Isn't this a Contradiction in Terms? IBM Dishes Out Small,

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:00:43 -0500, "Bill Garber"
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"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:01:46 -0500, "Bill Garber"
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You may think what you like, but having used MS Windows since the
latter part of the 1980's, I feel that I know quite a lot and for you to
speak to me in such a childish tone, it would be better that you don't
respond to me at all. Thank you.

Sorry, Chucko, but you are one of those twits that likely has Win 95
running somewhere, swearing that it is fine, and not broke, therefore
in no need of fixing.

Touche! Ass-wipe! I will allow your latest post speak for itself.

Look, Dingus Con... My "latest post" speaks to the fact that your
mentality as it relates to computers is lame, at best.

It IS broke, and DOES need fixing (your brain, and Bill's OS). DOH!

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Ken Taylor wrote:

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:08 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Jeff" <levy_jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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see www.fuckmicrosoft.com

OMG! WTF is CP/M doing on the sidebar! I haven't seen that in
ten years, booting a Kaypro from one of those big 5 1/4" floppies

Tim

Big? The Dec floppies were 8". A dual drive with unibus interface used
to cost about 4 grand.

John

Eight-inch floppies?? Pffft. They'll never take off.........

Ken

WRONG! They took them off the market, years ago. ;-)
--

I say, the boy is so stupid that he tried to make a back up copy of his
hard drive on the Xerox machine!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Bill Garber]

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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:00:43 -0500, "Bill Garber"
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:01:46 -0500, "Bill Garber"
willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

You may think what you like, but having used MS Windows since the
latter part of the 1980's, I feel that I know quite a lot and for you
to
speak to me in such a childish tone, it would be better that you don't
respond to me at all. Thank you.

Sorry, Chucko, but you are one of those twits that likely has Win 95
running somewhere, swearing that it is fine, and not broke, therefore
in no need of fixing.

Touche! Ass-wipe! I will allow your latest post speak for itself.

Look, Dingus Con... My "latest post" speaks to the fact that your
mentality as it relates to computers is lame, at best.

It IS broke, and DOES need fixing (your brain, and Bill's OS). DOH!

You're right, there must be something wrong with me, to sit here
and argue with a ROCK!!!!!!!!! Duhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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[Bill Garber]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Ken Taylor wrote:

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:08 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Jeff" <levy_jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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see www.fuckmicrosoft.com

OMG! WTF is CP/M doing on the sidebar! I haven't seen that in
ten years, booting a Kaypro from one of those big 5 1/4" floppies

Tim

Big? The Dec floppies were 8". A dual drive with unibus interface used
to cost about 4 grand.

John

Eight-inch floppies?? Pffft. They'll never take off.........

Ken

WRONG! They took them off the market, years ago. ;-)
--

I say, the boy is so stupid that he tried to make a back up copy of his
hard drive on the Xerox machine!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good one Michael.

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[Michael A. Terrell]

Bill Garber wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I say, the boy is so stupid that he tried to make a back up copy of his
hard drive on the Xerox machine!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good one Michael.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)

Thanks. I just wanted to see if anyone would notice a new sig file.
;-)


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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Bill Garber]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Bill Garber wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I say, the boy is so stupid that he tried to make a back up copy of
his
hard drive on the Xerox machine!

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good one Michael.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)

Thanks. I just wanted to see if anyone would notice a new sig file.
;-)

I'm sure everyone notices, but probably not many will
respond as I did. I especially like sigs with short notations,
rather than the long drawn out same one over and over.
I won't mention any names, coz Watson A. Name anyway.

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[Iwo Mergler]

Mark Jones wrote:

In news:3fb8edb2$0$249$4d4ebb8e@read-nat.news.nl.uu.net (Iwo Mergler):

John Larkin wrote:

On 15 Nov 2003 19:06:54 -0800, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:




The Rules of Operating System Design
1) Applications must not crash the operating system.
2) APPLICATIONS MUST NOT CRASH THE OPERATING SYSTEM.


3) DATA IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.


4) STACK IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.

Iwo



You'd think, with 64-bits being the new bus architecture, that ONE of them
could be reserved to flag data, no?

As it happens, most modern processors have hardware support

for protecting stack/data against execution. Many flavours of Unix
use that.

Regards,

Iwo

 

[Baphomet]

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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snip...snip...snip...

I've always felt that a good firewall and AV system keeps me
much more secure than anything MS can make me with patches
and upgrades. As far as MS goes, they are as vulnerable, if not
moreso, as I am. I have found virus twice in their patches. Ones
downloaded directly from their site.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)

Bill -

Would you care to be a tad more specific? I have downloaded God knows how
many patches from the Microsoft Website for Win XP and none have ever
contained a virus. One time, the security patch blocked winsock and wouldn't
allow me back on line...but a virus?

 

[Ban]

Baphomet wrote:
|| I have downloaded God
|| knows how many patches from the Microsoft Website for Win XP and
|| none have ever contained a virus. One time, the security patch
|| blocked winsock and wouldn't allow me back on line...but a virus?

There were 35 hotfixes and SP1 and another hotfix for Mediaplayer.

That is what I like, a couple of MB download every week. I only know
Superspice that had a similar update rate. Those guys with a dial-up
connection have to bleed a bit to convince them to apply for DSL.

THX to Kevin and Bill.

 

[Bill Garber]

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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snip...snip...snip...

I've always felt that a good firewall and AV system keeps me
much more secure than anything MS can make me with patches
and upgrades. As far as MS goes, they are as vulnerable, if not
moreso, as I am. I have found virus twice in their patches. Ones
downloaded directly from their site.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)

Bill -

Would you care to be a tad more specific? I have downloaded God knows how
many patches from the Microsoft Website for Win XP and none have ever
contained a virus. One time, the security patch blocked winsock and
wouldn't
allow me back on line...but a virus?

I dunno about XP, as I refuse to upgrade from Win98SE as long
as it still works. I would assume as always that the 2 worms I have
encountered in Win98 updates were, uh-hum, placed there by MS
themselves in an attempt to get people to upgrade their machines
and OS to XP rated equipment. I also still use Media Player 2.0,
which BTW still can use all the codec/etc.... updates meant for
much higher versions of what I call since they passed version 3.0
the biggest piece of crap they ever wrote. Media Player has so many
damned bells and whistles now that there is no room for real usable
code.

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[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:51:00 -0500, "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

I would assume as always that the 2 worms I have
encountered in Win98 updates were, uh-hum, placed there by MS
themselves in an attempt to get people to upgrade their machines
and OS to XP rated equipment.

More utter stupidity from the total IT twit.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:51:00 -0500, "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

I also still use Media Player 2.0,
which BTW still can use all the codec/etc.... updates meant for
much higher versions of what I call since they passed version 3.0
the biggest piece of crap they ever wrote. Media Player has so many
damned bells and whistles now that there is no room for real usable
code.

Do you know anything about computers at all?

 

[Baphomet]

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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snip...snip...snip...

I've always felt that a good firewall and AV system keeps me
much more secure than anything MS can make me with patches
and upgrades. As far as MS goes, they are as vulnerable, if not
moreso, as I am. I have found virus twice in their patches. Ones
downloaded directly from their site.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)

Bill -

Would you care to be a tad more specific? I have downloaded God knows
how
many patches from the Microsoft Website for Win XP and none have ever
contained a virus. One time, the security patch blocked winsock and
wouldn't
allow me back on line...but a virus?

I dunno about XP, as I refuse to upgrade from Win98SE as long
as it still works. I would assume as always that the 2 worms I have
encountered in Win98 updates were, uh-hum, placed there by MS
themselves in an attempt to get people to upgrade their machines
and OS to XP rated equipment. I also still use Media Player 2.0,
which BTW still can use all the codec/etc.... updates meant for
much higher versions of what I call since they passed version 3.0
the biggest piece of crap they ever wrote. Media Player has so many
damned bells and whistles now that there is no room for real usable
code.

Gosh Bill -

I think you're being just a bit paranoid. While Bill Gates may be a
predatory capitalist in the finest traditions of classic Americana, I
sincerely doubt that Microsoft would stoop so low as to deliberately
introduce viruses into their security patches, regardless of their desire
that people upgrade their operating system. As a practical matter, given the
intense governmental scrutiny (both here and abroad) of some of their more
invidious practices, this would be a suicide mission for Microsoft and Gates
ain't stupid. Security lax yes, but stupid...never!

 

[Bill Garber]

"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Baphomet" <fandaDEATH2SPAMMERS@catskill.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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snip...snip...snip...

I dunno about XP, as I refuse to upgrade from Win98SE as long
as it still works. I would assume as always that the 2 worms I have
encountered in Win98 updates were, uh-hum, placed there by MS
themselves in an attempt to get people to upgrade their machines
and OS to XP rated equipment. I also still use Media Player 2.0,
which BTW still can use all the codec/etc.... updates meant for
much higher versions of what I call since they passed version 3.0
the biggest piece of crap they ever wrote. Media Player has so many
damned bells and whistles now that there is no room for real usable
code.

Gosh Bill -

I think you're being just a bit paranoid. While Bill Gates may be a
predatory capitalist in the finest traditions of classic Americana, I
sincerely doubt that Microsoft would stoop so low as to deliberately
introduce viruses into their security patches, regardless of their desire
that people upgrade their operating system. As a practical matter, given
the
intense governmental scrutiny (both here and abroad) of some of their more
invidious practices, this would be a suicide mission for Microsoft and
Gates
ain't stupid. Security lax yes, but stupid...never!

Just a bit paranoid, maybe, at least that is what my Psychiatrist
keeps saying. Although I agree that it would be rather stupid on
their part to introduce any type of sabotage software into their
own system, I live by the old adage, "Trust No One". Really?,
since when would the government scrutinize one of the largest
forms of revenue they have available, big corporations? I had read
somewhere that in May of 1976 Bill Gates was quoted to have
said that software is stolen more often than purchased and something
needs to be done to prevent this. Isn't that a good reason to ensure
that people use newly purchased software rather than updated old
versions? He was also quoted as saying that hardware must be
purchased as no one would be willing to build a computer from
scratch from parts they found, but then again, that is being done
all the time. Anyway, it seems that most of the viruses offered
within emails or posts is soon followed up by ads asking you to
try out a new version of antivirus software. Could it be the people
who are marketing the wares? With all the ways companies have
come up with to market their goods, why not? Let's make it necessary
for people to need new AV wares. Very difficult to discern the truth
anymore, don't you agree?

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[Fred Abse]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:14:51 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

It's HaaahVaaaard ;-)

Thought you were an MIT man

--
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(Garrison Keillor)
nofr@sbhevre.pbzchyvax.pb.hx

 

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <8jsirvosjbjuo8e2leci14vdb4ufnvups5@4ax.com>,
invalid@invalid.invalid says...

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:33:10 +1000, "Adrian Jansen"
qqv@noqqwhere.com> wrote:

That is called Havard architecture, and its still in common use. See Atmel
AVR processor range.

It's HaaahVaaaard ;-)

There ain't no 'r' in HaaaVaaahd!

--
Keith

 

[DarkMatter]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:40:43 -0500, Keith R. Williams
<krw@attglobal.net> Gave us:

In article <8jsirvosjbjuo8e2leci14vdb4ufnvups5@4ax.com>,
invalid@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:33:10 +1000, "Adrian Jansen"
qqv@noqqwhere.com> wrote:

That is called Havard architecture, and its still in common use. See Atmel
AVR processor range.

It's HaaahVaaaard ;-)

There ain't no 'r' in HaaaVaaahd!

There is no stretched second syllable either.

It's Haaaavahd.

 

[Baphomet]

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote in message
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snip...snip...snip...

I dunno about XP, as I refuse to upgrade from Win98SE as long
as it still works. I would assume as always that the 2 worms I have
encountered in Win98 updates were, uh-hum, placed there by MS
themselves in an attempt to get people to upgrade their machines
and OS to XP rated equipment. I also still use Media Player 2.0,
which BTW still can use all the codec/etc.... updates meant for
much higher versions of what I call since they passed version 3.0
the biggest piece of crap they ever wrote. Media Player has so many
damned bells and whistles now that there is no room for real usable
code.

Gosh Bill -

I think you're being just a bit paranoid. While Bill Gates may be a
predatory capitalist in the finest traditions of classic Americana, I
sincerely doubt that Microsoft would stoop so low as to deliberately
introduce viruses into their security patches, regardless of their
desire
that people upgrade their operating system. As a practical matter, given
the
intense governmental scrutiny (both here and abroad) of some of their
more
invidious practices, this would be a suicide mission for Microsoft and
Gates
ain't stupid. Security lax yes, but stupid...never!

Just a bit paranoid, maybe, at least that is what my Psychiatrist
keeps saying. Although I agree that it would be rather stupid on
their part to introduce any type of sabotage software into their
own system, I live by the old adage, "Trust No One". Really?,
since when would the government scrutinize one of the largest
forms of revenue they have available, big corporations?

Standard Oil, A.T.T., Microsoft, Enron, World Com, and currently the NY
Stock Exchange and Mutual Funds.....

These are but a few of the trust busts and or investigations into corporate
coruption. Given the political structure of this country, it's amazing that
this is done at all...but in spite of overwhelming pressures to the
contrary, the right thing is done on occasion.

I had read somewhere that in May of 1976 Bill Gates was quoted to have
said that software is stolen more often than purchased and something
needs to be done to prevent this. Isn't that a good reason to ensure
that people use newly purchased software rather than updated old
versions?

Absolutely agreed. I doubt Gates has ever denied that he is in the business
of selling software. Just yesterday, it was announced that Microsoft was
going into the music download business.With XP, in case of a system crash
which requires a reload, you have to get in touch with Microsoft for their
blessing. This, I assume, is done to prevent software piracy. This doesn't
mean I approve of the tactic.

He was also quoted as saying that hardware must be
purchased as no one would be willing to build a computer from
scratch from parts they found, but then again, that is being done
all the time.

Famous quotes from the past:

Bill Gates said that nobody would ever need more than 64K of RAM

Einstein said that nuclear energy would be so cheap, it wouldn't have to be
metered.

Anyway, it seems that most of the viruses offered
within emails or posts is soon followed up by ads asking you to
try out a new version of antivirus software. Could it be the people
who are marketing the wares? With all the ways companies have
come up with to market their goods, why not? Let's make it necessary
for people to need new AV wares. Very difficult to discern the truth
anymore, don't you agree?

I don't mean to suggest that scams don't exist. Take the case of the
autoglass replacement outfit in Brookly, NY that went around busting car
windows so they could replace them.

And then there are the folks who exploit software (e.g. Messenger) to
present annoying popups and then sell the software to remedy this. I still
believe that it is self proclaimed security experts who discover Microsoft
vulnerabilites to provide guaranteed job security. The security flaws are
just too obscure for the average black hat hacker.

Often, it is difficult to discern fact from fiction and sometimes the level
of hypocrisy is so great, one needs a pair of hip boots just to go outside
to smell the roses.

 

[Baphomet]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:40:43 -0500, Keith R. Williams
krw@attglobal.net> Gave us:

In article <8jsirvosjbjuo8e2leci14vdb4ufnvups5@4ax.com>,
invalid@invalid.invalid says...
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:33:10 +1000, "Adrian Jansen"
qqv@noqqwhere.com> wrote:

That is called Havard architecture, and its still in common use. See
Atmel
AVR processor range.

It's HaaahVaaaard ;-)

There ain't no 'r' in HaaaVaaahd!

There is no stretched second syllable either.

You had to be there!

> It's Haaaavahd.

 

[Chuck Harris]

Baphomet wrote:>

Famous quotes from the past:

Bill Gates said that nobody would ever need more than 64K of RAM

Einstein said that nuclear energy would be so cheap, it wouldn't have to be
metered.

Nope, it wasn't Einstein, it was Lewis Strauss (pronounced "straws"
damnit!) Chairman of the old Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) that
said that nuclear energy would be "too cheap to meter". 1954 as I
recall.

He spent his life making sure that he was wrong.

-Chuck