Is there a requirement for phones to be able to dial if the

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit cock sucker desperately cowering behind
The Family <someone@somewhere.com> desperately attempted
to bullshit and lie its way out of its predicament in message
news:41f125a8$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

No wonder it has to resort to sucking cocks.

 

[Kwyjibo]

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E59EFD4BFssss@130.133.1.4...


Pity the facts don't seem to back up your piece of fiction.

http://tinyurl.com/3oant


Gotta admire your propensity to troll for so-called facts that back your
case - even when they're misquoted by a newspaper via someone who heard
someone say something to a pollie.

The facts regarding the outages are indisputable. They happened.

Worst of all, you quote from a newspaper column that's well over 2 years
old.

And at least 7 years after privatisation......

To quote you, yes, it does take time to fix badly managed power systems.
Fortunately, private operators can usually build peaking power stations
with good capacity in less than a year.

Funny how it took them over 8 years and enormous amounts of government
pressure to do it though. Sort of blows your argument about private
efficiency out of the water, doesn't it.

I recall governments taking 10
years to perform similar 'feats.'

I don't recall *any* power shortages while the SECV was running the show.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years

Amid screams of outrage from the private suppliers....
We also now have the most ineffient, polluting power station in Australia
(hazelwood) running 24/7 when it was only brought online during peak months
when the SECV was running things. This station, which is only about 25%
efficient, was scheduled for retirement in 2005 under the SECV but,
surprise-surprise, the now private owners reckon they can keep it running
for another 10+ years. If the thing is using at least twice as much fuel as
it needs to, how is that helping to increase efficiency of private
companies?

and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of
supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Correct. It didn't cost the government a cent. It cost the consumers plenty
though in higher tarrifs.

--

Kwyj.

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

 

[chris]

I thought it would be easy to run a 12v charger to a gelcel and when you
lose power to plug the 12v ajst adapter to the phone...

Now.. im after schematics for a linear amp in uhf and or for lazer
listening device
cheers
gibbo


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Has anyone come up with a simple mini-UPS solution for this type of
situation? The plugpack puts out 9VDC @350mA.

Yep. There are several 240V systems in stores like DSE and Jaycar.
They're relatively expensive compared with some simple DC systems that are
also readily available.

If all else fails, build one yourself. Appropriate rechargeable
batteries, wiring and a plug pack (it sounds like you already own the
latter) should do the trick.

 

[The Family]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what
happened with the privatised gas industry in Vic when it went bang.

Victoria has always had a private gas production industry, which is where
the bang happened. It was never "privatised." Yep, heads rolled out of
that and the producers paid big-time. But guess what, it didn't cost the
govt a heap.

Disasters happen, whether public or private. And, as the chair of the board
of inquiry for the Longford disaster said after apportioning blame, "this
complex industry still has much to learn."

It's far too complex to be placed in government hands. Not even Gough or
Jim Cairns privatised the gas production industry, you notice. Too big,
complex expensive and risky to use taxpayer money for backing that sort of
stuff.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of
supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Pity about what it costs the consumer in higher power charges.

Consumers in Vic and SA are now paying the true cost. Not some dodgy
govt-subsidised pricing that requires someone, somewhere to be robbed in
order to prop up the political agenda. Sooner or later, probably sooner,
people in NSW and Qld will pay for the folly of non-market pricing.

 

[The Family]

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E68D924A7C0ssss@130.133.1.4...

I recall governments taking 10
years to perform similar 'feats.'


I don't recall *any* power shortages while the SECV was running the show.

What was their true cost of generation? Truth is, they were way
over-invested for the demand at the time.

One of the reasons for the Vic financial squeeze.

The market turned about 5 years ago for several reasons, including strong
economic growth, and with it the revival of moribund Vic industries.
Importantly, consumers took a shine to R/C air conditioning in a big way.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years

Amid screams of outrage from the private suppliers....

SOME suppliers. Several were delighted to take advantage of the market
opportunity by investing in capacity.

We also now have the most ineffient, polluting power station in Australia
(hazelwood) running 24/7

Yeah, it's a pity the Vics have never managed to wean themselves off brown
coal. Blame the Latrobe Valley unions.

when it was only brought online during peak months when the SECV was
running things.

Hopeless inefficiency on the part of SECV. Should have used gas for peaking
but the Latrobe Valleyt unions won that round.

This station, which is only about 25%
efficient, was scheduled for retirement in 2005 under the SECV but,
surprise-surprise, the now private owners reckon they can keep it running
for another 10+ years.

Why on earth build a power station, woefully under-utilise it, then plan it
for premature retirement. A bit like buying a car to drive on the weekend
only then selling after a couple of years - a waste. Thank goodness it's
now being properly utilised.

If the thing is using at least twice as much fuel as
it needs to, how is that helping to increase efficiency of private
companies?

It's increasing their CAPITAL efficiency. sigh. Note also that the coal
mines are now running with much lower labour costs - so the price of Latrobe
Valley fuel has fallen sharply. That's why some so-called uneconomic power
stations are now economic.

and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of
supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Correct. It didn't cost the government a cent. It cost the consumers
plenty
though in higher tarrifs.

Yep. The real world. Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL
well below tariffs in most OECD countries. That includes both Govt-owned,
privately-owned and co-operatively owned systems. The privately owned
sectors of our system are actually pretty good, despite the headlines that
the wingers sponsor in the press.

 

[Kwyjibo]

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what
happened with the privatised gas industry in Vic when it went bang.


Victoria has always had a private gas production industry, which is
where the bang happened. It was never "privatised."

Correct but it was severely restructured by Kennet, effectively privatising
the regulation of the industry. That, combined with massive reductions in
WorkCare inspections led to Esso doing what private companies do best -
Putting profits before all else, including safety.

Yep, heads rolled
out of that and the producers paid big-time.

A pitance when compared to the profits they reap from their virtual
monopoly.

But guess what, it didn't cost the govt a heap.

Like fuck it didn't.
How much did the federal government lose in lost taxes due to halted
production - not just in the gas industry but all the other industries
that were affected? How much did the Vic government spend on a royal
commision and a supreme court hearing? How much has WorkCover payed out in
compensation?

Disasters happen, whether public or private.

Funny how they never happened until the industry was restructured and
government safety inspections cut. Privatisation is one thing, but
government regulation and inspection should still be the norm for
essential services.

And, as the chair of the
board of inquiry for the Longford disaster said after apportioning
blame, "this complex industry still has much to learn."

It's far too complex to be placed in government hands.

Absolute crap. Telstra is a far more complex industry and has been running
relatively smoothly compared to Esso. When was the last time that an
entire state lost all of its telecommunications for a couple of weeks?

Not even Gough
or Jim Cairns privatised the gas production industry, you notice. Too
big, complex expensive and risky to use taxpayer money for backing that
sort of stuff.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves
of supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Pity about what it costs the consumer in higher power charges.

Consumers in Vic and SA are now paying the true cost.

Bullshit.
Under the SECV we were paying for one beaurocracy. Now we are paying for 5
of them. Not to mention the overheads of each of the firms they
subcontract their work to. Add to that the governments expenses in
overseeing the industry and we are paying through the nose for shit that
wouldn't be needed if it was back in government hands and being run by a
single entity.

Not some dodgy govt-subsidised pricing that requires someone, somewhere
to be robbed in order to prop up the political agenda.

Where as now everyone, everywhere is being robbed by a larger amount to
line the pockets of people whos job it is to cut corners and put public
safety at risk.

Sooner or later, probably sooner, people in NSW and Qld will pay for the
folly of non-market pricing.

They've managed to do pretty well for the last 10 or so years. No 'folly'
there.



--

Kwyj.

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

 

[Kwyjibo]

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E68D924A7C0ssss@130.133.1.4...
I recall governments taking 10
years to perform similar 'feats.'


I don't recall *any* power shortages while the SECV was running the
show.


What was their true cost of generation?

Not as high as you think. Extra generators were only brought online when
demand required it. True, you had an initial capital expense but that is a
minor factor in the cost of producing power.

Truth is, they were way
over-invested for the demand at the time.

It's the way any infrastructure should be designed, whether it's for power,
phones or even a LAN. You determine your mean requirements then add in
headroom to allow for peak demands. Exactly what the SECV had. The private
providers let growing demand eat into the headroom until the demand
exceeded their ability to supply, then it was a massive race to get the
capacity increased.

Stupid way of running a business.

One of the reasons for the Vic financial squeeze.

Wrong. the Vic financial squeeze was caused by Cain/Kerner giving into
every union demand so that pay rises were outstripping the CPI by about
50%. That and some extremely dodgy decisions (Pyramid tax, anyone??) nearly
brought the state to its knees.

The market turned about 5 years ago for several reasons, including
strong economic growth, and with it the revival of moribund Vic
industries. Importantly, consumers took a shine to R/C air conditioning
in a big way.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years

Amid screams of outrage from the private suppliers....

SOME suppliers.

MOST suppliers.

Several were delighted to take advantage of the market
opportunity by investing in capacity.

And they were in a very small minority.

We also now have the most ineffient, polluting power station in
Australia (hazelwood) running 24/7

Yeah, it's a pity the Vics have never managed to wean themselves off
brown coal. Blame the Latrobe Valley unions.

The brown coal is not the problem. The inefficient design is the main cause
of the inefficiency. It's a 50 year old design. The newer stations are a
lot better in that regard.

when it was only brought online during peak months when the SECV was
running things.

Hopeless inefficiency on the part of SECV. Should have used gas for
peaking but the Latrobe Valleyt unions won that round.

This station, which is only about 25%
efficient, was scheduled for retirement in 2005 under the SECV but,
surprise-surprise, the now private owners reckon they can keep it
running for another 10+ years.

Why on earth build a power station, woefully under-utilise it, then plan
it for premature retirement. A bit like buying a car to drive on the
weekend only then selling after a couple of years - a waste.

Because it's a lemon, and 40 years service is hardly what I would class as
'underutilised'

Thank
goodness it's now being properly utilised.

It's just the fuel that's not........

If the thing is using at least twice as much fuel as
it needs to, how is that helping to increase efficiency of private
companies?


It's increasing their CAPITAL efficiency. sigh. Note also that the
coal mines are now running with much lower labour costs - so the price
of Latrobe Valley fuel has fallen sharply. That's why some so-called
uneconomic power stations are now economic.

So we are running on cheaper fuel, burnt in power stations that are already
paid for - yet our tarrifs continue to rise?
Try explaining that in a sentence that doesn't contain the word 'ripoff'...

and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of
supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Correct. It didn't cost the government a cent. It cost the consumers
plenty
though in higher tarrifs.


Yep. The real world. Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL
well below tariffs in most OECD countries.

And a lot higher than those in NSW or Queensland - partially because the
SA's and Vic's are subsidising those states...

That includes both
Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned systems. The
privately owned sectors of our system are actually pretty good,

When compared to other private providers that's correct. When compared to
what they replaced they are pitiful.

despite
the headlines that the wingers sponsor in the press.

--

Kwyj.

(Remove your panties to reply by email)

 

[The Family]

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"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what
happened with the privatised gas industry in Vic when it went bang.


Victoria has always had a private gas production industry, which is
where the bang happened. It was never "privatised."

Correct but it was severely restructured by Kennet, effectively
privatising
the regulation of the industry.

Kennett did NOT privatise industry regulation. He did, in fact, strengthen
it.

That, combined with massive reductions in
WorkCare inspections led to Esso doing what private companies do best -
Putting profits before all else, including safety.

The Longford commission of inquiry found nothing of the sort. In fact, it
found that Esso had all the necessary systems in place. What it did not
have was a culture of detecting potential failures. Many inspectors going
through the motions, all the way up to senior management, but nobody
actually looking for failures.

Nothing to do with saving money.

Putting profits before all else? That's a pretty hachneyed socialist
throwaway. Think about Esso this way: Esso paid out billions as a result
of the Longford disaster. Compensation to employees, loss of profits,
rebuilding the plant. Do you really think that it PLANNED to lose that
colour of money?

Oh, and WorkCare inspections of this sort of kit are VERY superficial.
WorkCare is all about process, making sure that plant operators have the
right inspection systems in place, not going over every valve in the plant.
If detailed inspections were done at every industrial plant in Australia
every year, WorkCare departments would be huge. It simply isn't done that
way.

Yep, heads rolled
out of that and the producers paid big-time.

A pitance when compared to the profits they reap from their virtual
monopoly.

More socialist rubbish. And Esso does not have a monopoly. Take a look at
a pipeline map sometime.

Nobody calls $1B+ a pittance. Not even Esso.

But guess what, it didn't cost the govt a heap.

Like fuck it didn't.
How much did the federal government lose in lost taxes due to halted
production

Very little. When Esso went back on line, it sold extra gas to make up for
the delivery shortfall to some of its major customers.

Interstate producers sold extra gas (and paid more tax) during the Longford
restrictions.

- not just in the gas industry but all the other industries
that were affected? How much did the Vic government spend on a royal
commision and a supreme court hearing? How much has WorkCover payed out in
compensation?

To use your words, fuck all compared with federal and state general revenue.
And the Vics likely made a profit from those Esso fines!

Disasters happen, whether public or private.

Funny how they never happened until the industry was restructured and
government safety inspections cut.

Deary me. You forget the endless disasters in the govt-owned coal industry
in the Latrobe. Dickensian stuff.

The gas production industry was never substantially restructured and govt
inspection procedures in that industry have been run along the same lines
for decades.

Privatisation is one thing, but
government regulation and inspection should still be the norm for
essential services.

Govt regulation IS the norm. Inspection has INCREASED since industries were
privatised. Pity the govt rarely inspects itself adequately. Govt is
usually a poor operator. Ever noticed how scruffy govt buildings look
compared with their private counterparts? It's because people in govt
usually don't care... that attitude is endemic throughout govt. I'm glad I
don't rely on govt for essential services.

And, as the chair of the
board of inquiry for the Longford disaster said after apportioning
blame, "this complex industry still has much to learn."

It's far too complex to be placed in government hands.

Absolute crap. Telstra is a far more complex industry and has been running
relatively smoothly compared to Esso.

Energy supply is far more complex than telcos. Far more risk at all levels.
Far more capital. Far more dangerous. The energy industry's investment in
Victoria would be far larger than the telcos. Try discovering a few
petajoules of gas and bringing it to market. Not easy.

When was the last time that an
entire state lost all of its telecommunications for a couple of weeks?

Victoria never lost all its energy. The state continued to function. And
guess what? PRIVATE CAPITAL has fixed things so it's highly unlikely that
such a failure would bring that on again. Multiple pipelines. Numerous new
gas fields with diversified owners. All done quietly, effectively and at
minimal pubic cost.

That investment would not have happened while Gas & Fuel operated Vic gas
distribution - GFC knew nothing about achieving supply security. It was
paranoid about importing interstate gas.

Vic now has multiple gas supply sources because the private retailers WANT
these. It's all about protecting their profitability but isn't is marvelous
how private capital attains such security within a few years of taking the
reins whereas GFC could not achieve such comfort throughout its chequered
history.

Not even Gough
or Jim Cairns privatised the gas production industry, you notice. Too
big, complex expensive and risky to use taxpayer money for backing that
sort of stuff.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves
of supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Pity about what it costs the consumer in higher power charges.

Consumers in Vic and SA are now paying the true cost.

Bullshit.
Under the SECV we were paying for one beaurocracy. Now we are paying for 5
of them. Not to mention the overheads of each of the firms they
subcontract their work to. Add to that the governments expenses in
overseeing the industry and we are paying through the nose for shit that
wouldn't be needed if it was back in government hands and being run by a
single entity.

Govt hands? With FIVE TIMES the number of employees that now run the
industry in Vic! Private companies have access to in-house leading edge
expertise that leads to the kind of efficiencies govt would only dream of.
5 bureaucracies? Go and count the people in these industries now. Sorry
mate, SECV and GFC were absolute disasters and failures in the efficiency
stakes. Good at creating jobs for life though. (Apologies if you're one of
the many thousands of people who ended up on the SECV/GFC scrap heap.
Actually it was a real pity - they simply weren't trained to do their jobs
competitively. Another failure of the State system.)

Not some dodgy govt-subsidised pricing that requires someone, somewhere
to be robbed in order to prop up the political agenda.

Where as now everyone, everywhere is being robbed by a larger amount to
line the pockets of people whos job it is to cut corners and put public
safety at risk.

Yeah sure.

Sooner or later, probably sooner, people in NSW and Qld will pay for the
folly of non-market pricing.

They've managed to do pretty well for the last 10 or so years. No 'folly'
there.

We'll see.

(A suicide last year in Qld (the head of Energex) and resignation of the NSW
Treasurer are signs of things brewing methinks)

 

[The Family]

"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
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"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> said


"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95E68D924A7C0ssss@130.133.1.4...
I recall governments taking 10
years to perform similar 'feats.'


I don't recall *any* power shortages while the SECV was running the
show.


What was their true cost of generation?

Not as high as you think. Extra generators were only brought online when
demand required it. True, you had an initial capital expense but that is a
minor factor in the cost of producing power.

Truth is, they were way
over-invested for the demand at the time.


It's the way any infrastructure should be designed, whether it's for
power,
phones or even a LAN. You determine your mean requirements then add in
headroom to allow for peak demands.

Well, you have it half right. You add headroom but you don't install
massive capacity then leave it idle for much of he time. You do it by
increments. That's sensible. It means thinking much smarter.

Exactly what the SECV had. The private
providers let growing demand eat into the headroom until the demand
exceeded their ability to supply, then it was a massive race to get the
capacity increased.

When/where was the massive race in Vic?

Stupid way of running a business.

Very sensible to run down the underutilised capacity.

One of the reasons for the Vic financial squeeze.


Wrong. the Vic financial squeeze was caused by Cain/Kerner giving into
every union demand so that pay rises were outstripping the CPI by about
50%. That and some extremely dodgy decisions (Pyramid tax, anyone??)
nearly
brought the state to its knees.

Nearly? DID.

So the govt couldn't work out how to control its operating costs, huh? It
should nnever have been trusted to operate vital infrastructure in the first
place. Same problem with govts everywhere.

The market turned about 5 years ago for several reasons, including
strong economic growth, and with it the revival of moribund Vic
industries. Importantly, consumers took a shine to R/C air conditioning
in a big way.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years

Amid screams of outrage from the private suppliers....

SOME suppliers.

MOST suppliers.

SOME.

Several were delighted to take advantage of the market
opportunity by investing in capacity.


And they were in a very small minority.

Small by number but two of them happen to be the biggest power retailers in
Australia.

We also now have the most ineffient, polluting power station in
Australia (hazelwood) running 24/7

Yeah, it's a pity the Vics have never managed to wean themselves off
brown coal. Blame the Latrobe Valley unions.


The brown coal is not the problem. The inefficient design is the main
cause
of the inefficiency. It's a 50 year old design. The newer stations are a
lot better in that regard.

Brown coal is a BIG problem. Especially the low grade stuff that comes out
of the Latrobe. Polluting, GHGs,...

when it was only brought online during peak months when the SECV was
running things.

Hopeless inefficiency on the part of SECV. Should have used gas for
peaking but the Latrobe Valleyt unions won that round.

This station, which is only about 25%
efficient, was scheduled for retirement in 2005 under the SECV but,
surprise-surprise, the now private owners reckon they can keep it
running for another 10+ years.

Why on earth build a power station, woefully under-utilise it, then plan
it for premature retirement. A bit like buying a car to drive on the
weekend only then selling after a couple of years - a waste.

Because it's a lemon, and 40 years service is hardly what I would class as
'underutilised'

40 years of occasional service, like an old Latrobe Valley union dude. It
could have been gas fired 40 years ago and worked for its money most of that
time.

Thank
goodness it's now being properly utilised.


It's just the fuel that's not........


If the thing is using at least twice as much fuel as
it needs to, how is that helping to increase efficiency of private
companies?


It's increasing their CAPITAL efficiency. sigh. Note also that the
coal mines are now running with much lower labour costs - so the price
of Latrobe Valley fuel has fallen sharply. That's why some so-called
uneconomic power stations are now economic.

So we are running on cheaper fuel, burnt in power stations that are
already
paid for - yet our tarrifs continue to rise?
Try explaining that in a sentence that doesn't contain the word
'ripoff'...

Easy. There are no government cross subsidies in place now.

Don't forget that the big selloff also fixed Vic's debt problem. The asset
buyers would have carefully assessed the efficiencies to be gained when they
paid those big purchase prices for the assets.

and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of
supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Correct. It didn't cost the government a cent. It cost the consumers
plenty
though in higher tarrifs.

A little more. Easily affordable, exemplified by the evidence that most
people are installing air conditioners and choosing to buy MORE power, NOT
less.

Yep. The real world. Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL
well below tariffs in most OECD countries.

And a lot higher than those in NSW or Queensland - partially because the
SA's and Vic's are subsidising those states...

More to do with NSW and Qld govts under-valuing the asset base, hence
subsidising consumers.

That includes both
Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned systems. The
privately owned sectors of our system are actually pretty good,

When compared to other private providers that's correct. When compared to
what they replaced they are pitiful.

We'll see.

By the way, how quickly you forget the unreliability of supply in Vic all
through the 60s and 70s when labour unions in the Latrobe chose to hold the
state to ransom MANY times, resulting in MANY power restrictions.

 

[Ken Taylor]

"The Family" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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"Kwyjibo" <Kwyjibo@YourPantiesozdebate.com> wrote in message
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Wrong. the Vic financial squeeze was caused by Cain/Kerner giving into
every union demand so that pay rises were outstripping the CPI by about
50%. That and some extremely dodgy decisions (Pyramid tax, anyone??)
nearly
brought the state to its knees.


Nearly? DID.

So the govt couldn't work out how to control its operating costs, huh? It
should nnever have been trusted to operate vital infrastructure in the
first
place. Same problem with govts everywhere.

Just as a matter of interest, Labour in their pre-election campaign said

there was billions of dollars in the 'hollow logs' of the semi-government
authorities which they could use to do all their really nice plans with, if
only we'd vote them in. We did, they did, etc. We voted them in to do
exactly what they did. Not all governments have the same philosophy.

Ken

 

[Rod Speed]

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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what
happened with the privatised gas industry in Vic when it went bang.

Victoria has always had a private gas production industry, which is where the
bang happened.

So much for your stupid pig ignorant lie that privatised operations
always do their maintenance effectively enough so that that sort
of spectacular problem doesnt ever happen. Just another lie.

It was never "privatised."

Another lie. It was, before natural gas was the source.

Yep, heads rolled out of that and the producers paid big-time. But guess
what, it didn't cost the govt a heap.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant lie that private industry
always does maintenance effectively enough so the consumer
doesnt see any loss of the service they are paying for.

Disasters happen, whether public or private. And, as the chair of the board
of inquiry for the Longford disaster said after apportioning blame, "this
complex industry still has much to learn."

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant lie that private industry
always does maintenance effectively enough so the consumer
doesnt see any loss of the service they are paying for.

It's far too complex to be placed in government hands. Not even Gough or Jim
Cairns privatised the gas production industry, you notice.

You're lying again with gas production pre natural gas.

Too big, complex expensive and risky to use taxpayer money for backing that
sort of stuff.

No more complex than power generation, fuckwit.

And even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that the snowy scheme was done by govt.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over the
past 3 years and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of supply
in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Pity about what it costs the consumer in higher power charges.

Consumers in Vic and SA are now paying the true cost.

Lie.

Not some dodgy govt-subsidised pricing that requires someone, somewhere to be
robbed in order to prop up the political agenda.

Another lie. NSW uses it as a cash cow, fuckwit.

Just like govt does with Telstra too.

Sooner or later, probably sooner, people in NSW and Qld will pay for the folly
of non-market pricing.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you've never ever
had a fucking clue. No surprise that you're stuck with dick sucking.

 

[Rod Speed]

The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in
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Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL well below tariffs in most
OECD countries.

Completely irrelevant. They dont get to build their power
stations on open cut coal mines on the whole, fuckwit.

That includes both Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned
systems.

Odd that its the govt owned systems
that deliver the cheapest power, fuckwit.

The privately owned sectors of our system are actually pretty good, despite
the headlines that the wingers sponsor in the press.

Corse you wouldnt be just a tad biased, eh ?

 

[The Family]

I don't think failed CSIRO officers are qualified to comment about
operational matters concerning the highly complex and sophisticated energy
industry.

Comments below finalise this thread.

(Rod: You're welcome to add your gutter language and innanities, which I'm
sure you will do.)


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in
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Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what
happened with the privatised gas industry in Vic when it went bang.

Victoria has always had a private gas production industry, which is where
the bang happened.

So much for your stupid pig ignorant lie that privatised operations
always do their maintenance effectively enough so that that sort
of spectacular problem doesnt ever happen. Just another lie.

It was never "privatised."

Another lie. It was, before natural gas was the source

Pedantic stuff Rod. We, of course, talking in the modern era of natural
gas. (Not coal gas, where state-owned facilities had countless explosions.

Yep, heads rolled out of that and the producers paid big-time. But guess
what, it didn't cost the govt a heap.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant lie that private industry
always does maintenance effectively enough so the consumer
doesnt see any loss of the service they are paying for.

That's not what I said.

Disasters happen, whether public or private. And, as the chair of the
board of inquiry for the Longford disaster said after apportioning blame,
"this complex industry still has much to learn."

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant lie that private industry
always does maintenance effectively enough so the consumer
doesnt see any loss of the service they are paying for.

That neither.

It's far too complex to be placed in government hands. Not even Gough or
Jim Cairns privatised the gas production industry, you notice.

You're lying again with gas production pre natural gas.

Geez, come into the 21st century, or late 20th at least. Sigh.

Too big, complex expensive and risky to use taxpayer money for backing
that sort of stuff.

No more complex than power generation, fuckwit.

MUCH more complex, risky and capital hungry than powergen.

And even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that the snowy scheme was done by govt.

A very small scheme in terms of power production. Government debt (ie
taxpayers) payed hugely for that one.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now.

Wierd comment. Lost your marbles? Pancreatitis coming on?

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over
the past 3 years and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves
of supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Pity about what it costs the consumer in higher power charges.

Consumers in Vic and SA are now paying the true cost.

Lie.

Baseless comment.

Not some dodgy govt-subsidised pricing that requires someone, somewhere
to be robbed in order to prop up the political agenda.

Another lie. NSW uses it as a cash cow, fuckwit.

QUOTE from today's Herald:

He (Carr) has promoted one of his most trusted colleagues, Deputy Premier
Andrew Refshauge, to produce a vote-winning May budget that will earmark
billions of dollars for infrastructure to rescue the power industry and
water services.

UNQUOTE

Here we go again - never trust Labor with your hard-earned.

Here's a radical ide: Why not SELL the business and rake in billions, then
let the privateers spend those billions.

Just like govt does with Telstra too.

Not for much longer. And just look how Telstra's value is being destroyed
as a result og govt meddling.

Sooner or later, probably sooner, people in NSW and Qld will pay for the
folly of non-market pricing.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you've never ever
had a fucking clue. No surprise that you're stuck with dick sucking.

QUOTE from today's Herald:

He (Carr) has promoted one of his most trusted colleagues, Deputy Premier
Andrew Refshauge, to produce a vote-winning May budget that will earmark
billions of dollars for infrastructure to rescue the power industry and
water services.

UNQUOTE

 

[The Family]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35fnisF4l0k54U1@individual.net...

The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in
message news:41f268e0@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL well below tariffs in
most OECD countries.

Completely irrelevant. They dont get to build their power
stations on open cut coal mines on the whole, fuckwit.

Nice argument if it was true. Many power stations world-wide are or were
built adjacent to coal mines, many of which produce much higher grade coal
at lower cost than in the Latrobe. It's logical - power is cheaper to
transport than coal. The main constraint: Lots of water is needed for the
power station.

That includes both Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned
systems.

Odd that its the govt owned systems
that deliver the cheapest power, fuckwit.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on how much cross-subsidy goes on.

French power, for example, is priced around the highest in the OECD because
Electricite de France, the govt monoploy there, is treated as a big revenue
source by the govt. Same with Gaz de France.

The privately owned sectors of our system are actually pretty good,
despite the headlines that the wingers sponsor in the press.

Corse you wouldnt be just a tad biased, eh ?

Objective.

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless fuckwit cocksucker desperately cowering behind
The Family <someone@somewhere.com> desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament in message
news:41f2aae0@duster.adelaide.on.net...
and fooled absolutely no one at all. As always.

Reams of its pig ignorant shit flushed where it belongs.

Comments below finalise this thread.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, cocksucker.

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote

And even someone as stupid as you should have noticed what
happened with the privatised gas industry in Vic when it went bang.

Victoria has always had a private gas production industry, which is where
the bang happened.

So much for your stupid pig ignorant lie that privatised operations
always do their maintenance effectively enough so that that sort
of spectacular problem doesnt ever happen. Just another lie.

It was never "privatised."

Another lie. It was, before natural gas was the source

Pedantic stuff Rod.

Pathetic excuse for bullshit, cocksucker.

We, of course, talking in the modern era of natural gas.

Squirm, squirm, squirm, squirm, fooling absolutely no one at all, as always.

Yep, heads rolled out of that and the producers paid big-time. But guess
what, it didn't cost the govt a heap.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant lie that private industry
always does maintenance effectively enough so the consumer
doesnt see any loss of the service they are paying for.

That's not what I said.

Caught lying. Again.

Disasters happen, whether public or private. And, as the chair of the board
of inquiry for the Longford disaster said after apportioning blame, "this
complex industry still has much to learn."

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant lie that private industry
always does maintenance effectively enough so the consumer
doesnt see any loss of the service they are paying for.

That neither.

Caught lying. Again.

It's far too complex to be placed in government hands. Not even Gough or
Jim Cairns privatised the gas production industry, you notice.

You're lying again with gas production pre natural gas.

Geez, come into the 21st century, or late 20th at least. Sigh.

Squirm, squirm, squirm, squirm, fooling absolutely no one at all, as always.

Too big, complex expensive and risky to use taxpayer money for backing that
sort of stuff.

No more complex than power generation, fuckwit.

MUCH more complex, risky and capital hungry than powergen.

But not with power distribution, fuckwit.

And even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that the snowy scheme was done by govt.

A very small scheme in terms of power production.

Irrelevant to the scale of that, fuckwit.

Government debt (ie taxpayers) payed hugely for that one.

Completely irrelevant to whether it was done well by govt.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now.

Wierd comment. Lost your marbles? Pancreatitis coming on?

Squirm, squirm, squirm, squirm, fooling absolutely no one at all, as always.

The good news: there is much more capacity now. It came on-line over the
past 3 years and it means, in essence, that there's good reserves of
supply in Vic and SA. And it didn't cost either state govt a cent.

Pity about what it costs the consumer in higher power charges.

Consumers in Vic and SA are now paying the true cost.

Lie.

Baseless comment.

Lie.

Not some dodgy govt-subsidised pricing that requires someone, somewhere to
be robbed in order to prop up the political agenda.

Another lie. NSW uses it as a cash cow, fuckwit.

QUOTE from today's Herald:

He (Carr) has promoted one of his most trusted colleagues, Deputy Premier
Andrew Refshauge, to produce a vote-winning May budget that will earmark
billions of dollars for infrastructure to rescue the power industry and water
services.

UNQUOTE

Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether you got it just
plain wrong and NSW has been using it as a cash cow, fuckwit.

And that's just some fuckwit journo anyway.

Here we go again - never trust Labor with your hard-earned.

I dont, fuckwit.

Here's a radical ide: Why not SELL the business and rake in billions, then
let the privateers spend those billions.

Even someone as pig ignorant as you should have noticed that
Carr tried to do that, and the unions wouldnt let him, fuckwit.

Just like govt does with Telstra too.

Not for much longer.

Duh.

And just look how Telstra's value is being destroyed as a result og govt
meddling.

More completely pig ignorant drivel.

Sooner or later, probably sooner, people in NSW and Qld will pay for the
folly of non-market pricing.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you've never ever
had a fucking clue. No surprise that you're stuck with dick sucking.

QUOTE from today's Herald:

He (Carr) has promoted one of his most trusted colleagues, Deputy Premier
Andrew Refshauge, to produce a vote-winning May budget that will earmark
billions of dollars for infrastructure to rescue the power industry and water
services.

UNQUOTE

Just some fuckwit journo, fuckwit cocksucker.

 

[Rod Speed]

The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in
message news:41f2ad07$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote

Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL well below tariffs in most
OECD countries.

Completely irrelevant. They dont get to build their power
stations on open cut coal mines on the whole, fuckwit.

Nice argument if it was true.

Corse its true.

Many power stations world-wide are or were built adjacent to coal mines,

And many werent, and almost none of theirs have
anything like the cost of coal that ours do. THATS
the real reason for the tariffs here, fuckwit.

many of which produce much higher grade coal at lower cost than in the
Latrobe.

Fuck all do in fact.

It's logical - power is cheaper to transport than coal.

Pity few of them have open cut coal mines like ours, fuckwit.

The main constraint: Lots of water is needed for the power station.

Another reason why OECD tariffs are completely irrelevant.

That includes both Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned
systems.

Odd that its the govt owned systems
that deliver the cheapest power, fuckwit.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

They do here, fuckwit.

It depends on how much cross-subsidy goes on.

There is no cross subsidy here with the states that have the cheapest power,
that industry is in fact used as a cash cow, you pig ignorant fuckwit clown.

French power, for example, is priced around the highest in the OECD because
Electricite de France, the govt monoploy there, is treated as a big revenue
source by the govt. Same with Gaz de France.

So is NSW, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit.

AND it STILL produces cheaper power costs than Vic and SA.

The privately owned sectors of our system are actually pretty good, despite
the headlines that the wingers sponsor in the press.

Corse you wouldnt be just a tad biased, eh ?

Objective.

Pathological liar.

 

[Michael]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:35fnisF4l0k54U1@individual.net...

The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in
message news:41f268e0@duster.adelaide.on.net...

Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL well below tariffs in
most
OECD countries.

Completely irrelevant. They dont get to build their power
stations on open cut coal mines on the whole, fuckwit.

That includes both Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned
systems.

Odd that its the govt owned systems
that deliver the cheapest power, fuckwit.

And thats all the consumers want. Ever

 

[Michael]

When was the last time that an
entire state lost all of its telecommunications for a couple of weeks?

Victoria never lost all its energy. The state continued to function. And
guess what? PRIVATE CAPITAL has fixed things so it's highly unlikely that
such a failure would bring that on again. Multiple pipelines. Numerous
new
gas fields with diversified owners. All done quietly, effectively and at
minimal pubic cost.

You idiot. We lost the whole of our gas for a couple of weeks.

Thats as bad as losing your telco for two weeks

 

[Michael]

"Michael" <michael@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:GgCId.129873$K7.108800@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

When was the last time that an
entire state lost all of its telecommunications for a couple of weeks?

Victoria never lost all its energy. The state continued to function.
And
guess what? PRIVATE CAPITAL has fixed things so it's highly unlikely
that
such a failure would bring that on again. Multiple pipelines. Numerous
new
gas fields with diversified owners. All done quietly, effectively and
at
minimal pubic cost.

Pubic cost, eh?

 

[The Family]

And Rod's gone into mouthing gibberish and expletives mode.

Let's shut this sub-thread down too.

And, as always, leave Rod with the right of throwing in the last words, most
likely foul ones, though you never know, he might be courteous.


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in
message news:41f2ad07$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
The Family <someone@somewhere.com> wrote

Note that tariffs in southern Australia are STILL well below tariffs in
most OECD countries.

Completely irrelevant. They dont get to build their power
stations on open cut coal mines on the whole, fuckwit.

Nice argument if it was true.

Corse its true.

Many power stations world-wide are or were built adjacent to coal mines,

And many werent, and almost none of theirs have
anything like the cost of coal that ours do. THATS
the real reason for the tariffs here, fuckwit.

many of which produce much higher grade coal at lower cost than in the
Latrobe.

Fuck all do in fact.

It's logical - power is cheaper to transport than coal.

Pity few of them have open cut coal mines like ours, fuckwit.

The main constraint: Lots of water is needed for the power station.

Another reason why OECD tariffs are completely irrelevant.

That includes both Govt-owned, privately-owned and co-operatively owned
systems.

Odd that its the govt owned systems
that deliver the cheapest power, fuckwit.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

They do here, fuckwit.

It depends on how much cross-subsidy goes on.

There is no cross subsidy here with the states that have the cheapest
power,
that industry is in fact used as a cash cow, you pig ignorant fuckwit
clown.

French power, for example, is priced around the highest in the OECD
because Electricite de France, the govt monoploy there, is treated as a
big revenue source by the govt. Same with Gaz de France.

So is NSW, you stupid pig ignorant fuckwit.

AND it STILL produces cheaper power costs than Vic and SA.

The privately owned sectors of our system are actually pretty good,
despite the headlines that the wingers sponsor in the press.

Corse you wouldnt be just a tad biased, eh ?

Objective.

Pathological liar.