Jihad needs scientists

[Michael A. Terrell]

T Wake wrote:

Yes.

Are you struggling with the word choice?

I have no problems with it, but you seem to.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[T Wake]

"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:50:02 +0100, "T Wake"
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:03:17 GMT, <lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Which one would that be, the dangers of driving on the nation's
highways?
That's at least 3 orders of magnitude greater of a real threat to every
person in the country than is terrorism.

3000 people died at the WTC. Three orders of magnitude from that is 3
million. We kill about 40K people a year in car accidents.


3000 people (not all of whom were US citizens) have been killed by Islamic
terrorist attacks on the Mainland US in (shall we say 80 years). How many
have died in car accidents in that time?

That said, you are nitpicking in the same manner. More than ten times as
many people die every year as died as a result of the 11 Sep 01 attack.
That
is TEN attacks of that scale (and that was a large scale attack by
anyone's
standards) every single year. Year in, year out and accepted as a normal
risk in life.


Well, I'm an engineer. Numbers matter to me. "At least three orders of
magnitude" isn't accurate.

Well even the one year left it within a tolerance of 1 order of magnitude.
Quite accurate for some things.

The comparison of a single event to the
entire history of automobile use isn't vert logical either.

Really? Depends I suppose. We [tinw] have had quite some time now to make
car usage as safe as possible and still kill around 4x10^4 people a year.
International terrorism on CONUS is a brand new threat and only kills 3x10^3
people in five years.

Is that more logical?

Threat is very much perception driven. People perceive a greater threat from
terrorism than anything else because they have had time to acclimatise to
the every day threats which kill at least 3 orders of magnitude more people
(accidents, crime etc).

In the UK, less than 100 people have died as the result of Islamic based
terrorism (a fraction of the number who have been killed by Irish related
terrorism), yet we have a constantly heightened alert state.

Planes to the US are becoming a joke now, all because of four domestic
flights being taken over. How many flights take off each day?

 

[Eeyore]

John Larkin wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:

So, seriously: why do you care now?

America is now threatening my way of life.

Bizarre. How?

Because of all the wars you've been pointlessly starting and you want to
start more.

It's horrible. There's death and destruction on the news every night.
British lads are dying for America and all you do is tell us we're wrong
to criticise. I can assure you that the British public is getting VERY
pissed off. I was just watching 'Question Time' and there was a very
anti-US feeling from the audience.

Without a change of tack, I can see the North Atlantic Alliance falling
apart in the next couple of years.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <p_OdnTk5wevL47jYnZ2dnUVZ8tCdnZ2d@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Really? What did Teacher set as the victory condition? This is USENET,
despite all the hard talk and macho strutting all people are doing is
typing
words. How can any one win or lose a "tauntfight" like that?


Endurance.


Aha. The mad, the unemployed, the social misfits, (and so on) are the
victors then. Wonderful.

You sound like you think that may be a bad thing....

Fair one. I may reconsider.

 

[Eeyore]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote:

What ought to be done? Why is government better able than the free
market (including the free market of getting donations to support
private research like that done by MDA, St. Judes, etc.)

Because Government can prioritise according to need rather than profit.
They don't. They prioritize according to their profit,

You're stupid and ignorant.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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You have to be mad to think "anything is going on in secret" except more
stupidity.

But you have no way of knowing that.

Why else would the USA be blundering from one failure to the next ?

Even the best plans fail.

The 'best' plans?

Bush wanted to invade Iraq in the worst possible way. In this he was
completely successful.

Well, fair one.

 

[Eeyore]

Kurt Ullman wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

Because Government can prioritise according to need rather than profit.
They don't. They prioritize according to their profit, ie, how many
votes it will get or how much to their PACs or re-election funds.
Otherwise you wouldn't have the rather strange of allocation of
resources you see sometimes at the NIH and other federal programs.

Oh the USA ?

That's corrupt anyway ! Just don't tar us with the same brush ( yet ).

Graham

 

[T Wake]

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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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Before Hitler - no holocaust.

After Hitler - no holocaust.

Wow. Before [Insert anyone who lived between 1930 - 1945] no holocaust.
After [same person] no holocaust.

So you see no connection between Hitler and the holocaust?

I see a connection but the same connection can be said about many people.
Your example was meant to imply that Hitler was the sole driving force for
the Holocaust. This is not the case.

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

The insurgent isn't automatically a terrorist.

It is a viewpoint issue. Were the July train bombers in London
insurgents
or
terrorists?

Definitely terrorists. Not insurgents in any organised way.

But they were organised.

An organised group of 5 ?

Yes.

Is there a minimum number before you can become organised?

Apart from that, who recruited them? Who trained them? Who equipped them?
Who encouraged them?

 

[John Fields]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:08:05 +0100, "T Wake"
<usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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Yeah. I think they say 'OK' instead of 'ja'. Pretty much like you
all do, nein?


Wow. Your French is _really_ bad.

---
Funny! <G>


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

 

[Daniel Mandic]

John Fields wrote:

No, most Americans have ascended from European roots.

Indians were long before europeans.... LOOOONG before. They de- and
ascended probably also from Neanderthaler Humans.

Europe was outspoken the first time, by a greek sailsman. Sailed at
that time to the Etruscian People inimdst of Italika (or Rome, if you
wish).

No Americans are Europeans except the ones that hold dual
citizenship in the US and also in some European state.

Asian people?



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[T Wake]

"Kurt Ullman" <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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In article <esidnW_v7dZdGLjYRVnyiQ@pipex.net>,
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


How far down the line do they have to go to be "actively trying to kill"
you? Is it the point they aim a gun at _you_ or is it the point they
stand
on a box in a foreign country and espouse violence toward the US?

Yes. As long as they have a method to follow through on the violence.
You can also actively try to kill me by doing things other than aim a
gun at me.

Ok, I realise that, I am just trying to gauge where the point that a person
becomes actively trying begins and where chest thumping rhetoric stops.

As a counter example, the US has the capacity to follow through with it's
threats therefore Iran is within it's "rights" to attempt to defend itself
in any means possible. Do you agree?

Although, as was mentioned earlier, I have never been a big exponent
of not targeting the generals. Think wars would stop a lot quicker if
the generals were also targets along with the poor grunt.

Possibly. Killing civilians and politicians has probably been the _most_
effective (if not the most acceptable) in the past.

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Really? What did Teacher set as the victory condition? This is USENET,
despite all the hard talk and macho strutting all people are doing is
typing
words. How can any one win or lose a "tauntfight" like that?


Endurance.


Aha. The mad, the unemployed, the social misfits, (and so on) are the
victors then. Wonderful.


Unemployed? Does 100% medical disability after a lifetime of had work
qualify?

Probably. Do you fit into any of the other categories? If you are dead, as
the sentence implies, then I suspect you may fall into several categories at
once. Or I do.

One or the other.

 

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Some linguists even interpret the shifts in England as related to
blueblood Londoners putting on airs, and that accent subsequently
catching on in other parts of the country. I suspect this last part is a
bit of a stretch, but the whole thing is an interesting thesis. I find
it fascinating to think about how people spoke in the past, and how
language has evolved. Puts a whole new perspective in the various new
inner-city lexicons and pronunciations that have developed, even in my
lifetime.

Read "The Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson.

I've written almost everything he's written. I love his very odd
combination of American and British humor. It's kind of
over-the-top-subtle.

Eric Lucas

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Ouch. You cutting wit has shamed me. I do apologise.

However, as you feel able to invade our newsgroup with crossposted
bullshit
(and imply your rules are more acceptable) I must bow to your
masterful
double standards.

Yawn.

If you spent less time trying to sling insults, you may get enough sleep
to
read through a full post.


My sleep problems are medical, and not really of any importance to
you.

I agree, they are not even slightly important or interesting to me.

On the other hand, I find it interesting you need to type out your yawning.
Most people would just yawn and continue to type.

Still, I suspect you are not most people.

 

[Eeyore]

mmeron@cars3.uchicago.edu wrote:

Lobbing missiles

The targeting was quite precise actually.

in the general direction (with a forewarning to
Pakistan) is not an "attempt to get OBL", just an attempt to show that
"something is being done".

It's still 100% more than GWB ever did.

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message

What does the USA get out of it ? Apart from terrorist attacks ?

Well, my personal feeling is that changing your foreign policy as the
result of terrorist attacks is _always_ wrong.

You'd be insane to ignore the reasons !

What reasons?

If you mean countries should adjust their policy at the whim of bombers then
I hope you never run for political office.

The US has recognised the right of the State of Israel to exist. Why
should
they stop supporting them? Supporting Israel to simply get at the Arabs
is
wrong, but why stop supporting an otherwise closely allied country?

The USA didn't give a shit about Israel until the 60s.

Not long after Israel came into accepted existence then?

 

[T Wake]

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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Yeah. I think they say 'OK' instead of 'ja'. Pretty much like you
all do, nein?


Wow. Your French is _really_ bad.

---
Funny! <G

Thanks, I try to keep things light

 

[Eeyore]

T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Kurt Ullman wrote:

So, we just all capitulate and become Muslim states?

Since when was that an option ?

It has always been an option. It will always be an option.

Is is the option with the highest chance of sucess for those who think life
is more important than way of life.

Who's threatening my way of life aside from the USA ?

Graham

 

[T Wake]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Good job he could stand on you to stay clear.


In your dreams.


Oddly, no. It may come as a shock but you, your head and turds (or any
combination) have never really played a big part in my dreams.

Is this all part of your dream sequences? Do you have trouble telling
reality from dream? From your yawning (and posts) it may be the case....


Actually, with my sleep problems I can't remember having had a dream
in almost 10 years. You do have your fun, though, don't you?

I do thanks. You were right before though, I am not interested in your
medical problems.