Best Buy will soon be a monopoly, I'll boycott
"the
City".

"BilgeKhan" <perryneheum@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:901b838b-21dc-42bc-b407-8844141982ec@k2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
The company that FIRED 3,400 employees last year -- because they made
too much money(!) -- now wants their former customers to come back!
Like all is forgiven or something.

Can you believe it!

WHY would you or anyone trust a store chain that purposely went
against the American grain that has always encouraged the maxim that
"Hard work and loyalty leads to good pay?"

And yet, after letting 3,400 experienced, loyal people go, Circuit
City gave a bunch of its "executives" MILLION-DOLLAR bonuses to stay
on until the company can right itself amid falling sales and a failing
business plan.

Circuit City belongs in a Third World country that's ruled by
dictators. Like Myanmar, for example.
-------------------

"Circuit City Calls a Rollout"

"CEO Gambling on New Stores"

By Ylan Q. Mui
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 7, 2008; D01



RICHMOND, Feb. 6 -- Circuit City chief executive Philip Schoonover is
hoping he can make more out of less in the latest attempt to turn
around the big-box chain.

The nation's second-largest consumer electronics retailer plans to
open 50 to 60 stores this coming fiscal year in a new, smaller format
that it calls simply the City. They'll be staffed with Generation Y
employees carrying computer tablets ready to look up stats on any
product in the company. Shelves have been cleared of merchandise with
ho-hum sales to focus on blockbuster sellers. Computers, cameras and
video games are all hooked up and ready for hands-on testing.

The staff recites such mottoes as "Keep it real" and holds twice-daily
rituals of "shameless self-recognition." Employees wear uniforms of
black T-shirts and jeans straight out of Steve Jobs's closet.

The City is a window into the kind of company Circuit City hopes to
become -- as innovative as the genius bar at Apple stores and as
convenient as the drive-through pharmacy at CVS. One day, Schoonover
imagined, Circuit City's tech-help team, Firedog, may even be its
biggest business, with retail on the sidelines.

But such visions remain far from the brutal reality. Once known for
its customer service, Circuit City slashed its workforce by 3,400 last
year and squeezed out $150 million in general expenses. So far this
fiscal year, it has lost more than $300 million, and its stock price
dropped to $3.60 last month, the lowest since the early 1990s and down
from a 52-week high of $22.02.

Investors are getting antsy, and Wall Street has begun wondering
whether the company should put itself on the auction block.

"This proved to be a disastrous cocktail," said Daniel Binder, an
analyst with Jeffries & Co. "The gap with [chief competitor] Best
Buy has widened considerably in every way, and closing it will take
time, if it is even possible at this point."

The rollout of the City -- and its success or failure -- will be a
crucial test of the company's plan to win back shoppers following a
sharp drop in the price of flat-panel TVs during the 2006 holiday
season that eroded its profit margins.

"The television business permanently changed," Schoonover said. "For
us, it meant a real challenge to our business model."

Circuit City acknowledges that the past year has been dismal. But
Schoonover and other top executives say they have also seen glimmers
of hope. Online sales and revenue from Firedog are growing by double
digits. Prototypes of the City stores, which are about 20,000 square
feet, generated as much money as traditional stores of 30,000 square
feet or more, with lower costs and a higher profit percentage.

In an interview Wednesday in a sunny vendor meeting room at
headquarters here, Schoonover said the company stumbled because it
tried to force too much change too quickly.

"I think we had a good plan," he said. "I think it took longer than we
expected."

Schoonover has instituted sweeping reforms following the bloodbath of
2006. One of the most controversial moves was firing of 3,400
employees last year who the retailer determined were paid too much,
while the company awarded retention bonuses to top executives several
months later. The firings depressed morale, and the company was unable
to recover before the crucial holiday shopping season. Schoonover said
yesterday the cuts were necessary to save money.

Meanwhile, Circuit City revamped the way its remaining 40,000 workers
performed their jobs. It introduced new procedures for everything from
pricing merchandise to unloading trucks. Rather than specializing in
one department, the company retrained employees to work in multiple
zones. It slashed $150 million from general expenses through
outsourcing parts of its information technology department and
eliminating layers of bureaucracy, and it expects to save another $200
million next year. It also continued to open stores and began
tinkering with new concepts, such as the City.

The change was overwhelming. The new procedures confused workers who
then failed to sell customers on the accessories and services that
would have helped boost sales. The company also missed key trends,
such as smaller flat-panel TVs, as it focused on operations.

"Frankly, this is just a massive amount of change," Schoonover said.
"In the midst of this, timing, pace, cadence -- that became our
challenge. How much can one company digest?"

Customers have noticed. At the Circuit City in Baileys Crossroads this
week, Luke Wahlgren browsed the store's selection of DVDs. The 19-year-
old from Great Falls shops the retailer about once a month, mainly to
check out new releases in entertainment. But for important purchases,
he said he heads to Best Buy.

He recently searched for speakers for his Jeep, for example. He tried
Circuit City but said the offerings were "sub-par." Wahlgren ended up
buying subwoofers a month ago at Best Buy.

"I prefer Best Buy," he said. "It just seems that Circuit City doesn't
have as many conveniences."

It remains to be seen how long investors will wait for Schoonover's
reforms to take hold. Mark J. Wattles, who owns the private Ultimate
Electronics retail chain and has a 6.5 percent stake in Circuit City,
said he is interested in changing top management at the retailer,
merging it with another company or perhaps even taking control of it
himself, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange
Commission.

Circuit City has rejected two buyout attempts in recent years -- one
by Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim Helu in 2003 and another from
Boston hedge fund Highfields Capital Management in 2005. Analysts have
begun pointedly asking management about seeking similar "strategic
alternatives."

"People just don't have a lot of patience with them right now," said
Stephen Baker, vice president of industry analysis for consumer
research firm NPD Group. "They really have to find a way to right that
ship as fast as possible."

(Staff researcher Richard S. Drezen contributed to this report.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604422.html


The fired employee part is TRUE. I have a lady friend whose son was
fired last summer because he was paid to much by Circuit City. He was
the lead installer for automotive audio and other equipment. He had
the most experience but Circuit City elected to keep the lessor paid
installers.

Not so much different than what happens at a lot of companies. A
person gets a day from completeing his probationary period and the
company fired him for a new employee who earns much less money.
Most times this practice does come back to bite the company due to
using employee's who are inexperienced.

Gary

 

problems@gmail wrote:

Why is the factor of electricity stolen in SA not discussed ?
Are the people stooopid or is it just too un-PC ?

Bob Dubery wrote:

Neither. It's not disregarded, and there are government-paid
advertising campaigns to discourage the practice.

I mean in the context of the current crisis: as a factor/excuse NOW.

The theft of CABLES was advertised-against. And the illegal connections
were condemned mostly in the context of DANGER - continuing the
idea that electricity like water is god-given and not a commodity
subject to economic laws - part of the leftist's human-rights myth.

I've read that in India something like 30% is 'connected
illegally'. What's a good goog-phrase, since it's obviously well
documented in/about India - they don't suffer from
PC-inhibitions.
It would be hard to quantify. I wonder how they quantify the
percentage of illegal connections in India - or any other country. By
definition it can't be metered. They might come up with a reasonable
ball park number of connections, but that's not usage. It's always in
the nature of these things that users do not consume proportionally.

The quote marks mean THINK beyond the abreviated [inet-style] text.

In long-hand: "30% of generated electricy power [less transmission
losses] is estimated to be diverted to illegal connections".
Besides the 'Subject:' refers to percentage electricity stolen, NOT
percentage illegal connections.

Oh.. and what is a "goog-phrase"?

Google is the name of a [currently] very effective search engine.

In order to use google, one needs to supply parameters: typically
word or phrases.
In the case that an applicable but uncommon word is on hand,
this may be effectively used as a search parameter.
When no suitable word are on hand, a phrase might succeed
to locate the required material, at the same time omitting
irrelevant material.
Since Google is an uncommon word and has become familiar with
inet/newsGroup users, I assume the word "goog" will be recognised
as an abreviated for "Google" ..................

Some one tried to make me believe the following story:
Phinias Chipekwe took his new TV back to the supplier for
repair, telling that it went on & off by itself.

When Phinias returned to collect the repaired set, he was told
that a thorough long time test has found nothing wrong.

When Phinias got his TV home it still was defective.
He managed to get some one from the repair-shop
to witness the problem: it was switching off according to
the nearby traffic lights.
I say that's bollocks. Because traffic lights CHANGE, they don't
switch off. You know... green goes out, red comes on. It's not a
difficult thing to grasp.

"green goes out" sounds like "switch off" to me ?

Perhaps you think the switching mechanism is in each pole with the
lights. Technology would make this possible/and-cheaper today.
But the indusrty is very conservative.

Since there is typically more than one 'pole' bearing lights at an
intersection, this 'system of poles' needs to be mutually syncronised.
Which means one controlling master and one or more controlled
slaves. Which means that at least one light-pole is remote from the
switching mechanism. Which means that any wire feeding a slave
pole which is live at some time can be expected to be non-live at
a different time of the cycle. Which would switch of Phinias' TV.

Technically a control signal, plus a constantly live single pair to power,
a pole is possible, and is more economical with the price ratio of
copper to electronic circuitry. But many/most existing systems
don't do this yet AFAIK.

I know there are za.politics readers who 'can't connect the dots'.
Ask some one to explain it to you.
I'm sure you can make recommendations. I'd wager that you have to have
things explained to you quite frequently.

BTW do new TV's 'show' in less time than a traffic-light-cycle ?
Well first you have to assume that a "traffic-light cycle" is a
uniform measure of time. Or you have to be trying to impress people
with your ready wit. And failing.

There's a thing which I need to have explained to me:
how/why: 'you have to assume that a "traffic-light cycle" is a
uniform measure of time' ??

BTW "do new TV's 'show' " translates/expands to:
* the new technology [possibly faster],
* stabilise electrically/optically sufficient to show the image.

Older CRTs [cathode ray tubes] would not have sufficient time to
heat up the cathode element in a normal [take your pick: red,
green, amber on cycle ...]. Oh shit I can't continue these
kindergarten explanations !


problems@gmail wrote:

Why is the factor of electricity stolen in SA not discussed ?
Are the people stooopid or is it just too un-PC ?

Moira de Swardt wrote:-

Well, at least one of "the people" appears to be "stooopid".

Here, let me explain it to you.

The power supply to traffic lights is constant.
Perhaps you mean that if the green light 'goes off' this is compensated

for by the corresponding red light 'going on', which tend to make the
electricity consumption constant. Which seems to me an interesting
observation but not relevant to the discussion ?

The different
coloured lights are controlled by switches. So it's not a case of the
green light power supply going off and the red light power supply
coming on.

I believe it is, but please elaborate.

In fact the traffic light switches are even cleverer than
simple switches. They have synchronised switches! When the lights in
one direction change the lights in the other direction also change,
but to the opposite pattern. And then there are yellow lights,
flashing arrows etc. But it's all too complex to explain to someone
who can't even work out how to steal electricity from the nearest sub-
station, something Phinias mastered years ago.

The nearest street light would be nearer [on average] than the nearest
traffic-light-pole, which would be nearer than the nearest substation.

Based on observations in Joburg, many light-pole cover plates are
missing, exposing the wires since the ANC was given political control.
I guess the street light poles are mostly centrally controlled, although
I've heard of one's which switch individually via their own day-light
detectors.

So ! If Phinias wants electricy supply during the day, he has problems
to locate a mostly live line. Perhaps he's at a low traffic location,
where the default is steady and cycling is initiatied by [rare] traffic.

I'm cross-posting this to to some tech-groups to spread the laughter.

== Chris Glur. .....be happy, don't worry.

 

[Beachcomber]

Why is the factor of electricity stolen in SA not discussed ?
Are the people stooopid or is it just too un-PC ?

An interesting story concerning electricity theft was posted in the
New York Times today (2/10).

A spokesman for Consolidated Edison said... "Of those 88942 cases,
11371 were confirmed as thefts, including 104 referred for
prosecution. There were 83 arrests and convictions."

11371 cases of confirmed electricity thefts in just one company
service area?! My God! There must be electrical thieves in every
neighborhood. Is it really that easy to do?

I could see this happening in 3rd world places like parts of Mexico or
India where sometimes the utility wiring is slipshod, even on the
primary side, but why is this happening in places like New York City
and Long Island?

Also, it sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. If you are a renter
or an owner who does something illegal like this on your property, the
evidence is going to be left there for the investigators. It's not
like you can run away and abandon your property...

Beachcomber

 

In article <47afd14f.1626203@news.verizon.net>, invalid@notreal.none (Beachcomber) wrote:

Why is the factor of electricity stolen in SA not discussed ?
Are the people stooopid or is it just too un-PC ?


An interesting story concerning electricity theft was posted in the
New York Times today (2/10).

So that means it's not taboo [politically incorrect with racial

implications] to discuss it there ? I know that it's regularly mentioned
as a factor impeding India's industrialisation.

A spokesman for Consolidated Edison said... "Of those 88942 cases,
11371 were confirmed as thefts, including 104 referred for
prosecution. There were 83 arrests and convictions."

11371 cases of confirmed electricity thefts in just one company
service area?! My God! There must be electrical thieves in every
neighborhood. Is it really that easy to do?

I could see this happening in 3rd world places like parts of Mexico or
India where sometimes the utility wiring is slipshod, even on the
primary side, but why is this happening in places like New York City
and Long Island?

Also, it sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. If you are a renter
or an owner who does something illegal like this on your property, the
evidence is going to be left there for the investigators. It's not
like you can run away and abandon your property...

Not so, they tap-in 'before' their meter, or fiddle the meter.

And re. abandoning buildings, but not for electricity supply reasons,
we know that large areas of NY were abanoned in the 70's.
Since also many buidings were abandoned here in new-SA, after
the ANC was handed power and encouraged their supporters to
squat; I tried to get information of how it eventually 'unfolded'
in NY. One could learn from those who 'walk ahead'. But I could
never get any information from NYkers. It's like when I visited
Russsia in 1998, they all pretended not to know about communism
and implied that it was just my imagination.

> Beachcomber

 

In alt.engineering.electrical Beachcomber <invalid@notreal.none> wrote:

| 11371 cases of confirmed electricity thefts in just one company
| service area?! My God! There must be electrical thieves in every
| neighborhood. Is it really that easy to do?
|
| I could see this happening in 3rd world places like parts of Mexico or
| India where sometimes the utility wiring is slipshod, even on the
| primary side, but why is this happening in places like New York City
| and Long Island?

It's not necessarily just running your own wires up the pole. It can be
simply bypassing the meter, or rigging it for reduced billing in the hope
that the computer doesn't kick out a zero billing.


| Also, it sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. If you are a renter
| or an owner who does something illegal like this on your property, the
| evidence is going to be left there for the investigators. It's not
| like you can run away and abandon your property...

In some cases it can be rent squatters. People break into a unit that is
unoccupied. Then they connect up the electricity, too.

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[krw]

In article <47afd14f.1626203@news.verizon.net>, invalid@notreal.none
says...

Why is the factor of electricity stolen in SA not discussed ?
Are the people stooopid or is it just too un-PC ?


An interesting story concerning electricity theft was posted in the
New York Times today (2/10).

A spokesman for Consolidated Edison said... "Of those 88942 cases,
11371 were confirmed as thefts, including 104 referred for
prosecution. There were 83 arrests and convictions."

11371 cases of confirmed electricity thefts in just one company
service area?! My God! There must be electrical thieves in every
neighborhood. Is it really that easy to do?

Sure. Give me an hour in the basement of a tenement building... I
might even do it safely.

I could see this happening in 3rd world places like parts of Mexico or
India where sometimes the utility wiring is slipshod, even on the
primary side, but why is this happening in places like New York City
and Long Island?

Because free is "good"?

Also, it sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. If you are a renter
or an owner who does something illegal like this on your property, the
evidence is going to be left there for the investigators. It's not
like you can run away and abandon your property...

Run the odds from the above numbers. 83 prosecutions out of 88,000
cases means there is less than a .1% chance of being prosecuted.
Sure beats holding up a gas station for $40, or even a bank for
$4000.

--
Keith

 

[Daveolla]

On Nov 30, 10:35 am, ba...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Gaetan Mailloux)
wrote:

Hello

I have a Radio-Shack (Tandy) 22-175b digital multimeter.

Wen I use it to measure capacitors it do not do it's 0 before measuring,
even without any wires plug to it there is alway a .1 nf reading, there is
only two trimpots on the pc board, how can we reajust to have 0 ?

Any body would have the schematic diagram for that meter ?

Thank

Bye

Gaetan

Greetings, 22-175b Press and hold untill it beeps the "Hold/Relative"
button. The meter will zero out testleads.

Also the old Dataprecision 938 cap meter has .1% basic accuracy + 1
digit + .5pF .1pF to 1,999uF also has ten turn 0 adj pot . Beats the
specs off the B+k 830!!
Dave

 

[Jean-Yves]

In article
<e2b39746-56eb-4b83-82f9-855ba1839acb@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
logicgeek <logic.analyzer@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi

I'm considering to purchase a pc based logic analyzer. After a bit of
shopping around I narrowed down my options to either the Logicport
from Intronix or the Annie-USB from Janatek, maybe even their Logic-16
as well.

Before I make the final decision, is there anyone of you that owns any
of these instruments?
The obvious reason for the logicport is the fact that it costs only U
$389 for 32 channels and 500Mhz sampling rate. I have however read
this little faq article on janatek's website on how to
evaluate(compare) between various logic analyzers and I'm having
doubts of buying a logicport. The Annie-USB although a tad more
expensive seems to be a really good quality instrument. Any of you
having thoughts on this.

Luckily the need is not pressing so I have a couple of days.

8 channels is too low for a logic analyzer
16 is a minimum
34 is far enought

you must count $500 for a complete logic port with some grabbers...!

I never heard of this annie-usb before...
but saw a lot of people around here happy with their logicport

so...make your choice !

--
Jean-Yves.

 

[Robert Lacoste]

"logicgeek" <logic.analyzer@yahoo.co.uk> a écrit dans le message de news:
9591c2c7-93e1-4bbf-bd75-35bcfcfade68@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 14, 5:24 pm, Jean-Yves <no-pub-for-jypoc...@free.fr> wrote:

In article
e2b39746-56eb-4b83-82f9-855ba1839...@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,





logicgeek <logic.analy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi

I'm considering to purchase a pc based logic analyzer. After a bit of
shopping around I narrowed down my options to either the Logicport
from Intronix or the Annie-USB from Janatek, maybe even their Logic-16
as well.

Before I make the final decision, is there anyone of you that owns any
of these instruments?
The obvious reason for the logicport is the fact that it costs only U
$389 for 32 channels and 500Mhz sampling rate. I have however read
this little faq article on janatek's website on how to
evaluate(compare) between various logic analyzers and I'm having
doubts of buying a logicport. The Annie-USB although a tad more
expensive seems to be a really good quality instrument. Any of you
having thoughts on this.

Luckily the need is not pressing so I have a couple of days.

8 channels is too low for a logic analyzer
16 is a minimum
34 is far enought

My only concern thou is that it sports only 8-
channels. However they have a nice little article on their website
about evaluating logic analyzers and I must say that I agree with this
rticle in that I will rather buy 8 'good channels' with sufficient
buffer depth than 32 channels and anyway not be able to use them all.
(snip)

I fully agree with Jean-Yves, 8 channels is definitively not enough for a
logic analyzer. Put it this way : If you need only 8 channels then very
probably a decent 4-channels scope will be enough, and you will use such
scope far more often than your logic analyzer. However if you have a REAL
problem that actually needs a logic analyzer then you will need at leat
20-30 channels. Just thinking at the tasks for which we have switched on our
TLA704 in the past 2 or 3 years we always used more than 8 channels. Even
for the last use (debugging of a GPIB interface) we needed 8 channels for
data plus 8 channels of control lines.
Cheers,
Robert
www.alciom.com

 

[Jean-Yves]

In article
<9591c2c7-93e1-4bbf-bd75-35bcfcfade68@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
logicgeek <logic.analyzer@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

8 channels is too low for a logic analyzer
16 is a minimum
34 is far enought

you must count $500 for a complete logic port with some grabbers...!

I never heard of this annie-usb before...
but saw a lot of people around here happy with their logicport

so...make your choice !

--
Jean-Yves.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What I like about the Annie-USB is that it comes complete with SMD
grabber clips that optionally would cost some extra money.
If you have the time go to www.janatek.com/annie-usb main.htm. It
retails just below $500..My only concern thou is that it sports only 8-
channels. However they have a nice little article on their website
about evaluating logic analyzers and I must say that I agree with this
article in that I will rather buy 8 'good channels' with sufficient
buffer depth than 32 channels and anyway not be able to use them all.

The faq article is at: http://www.janatek.com/faq buying logic analyzer.html#6

I've talked to some people and most of them said that I should opt for
sufficient buffer depth. What is the feedback of those happy okes
using logicport?

the logicport has a compression algorythm so that he can record days of
datas. it only records when the data changes.
the annie usb record also when the data dont change which is a waste of
buffer...
and definitely 8 channels is not enought

the logicport with 34 grabbers (and channels) is around $500

the sufficient buffer depth is to compare with old logic analyzers that
had only some ko of memory and that are unusable today.
the logicport has enought.

--
Jean-Yves.

 

[Jean-Yves]

In article
<9591c2c7-93e1-4bbf-bd75-35bcfcfade68@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
logicgeek <logic.analyzer@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

8 channels is too low for a logic analyzer
16 is a minimum
34 is far enought

you must count $500 for a complete logic port with some grabbers...!

I never heard of this annie-usb before...
but saw a lot of people around here happy with their logicport

so...make your choice !

--
Jean-Yves.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What I like about the Annie-USB is that it comes complete with SMD
grabber clips that optionally would cost some extra money.
If you have the time go to www.janatek.com/annie-usb main.htm. It
retails just below $500..My only concern thou is that it sports only 8-
channels. However they have a nice little article on their website
about evaluating logic analyzers and I must say that I agree with this
article in that I will rather buy 8 'good channels' with sufficient
buffer depth than 32 channels and anyway not be able to use them all.

The faq article is at: http://www.janatek.com/faq buying logic analyzer.html#6

I've talked to some people and most of them said that I should opt for
sufficient buffer depth. What is the feedback of those happy okes
using logicport?

the logicport has a compression algorythm so that he can record days of
datas. it only records when the data changes.
the annie usb record also when the data dont change which is a waste of
buffer...
and definitely 8 channels is not enought

the logicport with 34 grabbers (and channels) is around $500

the sufficient buffer depth is to compare with old logic analyzers that
had only some ko of memory and that are unusable today.
the logicport has enought.

--
Jean-Yves.

 

[Mike S.]

In article <S6MLj.68$LB3.47@fe097.usenetserver.com>,
tenplay <tenplay@mail.com> wrote:

I own an old Eveready #QCC4 battery recharger. The indicator lights
work with all batteries except for 9v's. On the lid, the directions say
to look at the manual for the case with 9v's. I cannot find the
directions and the Eveready website does not offer any for my recharger.

I once had a charger like this; while the AA/AAA cells were inserted
horizontally into wells, the 9V battery went standing on its top, plugged
into a connector sitting in between the AA/AAA wells. The indicator light
didn't work either. As I recall, the design was such that the 9V charging
circuit was pretty much an afterthought, and entirely separate from the
main circuit that charged the 1.2V cylindrical cells.

 

[Mike S.]

In article <S6MLj.68$LB3.47@fe097.usenetserver.com>,
tenplay <tenplay@mail.com> wrote:

I own an old Eveready #QCC4 battery recharger. The indicator lights
work with all batteries except for 9v's. On the lid, the directions say
to look at the manual for the case with 9v's. I cannot find the
directions and the Eveready website does not offer any for my recharger.

I once had a charger like this; while the AA/AAA cells were inserted
horizontally into wells, the 9V battery went standing on its top, plugged
into a connector sitting in between the AA/AAA wells. The indicator light
didn't work either. As I recall, the design was such that the 9V charging
circuit was pretty much an afterthought, and entirely separate from the
main circuit that charged the 1.2V cylindrical cells.

 

[Pierre-François]

Hi,

I just sent you a direct email.

pf


"sperelat" <sperelat@hanmail.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
f1126833-d812-4396-a402-3b81fc731543@w1g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

I bought GPIB-USB controller from prologix recently.
I'm trying to download data from TDS540 a scope of Tektronix,but
writing
program only with programmer manual is too difficult.
It's my first time to write GPIB program.
Isn't there any example program for this kind of work?

TDS 540a provide example basic and C source,but I couldn't get them
because this is used equipment.

 

[bg]

Tony Miklos wrote in message <67p4n7F2pu0gcU1@mid.individual.net>...

Not sure if I have the proper group, but I'll give this a shot.

I now use an outdoor antenna. Some channels come in perfect and some
not too great and some really bad. Will the DAC (digital to analog
converter) make poor signals come in better, worse, or the same?

When cell phones went digital it was said that calls will come in
clearer, but they will also give less warning when in an area with poor
reception, they basically go from good to dead.

Thanks,
Tony

I just put in a Digital Stream brand converter box. Before switching I had a
good to excellent picture on just about all of my channels. One exception,
was that ch4 was ghosted out beyond all hope. With the converter box, ch4
comes in great. With the analog, a weak signal is still acceptable if you
don't mind the noise in the picture , but with the digital a weak signal
will cause pixelation and loss of audio. You either get a watchable picture
or you don't, there isn't a gradual degradation in picture quality like with
analog. I ended up tweaking the antenna a bit for a better compramise. One
thing I've noticed is that the audio seems to have a really bad volume shift
on all channels. It's like someone at the studio is constantly changing
levels. I don't know if this is due to the nature of the digital broadcast
or the converter box.

 

[bg]

Tony Miklos wrote in message <67p4n7F2pu0gcU1@mid.individual.net>...

Not sure if I have the proper group, but I'll give this a shot.

I now use an outdoor antenna. Some channels come in perfect and some
not too great and some really bad. Will the DAC (digital to analog
converter) make poor signals come in better, worse, or the same?

When cell phones went digital it was said that calls will come in
clearer, but they will also give less warning when in an area with poor
reception, they basically go from good to dead.

Thanks,
Tony

I just put in a Digital Stream brand converter box. Before switching I had a
good to excellent picture on just about all of my channels. One exception,
was that ch4 was ghosted out beyond all hope. With the converter box, ch4
comes in great. With the analog, a weak signal is still acceptable if you
don't mind the noise in the picture , but with the digital a weak signal
will cause pixelation and loss of audio. You either get a watchable picture
or you don't, there isn't a gradual degradation in picture quality like with
analog. I ended up tweaking the antenna a bit for a better compramise. One
thing I've noticed is that the audio seems to have a really bad volume shift
on all channels. It's like someone at the studio is constantly changing
levels. I don't know if this is due to the nature of the digital broadcast
or the converter box.

 

[Jim Yanik]

Tony Miklos <tonymiklos@planetc.com> wrote in
news:67ra4bF2q5oaiU1@mid.individual.net:

Eeyore wrote:

Tony Miklos wrote:

Not sure if I have the proper group, but I'll give this a shot.

I now use an outdoor antenna. Some channels come in perfect and
some not too great and some really bad. Will the DAC (digital to
analog converter) make poor signals come in better, worse, or the
same?

The DAC itself isn't the issue, the issues are signal strength and
receiver performance.

I got my old electronics a bit mixed up. I remember now on some old
(video game) monitors only the 1 IC was referred to as a "DAC". I
wrote the question as if you would call the entire converter box a
"DAC".



When cell phones went digital it was said that calls will come in
clearer, but they will also give less warning when in an area with
poor reception, they basically go from good to dead.

This is inherent with digital media, they're mostly fine until they
stop working totally. Digital doesn't do gradual and graceful
degradation.

Thanks. Now to find the best one on the market. I'll probably wait a
while.

Thanks,
Tony

your $40 coupons are only good for a limited time.
the DTV converter everybody is waiting for is the Echostar TR-40,due out in
June or July,last I heard.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

[Jean-Yves]

In article
<6ba3d018-abcb-4f14-a4a9-aee281709814@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
eletlabs@gmail.com wrote:

What is everyone's favorite 'scope probes? We've gone through a
handfull of Oldacker & Cal Test probes, both keep getting intermittent
connections with the coax cable where it is crimped. Anyone had
better luck with better brands?

We've looked at Tek's probes, but it seems the actual tip isn't
replaceble (not the hook tip, I know you can get those).

We don't need anything over around 100MHz, X1/X10 switchable is
preferred.

Thoughts?
Steve

I bought nice 100mhz tek probes on ebay. they are switchable x1 x10
and I found them nice.
here is their web site
http://www.aidetech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&C
ategory_Code=Probes

they also sell on ebay.

--
Jean-Yves.