Jihad needs scientists

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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God Bless Fundamentalists.....
Stupid ideas appeal to stupid people.
 
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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3000 people (not all of whom were US citizens) have been killed by Islamic
terrorist attacks on the Mainland US in (shall we say 80 years). How many
have died in car accidents in that time?
The USA's Leading Causes of Death

We have here the 20 leading causes of death for the population of the United
States in 1998. These are the freshest such statistics available from the
National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

Rank Cause # of population affected

#1 - Heart Disease 724,859
#2 - Malignant Neoplasms (Cancerous Tumors) 541,532
#3 - Cerebro-Vascular (Stroke) 158,448
#4 - Bronchitis, Emphysema, Asthma 112,584
#5 - Unintentional Injury 97,835 -(1)
#6 - Pneumonia & Influenza 91,871
#7 - Diabetes 64,751
#8 - Suicide 30,575 -(2)
#9 - Nephritis 26,182
#10 - Liver Disease 25,192
#11 - Septicemia 23,731
#12 - Alzheimer Disease 22,725
#13 - Homicide and Legal Intervention 18,272 -(3)
#14 - Atherosclerosis 15,279
#15 - Hypertension 14,308
#16 - Perinatal Period 13,428
#17 - HIV 13,426
#18 - Congenital Anomalies 11,934
#19 - Benign Neoplasms (Benign Tumors) 7,933
#20 - Hernia 6,635

1 - 43% traffic-related
2 - 57% by firearm
3 - 66% by firearm


In 2000, the most common actual causes of death in the United States were
tobacco (435,000), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000), alcohol
consumption (85,000), microbial agents (e.g., influenza and pneumonia,
75,000), toxic agents (e.g., pollutants and asbestos, 55,000), motor vehicle
accidents (43,000), firearms (29,000), sexual behavior (20,000) and illicit
use of drugs (17,000).
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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They have the rough end of the deal though - the sensible ones moved to
New
Zealand.

---
I've never been there, but I'd like to go.

Everything about it seems beautiful.
Except the foreigners.
 
"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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So you see no connection between Hitler and the holocaust?


I see a connection but the same connection can be said about many people.
Your example was meant to imply that Hitler was the sole driving force for
the Holocaust. This is not the case.
It appears to have moved Germany from desire to action.
 
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
John Fields wrote:
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

In any case they'd have to overthrow EU and UK law first.

---
No big deal. You've never heard of martial law?

Martial Law can only be imposed by a conquering army or whatever.

Not true. Already in the UK the government have floated the idea of using
soldiers to provide police (RMP) in Garrison towns.

The surveillance team which assisted the shooting of the Brazillian were
partly military.

Soldiers and AFVs have deployed to Heathrow as security.

I don't recall any mention of Martial Law there.
There wasn't, however as the rest of my post said it is the thin end of the
wedge. Currently there is perfect, legitimate, policy for the use of
Military Aid to the Civil Power where soldiers can be deployed to enforce
government legislation. The fact it hasn't been used in that capacity
doesn't mean it isn't there.

Military Police patrolling civilian towns is not normal... The fact the idea
was even suggested is shocking and I am ex-Army.
 
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Nope. not good enough. If the call is suspect it can't wait a
"certain number of hours". The value is gone by the time they can
call a FISA judge.

No, nice try at a strawman, but it has nothing to do with what I'm
saying and what is provided for in FISA.

Strawman or not, the time sensitive nature of the intelligence still is
not a strong enough argument for most cases.

You better believe it is in this case.

Why?

What situation can the intelligence be so vital that the law enforcement
agency know it is going to be said but dont have time to advance request a
warrant?

However, it's provided for in FISA.

Not really relevant to me, as your country feels it can intercept my
communications at its leisure.

Then don't call anyone in the United States.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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Not sure about spelling, but I've read some very well-researched serious
scholarly linguistic articles that say that the British English accent at
the time of the American colonies was very much closer to the current New
England accent than to the current variety of British accents. It seems
speech in the "colonies" was and is much more conservative than speech in
the mother land. I don't remember what their evidence was, there are
obviously no audio tapes to compare.

It has the potential (and that dreaded "ring of truth") however the
reality is possibly very, very far from the case.

Both sets of languages have had an equal time to "evolve" into their
current form. The US has been much more influenced by immigrant
linguistics over that period than England has, so I am inclined to doubt
the validity of the claim.

I suspect both languages are equally distant from the English spoken in
(say) 1775.
Yeah, I know, those were all *exactly* the same response I had when I first
heard the thesis. But I do remember that the evidence was convincing.
Dammit all, I wish I could remember where I read/saw that. I don't expect
you to take my word for it, but to me, it really was more convincing than
I've managed to convey.


Some linguists even interpret the shifts in England as related to
blueblood Londoners putting on airs, and that accent subsequently
catching on in other parts of the country. I suspect this last part is a
bit of a stretch, but the whole thing is an interesting thesis. I find
it fascinating to think about how people spoke in the past, and how
language has evolved. Puts a whole new perspective in the various new
inner-city lexicons and pronunciations that have developed, even in my
lifetime.

Languages evolve all the time. Welsh is a good example.
Yep, that's what I find so fascinating. So, did Welsh get all the extra
consonants that would otherwise have gone with the vowels ("u") you English
stole? :^)

Eric Lucas
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

Yes.

Are you struggling with the word choice?


I have no problems with it, but you seem to.
Really.

Let us review the information.

I object to being _forced_ to carry an ID card.

You respond with comments about my driving licence - which is based on a
_choice_ I made.

Can you explain to me where _I_ have the problem understanding the word use?
I cant really see it.
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Unemployed? Does 100% medical disability after a lifetime of had work
qualify?
In the USA I think it means totally stuffed.

Graham
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:54:36 +0100, "T Wake"
usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote:


"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:29:32 -0500, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:42:54 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:



Homer J Simpson wrote:

"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote

Alternatively you could put every mosque under armed guard and
provide
them with no end of support.... :)

Or move them all to the Outer Hebrides - and the Muslims with them!

With such a wide selection to choose from, I often wonder why we have
no
prison islands.

---
You do. It's called Australia.

You could make the prisoners actually work the land and stuff.
You never know, it might do them good.

---
They certainly seem to be doing better than you lot, lately.

---
P.S. One Australian friend of mine says he'll be eternally grateful
to you for giving them Heaven and keeping Hell for yourselves.


Glad to hear it.

They have the rough end of the deal though - the sensible ones moved to
New
Zealand.

---
I've never been there, but I'd like to go.
Same here. If they would have me I would emigrate but I suspect I am too old
and not rich enough for them now :)

Everything about it seems beautiful.
Yes. And much nicer people than the Australians..... :-D
 
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"Keith" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
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Nope. not good enough. If the call is suspect it can't wait a
"certain number of hours". The value is gone by the time they can
call a FISA judge.

No, nice try at a strawman, but it has nothing to do with what I'm
saying and what is provided for in FISA.

Strawman or not, the time sensitive nature of the intelligence still
is
not a strong enough argument for most cases.

You better believe it is in this case.

Why?

What situation can the intelligence be so vital that the law enforcement
agency know it is going to be said but dont have time to advance request
a
warrant?

However, it's provided for in FISA.

Not really relevant to me, as your country feels it can intercept my
communications at its leisure.


Then don't call anyone in the United States.
I don't have to. Your country can intercept other nations to gather foreign
intelligence.
 
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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God Bless Fundamentalists.....

Stupid ideas appeal to stupid people.
Sadly true. It is a shame that stupid also tends to equate to vocal.
 
T Wake wrote:

Planes to the US are becoming a joke now, all because of four domestic
flights being taken over. How many flights take off each day?
Taken over ?

I don't think a single one has been 'taken over'.

Graham
 
"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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3000 people (not all of whom were US citizens) have been killed by
Islamic terrorist attacks on the Mainland US in (shall we say 80 years).
How many have died in car accidents in that time?

The USA's Leading Causes of Death

We have here the 20 leading causes of death for the population of the
United States in 1998. These are the freshest such statistics available
from the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.

Rank Cause # of population affected

#1 - Heart Disease 724,859
#2 - Malignant Neoplasms (Cancerous Tumors) 541,532
#3 - Cerebro-Vascular (Stroke) 158,448
#4 - Bronchitis, Emphysema, Asthma 112,584
#5 - Unintentional Injury 97,835 -(1)
#6 - Pneumonia & Influenza 91,871
#7 - Diabetes 64,751
#8 - Suicide 30,575 -(2)
#9 - Nephritis 26,182
#10 - Liver Disease 25,192
#11 - Septicemia 23,731
#12 - Alzheimer Disease 22,725
#13 - Homicide and Legal Intervention 18,272 -(3)
#14 - Atherosclerosis 15,279
#15 - Hypertension 14,308
#16 - Perinatal Period 13,428
#17 - HIV 13,426
#18 - Congenital Anomalies 11,934
#19 - Benign Neoplasms (Benign Tumors) 7,933
#20 - Hernia 6,635

1 - 43% traffic-related
2 - 57% by firearm
3 - 66% by firearm


In 2000, the most common actual causes of death in the United States were
tobacco (435,000), poor diet and physical inactivity (400,000), alcohol
consumption (85,000), microbial agents (e.g., influenza and pneumonia,
75,000), toxic agents (e.g., pollutants and asbestos, 55,000), motor
vehicle accidents (43,000), firearms (29,000), sexual behavior (20,000)
and illicit use of drugs (17,000).
I see terrorist attack doesn't make the top twenty then :) That war on
tobacco really needs to get started soon.
 
T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

The insurgent isn't automatically a terrorist.

It is a viewpoint issue. Were the July train bombers in London
insurgents
or
terrorists?

Definitely terrorists. Not insurgents in any organised way.

But they were organised.

An organised group of 5 ?

Yes.

Is there a minimum number before you can become organised?

Apart from that, who recruited them? Who trained them? Who equipped them?
Who encouraged them?
You can't conceive of the idea they did this on their own ?

Graham
 
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"T Wake" <usenet.es7at@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
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So you see no connection between Hitler and the holocaust?


I see a connection but the same connection can be said about many people.
Your example was meant to imply that Hitler was the sole driving force
for the Holocaust. This is not the case.

It appears to have moved Germany from desire to action.
Not Hitler alone and not Mein Kampf alone.
 
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Not sure about spelling, but I've read some very well-researched serious
scholarly linguistic articles that say that the British English accent
at the time of the American colonies was very much closer to the current
New England accent than to the current variety of British accents. It
seems speech in the "colonies" was and is much more conservative than
speech in the mother land. I don't remember what their evidence was,
there are obviously no audio tapes to compare.

It has the potential (and that dreaded "ring of truth") however the
reality is possibly very, very far from the case.

Both sets of languages have had an equal time to "evolve" into their
current form. The US has been much more influenced by immigrant
linguistics over that period than England has, so I am inclined to doubt
the validity of the claim.

I suspect both languages are equally distant from the English spoken in
(say) 1775.

Yeah, I know, those were all *exactly* the same response I had when I
first heard the thesis. But I do remember that the evidence was
convincing. Dammit all, I wish I could remember where I read/saw that. I
don't expect you to take my word for it, but to me, it really was more
convincing than I've managed to convey.
It would be interesting to see it.

Some linguists even interpret the shifts in England as related to
blueblood Londoners putting on airs, and that accent subsequently
catching on in other parts of the country. I suspect this last part is
a bit of a stretch, but the whole thing is an interesting thesis. I
find it fascinating to think about how people spoke in the past, and how
language has evolved. Puts a whole new perspective in the various new
inner-city lexicons and pronunciations that have developed, even in my
lifetime.

Languages evolve all the time. Welsh is a good example.

Yep, that's what I find so fascinating. So, did Welsh get all the extra
consonants that would otherwise have gone with the vowels ("u") you
English stole? :^)
Yes. It is even funnier listening to their conversation because all the
modern words are in English. So you get "bable bable Television bable bable
microwave cooker bable bable" and so on.
 
lucasea@sbcglobal.net wrote:

"Homer J Simpson" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote
lucasea@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

Some linguists even interpret the shifts in England as related to
blueblood Londoners putting on airs, and that accent subsequently
catching on in other parts of the country. I suspect this last part is a
bit of a stretch, but the whole thing is an interesting thesis. I find
it fascinating to think about how people spoke in the past, and how
language has evolved. Puts a whole new perspective in the various new
inner-city lexicons and pronunciations that have developed, even in my
lifetime.

Read "The Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson.

I've written almost everything he's written. I love his very odd
combination of American and British humor. It's kind of
over-the-top-subtle.
I like his stuff too. A curious sense of humour for sure.

Graham
 
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
Kurt Ullman wrote:

So, we just all capitulate and become Muslim states?

Since when was that an option ?

It has always been an option. It will always be an option.

Is is the option with the highest chance of sucess for those who think
life
is more important than way of life.

Who's threatening my way of life aside from the USA ?
The UK government.
 
T Wake wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote
T Wake wrote:
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote

What does the USA get out of it ? Apart from terrorist attacks ?

Well, my personal feeling is that changing your foreign policy as the
result of terrorist attacks is _always_ wrong.

You'd be insane to ignore the reasons !

What reasons?

If you mean countries should adjust their policy at the whim of bombers then
I hope you never run for political office.
Like I said. You'd be insane not to consider the why of it.

Graham
 

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