Isn't this a Contradiction in Terms? IBM Dishes Out Small,

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 09:33:50 +1100, "Damien" <nomail@nowhere> Gave us:

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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What are you doing on your "always crashing" box?

Starting it! Before I've even had a chance to log on, it just blue screens,
and starts dumping memory. Not a lot to be done when it does that!

Damien

Did it ever occur to you that failing to boot points toward a
hardware issue?

 

[Tim Auton]

"Tom Del Rosso" <tdnews01@att.net.invalid> wrote:

In news:nmEtb.35460$hV.1367664@news2.tin.it,
Ban typed:
I cannot imagine a better idea than what BGates had, to create a
common OS-interface for all apps.

Idea that WHO had??? Maybe Steve Jobs or maybe somebody at Xerox, but
it definitely wasn't Bill's idea.

Quite, I'm not even sure what Ben meant. If he meant a system API then
they've been around as long as operating systems. If he meant standard
GUI widgets then I imagine Xerox got there first, but perhaps it was
Apple or whatever the first wm for XWindows was. If he means that
everybody uses Windows then that's not a common OS-interface at all,
it's exclusive to Windows *and* it's changed!


Tim
--
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great
storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
- The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

 

[DarkMatter]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:29:00 -0500, "Mike Cukr" <cukr@massnet1.net>
Gave us:

Have to keep that in mind, thanks. BTW, I can go to DOS box and
rename a bunch of similar filenames in 8.3 format to a different name,
like xxx123 and xxx124 to yyy123 and yyy124, etc.
Like c:> REN xxx*.ext yyy*.ext

But how does one do this in windows, with longer filenames? Does it
require a utility? Thanks.

snip

Try quoting the file names ie

ren "xxx*.ext" "yyy*.ext"

Not a valid DOS action.

otherwise the file names get mangled into 8.3 format. That
should work unless the combined file name and path length
exceeds 128 chars---the whole thing is a PITA.

The command you specified does not do what you claim it does.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:41:35 -0500, "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

skip all the updates, upgrades, and patches. I find they crash
my system more than if I simply use the base system from the
installation CD. If the original recognizes all your hardware,
then you need no upgrades or patches. If it doesn't, then your
hardware should have come with a driver disk. Be sure to use
the original OEM installation CD, not a copy. Copies will not
work properly.

You are devoid of any knowledge on the subject, and should refrain
from "contributing".

 

[Tim Auton]

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:06:58 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> Gave us:
[snip]
Acrobat reader occasionally locks up though even in XP, so I disabled the
.PDF browser plugin, and it works much better that way. Can only have one
.PDF open at a time then, however.

I guess we're stuck with it though, huh. Bugs and all.

Mozilla or Firebird. The problem isn't acrobat. It's Billy's
Browser... Patches and all.

Although Mozilla is certainly superior (how did I ever live without
tabbed browsing and popup blocking?) I still find Acrobat plays silly
buggers with it. It doesn't take the browser with it when it dies, but
it still freezes with distressing regularity.


Tim
--
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great
storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
- The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

 

[Tim Auton]

Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[snip]

Have to keep that in mind, thanks. BTW, I can go to DOS box and
rename a bunch of similar filenames in 8.3 format to a different name,
like xxx123 and xxx124 to yyy123 and yyy124, etc.
Like c:> REN xxx*.ext yyy*.ext

But how does one do this in windows, with longer filenames? Does it
require a utility? Thanks.

You could try xcopy or xcopy32 but I think they bugger up the long
filenames in a subtle way. You should look at getting the Cygwin
compiled versions of the GNU *nix file utilities and use cp in a
decent shell, like you would on a proper computer. It's *so* nice
having a bash (or tcsh or whatever) shell on a Windows box, you can
actually use your Windows computer to automate repetitive tasks!

www.cygwin.com


Tim
--
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a
thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great
storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble.
- The Book of Mozilla, 3:31

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:3fb8edb2$0$249$4d4ebb8e@read-nat.news.nl.uu.net (Iwo Mergler):

John Larkin wrote:
On 15 Nov 2003 19:06:54 -0800, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:



The Rules of Operating System Design
1) Applications must not crash the operating system.
2) APPLICATIONS MUST NOT CRASH THE OPERATING SYSTEM.


3) DATA IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.


4) STACK IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.

Iwo

You'd think, with 64-bits being the new bus architecture, that ONE of them
could be reserved to flag data, no?

 

[Robert Baer]

Mark Jones wrote:

In news:3fb8edb2$0$249$4d4ebb8e@read-nat.news.nl.uu.net (Iwo Mergler):
John Larkin wrote:
On 15 Nov 2003 19:06:54 -0800, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:



The Rules of Operating System Design
1) Applications must not crash the operating system.
2) APPLICATIONS MUST NOT CRASH THE OPERATING SYSTEM.


3) DATA IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.


4) STACK IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.

Iwo

You'd think, with 64-bits being the new bus architecture, that ONE of them
could be reserved to flag data, no?

How about a CPU re-design: one memory bank for programs, one for data?
It has been done before; there was a micro made by Signetics that did
that (CP/M and Altair daze).

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:MPG.1a22687a55246109989946@news.dslextreme.com (Watson A.Name -
Watt Sun, Dark Remover):

In article <W5adnRdD-NVZaSqiRVn-gg@buckeye-express.com>, "Mark Jones"
127.0.0.1> mentioned...
In news:bunfrvsd106vg5lnrlha5hc6iq0mtbp2j1@4ax.com (Spehro Pefhany):
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 15:43:39 +0000, the renowned John Woodgate
jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:


Yes, I find Acrobat (5.0.5) to be troublesome. It grabs huge chunks
of memory for no reason, screws up the icons on the desktop
(replacing the little arrow on short-cut icons with something
indecipherable) and generally shows instability.

If you kill it in the task manager and restart it, you can get around
most of that stuff without rebooting.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany


Just an aside, I've never had to terminate the LizardTech .DjVu viewer
process, nor the encoder.

But the viewer is a plug-in.

Precisely, and it doesn't crash. The PDF reader is a stand-alone
application, which is integrated into the browser with a plugin. Perhaps if
..PDF was only a plugin, then it might work better. Or Adobe might take more
interest in the crashing issue.

Every time I upgrade Mozilla (which is about once a month lately), it
says it removed those plug-ins. So I got tired of putting Djvu back
in, and besides, I almost never have to use it anyway. Except for
some diehards here who won't go to .PDFs.

I have a lot of PDF's and .DjVu's. I spent a lot of time compiling .DjVu's
to get the best quality and smallest filesize, usually 2x to 13x smaller
than .PDF, at little if any visual quality loss. Yes it may not be the most
popular format, but last I checked, this *is* still a free country, and I
can use any format I see fit. I'm not trying to be a jerk about it, but
other's problems with the viewer are not my problem. I always share whatever
files I have available, .PDF or .DjVu, and contribute where I can - and I'm
not trying to promote .DjVu over .PDF, merely utilize its superior
compression when applicable. I'm sorry Mozilla browser doesn't like the
plugin; and of course you're free to use any browser you like. Maybe if we
asked Mozilla nicely, they could "fix" whatever is causing the problem,
unless of course it is a "feature by design" (ala Microsoft...)

Acrobat reader occasionally locks up though even in XP, so I disabled
the .PDF browser plugin, and it works much better that way. Can only
have one .PDF open at a time then, however.

I notice that when I end the ACRORD32 task, it sometimes comes up as
the full program instead of the plug-in. Which I like, because it
doesn't have the lock-up problem.

Still, after the SIXTH revision, you'd think they would get a compatible
browser plugin. Wether it is IE's/Mozilla's/Netscape's fault or not!

I guess we're stuck with it though, huh, bugs and all.

Maybe it's the OS causing the prob, not the reader. )

With everyone having the same problem, using the 4th, 5th, or 6th version
of the reader? Hummph! ;-)

 

[Mark Jones]

In news:3hrhrvk9h9kgff7rt4o0bm5er3ddl9p3h5@4ax.com (DarkMatter):

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:29:00 -0500, "Mike Cukr" <cukr@massnet1.net
Gave us:

Have to keep that in mind, thanks. BTW, I can go to DOS box and
rename a bunch of similar filenames in 8.3 format to a different name,
like xxx123 and xxx124 to yyy123 and yyy124, etc.
Like c:> REN xxx*.ext yyy*.ext

But how does one do this in windows, with longer filenames? Does it
require a utility? Thanks.

snip

Try quoting the file names ie

ren "xxx*.ext" "yyy*.ext"

Not a valid DOS action.


otherwise the file names get mangled into 8.3 format. That
should work unless the combined file name and path length
exceeds 128 chars---the whole thing is a PITA.


The command you specified does not do what you claim it does.

...And what is the correct command?

 

[Bill Garber]

"Tim Auton" <tim.auton@uton.[group sex without the y on the end]> wrote in
message news:jtqhrvcgejs4ohs6l36u7ifcvl7f4cjl2n@4ax.com...

"Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote:
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:W6bwIFBCBIu$EwVw@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that Bill Garber
willy46pa@comcast.net> wrote (in <ZYydnT69x_VQtCWi4p2dnA@comcast.com&gt
about 'Isn't this a Contradiction in Terms? IBM Dishes Out Small, Low-
Power Supercomputer', on Sun, 16 Nov 2003:

If it's windows, simply reinstall it over the present installation.

How do you re-install all the upgrades and patches? I had to do it once
and it took 6 hours to get all the stuff from the Net to fix the
original files from the CD-ROM.

I skip all the updates, upgrades, and patches. I find they crash
my system more than if I simply use the base system from the
installation CD. If the original recognizes all your hardware,
then you need no upgrades or patches.

If you don't care about security then you can ignore the patches. I
take it you have a substantial firewall and up-to-date anti-virus
software. An unpatched Windows box on the net is wide open.

I've always felt that a good firewall and AV system keeps me
much more secure than anything MS can make me with patches
and upgrades. As far as MS goes, they are as vulnerable, if not
moreso, as I am. I have found virus twice in their patches. Ones
downloaded directly from their site.

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[Bill Garber]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:41:35 -0500, "Bill Garber"
willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

skip all the updates, upgrades, and patches. I find they crash
my system more than if I simply use the base system from the
installation CD. If the original recognizes all your hardware,
then you need no upgrades or patches. If it doesn't, then your
hardware should have come with a driver disk. Be sure to use
the original OEM installation CD, not a copy. Copies will not
work properly.

You are devoid of any knowledge on the subject, and should refrain
from "contributing".

You may think what you like, but having used MS Windows since the
latter part of the 1980's, I feel that I know quite a lot and for you to
speak to me in such a childish tone, it would be better that you don't
respond to me at all. Thank you.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:23:52 +0000, Tim Auton <tim.auton@uton.[group
sex without the y on the end]> Gave us:

DarkMatter <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:06:58 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> Gave us:
[snip]
Acrobat reader occasionally locks up though even in XP, so I disabled the
.PDF browser plugin, and it works much better that way. Can only have one
.PDF open at a time then, however.

I guess we're stuck with it though, huh. Bugs and all.

Mozilla or Firebird. The problem isn't acrobat. It's Billy's
Browser... Patches and all.

Although Mozilla is certainly superior (how did I ever live without
tabbed browsing and popup blocking?) I still find Acrobat plays silly
buggers with it. It doesn't take the browser with it when it dies, but
it still freezes with distressing regularity.


Tim

Funny how previous to the 6.0 version, a pdf file was a raw bit map
with no script features. I learn recently that they re attempting to
embrace active pages.

This is a bad move, IMHO. Probably the root cause of an app that
used to work not working is some new blood in their clic, leading them
down "new paths". I like KISS myself.

I STILL use print to file features. A dot prn file can be piped to
the printer it was generated for with a simple batch file/DOS command.

dot prn files cannot be altered either, so they actually become
fairly good archives of a piece of work. The problem is that they are
printer specific.

It took me a while to figure out how to handle dot prn files. The
DOS copy command is required to pipe the file to the printer.

I suppose that one could make one's own print spooler variant in
this manner.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:21:45 -0500, "Mark Jones" <127.0.0.1> Gave us:

In news:3hrhrvk9h9kgff7rt4o0bm5er3ddl9p3h5@4ax.com (DarkMatter):
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:29:00 -0500, "Mike Cukr" <cukr@massnet1.net
Gave us:

Have to keep that in mind, thanks. BTW, I can go to DOS box and
rename a bunch of similar filenames in 8.3 format to a different name,
like xxx123 and xxx124 to yyy123 and yyy124, etc.
Like c:> REN xxx*.ext yyy*.ext

But how does one do this in windows, with longer filenames? Does it
require a utility? Thanks.

snip

Try quoting the file names ie

ren "xxx*.ext" "yyy*.ext"

Not a valid DOS action.


otherwise the file names get mangled into 8.3 format. That
should work unless the combined file name and path length
exceeds 128 chars---the whole thing is a PITA.


The command you specified does not do what you claim it does.


...And what is the correct command?


One must use a third party search and replace applet, or write a

batch routine to do it.

AFAIR, that is disallowed in DOS as it is very arbitrary and
dangerous to the system, should one recurse through the system
directories.

I doubt their is a DOS command from an off the shelf DOS type OS
that will do it.

Now, there my be a third party command processor that does it.

 

[DarkMatter]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:01:46 -0500, "Bill Garber"
<willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

You may think what you like, but having used MS Windows since the
latter part of the 1980's, I feel that I know quite a lot and for you to
speak to me in such a childish tone, it would be better that you don't
respond to me at all. Thank you.

Sorry, Chucko, but you are one of those twits that likely has Win 95
running somewhere, swearing that it is fine, and not broke, therefore
in no need of fixing.

What do you think the patches are? What is their purpose?

Ever heard of a back door? Many of windows patches are for security
reasons, dufus.

Also, we can update install disks nowadays such that they contain
all patches desired, and install them upon re-installation of a
system.

Where you as into this as your claimed experience should have you,
you would know that, and would never have made such an ignorant remark
as that which you did.

You do know what the word ignorant means, right?

As far as my remarks being childish... they are not. You should
refrain from attempting to contribute.

 

[Bill Garber]

"DarkMatter" <DarkMatter@thebarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:kucirvk09mt9cr7u0vua18hnm9shdns1us@4ax.com...

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:01:46 -0500, "Bill Garber"
willy46pa@comcast.net> Gave us:

You may think what you like, but having used MS Windows since the
latter part of the 1980's, I feel that I know quite a lot and for you to
speak to me in such a childish tone, it would be better that you don't
respond to me at all. Thank you.

Sorry, Chucko, but you are one of those twits that likely has Win 95
running somewhere, swearing that it is fine, and not broke, therefore
in no need of fixing.

Touche! Ass-wipe! I will allow your latest post speak for itself.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprizez };-)
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[Tom Del Rosso]

In news:MPG.1a21589ca5e4bf10989939@news.dslextreme.com,
Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover typed:

Have to keep that in mind, thanks. BTW, I can go to DOS box and
rename a bunch of similar filenames in 8.3 format to a different name,
like xxx123 and xxx124 to yyy123 and yyy124, etc.
Like c:> REN xxx*.ext yyy*.ext

But how does one do this in windows, with longer filenames? Does it
require a utility? Thanks.

It reqires a utility that I've never seen yet.

Do you remember Lotus Magellan? It was an extension to the DOS kernel
that allowed wildcards even in the drive letter and directory names of
path names. The next version of DOS was not compatible with it for some
reason.


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[Adrian Jansen]

That is called Havard architecture, and its still in common use. See Atmel
AVR processor range.

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J & K MicroSystems
Microcomputer solutions for industrial control
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Mark Jones wrote:

In news:3fb8edb2$0$249$4d4ebb8e@read-nat.news.nl.uu.net (Iwo Mergler):
John Larkin wrote:
On 15 Nov 2003 19:06:54 -0800, jeffm_@email.com (JeffM) wrote:



The Rules of Operating System Design
1) Applications must not crash the operating system.
2) APPLICATIONS MUST NOT CRASH THE OPERATING SYSTEM.


3) DATA IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.


4) STACK IS NOT INSTRUCTIONS.

Iwo

You'd think, with 64-bits being the new bus architecture, that ONE of
them
could be reserved to flag data, no?

How about a CPU re-design: one memory bank for programs, one for data?
It has been done before; there was a micro made by Signetics that did
that (CP/M and Altair daze).

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:33:10 +1000, "Adrian Jansen"
<qqv@noqqwhere.com> wrote:

That is called Havard architecture, and its still in common use. See Atmel
AVR processor range.

It's HaaahVaaaard ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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[Ken Taylor]

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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:08 -0600, "Tim Williams"
tmoranwms@charter.net> wrote:

"Jeff" <levy_jeff@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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see www.fuckmicrosoft.com

OMG! WTF is CP/M doing on the sidebar! I haven't seen that in
ten years, booting a Kaypro from one of those big 5 1/4" floppies

Tim

Big? The Dec floppies were 8". A dual drive with unibus interface used
to cost about 4 grand.

John

Eight-inch floppies?? Pffft. They'll never take off.........

Ken