Lithium batteries, not worth it...

[T]

On 4/16/23 01:51, alan_m wrote:

On 16/04/2023 04:04, T wrote:


And ice core samples definitive show that the
planets heated up BEFORE CO2 levels rose.

If the climate alarmists are now predicting that a few degrees rise in
temperature is going to destroy all the ice at the poles and the world\'s
land masses are going to flood where do all these ice core samples come
from? If the world was a lot hotter with elevated levels of CO2 wouldn\'t
all the ice have melted?

The alarmists do not make a lot of sense.
That is why they refuse to debate.

 

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-16, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

far flung outbacks of the UK

I love your dry, British sense of humor.

http://www.undertheraedar.com/2011/01/exactly-how-big-is-united-kingdom.html

--
Cindy Hamilton

 

[T]

On 4/16/23 03:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 06:04:36 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:40:52 -0400, Ed P wrote:


The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421
ppm as of May 2022. This is an increase of 50% since the start of the
Industrial Revolution, up from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years prior to
the mid-18th century. The increase is due to human activity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV6r0njkjxk

It doesn\'t mean shit to a tree.

Actually they like it.  As you would like more oxygen.

Oh, you really want to freak out the greenies. Tell
them that mature trees, A.K.A. \"Old Growth\", use as
much oxygen as CO2. CO2 in the day to create
sugars; oxygen at night to create proteins. Zero
sum game.

 

[T]

On 4/16/23 03:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> In the UK, alcohol tax is 900%.

Do the pubs get a break?

 

[T]

On 4/16/23 04:56, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:07:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 06:29, Paul wrote:
\"It is reported that the total amount of lithium reserves
     in the oceans is approximately 2.6 × 10^11 tons.\"

How much energy would it take to extract it? You would need tha 4x10^9
tonnes of uranium first, to get it out ...

I saw a website written in 2014 which said we were running out of
uranium (by 2042).  Mind you it also said we\'d already run out of
Antimony (in 2020) and we\'ll run out of lead in 2025.  Where do they get
this shit from?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/forecast-when-well-run-out-of-each-metal/

They pull it out their ...

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:00:53 PM UTC+10, Commander Kinsey wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 11:58:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher <t...@invalid..invalid> wrote:

On 16/04/2023 01:40, Ed P wrote:

The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421
ppm as of May 2022. This is an increase of 50% since the start of the
Industrial Revolution, up from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years prior to
the mid-18th century. The increase is due to human activity.

And you know this because?

Because the extra CO2 in the air is short of Carbon-14.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suess_effect

> >That period also coincides with the end of the little ice age, and we know that mildly warming oceans outgass lots of CO2 until the organic life catches up with it.

Except the little ice age was essentially a feature of the area around the Atlantic ocean, and didn\'t change the ocean temperatures enough to shift anything like enough CO2 out of solution.

> The last part is key. Organic life uses what\'s there. Things auto-level. Climate change won\'t kill us.

It could kill quite a few of us.

>Wasting money on stopping it will.

Getting our electric power from cheaper renewable sources is saving money, not wasting money. It\'s a much better investment that putting money into fossil carbon fueled generating plant. Keeping the climate more or less survivable is a bonus. The Scots live with a rotten climate, and might appreciate a bit of global warming, but having to accommodate a lot of climate refugees from North Africa might be less attractive.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 11:14:20 PM UTC+10, T wrote:

On 4/16/23 01:51, alan_m wrote:
On 16/04/2023 04:04, T wrote:


And ice core samples definitive show that the
planets heated up BEFORE CO2 levels rose.

If the climate alarmists are now predicting that a few degrees rise in
temperature is going to destroy all the ice at the poles and the world\'s
land masses are going to flood where do all these ice core samples come
from? If the world was a lot hotter with elevated levels of CO2 wouldn\'t
all the ice have melted?

The alarmists do not make a lot of sense.

Not to an idiot like T.

> That is why they refuse to debate.

There\'s not a lot of point in debating ignorant idiots. Learn a bit about the subject, though you probably can\'t, and you might get taken more seriously.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2023-04-14, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 15:49:40 +0100, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/13/2023 11:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

As it is EV\'s with lithium batteries weigh about about a half ton more
than ICE vehicles. Would be interesting to see what they would weigh
with a lead battery.

I worked out I could extend the range of a small EV by 120 miles with 250kg of Lead Acid. That\'s the weight of three adult male humans. Which you can put in the back of a car without breaking it.

Adding weight to an EV doesn\'t use much more power. It uses more to accelerate, but you get more back from braking. It uses more to go uphill, but you get more back going downhill. When going at a constant speed, the air resistance is what matters, which is unchanged. You just need stronger suspension.

It increases the rolling resistance. increases resitive losses in
the electrical system too

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 06:20:25 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:



> Do the pubs get a break?

Give these ngs a break and fuck off with your endless off topic sick
trollshit, T(wat)!

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 06:21:49 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:


> They pull it out their ...

HE can\'t pull his... out of your mouth though, what with your sucking so
hard and passionately on it, you idiotic \"religious\" T(rumptard) and troll!
<BG>

 

[Ed Lee]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 6:30:56 AM UTC-7, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2023-04-14, Commander Kinsey <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 15:49:40 +0100, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/13/2023 11:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

As it is EV\'s with lithium batteries weigh about about a half ton more
than ICE vehicles. Would be interesting to see what they would weigh
with a lead battery.

I worked out I could extend the range of a small EV by 120 miles with 250kg of Lead Acid. That\'s the weight of three adult male humans. Which you can put in the back of a car without breaking it.

Adding weight to an EV doesn\'t use much more power. It uses more to accelerate, but you get more back from braking. It uses more to go uphill, but you get more back going downhill. When going at a constant speed, the air resistance is what matters, which is unchanged. You just need stronger suspension.

It increases the rolling resistance. increases resitive losses in
the electrical system too

His weight/size estimates are off by factor of 10. It\'s going to be a bus-size car.

I repeat:

https://www.renogy.com/deep-cycle-agm-battery-12-volt-200ah is 2400Wh, 65kg, $360

They suggest not to discharge beyond 50%, around 1,000Wh usable. So, you needs 40 of them to go 120 miles, which is 40,000Wh 2,600 kg and $14,000.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:16:28 +0100, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:


> There is a massive difference

There is NO difference AT ALL between a retarded troll and his corresponding
retarded troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE! That much has become obvious in these
groups by now!

 

[Ed P]

On 4/16/2023 6:51 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/04/2023 16:36, Ed P wrote:
Lithium will become passe in a few years as other materials do a
better job.
The one thing the laws of chemistry have to say, is that nothing exists
or can exist that will do a better job than lithium.

Which means the whole battery powered world is a bust. It cant be done.
Parts, yes, All? No.

That sounds dumb to me. Silver is a better conductor of electricity but
yet we use copper. \"Better job\" means cost efficiency. sustainability,
and adequate performance.

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 06:18:40 -0700, T(wat), the idiotic trolling and
troll-feeding senile asshole, babbled again:


> Oh, you really want to freak out the greenies.

Oh, you REALLY have become addicted to the unwashed (and reportedly smelly)
Scottish wanker\'s cock, T(wat) you passionate sucker of troll cock! <BG>

 

[Peeler]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:22:13 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts, another brain dead
troll-feeding senile shithead, blathered:

It increases the rolling resistance. increases resitive losses in
the electrical system too

His ongoing successful baiting of you senile assholes certainly increases
his trolling in these groups, you idiotic troll-feeding senile shitheads!

 

[Scott Lurndal]

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> writes:

On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:40:52 -0400, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 4/15/2023 8:13 PM, T wrote:
On 4/15/23 06:51, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Every time one of those morons says greenhouse gases, say plant air
supply.

These \"alarmists\" act like the CO2 that goes into the atmosphere stays
there.  Plants create sugars from it.
Our entire food supply is dependent on CO2.  And
if for some strange reason CO2 drops too far in our
atmosphere, plants start dying and every living
thing on this planet is in a heap of trouble.

So ya, \"plant air supply\", \"plant food supply\",
\"Everything else\'s food supply\".  CO2 is part of
cycle of life.

So? There is a limit to how much they can process. Balance. You need
balance. Do you have actual numbers of how much is produced and how
much is absorbed?

You body needs water. Too much though, will kill you.

It just occurred to me that most of there
\"Alarmists\" as \"vegetarians\" and do not realize
the above.  This is what you get when you don\'t
think for yourself and rely on political offices
for your narratives.


It occurred to me some time back you try to apply a simple theory but
have no supporting evidence. The balance of CO2 has changed.

The current global average concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is 421
ppm as of May 2022. This is an increase of 50% since the start of the
Industrial Revolution, up from 280 ppm during the 10,000 years prior to
the mid-18th century. The increase is due to human activity.

CO2 was about 1600 PPM 50 million years ago,

There were no humans 50 million years ago, so regardless of
whether your number is correct, it is completely irrelevent.

 

[Jim Jackson]

On 2023-04-16, Ed P <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 6:51 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/2023 16:36, Ed P wrote:
Lithium will become passe in a few years as other materials do a
better job.
The one thing the laws of chemistry have to say, is that nothing exists
or can exist that will do a better job than lithium.

Which means the whole battery powered world is a bust. It cant be done.
Parts, yes, All? No.


That sounds dumb to me. Silver is a better conductor of electricity but
yet we use copper. \"Better job\" means cost efficiency. sustainability,
and adequate performance.

You are wasting your time - nuance doesn\'t work with him. Like a lot of
people here, reason goes out of the window as soon as certain buttons
are pushed.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 16/04/2023 12:16, alan_m wrote:

On 16/04/2023 11:31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 09:31:29 +0100, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk
wrote:

On 15/04/2023 09:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/2023 03:27, rbowman wrote:
with declining costs for renewable electricity,
in particular from solar PV and wind,

ROFLMAO!

More sunlit uplands full of fairy farts and unicorn shit


Yep, as long as you don\'t factor in the cost of maintenance and repair.
Each wind turbine is likely to have a fault at least 3x per year and
possibly 10x per year.  A whole army of repair technicians travelling to
far flung sites on the top of mountains has to be paid for in our
utility bills.

Do normal power stations not need maintainance?  In fact don\'t they
have full time staff?

There is a massive difference in running a few centralised facilities
with a small maintenance crews and having to employ an army of staff and
vehicles to service perhaps 100,000+ wind turbines in far flung outbacks
of the UK maybe as often as once a month. Add the extra hassle of
offshore installations and the fleet of ships needed and the cost rise
higher.


+1

Not to mention the carbon cost of all the helicopters land rovers and
service boats needed to access them
--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 16/04/2023 14:22, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2023-04-14, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 15:49:40 +0100, Frank <\"frank \"@frank.net> wrote:

On 4/13/2023 11:57 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Are you greenies nuts?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385430139122
Nearly 3 grand for a battery with the same capacity of two deep cycle
lead acid batteries costing £150?

As it is EV\'s with lithium batteries weigh about about a half ton more
than ICE vehicles. Would be interesting to see what they would weigh
with a lead battery.

I worked out I could extend the range of a small EV by 120 miles with 250kg of Lead Acid. That\'s the weight of three adult male humans. Which you can put in the back of a car without breaking it.

Adding weight to an EV doesn\'t use much more power. It uses more to accelerate, but you get more back from braking. It uses more to go uphill, but you get more back going downhill. When going at a constant speed, the air resistance is what matters, which is unchanged. You just need stronger suspension.

It increases the rolling resistance. increases resitive losses in
the electrical system too

He is of course talking bollocks, otherwise a 30 tonne truck would use
the same amount of fuel as a 2CV
Heavy vehicles use massive amounts of energy to accelerate or go up
hills which you do not all get back in the reverse direction, and the
rolling resistance is not far off proportional to the weight.
Every time you use the disk brakes, energy is lost that will never be
recovered, too.


--
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.”
― Groucho Marx

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 16/04/2023 14:59, Ed P wrote:

On 4/16/2023 6:51 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 15/04/2023 16:36, Ed P wrote:
Lithium will become passe in a few years as other materials do a
better job.
The one thing the laws of chemistry have to say, is that nothing
exists or can exist that will do a better job than lithium.

Which means the whole battery powered world is a bust. It cant be
done. Parts, yes, All? No.


That sounds dumb to me.
Then you have no understanding of electrochemistry

Silver is a better conductor of electricity but

yet we use copper.  \"Better job\" means cost efficiency. sustainability,
and adequate performance.

But batteries even with lithium do not have \'adequate\' performance.
And nothing is \'sustainable\'

We are all surfing the Big Bang entropy wave to eventual heat death.


--
\"I guess a rattlesnake ain\'t risponsible fer bein\' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if\'n I catches him around mah chillun\".