Mass Starvation Looming On The Horizon...

[Jeroen Belleman]

On 2022-08-02 17:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.
You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
we have it in our cells to be young too.

Heaven forbid. We\'re far too numerous already.

Jeroen Belleman

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:47:09 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

On 2022-08-02 17:39, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 08:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of ‘heatflation’ looms large as climate change shrinks farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood

Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived.
You will be short-lived. Earth and humanity will do fine.

In biblical times, people routinely lived 900 years. Look it up.

Some day people will live hundreds of years. Our babies are young, so
we have it in our cells to be young too.


Heaven forbid. We\'re far too numerous already.

Jeroen Belleman

Birth rates fall below replcement as countries develop. By the time
you are 200, you\'ll likely be tired of having more brats.

We\'ll probably peak a bit over 8 billion and then slowly decline.

 

[rbowman]

On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:

On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be *climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
<da608dbf-e0b7-44e2-ad86-7977b9b71eadn@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in
about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn\'t recycled, and oceans
of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle
of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot
of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That\'s a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
from farm country aren\'t suitable for farm work, they\'re just future premature
deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
country is horrendous.


There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
mismanagement of resources and climate change.


Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
you insane.

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
and want to kill them all it seems.
They think climate change is human made.
However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milankovitch cycles
If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
and his polar bear club...
What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
(hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
after that we\'d have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship

 

[Don Y]

On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:

On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be *climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

<https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms>

\"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
of farms and 12% of production.\"

 

[server]

Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in news:tcbldl$1k6eq$2
@dont-email.me:

> There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

You are a goddamned idiot. Period.

 

[server]

Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote in
news:tcbll5$1k85j$1@dont-email.me:

On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely
be losing the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be
*climate* to blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a
family.

https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-fa
rms

\"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they
operate almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of
production. Midsize and large-scale family farms account for
about 66% of production; and non-family farms represent the
remaining 2.1% of farms and 12% of production.\"

Except for those that Trump\'s retarded trade war with China caused
to fail.

 

[a a]

On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 19:03:55 UTC+2, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in
about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn\'t recycled, and oceans
of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle
of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot
of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That\'s a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
from farm country aren\'t suitable for farm work, they\'re just future premature
deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
country is horrendous.


There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
mismanagement of resources and climate change.


Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
you insane.
There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
and want to kill them all it seems.
They think climate change is human made.
However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milankovitch cycles
If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
and his polar bear club...
What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
(hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
after that we\'d have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship

1-year Short-Term Climate Changes
are due to fluctuations in solar activity,
called coronary mass ejections (CME)

Coronal Mass Ejections

Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) are large expulsions of plasma and magnetic field from the Sun’s corona. They can eject billions of tons of coronal material and carry an embedded magnetic field (frozen in flux) that is stronger than the background solar wind interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength. CMEs travel outward from the Sun at speeds ranging from slower than 250 kilometers per second (km/s) to as fast as near 3000 km/s. The fastest Earth-directed CMEs can reach our planet in as little as 15-18 hours. Slower CMEs can take several days to arrive. They expand in size as they propagate away from the Sun and larger CMEs can reach a size comprising nearly a quarter of the space between Earth and the Sun by the time it reaches our planet.

The more explosive CMEs generally begin when highly twisted magnetic field structures (flux ropes) contained in the Sun’s lower corona become too stressed and realign into a less tense configuration – a process called magnetic reconnection. This can result in the sudden release of electromagnetic energy in the form of a solar flare; which typically accompanies the explosive acceleration of plasma away from the Sun – the CME. These types of CMEs usually take place from areas of the Sun with localized fields of strong and stressed magnetic flux; such as active regions associated with sunspot groups. CMEs can also occur from locations where relatively cool and denser plasma is trapped and suspended by magnetic flux extending up to the inner corona - filaments and prominences. When these flux ropes reconfigure, the denser filament or prominence can collapse back to the solar surface and be quietly reabsorbed, or a CME may result. CMEs travelling faster than the background solar wind speed can generate a shock wave. These shock waves can accelerate charged particles ahead of them – causing increased radiation storm potential or intensity.

Important CME parameters used in analysis are size, speed, and direction. These properties are inferred from orbital satellites’ coronagraph imagery by SWPC forecasters to determine any Earth-impact likelihood. The NASA Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO) carries a coronagraph – known as the Large Angle and Spectrometric Coronagraph (LASCO). This instrument has two ranges for optical imaging of the Sun’s corona: C2 (covers distance range of 1.5 to 6 solar radii) and C3 (range of 3 to 32 solar radii). The LASCO instrument is currently the primary means used by forecasters to analyze and categorize CMEs; however another coronagraph is on the NASA STEREO-A spacecraft as an additional source.

Imminent CME arrival is first observed by the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR) satellite, located at the L1 orbital area. Sudden increases in density, total interplanetary magnetic field (IMF) strength, and solar wind speed at the DSCOVR spacecraft indicate arrival of the CME-associated interplanetary shock ahead of the magnetic cloud. This can often provide 15 to 60 minutes advanced warning of shock arrival at Earth – and any possible sudden impulse or sudden storm commencement; as registered by Earth-based magnetometers.

Important aspects of an arriving CME and its likelihood for causing more intense geomagnetic storming include the strength and direction of the IMF beginning with shock arrival, followed by arrival and passage of the plasma cloud and frozen-in-flux magnetic field. More intense levels of geomagnetic storming are favored when the CME enhanced IMF becomes more pronounced and prolonged in a south-directed orientation. Some CMEs show predominantly one direction of the magnetic field during its passage, while most exhibit changing field directions as the CME passes over Earth. Generally, CMEs that impact Earth’s magnetosphere will at some point have an IMF orientation that favors generation of geomagnetic storming. Geomagnetic storms are classified using a five-level NOAA Space Weather Scale. SWPC forecasters discuss analysis and geomagnetic storm potential of CMEs in the forecast discussion and predict levels of geomagnetic storming in the 3-day forecast.

*Images courtesy of NASA and the SOHO and STEREO missions
Tags:
phenomenon
Earth Sun Relationship:
near_sun


https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/phenomena/coronal-mass-ejections

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
da608dbf-e0b7-44e2-ad86-7977b9b71eadn@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in
about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn\'t recycled, and oceans
of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle
of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot
of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That\'s a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
from farm country aren\'t suitable for farm work, they\'re just future premature
deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
country is horrendous.


There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
mismanagement of resources and climate change.


Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
you insane.

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:03:55 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in
about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn\'t recycled, and oceans
of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle
of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot
of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That\'s a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
from farm country aren\'t suitable for farm work, they\'re just future premature
deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
country is horrendous.


There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
mismanagement of resources and climate change.


Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
you insane.
There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that
and want to kill them all it seems.
They think climate change is human made.
However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milankovitch cycles
If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.
So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore
and his polar bear club...
What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses
(hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible,
after that we\'d have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship

Those crazy sun cycles are way long cycles and we\'re not near any of them. The eccentricity of our current orbit is a fraction of a percent (IIRC) of what those worst case cycles allow, and as of now the distance from sun to earth varies by less than 3 million miles summer to winter. The MUCH MUCH stronger effect is the Earth tilting on its axis.
Like it or not the most significant influence that\'s warming the Earth and pushing the climate to a state of uninhabitability by mankind is excessive greenhouse gas emissions. You can\'t possibly dispute the Earth\'s energy imbalance- that\'s a pretty simple concept to understand- it was very difficult to measure but they finally did it with space based instrumentation. The imbalance will cause the planet to heat to enough of a temperature differential for the heat to escape despite the impedance of atmospheric absorption by the greenhouse gases, a new equilibrium that won\'t be reached if they keep adding more greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
There are too many people, nature is being overdrawn, it is a collective suicide whether there is global warming or not.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:14:53 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:

<snipped jackass>

You already have NASA telling you this sun eruption activity does not effect Earth\'s warming. But you keep linking to it like it does. You\'re an idiot from hell.

 

[Joe Gwinn]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 10:47:53 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
da608dbf-e0b7-44e2-ad86-7977b9b71eadn@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in
about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn\'t recycled, and oceans
of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle
of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot
of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That\'s a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
from farm country aren\'t suitable for farm work, they\'re just future premature
deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
country is horrendous.


There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
mismanagement of resources and climate change.


Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
you insane.

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

On a related issue, after this or that revolt somewhere, I would ask
my young friends what would it take to get their fathers to take the
rifle down from the living room mantle piece and go into the streets
to fight. Stunned silence.

But they would allow that being unable to live and feed their family
would certainly do it.

Joe Gwinn

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:48:03 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

First food prices start to rise, then become unaffordable for most, then
finally food is just plain inaccessible- shelves are all empty. It should be
obvious how this is going to play out.

Threat of =E2=80=98heatflation=E2=80=99 looms large as climate change shrinks
farm and seafood output, experts say

https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3186994/threat-heatflation-looms-large-climate-change-shrinks-farm-and-seafood


Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no weathering this
one.
The main food problem in the USA is obesity.

Crop yields and food production continue to increase; look it up.

Those so-called yields are artificial and will be short-lived. The agricultural
industry is using vast amounts of herbicide (glyphosate) in combination
with GMO crops, over application of fertilizer ( which will be depleted in
about 15 years), tons of so-called systemic pesticide seed and spray treatments,
surprisingly huge amounts of plastic that isn\'t recycled, and oceans
of water use. There are many, many more dangerous downsides to this miracle
of modern agriculture, which is a totally fake claim. Every one of those
is an unsustainable destruction of the environment as well as killing a lot
of people. Climate change is exacerbating the necessity of these bad practices
because of insect pestilence, amplification of competing weed growth,
drought, floods, and hellishly high temperatures which drive crop transpiration
to the breaking point.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/glyphosate-roundup-urine-samples-bayer-monsanto-weed-killing-chemical/



Birth rates in developed countries are down. Farm automation is
replacing all those kids who move to cities and work for google.

That\'s a really wacky view of farm life and kids. Most of those so-called kids
from farm country aren\'t suitable for farm work, they\'re just future premature
deaths from drug abuse. The drug abuse problem in rural areas of this
country is horrendous.


There are places in the world where people are starving. Their problem
is bad politics, not climate change.

Not even close to reality! Their problem is overpopulation in combination with
mismanagement of resources and climate change.


Climate change is greening the
planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making
you insane.

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

Depends. It doesn\'t happen in places like Cuba and Venezuela.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:

On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be *climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms

\"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
of farms and 12% of production.\"

That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don\'t mention is that a lot of these small farms can\'t support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they\'re not mentioning is there\'s a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.

 

[a a]

On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be *climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms

\"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
of farms and 12% of production.\"
That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don\'t mention is that a lot of these small farms can\'t support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they\'re not mentioning is there\'s a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.

Large farms are managed like every industry branch

Profit, profit, profit
credit, credit, credit

So small, family owned farms should be donated.

Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
turning small farmers into farm workers

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:

On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be *climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.
https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms

\"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
of farms and 12% of production.\"
That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don\'t mention is that a lot of these small farms can\'t support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they\'re not mentioning is there\'s a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.

That\'s a bunch of ignorant bull. Those small farms could be doing anything to the crops because they\'re not government monitored/inspected like the big operations...

Large farms are managed like every industry branch

Profit, profit, profit
credit, credit, credit

So small, family owned farms should be donated.

Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
turning small farmers into farm workers

LOL- Bayer is buying up farmland???

 

[server]

John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote in
news:gooiehdbomo8pdf48sa5ftr9ufc0ifqm10@4ax.com:

About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

You must need a math course.

There are nearly 8 billion folks here. Only about 7 billion get fed
every day. That hardly makes your statement valid in any way.

 

[a a]

On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:55:56 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 4:49:56 PM UTC-4, a a wrote:
On Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 22:18:29 UTC+2, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 1:07:56 PM UTC-4, Don Y wrote:
On 8/2/2022 9:56 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be *climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family..
https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2020/01/23/look-americas-family-farms

\"Our research found that family farms remain a key part of U.S.
agriculture, making up 98% of all farms and providing 88% of
production. Most farms are small family farms, and they operate
almost half of U.S. farm land, while generating 21% of production.
Midsize and large-scale family farms account for about 66% of
production; and non-family farms represent the remaining 2.1%
of farms and 12% of production.\"
That tells you right there the big farms are way more productive than the mom and pop farms. One reason is the caliber of farm management. Another thing they don\'t mention is that a lot of these small farms can\'t support themselves with the farm so at least one of the owners works a full time job elsewhere in addition to their farming- that sort of makes the farming a part time thing. Another thing they\'re not mentioning is there\'s a lot fraud in farming. There are a lot of no goods who register as agricultural for purposes of tax breaks, subsidies, and getting paid NOT TO GROW anything. Then there are a bunch of government subsidized crop insurance scams going.. Nothing beats insuring a bottom land crop near a river and having a flood wipe it all out. You get paid on some per acre yield of the crop without having to lift a finger.
Food from small, family farms is healthier because it contains fewer highly toxic, cancerogenic chemicals.
That\'s a bunch of ignorant bull. Those small farms could be doing anything to the crops because they\'re not government monitored/inspected like the big operations...

Large farms are managed like every industry branch

Profit, profit, profit
credit, credit, credit

So small, family owned farms should be donated.

Otherwise, businesses like Monsanto, Bayer take control over large parts of farming land in USA, India, Africa,
turning small farmers into farm workers
LOL- Bayer is buying up farmland???

Farmland is controlled by money
Money is controlled by BIG Pharma

Smart humans buy farm products from small, family operated farms to live longer.

Are you a kid ?

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

There aren\'t.

Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something like that and want to kill them all it seems.

The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the soil and the ground-water in the area

https://www.soilassociation.org/causes-campaigns/fixing-nitrogen-the-challenge-for-climate-nature-and-health/the-impacts-of-nitrogen-pollution/

> They think climate change is human made.

They are right.

However climate change is caused by earth orbit variations, neatly described here:
http://old.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm
Milankovitch cycles
If you do a google for those cyclic temperature changes you see that at times CO2 lagged the warm periods.

But we shouldn\'t be seeing it now. We are already in an interglacial and the tiny Milankovitch effects should be pushing us towards a new ice age. Dumping lots of CO2 into the atmosphere can help get you out of an ice age (where atmospheric CO2 levels sit around 180 ppm) to an interglacial (where they sit around 270 ppm, as ours did until we started burning fossil carbon for fuel and have now got it up to 412 ppm).

> So it is all political play using clueless green fanatic kids that have been brainwashed by Al Gore and his polar bear club...

Al Gore just popularised the science at the point where the evidence for anthropogenic global warming became totally obvious.

> What we should do is bring all the nuclear power on line we can and put aircos in all houses (hardly any in Europe have those) so we can stay as long as possible, after that we\'d have to move to Siberia where it is cool and kindly ask for Russian citizenship

The sort of plan that Jan Panteltje could be relied on to come up with. Not one that would work.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:48:03 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 02 Aug 2022 17:03:12 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:
On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.
Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways and roads
so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..

Trust Jam Panteltje to get it wrong.

> About the most powerful political force is hungry people.

The Netherlands is about the last place on earth where you will find hungry people. It has loads of greedy people - like the livestock farmers who insists over-stocking their farms to the point that the nitrogen waste (urine) from the beasts pollutes the local water table - but the Dutch have been well-feed and tall for the last few thousand years. Dante commented on their height around 1320.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney