Mass Starvation Looming On The Horizon...

[Les Cargill]

Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:27:48 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jkvev7Fs2oU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in <da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com
wrote:

snip

Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is making you insane.


There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

There aren\'t.

Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking highways
and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or something
like that and want to kill them all it seems.

The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in very confined
areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which contaminates the
soil and the ground-water in the area

Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that is used for us humans
There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices
against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
operation.

Yea pollution like caused by fracking is much worse,

Not so much. Fracking is just water and soap ( surfactants ). The
(surface) property owners watch the operators like a hawk. You break it,
you pay for it. The wrong sorta spill is an EPA event. And you\'d better
self-report it.

They do go through a whacking great deal of diesel. So that part\'s quite
real.

Drilling mud is the real nasty stuff. It\'s also generally proprietary.

there are several examples and have been several lawsuits against industry killing people
by dumping stuff
You won\'t die from cow shit, good fertilizer,

Then they might as well shoot all dogs... more dogs than cattle in the cities
and those leave their mark everywhere.
Man! and just this week horse shit on the roads here, those recreational
horse riders do not clean up their shit either.
snip

I was always told horse poop is fairly non-toxic but that\'s gotta be
annoying.

--
Les Cargill

 

[Les Cargill]

Don Y wrote:

On 8/12/2022 7:20 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
snip

Also a lot more violence and burglary in the cities
caught one red-handed in my apartment.
And parking places... And gardens... more here,



My eldest caught someone vandalizing her Ring camera, which
was caught completely on \"tape\". It\'s the last in a long saga.

They actually put the guy in jail. We\'ll see what happens after.

Don\'t expect much.

One of the nonprofits that I work with is often vandalized/burgled.
They have extensive video surveillance in place.

In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
one of the cameras (idiots didn\'t think about wearing facemasks??).
And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they\'d
shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
breaking the windows)

All of this video was delivered to the police -- who apprehended
the \"suspects\".

NO ONE spent a night in jail!

In some cases, theft is regarded as the victim\'s \"problem\" to
resolve.  Police will make \"reports\" but little else.

The \"long saga\" included threats of violence and at least one
restraining order. He\'s in the jailhouse now.

--
Les Cargill

 

[Les Cargill]

John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:10:44 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com
wrote:

On 08/12/2022 08:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
In one incident, you could see the perps actually looking up INTO
one of the cameras (idiots didn\'t think about wearing facemasks??).
And, climbing in and out of rooms through the door-windows they\'d
shattered (it never occurred to them to UNLOCK THE DOORS after
breaking the windows)

In a long and active life I\'ve known some petty criminals. Most aren\'t
too bright. As they describe their past and future plans it\'s like
talking to Wile E. Coyote.

I didn\'t know the perp but I had an old pickup that I left unlocked in
the company parking lot. It had a cassette player in a bracket under the
dash. There was an obvious tab which you pushed down and the player slid
out of the bracket. With the player removed it was easy to unscrew the
bracket mounts. They missed the part about sliding out the player and
somehow got the screws out of one side of the bracket before deciding it
was too much work and left the whole thing dangling from the dash.

I seldom drove the truck since I could walk to work, but I went out one
day to go someplace. It was raining so I turned the wipers on only to
realize there weren\'t any. At least that crook was successful in
stealing two wiper arms.

When I was in the USSR, everyone removed their wiper blades unless it
was actually raining or showing, because if they left them they\'d be
stolen.

On a construction site, all sorts of stuff was stolen. \"Nobody owns
it.\" The construction guys mostly played cards all day.

Maybe things are better now, but I doubt that. Per-capita GDP is still
anout 1/6 of europe\'s.

Communism sure made people un-civil and un-productive.

After the fall it got worse. The SU was a failed state. Those
don\'t generally get any better.

\"Bald and Bankrupt\" on YouTube goes
to \"old Soviet\" places mainly to show the decline since.

He does a bit about the Soviet space shuttle, the Buran.

40 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fZ-r5Qe3tM

--
Les Cargill

 

[Les Cargill]

rbowman wrote:

On 08/12/2022 08:18 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
nip


 I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
quieter, greener place.


Gene Autry wasn\'t kidding with \"Don\'t Fence Me In\"


Quibble -- Roy Rogers.

Maybe even Frank Sinatra ( it was an oft covered song ).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkrQMfL9MKg

\"Turn me loose, set me free
Somewhere in the middle of Montana
And give me all I\'ve got comin\' to me
And keep your retirement
And your so called social security
Big city, turn me loose and set me free\"


Damn straight.

--
Les Cargill

 

[rbowman]

On 08/13/2022 04:49 PM, Les Cargill wrote:

rbowman wrote:
On 08/12/2022 08:00 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
rbowman wrote:
On 08/02/2022 05:35 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/1/2022 7:39 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Too bad the U.S. is grossly overpopulated. There will be no
weathering this one.

Gotta feel sorry for all those red state farmers who\'ll likely be
losing
the
family farm in the years to come. No, it can\'t possibly be
*climate* to
blame!
They\'re just bad farmers, right? :

Not many of those left unless you consider Cargill to be a family.

It can be. I was born to the wrong sort of Cargill, and until
recently ( the Reaper has had his toll ) it was... familial.

I can claim Henson Cargill as a distant kinsman. See also \"Skip a Rope\"
( song ) .

Since your brought it up - in the hope that you find as much use for
this as I have - here is a map-UI-based database for farm subsidies.

It\'s basically a picture of who does farming in the United States.

When you drill down, the recipient is invariably \"<x> Family Trust\"
where <x> owns trucking, small industry and all manner of things.

https://farm.ewg.org/

I noticed an interesting pattern in this state. Stockman Bank,
Independence Bank, and Northwest Farm Credit Services are in the top
7. Even that\'s misleading since the Montana DNRC Trust Land Management
is the leader but hasn\'t gotten any money since 2012. The DRNC in
general took up the slack since 2012 and is 6th.

The banks grabbed all the money since 2019, not a dime before.


Huh. Y\'know, bankers being ... well, bankers through omninous
\"stockman\'s associations\" is kinda a cliche in Westerns set in Montana.
It\'s like Sam Waterson\'s character in \"Heaven\'s Gate\".

We don\'t really kill people as frequently as \'Yellowstone\' infers but
there\'s a grain of reality. I don\'t know why but Yellowstone is filmed
in the Bitterroot Valley and Missoula except for some establishing
shots. There are some dairy operations in the Bitterroot but this is not
cow country.

The show runner may have looked at Billings, Livingston, and Bozeman and
gagged.

 

[rbowman]

On 08/13/2022 04:57 PM, Les Cargill wrote:

Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 08:27:48 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jkvev7Fs2oU1@mid.individual.net>:

On 08/02/2022 11:33 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 18:17:04 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
64b60791-65dd-49ba-a9c9-b417b921ae3fn@googlegroups.com>:

On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 3:03:55 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje
wrote:
On a sunny day (Tue, 2 Aug 2022 07:38:18 -0700 (PDT)) it happened
Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in
da608dbf-e0b7-44e2...@googlegroups.com>:

On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:10:09 AM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com
wrote:

snip

Climate change is greening the planet and increasing crop yields.

That\'s an insane misunderstanding of reality. You\'re knowledge of
the situation
is what\'s called woefully wrong and inadequate. You need to make an
appointment
with your GP and tell him/her your prescription drug regimen is
making you insane.


There is a lot of green people into destroying earth.

There aren\'t.

Over here in the Netherlands the farmers are revolting, blocking
highways
and roads so supermarkets cannot be supplied and shelves are empty..
The EU green political fanatics reason that cows produce CO2 or
something
like that and want to kill them all it seems.

The problem is that the Netherlands raise lots of cows and pigs in
very confined
areas, and al those cows and pigs piss out urea, which
contaminates the
soil and the ground-water in the area

Technology, you can feed that PISS into the same sewage system that
is used for us humans
There are a LOT more humans here though so it would be hardly noticed.
Greens are anti-technology because they have no clue
Just like you and your >>> quoting!!!


Ever try to housebreak a cow? Parenthetically one of the loudest voices
against storing nuclear waste in Nevada was a dairy farmer who had been
cited several times for polluting the ground water with his dairy
operation.

Yea pollution like caused by fracking is much worse,

Not so much. Fracking is just water and soap ( surfactants ). The
(surface) property owners watch the operators like a hawk. You break it,
you pay for it. The wrong sorta spill is an EPA event. And you\'d better
self-report it.

They do go through a whacking great deal of diesel. So that part\'s quite
real.

Drilling mud is the real nasty stuff. It\'s also generally proprietary.

there are several examples and have been several lawsuits against
industry killing people
by dumping stuff
You won\'t die from cow shit, good fertilizer,

Then they might as well shoot all dogs... more dogs than cattle in the
cities
and those leave their mark everywhere.
Man! and just this week horse shit on the roads here, those recreational
horse riders do not clean up their shit either.
snip

I was always told horse poop is fairly non-toxic but that\'s gotta be
annoying.

It\'s part of the scenery on the trails around here. It\'s better than
little plastic bags of dog crap. The dog owners have the \'bag it\' part
down but struggle with \'and take it with you.\'


Bit of trivia: butterflies love nice fresh piles of horse manure.They
also love rotting fish. Being pretty has advantages.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Sun, 14 Aug 2022 00:11:19 -0600) it happened rbowman
<bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jlri0bFevs3U1@mid.individual.net>:

Bit of trivia: butterflies love nice fresh piles of horse manure.They
also love rotting fish. Being pretty has advantages.

There are some nice flowers in my garden.
The cats from nextdoors chase butterflies by jumping high to the flowers where those sit
sucking honey and then eat the butterflies!
Sometimes they take the whole branch of flowers to the ground with it,
I just let it be, its nature

Bit of a heatwave here now, 29 C in the shadow, 31.4 C indoors last night
I like it

 

[rbowman]

On 08/14/2022 04:02 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Sun, 14 Aug 2022 00:11:19 -0600) it happened rbowman
bowman@montana.com> wrote in <jlri0bFevs3U1@mid.individual.net>:

Bit of trivia: butterflies love nice fresh piles of horse manure.They
also love rotting fish. Being pretty has advantages.

There are some nice flowers in my garden.
The cats from nextdoors chase butterflies by jumping high to the flowers where those sit
sucking honey and then eat the butterflies!
Sometimes they take the whole branch of flowers to the ground with it,
I just let it be, its nature

A cat that was hanging around delighted in chasing and eating
butterflies, grasshoppers, and other insects. One day he caught a
yellowjacket,Dolichovespula arenaria, a particularly aggressive wasp.
His species identification got a lot better after that episode.

Bit of a heatwave here now, 29 C in the shadow, 31.4 C indoors last night
I like it

I don\'t have AC so the highest indoor temperature I\'ve seen this summer
was a little over 37 C (99 F). The forecast for today is 32.7 back up
to 37.2 on Wednesday, with all days above 33 for the week.

I don\'t mind it but I went to an Irish festival in Butte yesterday and
walked up to a mine disaster memorial when the dancers were performing.
Butte is an old mining town where some of the city streets are steeper
than many hiking trails so it was a bit of a workout in the heat. I
doubt the dancers were having a good time either.

 

[Don Y]

On 8/14/2022 12:14 PM, rbowman wrote:

I don\'t have AC so the highest indoor temperature I\'ve seen this summer was a
little over 37 C (99 F). The forecast for today is 32.7 back up to 37.2 on
Wednesday, with all days above 33 for the week.

Ouch! That would be intolerable, here -- esp during Monsoon. Summer would
be tolerable as you could resort to evaporative cooling but monsoon leaves
you with fans and bodies that can\'t shed heat very quickly into humid air!

I don\'t mind it but I went to an Irish festival in Butte yesterday and walked
up to a mine disaster memorial when the dancers were performing. Butte is an
old mining town where some of the city streets are steeper than many hiking
trails so it was a bit of a workout in the heat. I doubt the dancers were
having a good time either.

We lost a large (30yo) ocotillo in the most recent storm. No easy way to rid
yourself of it other than cutting one branch at a time with gloved hands!
The work wasn\'t particularly strenuous (though having to bend and CAREFULLY
pick each branch off the ground, individually, and CAREFULLY carry it to
a bundle-in-progress got tiring). And, 100F isn\'t too terrible for outdoor
work.

But, returning indoors, the sweat would flow like someone had turned on a
spigot! As if the body suddenly realized it could benefit from evaporation
(cooler, drier inside air).

That done, I now have to turn my attention to deepening the water catchment
in the back yard. Won\'t be able to do that once Monsoon is over (and the
ground turns back to concrete!).

Again, the work isn\'t too demanding. But, hauling the removed soil out to
the front yard is problematic as there is no path for a Bobcat or even a
wheelbarrow between the two (and driving through the house will raise
eyebrows!)

[Solution: dig a big HOLE and put the dirt in the hole!!! :-/ ]

 

[rbowman]

On 08/14/2022 02:41 PM, Don Y wrote:

We lost a large (30yo) ocotillo in the most recent storm. No easy way
to rid
yourself of it other than cutting one branch at a time with gloved hands!
The work wasn\'t particularly strenuous (though having to bend and CAREFULLY
pick each branch off the ground, individually, and CAREFULLY carry it to
a bundle-in-progress got tiring). And, 100F isn\'t too terrible for outdoor
work.

Could be a teddybear cholla... I\'d love to see a packrat in the act of
decorating his nest with cholla joints. One of the first things I
learned while riding a mountain bike in the desert was what species you
never wanted to crash into and ocotillo is on the list. It is pretty
after it rains though.

 

[Don Y]

On 8/14/2022 9:37 PM, rbowman wrote:

On 08/14/2022 02:41 PM, Don Y wrote:
We lost a large (30yo) ocotillo in the most recent storm. No easy way
to rid
yourself of it other than cutting one branch at a time with gloved hands!
The work wasn\'t particularly strenuous (though having to bend and CAREFULLY
pick each branch off the ground, individually, and CAREFULLY carry it to
a bundle-in-progress got tiring). And, 100F isn\'t too terrible for outdoor
work.

Could be a teddybear cholla... I\'d love to see a packrat in the act of
decorating his nest with cholla joints. One of the first things I learned while
riding a mountain bike in the desert was what species you never wanted to crash
into and ocotillo is on the list.

Also important not to leave branches on driveways/roads/etc. as they can
puncture tires!

> It is pretty after it rains though.

What\'s cool is the new leafs are extremely subtle. Then, dry out and turn
into those nasty spines!

 

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in news:jlonfsF20c3U1
@mid.individual.net:

On 08/12/2022 08:18 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
nip


I think more people are liking the idea of moving to a
quieter, greener place.


Gene Autry wasn\'t kidding with \"Don\'t Fence Me In\"


Quibble -- Roy Rogers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkrQMfL9MKg

\"Turn me loose, set me free
Somewhere in the middle of Montana
And give me all I\'ve got comin\' to me
And keep your retirement
And your so called social security
Big city, turn me loose and set me free\"


Damn straight.

\"Big city\"? Bunch of healots!

When there were a mere 128 million citizens across the entire
nation. Now we are at 329 million.

I for one am glad that my military service was enough that I get VA
health care using top of the line sophisticated equipment.

I will also enjoy getting back retirement checks against all those
payments I made into the system for all of those decades.