Lithium batteries, not worth it...

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 12:45:02 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:40:52 -0400, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 4/15/2023 8:13 PM, T wrote:
On 4/15/23 06:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:

<snip>

The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421
ppm as of May 2022. This is an increase of 50% since the start of the
Industrial Revolution, up from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years prior to
the mid-18th century. The increase is due to human activity.

CO2 was about 1600 PPM 50 million years ago, and around 5000 PPM 500 million years ago. The great explosions of plant and animal life happened at high CO2 levels; no coincidence.

500 million years ago the sun was appreciably smaller, and we got less solar radiation. We needed a thick blanket of CO2 to keep the planet warm.

During the Cambrian explosion it was around 4000.

So what.

the more recent peak about 55 million year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

The biological effects weren\'t benefical - there were mass extinctions in the oceans, and massive dwarfing on land.

> Last few million years, so much CO2 was sequestered that plants were about to starve to death.

Total nonsense. Plants do fine during ice ages when the CO2 level drops to 180ppm

> Good thing we\'re fixing that. 1000 PPM would be nice.

You wouldn\'t like it if you got it, but you\'d probably starve to death long before CO2 levels got there. The agriculture that feeds you is optimised for the interglacial climate that prevailed when we were developing agriculture. We might be able to develop a new one with new crops growing in new areas, but there would be a population crash before we\'d finally got it right, and pollyannas like you wouldn\'t adapt as fast as they\'d need to.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Paul]

On 4/14/2023 7:46 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:

I was listening to a science program a couple of weeks ago, and they seem to
be wondering that when they look at the spectrum of some asteroids they
seem to be giving a high indication of Lithium content. If that is the
case, is it not odd that as the earth was apparently built from this stuff
that its not abundant here as well? Who nicked it all?
Brian

\"It is reported that the total amount of lithium reserves
in the oceans is approximately 2.6 × 10^11 tons.\"

Harvesting it, of course, is not all that viable. We are starting
with strip mining \"lithium lakes\" that dried up and made concentrated
deposits. We start with the lazy sources, first. Those areas
likely have a lot of salts in them, but we\'re only interested
in one of the salts.

However, there are other chemicals needed to make the hardware,
which are much harder to come by.

The Chinese are pushing Lithium Iron Phosphate.
And Tesla is onboard with it. It\'s quite possible that
every Model 3 now, ships with Lithium Iron Phosphate packs.
Some of the older (more expensive) models, would continue
to have Cobalt-based ones.

Cobalt and nickel are expensive.

I didn\'t know things were this bad, that the cells were roughly
the same price ? How is that possible ?

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityinsights/en/market-insights/blogs/metals/051122-battery-metals-lithium-cobalt-nickel-prices

\"Right now there is price parity between LFP and NCM. If LFP becomes
a lot cheaper again we can maybe prioritize production\"

\"A second automotive OEM echoed that comment, \"LFP batteries will be
there for entry level vehicles, but not adopted for premium cars\".\"

*******

And some of the recent astronomy articles on ars,
hint at where heavy elements come from. Supernovas
are a good source.

https://lco.global/spacebook/stars/supernova/

\"The explosion sends a shock wave of the star\'s former surface zooming
out at a speed of 10,000 km/s, and heating it so it shines brilliantly
for about a week. This shock wave compresses the material it passes
through and is the only place where many elements such as zinc, silver,
tin, gold, mercury, lead and uranium are produced.\"

But we don\'t normally sit just outside a supernova,
with a catchers mitt, because we\'d be fried instantly
by the infrared. A safe distance from a supernova, is
a long long way.

\"Earth would have to be at least 50 light-years away
from the exploding star.\"

And we can\'t even manage to go the 4 light-years to the \"neighbours\".

\"Proxima Centauri is slightly closer at 4.25 light years\"

Paul

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 1:06:20 PM UTC+10, T wrote:

On 4/15/23 19:44, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:40:52 -0400, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 4/15/2023 8:13 PM, T wrote:
On 4/15/23 06:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:

<snip>

> And ice core samples definitive show that the planet heated up BEFORE CO2 levels rose.

The Milankovitch effect works on the ice cover on the northern reaches of the Northern hemisphere. CO2 levels rise because the as earth\'s albedo is reduced and more solar radiation is absorbed. making the oceans get warmer, so they doesn\'t dissolve as much CO2. The excess moves into the atmosphere.

If you could timing data for the

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum

where the excess CO2 was released by vulcanism, you\'d see it leading the temperature rise (but not by much).

> CO2 is part of the cycle of life. And it is a tiny fraction of the atmosphere. Human addition of CO2 are a tiny, tiny fraction of that.

Pushing CO2 levels up from 315ppm to 421ppm from 1958 to 2023 is a 34% rise.. That isn\'t a \"tiny fraction\".

And it has raised the global average temperature by 1.3 degrees Celcius. Where it matters - around the Arctic circle - it has pushed it up move, melting the ice cover, meaning that more solar radiatio is being absorbed up there, producing even more warming.

> On the other hand, the HOLY MOTHER of green house gasses is water vapor. By the Left has not figure a way to take our freedom and treasure over water vapor. Good old dihydrogen oxide!

Water has a habit of condensing out of the atmosphere and falling as rain. Water vapour imbalances equilibrate out in about three weeks. CO2 hangs around in the atmosphere for about 800 years.

> On second thought, I should not give them any ideas.

Very wise. You don\'t actually have any ideas to give - what you post is straight climate change denial propaganda - and if you are gullible enough to fall for that any original ideas that you might have would have to be too ill-informed to be worth passing on.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 3:29:36 PM UTC+10, Paul wrote:
> On 4/14/2023 7:46 AM, Brian Gaff wrote:

<snip>

> But we don\'t normally sit just outside a supernova, with a catchers mitt, because we\'d be fried instantly by the infrared. A safe distance from a supernova, is a long long way.

We didn\'t have to. Our sun is a \"young\" metal-rich population 1 state formed some 4.5 million years ago, when the universe had already had 8 billion years worth of supernova,

> \"Earth would have to be at least 50 light-years away from the exploding star.\"

Since the planet hadn\'t formed when the supernova that forged our heavy metals went off, the distance isn\'t all that important. The supernova - or probably a whole lot of them - had to occur somewhere in our galaxy, but a few billion years is enough to let the metals get spread around

And we can\'t even manage to go the 4 light-years to the \"neighbours\".

\"Proxima Centauri is slightly closer at 4.25 light years\"

Wrong time scale.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 7:45:02 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

CO2 was about 1600 PPM 50 million years ago, and around 5000 PPM 500
million years ago. The great explosions of plant and animal life
happened at high CO2 levels; no coincidence.

In those days there were no civilizations, no humans, and none of
our current crop plants and fewer useful animals. The atmosphere didn\'t
cause life to \'explode\', that happened with time (to create new species and
expand into new ecological niches).

Current losses of species mean something important. It
means we cannot associate the current increase in CO2 with a
\"great explosion\" of life today. Correlation is NOT seen, nor causation.

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 17:21:18 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:

Tax it too much and the black market returns.

Where did I hear most of the cigarettes in the UK
are black market? I could be wrong.

Is this still about lithium batteries, you abnormal senile shitheads?

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 03:21:46 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> 23% in this county for recreational marijuana. 20% state excise tax and a

Will sick senile shitheads keep your sick off topic shit out of these ngs
finally?

--
More typical idiotic senile gossip by lowbrowwoman:
\"It\'s been years since I\'ve been in a fast food burger joint but I used
to like Wendy\'s because they had a salad bar and baked potatoes.\"
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[Peeler]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 17:19:15 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:

Is that the idiot who uses pretty colours for his text?

Danny need a better news reader

The two of you need a doctor who can do something about all that shit in
your sick heads, T(wat)!

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 05:08:55 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

More sunlit uplands full of fairy farts and unicorn shit

Wrong attribution... I never wrote bullshit like that.

You ONLY write bullshit like that and worse than that, you abnormal senile
Yankee bigmouth!

--
More of the pathological senile gossip\'s sick shit squeezed out of his sick
head:
\"Skunk probably tastes like chicken. I\'ve never gotten that comparison,
most famously with Chicken of the Sea. Tuna is a fish and tastes like a
fish. I will admit I\'ve had chicken that tasted like fish. I don\'t think I
want to know what they were feeding it.\"
MID: <k44t5lFl1k3U4@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 04:11:32 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.

What could be cooler than your grand cool personality, eh, you self-admiring
all-American superhero with the so very big mouth? LOL

--
More of the resident senile bigmouth\'s idiotic \"cool\" blather:
\"For reasons I can\'t recall I painted a spare bedroom in purple. It may
have had something to do with copious quantities of cheap Scotch.\"
MID: <k89lchF8b4pU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 03:35:30 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> I worked for a company with

Oh, NO!!! The resident gossip is at it again...

<FLUSH the inevitable self-important senile crap unread again>

--
Gossiping \"lowbrowwoman\" about herself:
\"Usenet is my blog... I don\'t give a damn if anyone ever reads my posts
but they are useful in marshaling [sic] my thoughts.\"
MID: <iteioiF60jmU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 03:03:31 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

It puts out enough to light a multi-color LED. I think it runs on
methanol, maybe denatured ethanol; whatever I bought the last time around
for my Mini Trangia stove.

What would be really interesting is on what medication you are running, you
pathological senile bigmouth and psycho! ;-)

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 02:48:59 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> Methanol and hydrazine with a dash of nitro would work...

Try it! Maybe it would even work on your big mouth!

--
Yet more of the so very interesting senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"My family loaded me into a \'51 Chevy and drove from NY to Seattle and
back in \'52. I\'m alive. The Chevy had a painted steel dashboard with two
little hand prints worn down to the primer because I liked to stand up
and lean on it to see where we were going.\"
MID: <j2kuc1F3ejsU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:57:30 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin\'s latest trollshit unread>

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Pomegranate Bastard addressing the trolling senile cretin from Oz:
\"Surely you can find an Australian group to pollute rather than posting
your unwanted guff here.\"
MID: <c1pqvgte5ldlo1rn3fpl7igtg4h8i9mk7p@4ax.com>

 

[Peeler]

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 17:13:30 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:

These \"alarmists\" act like the CO2 that goes into the atmosphere stays
there. Plants create sugars from it.

TWO mentally challenged trolls having a tete-a-tete! LMAO

 

[Peeler]

On 16 Apr 2023 05:04:36 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


> It doesn\'t mean shit to a tree.

Are you referring to your endless blather? LOL Or do you know of ANYONE in
real life who actually gives a shit about the grandiloquent bullshit you
keep spouting here every day? <BG>

--
Yet more absolutely idiotic senile blather by lowbrowwoman:
\"I save my fries quota for one of the local food trucks that offers
poutine every now and then. If you\'re going for a coronary might as well
do it right.\"
MID: <ivdi4gF8btlU1@mid.individual.net>

 

[alan_m]

On 15/04/2023 09:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/04/2023 03:27, rbowman wrote:
with declining costs for renewable electricity,
in particular from solar PV and wind,

ROFLMAO!

More sunlit uplands full of fairy farts and unicorn shit

Yep, as long as you don\'t factor in the cost of maintenance and repair.
Each wind turbine is likely to have a fault at least 3x per year and
possibly 10x per year. A whole army of repair technicians travelling to
far flung sites on the top of mountains has to be paid for in our
utility bills.


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[alan_m]

On 16/04/2023 05:11, rbowman wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 14:53:14 +0100, Commander Kinsey wrote:


Why are you imagining him with a sixpack?

Sixpack of beer in the cooler on the floor of the pickup. Joe\'s abs
haven\'t been seen in 20 years.

More like a six pack of empty beer cans in the drivers footwell



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[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 6:31:36 PM UTC+10, alan_m wrote:

On 15/04/2023 09:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/2023 03:27, rbowman wrote:
with declining costs for renewable electricity,
in particular from solar PV and wind,

ROFLMAO!

More sunlit uplands full of fairy farts and unicorn shit

Yep, as long as you don\'t factor in the cost of maintenance and repair.

Everybody does,

> Each wind turbine is likely to have a fault at least 3x per year and possibly 10x per year. A whole army of repair technicians travelling to far flung sites on the top of mountains has to be paid for in our utility bills.

But the utility companies keep on building more of them, because they still make more money out of them than out of the coal-fired and gas-fired generators, which also need maintenance, along with the power lines that distribute the power.

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Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[alan_m]

On 16/04/2023 04:04, T wrote:

And ice core samples definitive show that the
planets heated up BEFORE CO2 levels rose.

If the climate alarmists are now predicting that a few degrees rise in
temperature is going to destroy all the ice at the poles and the world\'s
land masses are going to flood where do all these ice core samples come
from? If the world was a lot hotter with elevated levels of CO2 wouldn\'t
all the ice have melted?


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