Mains power voltage drop to reduce usage?...

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and use
all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using, and
see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste (economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you, thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them. It\'s environmental bullshit to encourage
us to use less power. How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less. Seeing it in realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power at peak times.
 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:05:01 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

On 11/16/2022 3:37 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and
use all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using, and see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788


Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste (economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you, thus
you are mistaken.


Kinsey knows everything better than anyone but trump. In their own
\"minds\", of course.

Ah a leftie thief.
 
On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it?  Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once.  Add up what they should be using, and
see
what the meter thinks.  There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce.  And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters.  What a waste (economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you, thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them.  It\'s environmental bullshit to encourage
us to use less power.  How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less.  Seeing it in realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 12:45:46 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered


Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

Stop spreading your off topic senile shit in these newsgroups, you idiotic
troll-feeding senile asshole!
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:20:49 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:11:20 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:02:36 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 23:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:38:59 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because the exhaust gasses can not be colder than the hot water output.

With a heat pump, they can. Imagine a boost converter.


Guess why this is not massively used.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/california-injects-40m-into-heat-pump-water-heater-effort-amid-broader-pus/621869/

When are people going to stop this carbon shit? Where do they think the carbon used to be?

Plants have sequestered so much carbon that they were close to
starving themselves to death. We\'re fixing that, and crop yields show
it. We\'re re-greening the planet. Well, China is.

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

No jobs, either. All that sort of nonsense is for Texas.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 06:59:58 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Plants have sequestered so much carbon that they were close to
starving themselves to death. We\'re fixing that, and crop yields show
it. We\'re re-greening the planet. Well, China is.

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

No jobs, either. All that sort of nonsense is for Texas.

Feeling better now, you absolutely idiotic driveling and troll-feeding
senile Yankietard? <BG>
 
On 8/11/22 11:15, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 08-Nov-22 12:43 am, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:48:13 PM UTC+11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-07 10:00, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 07-Nov-22 8:47 am, David Wade wrote:
On 06/11/2022 20:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:23:04 -0000, Mark Lloyd
not....@all.invalid> wrote:
On 11/6/22 09:06, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]


The thing is, the rate of heat loss is proportional to the
temperature. \\

Not always.

Heat loss by conduction is proportional to the temperature difference.

Heat loss by natural convection is proportional to the temperature
difference squared, and the rate goes up quite a bit when the
convection currents become turbulent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_number

Heat loss by radiation rises as the fourth power of the absolute
temperature of the radiator, which is even worse.


In any case, it\'s definitely proportional to time.

One could take this to an extreme and provide so little power that by
the time the kettle reaches half-way to boiling, its losing all the
input power to the surroundings. The water will then never boil no
matter how long one waits.

Sylvia.
We are lucky to have 240 volts here.
--
Marty
 
On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 20:28:12 +1100, marty <marty@invalid.net> wrote:

On 8/11/22 11:15, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 08-Nov-22 12:43 am, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 8:48:13 PM UTC+11, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2022-11-07 10:00, Sylvia Else wrote:
On 07-Nov-22 8:47 am, David Wade wrote:
On 06/11/2022 20:55, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 20:23:04 -0000, Mark Lloyd
not....@all.invalid> wrote:
On 11/6/22 09:06, Commander Kinsey wrote:

[snip]


The thing is, the rate of heat loss is proportional to the
temperature. \\

Not always.

Heat loss by conduction is proportional to the temperature difference.

Heat loss by natural convection is proportional to the temperature
difference squared, and the rate goes up quite a bit when the
convection currents become turbulent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_number

Heat loss by radiation rises as the fourth power of the absolute
temperature of the radiator, which is even worse.


In any case, it\'s definitely proportional to time.

One could take this to an extreme and provide so little power that by
the time the kettle reaches half-way to boiling, its losing all the
input power to the surroundings. The water will then never boil no
matter how long one waits.

Sylvia.
We are lucky to have 240 volts here.

We are luckier to have gas. I can put the kettle on low, check the
internet, and make coffee after a while. 100% of the heat from the gas
flame winds up warming the house, which it usually needs.

Cost-wise, gas here has about a 2 or 3:1 advantage over an electric
stovetop. Another advantage here in earthquake country is that we can
cook and heat during a power outage.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:59:58 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:20:49 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:11:20 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:02:36 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 23:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:38:59 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because the exhaust gasses can not be colder than the hot water output.

With a heat pump, they can. Imagine a boost converter.


Guess why this is not massively used.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/california-injects-40m-into-heat-pump-water-heater-effort-amid-broader-pus/621869/

When are people going to stop this carbon shit? Where do they think the carbon used to be?

Plants have sequestered so much carbon that they were close to
starving themselves to death. We\'re fixing that, and crop yields show
it. We\'re re-greening the planet. Well, China is.

Indeed, even NASA admitted it. But the governments stick to their guns, they\'ve invested too much in the green shite.

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

Maybe the heat is frying their brains.
 
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 23:13:18 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:59:58 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:20:49 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:11:20 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 10:02:36 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 23:40, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 13:38:59 +0100, \"Carlos E.R.\"
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 01:27, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:07:43 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:

The highest efficiency gas fired power station is aroung 62% efficient.
Then there are 5% transmission losses.

A condensing gas boiler is over 90% efficient.

Then why don\'t they make the power station like the boiler?

Because the exhaust gasses can not be colder than the hot water output.

With a heat pump, they can. Imagine a boost converter.


Guess why this is not massively used.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/california-injects-40m-into-heat-pump-water-heater-effort-amid-broader-pus/621869/

When are people going to stop this carbon shit? Where do they think the carbon used to be?

Plants have sequestered so much carbon that they were close to
starving themselves to death. We\'re fixing that, and crop yields show
it. We\'re re-greening the planet. Well, China is.

Indeed, even NASA admitted it. But the governments stick to their guns, they\'ve invested too much in the green shite.

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

Maybe the heat is frying their brains.

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Worse, they want to keep the Africans hungry and in the dark.
 
On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:27:02 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Seems unlikely to me, but... you CAN just take a shower.

> Worse, they want to keep the Africans hungry and in the dark.

Seems unlikely to me... China is building an African transcontinental railway,
how does that fit the claim? What does \'elites\' mean? Just a stereotype?
 
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 18:26:53 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Whereas YOU senile sucker of troll cock just want the unwashed Scottish
wanker\'s cock, time and again! <BG>
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:45:46 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using, and
see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste (economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you, thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them. It\'s environmental bullshit to encourage
us to use less power. How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less. Seeing it in realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

If there was enough power they wouldn\'t have to overcharge you at certain times of day. You\'re spreading their load for them at your expense/hassle.
 
On 2022-11-22 09:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:45:46 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it?  Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once.  Add up what they should be using,
and
see
what the meter thinks.  There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce.  And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters.  What a waste
(economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you,
thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them.  It\'s environmental bullshit to
encourage
us to use less power.  How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less.  Seeing it in
realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you
the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

If there was enough power they wouldn\'t have to overcharge you at
certain times of day.  You\'re spreading their load for them at your
expense/hassle.

We have triple generating capacity than peak use ever.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On 22/11/2022 02:26, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 23:13:18 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:59:58 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

Maybe the heat is frying their brains.

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Worse, they want to keep the Africans hungry and in the dark.

That\'s all right. It is the \"dark continent\".

--
Max Demian
 
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:41:02 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-22 09:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:45:46 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using,
and
see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste
(economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you,
thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them. It\'s environmental bullshit to
encourage
us to use less power. How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less. Seeing it in
realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you
the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

If there was enough power they wouldn\'t have to overcharge you at
certain times of day. You\'re spreading their load for them at your
expense/hassle.

We have triple generating capacity than peak use ever.

Then what excuse do they have for charging you more at peak time?
 
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:47:05 -0000, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

On 22/11/2022 02:26, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 23:13:18 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:59:58 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

California wants all electric cars, all electric homes, no nukes, no
dams, no fracking, no gas, no power plants. It will get interesting.

Maybe the heat is frying their brains.

The COP27 elites, with their private jets and wagyu beef lunches and
arctic-level air conditioned tents, actually want the unwashed masses
(ie, you and me) to suffer.

Worse, they want to keep the Africans hungry and in the dark.

That\'s all right. It is the \"dark continent\".

They need lighting even more to see the darker skin in low light.
 
tirsdag den 22. november 2022 kl. 13.19.41 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:41:02 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-22 09:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:45:46 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using,
and
see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste
(economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you,
thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them. It\'s environmental bullshit to
encourage
us to use less power. How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less. Seeing it in
realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you
the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

If there was enough power they wouldn\'t have to overcharge you at
certain times of day. You\'re spreading their load for them at your
expense/hassle.

We have triple generating capacity than peak use ever.
Then what excuse do they have for charging you more at peak time?

the generating capacity to cover peaks are expensive gasturbines etc. that only get fired up when needed
 
On 2022-11-22 13:53, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
tirsdag den 22. november 2022 kl. 13.19.41 UTC+1 skrev Commander Kinsey:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 11:41:02 -0000, Carlos E.R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-22 09:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:45:46 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-19 06:29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:27:35 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 15:13, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:37:48 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-16 06:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:46:08 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:

On 2022-11-14 03:21, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:04:42 -0000, Carlos E.R.
robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:


Anyway, my meter is read about once every 5 years.

They really work well, no problems detected, AFAIK.

Have you measured it? Switch off everything in your house, and
use
all
your LED lighting at once. Add up what they should be using,
and
see
what the meter thinks. There have been reports LED lighting is
measured
at up to 5 times what it really is.

It is the same power as it was before, with the mechanical
meter, or
less.

Maybe they fixed it after the big farce. And of course there\'s
still
this:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/smart-meter-warning-thousands-customers-28458788

Maybe there never was such a problem in Spain. We did things right
from
the start.

There was never any need for smart meters. What a waste
(economically
and environmentally) making all that new equipment.


Obviously the people that held the purses did not think like you,
thus
you are mistaken.

That\'s not why they made them. It\'s environmental bullshit to
encourage
us to use less power. How ridiculous, we use what we want or need to,
until the bill is too high, then we use less. Seeing it in
realtime is
pointless.

It doesn\'t matter if you see it in realtime or not.

Here, the price per hour can be different, and one day to the next too.
That needs a smart meter that can meter that.

If you hate the idea, it is irrelevant.

If you somehow have an electromechanical meter, they will charge you
the
highest price per hour of the month. No problem.

Then you live in an uncivilized country which doesn\'t have enough power
at peak times.

But we do. No blackouts, brownouts, rotating blackouts, downfrequency,
whatever.

If there was enough power they wouldn\'t have to overcharge you at
certain times of day. You\'re spreading their load for them at your
expense/hassle.

We have triple generating capacity than peak use ever.
Then what excuse do they have for charging you more at peak time?

the generating capacity to cover peaks are expensive gasturbines etc. that only get fired up when needed

You can also look at it not as peak price being more, but as valley
price being less.



--
Cheers, Carlos.
 
On Tue, 22 Nov 2022 12:41:02 +0100, cretinous Carlos E.R., another brain
dead troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


> We have triple generating capacity than peak use ever.

You BOTH have shit for brains, you trolling sickos!
 

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