Guy Macon, do you have anything to contribute?

[Activ8]

On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:11:53 -0400, KR Williams wrote:

In article <X5ydnXeCeooCZzLdRVn-hA@speakeasy.net>, Guy Macon
http://www.guymacon.com> says...

KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

Well put. So does my HP28S.

What a waste.

Think of it as training wheels...

I didn't learn to ride a bike until my dad took the training
wheels off. It only took 20 minutes after.

My dad told me I didn't need no stinkin' sissy training wheels so I
coasted around until I could put my feet on the pedals and use 'em.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Guy Macon]

Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...

Seeing this is supposedly an electronics group (at least in name), how
about an equiv resistor problem?

Now we have a philosophical dilema: should we retail the "[OT]
in the title? <grin>

I'll keep the numbers simple again just
for easy typing.

Suppose you have 4,5 and 6 ohm resistors in parallel. In series with
them you have a 7 ohm resistor. In parallel with *that* arrangement you
have an 8 ohm resistor. Whats the equiv resistance?


0----------------------------------
| |
| |
.-. |
| | |
|7| |
'-' |
| |
| .-.
| | |
-------|------- |8|
| | | '-'
.-. .-. .-. |
| | | | | | |
|4| |5| |6| |
'-' '-' '-' |
| | | |
-------|------- |
| |
| |
0-------------|-------------------|



created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.22.310103 Beta www.tech-chat.de

Note: # means the '1/X' key.

first find the equiv resistance of the 4,5,6 ohm part.

[ 4 # 5 # 6 # + + # ] (find the inverses of 4,5 and 6, adds them and
inverts the resul)

then add the 7 ohm resistor in series

[ 7 + ]

then place the 8 ohm resistor in parallel with the resistance so far

[ # 8 # + #] (again, find the inverse of the answer so far, find the
inverse of 8, add them, find the inverse of that)


This look terrible to read on a PC screen, but is shown graphically as
you type it - you can follow the working easily if you do it on a
graphics calc. After the first part the screen would show (1/
(1/4+1/5+1/6) in textbook form for instance.

Have you ever looked into the programming language (FORTH) that brings
these same advantages to the writing of programs? I find that the
process of programming in FORTH is closer to the process of circuit
design than any other language that I have tried.


Here is a classic that really shows the difference between algebraic
and RPN: calculate the resistance between points (a) and (b) using
only a calculator - no drawings or equations on paper.


(a)-- *----------- ONE OHM -------------*
|\ |\
| O O O
| N N N
| E E E
| |
| O O O
O H H H
N M M M
E \ | \
*---- ONE OHM --------------------*
O | | |
H O | O
M N | N
| W | E
| | | |
| O | |
| H | O
| M | N
| | | E
*----- ONE OHM -------------------*
\ | \ O
O | O H
N | N M
E | E |
| |
O | O |
H | H |
M | M |
\| \|
*------------ ONE OHM ------------*--(b)

 

[Guy Macon]

Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...

Seeing this is supposedly an electronics group (at least in name), how
about an equiv resistor problem?

Please see my reply under the subject "Best calculator for electronics?"

 

[KR Williams]

In article <spp1b01c8eur75hor6tgpnps1jh46q4gcp@4ax.com>,
jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com says...

On Sun, 23 May 2004 10:50:25 -0700, Guy Macon
http://www.guymacon.com> wrote:


KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> says...

IRRC, studies have shown that RPN users calculate faster with fewer errors.

That's only because people who use RPN are smarter. ;-)

Ah, but does using RPN make you smarter, or do the smart people naturally
gravitate towards RPN?


Both. Of course, HP was dumb enough to quit making RPN calculators, so
there may be some flaw in the theory. Maybe all the smart people split
off to Agilent.

They're making them again. The HP-33s, HP-48gII, and HP-49G+ have
RPN (or algebraic for the weak). http://www.hp.com/calculators/

....but I think your last sentence is correct anyway. ;-)

--
Keith

 

[Reg Edwards]

Try a sliderule. Its faster and more reliable.

 

[Guy Macon]

Reg Edwards <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> says...

Try a sliderule. Its faster and more reliable.

As I read the above I had within easy reach my trusty
Faber Castell 2/83N Novo-Biplex slide rule...

But are slide rules algerbraic or RPN?



--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

 

[Al Borowski]

Hmm...well...

I first looked at the drawing holistically: 8 ohms in parallel with (7 ohms
plus about 1/3 of 5 ohms), so the combination will be a little over 4 ohms,
say 4 and a quarter as a right-brain guess. That's within 2.5% of the
left-brain calculation.

Yeah, thats how I'd look at it to for a quick guess.

Al

 

[KR Williams]

In article <sYOdnXjz_5aKlizdRVn-iQ@speakeasy.net>, Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com> says...

Reg Edwards <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com> says...

Try a sliderule. Its faster and more reliable.

As I read the above I had within easy reach my trusty
Faber Castell 2/83N Novo-Biplex slide rule...

Since I dropped my Post Versalog, over thirty years ago I've lost
the ability to estimate the answer by looking at the problem.

But are slide rules algerbraic or RPN?

Neither, they don't add.

--
Keith

 

[Rich Grise]

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:O4qdnYV-C52w-TLdRVn-tA@speakeasy.net...

There is a great movie about teaching high schoo; students called
"learning curve." It's out in video. (Ignore the cover; the people
who wrote the cover text seem to have missed the point of the movie).
I think you will like it.

Is there a porno out yet called "Learning Curves"? ;-

Cheers!
Rich

 

[KR Williams]

In article <KvmdnVk_VNjBcC3d4p2dnA@speakeasy.net>, Guy Macon
<http://www.guymacon.com> says...

Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...

Seeing this is supposedly an electronics group (at least in name), how
about an equiv resistor problem?

Now we have a philosophical dilema: should we retail the "[OT]
in the title? <grin

Well, since noone else has jumped on this, I suggest we wholesale
the thing.

Here is a classic that really shows the difference between algebraic
and RPN: calculate the resistance between points (a) and (b) using
only a calculator - no drawings or equations on paper.


(a)-- *----------- ONE OHM -------------*
|\ |\
| O O O
| N N N
| E E E
| |
| O O O
O H H H
N M M M
E \ | \
*---- ONE OHM --------------------*
O | | |
H O | O
M N | N
| W | E
| | | |
| O | |
| H | O
| M | N
| | | E
*----- ONE OHM -------------------*
\ | \ O
O | O H
N | N M
E | E |
| |
O | O |
H | H |
M | M |
\| \|
*------------ ONE OHM ------------*--(b)

An obvious answer (via superposition), but your point about RPN

would work better if the resistors weren't the obvious one ohm.
The reciprocal of one is rather trivial.

....nice picture though.

--
Keith

 

[Terry Given]

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:ejw7on1yb8bi$.dlg@news.individual.net...

On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:11:53 -0400, KR Williams wrote:

In article <X5ydnXeCeooCZzLdRVn-hA@speakeasy.net>, Guy Macon
http://www.guymacon.com> says...

KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

Well put. So does my HP28S.

What a waste.

Think of it as training wheels...

I didn't learn to ride a bike until my dad took the training
wheels off. It only took 20 minutes after.

My dad told me I didn't need no stinkin' sissy training wheels so I
coasted around until I could put my feet on the pedals and use 'em.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

I learnt to ride a motorbike at age 12 (tall kid) using Dads 250cc Montessa,
which had a dodgy clutch cable. I did a wheelstand and arsed off backwards
about 10 times in a row before I got the hang of the clutch. Even with a
skid lid, body armour, leathers and moto-X boots (all Dads), I collected a
fearsome set of bruises that summer - and I was proud of each and every one.
Though the bike was a lot easier to ride once we replaced the clutch cable.

Nowadays, it seems like kids arent even allowed outside. let alone to hurt
themselves - I mean have you seen the sissy crap they have in lieu of
playgrounds now? what ever happened to falling out of a tree anb breaking
multiple bones? I always wished I could have a plaster cast, they were cool.

Terry

 

[Terry Given]

"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote in message
news:9K5sc.12418$ZQ.5165@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...

"Terry Given" <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:1_Frc.8404$XI4.308502@news.xtra.co.nz...

"did you know, that by not even looking in my general direction, let
alone
at my face, throughout the entire transaction, you have made me feel
both
insignificant and worthless. you cant be bothered to even acknowledge my
presence"

Personally, I have a strong opinion about the text of what you're saying
here, and the undercurrent/attitude it puts forth.

The shithead couldn't possibly have made you feel insignificant and
worthless unless you already have insignificant and worthless feelings
waiting in you for any excuse to boil to the surface. Learning how
to deal with them is a whole nother topic, but for this instance,
The correction I'd use would be along the lines of:

The bit that annoyed me was the refusal to look at me, let alone speak to
me. IME americans are good at "expressing their feelings" (why else do they
clap for themselves?), so I explained to him, in terms I thought he would
both understand and be able to take on board, the consequences of his
actions. If I had said what I really felt, it would have come out like "hey
dickhead, I'm over here" - a vent for me, but an excuse to laugh
(afterwards) for him. This way, he thought about it, and maybe, just maybe,
he might not do it again. During the dialogue it prompted, I explained to
him that all he needs to do is make eye contact and appear friendly, and his
customers will walk away happy.

It does sound a bit whiny and emotionally fragile though. Which is not me at
all. I got mugged on Christmas Eve, 1998 in Westwood MA by two guys armed
with 4x2's (trans. 2x4's). I neither whined nor complained, but instead gave
them a good hiding (without being hit at all myself), and still managed to
catch my train IOGKF and Higoanna Sensei, Domo Arigato.

"Ignoring a customer during a transaction is inconsiderate and rude.
When you don't acknowledge a customer it's impossible for him to know
if you're even hearing the order, let alone getting it right. And it's
bad business practce. Keep the <product>, I won't be doing any business
here as long as customers get treated with such disrespect, and please
let the manager know I said so and why."

I doubt his listening comprehension was sufficiently acute to follow that.
And you entirely missed the human element of the transaction. "what do you
want" followed by "whatever" is not ignoring the customer, but is unlikely
to leave them feeling good about the transaction. Plus of course it was the
only video store in Norwood MA, so if I wanted a video, I had to get it
there. depriving myself because he is a twat hardly seems constructive to
me. This is why small-town life is so good - shopkeepers get to know you as
a person, and treat you as such. c.f. Wal-Mart.

That being said, I have indeed done what you suggest, when there is an
alternative. When I bought my van about a year ago, I did a comprehensive
job of finding the best buy, notebook in hand. One car salesman in
particular threatened to snatch it out of my hands and tear it up (true!).
They had a vehicle I wanted to buy, but fuck that! After I paid a different
car yard $19,000 in CASH for my van (actually a little bit more expensive,
but it had a few features that actually made it a better buy), I went back
to that yard, and had a chat with the manager - I told him that guy was
specifically responsible for my not paying cash for a $18,000 van. Hopefully
the rest of his day was shit, mine was great

Actually I got a variety of responses when the notebook came out. Some guys
laughed and said I'd be back, their prices were the best - and they were,
but alas they didnt have what I wanted. most ignored the notebook, but about
1/5 of them ignored ME when they saw the notebook. And those guys all had
the highest prices - no wonder they didnt like me writing down details.
Caveat Emptor

I was in a local Wendy's recently, and while I was ordering my burger,
the drone interrupted to say, "Do you want everything on that?" This
is supremely annoying. I stopped, and said, "If you'll stop interrupting,
I'll tell you what I want." He was dumbfounded. He sort of backed away
from the register, looking like he didn't know whether to threaten me
or cry. The manager had to take over. In cases like this, I often remark:
"It's so hard to get polysyllabic help these days."

Nobody gets it.

Cheers!
Rich

That pisses me off too. Especially the "would you like...with that" asked
repeatedly. Usually I just say "No" - no added verbiage either.
Telemarketers get an automatic "no thank you" spoken overtop of them,
followed by hanging-up the phone. One rang me back and complained about my
being rude in not letting her finish. I said "thank you is hardly rude. fuck
off is rude. fuck off" and hung up again.

Cheers
Terry

 

[Guy Macon]

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

"Guy Macon" wrote...

There is a great movie about teaching high schoo; students called
"learning curve." It's out in video. (Ignore the cover; the people
who wrote the cover text seem to have missed the point of the movie).
I think you will like it.

Is there a porno out yet called "Learning Curves"? ;-

Let's see...who can we ask...who is the porno expert of this
newsgroup... I tried getting into pornography once, but nobody
would sell me a pornograph.

 

[Guy Macon]

Terry Given <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> says...

I got mugged on Christmas Eve, 1998 in Westwood MA by two guys armed
with 4x2's (trans. 2x4's). I neither whined nor complained, but instead gave
them a good hiding (without being hit at all myself), and still managed to
catch my train IOGKF and Higoanna Sensei, Domo Arigato.

(Note to self: revise plans to mug Terry)

I meant to take a class in Karate, but ended up taking a class in
Origami by mistake. If I am ever attacked by a sheet of paper
I will be ready!

 

[Rich Grise]

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

English reads left-to-right, as does RPN. Just because you can't
think left-to-right and need crutches doesn't mean RPN isn't
goodness. Try it for a day some time. You'll never go back!

Some kid tried to tell me how RPN can even be usable. He
compared it to pencil and paper. He said, "You don't
write down 13, then add, then write down 56, then equals,
and 69. You write down 13, then you write down 56, then
you add." I said, "When I'm using the calculator, I'm
not writing stuff down. I wanna know, 39 Plus 56 equals
What? So I type 39+56= and there's the answer! Why is
it easier to do it inside-out?"

They just think differently, I guess.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Terry Given]

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:trednbVwb7KDzizdRVn-gw@speakeasy.net...

Terry Given <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> says...

I got mugged on Christmas Eve, 1998 in Westwood MA by two guys armed
with 4x2's (trans. 2x4's). I neither whined nor complained, but instead
gave
them a good hiding (without being hit at all myself), and still managed
to
catch my train IOGKF and Higoanna Sensei, Domo Arigato.

(Note to self: revise plans to mug Terry)

I meant to take a class in Karate, but ended up taking a class in
Origami by mistake. If I am ever attacked by a sheet of paper
I will be ready!

(Note to self: revise plans to attack Guy with paper sword)

it wasnt a very fair contest - I was 29, 6'2" 220lb, fit, strong, smart and
flexible. They were 17-18, about 5'9"-5'11" and perhaps 150lb each. I had to
walk down the end of Southwest Park, up the railway embankment and under
I495 (iirc) to get to the dedham train station. They were under I495 too,
and chased me. I ran about 10 yards to flat ground lit by a streetlight, and
waited. One stood about 10' away (bad move), the other perhaps 2' away, with
his lump of wood resting on the ground (another bad move - they should have
just hit me). A kick in the groin followed by a knee to the jaw took care of
him, and his mate just looked gobsmacked. Which he was when I did a flying
front-kick (covering the entire distance with one step, a fake right-foot
kick and a real left-foot kick) and booted him in the face, whereupon he
fell to the ground. I thought about giving them a beating to remember, but
it wasnt a very fair contest, and I could see my train coming, so I took
their weapons and walked to the train station, just before the train
arrived. If I had wanted to be mean, I would have hit them with the maglight
I was carrying - I seriously contemplated braining the first guy with it,
but that was too destructive (I was holding it like cops do, ready for a
strike to the bridge of his nose. 4 D cells - ouch). If they had been armed
with knives, I would have been a lot less friendly. If they had guns, I
would have done all that they asked.

Okinawa Goju-Ryu is a traditional full-contact Karate. When practicing head
blocks for example, your partner punches you in the face. bad block = sore
face (a bit like trainer wheels, eh?). We used to do a lot of group and
ground fighting too - its a lot easier to fight 5 guys than it sounds
(unless they have practiced working as a team, in which case you are toast).
Nowadays if someone gives me a hard time I will just grab their head and
poke them in the eye. very hard. Luckily I am big enough that people dont
hassle me, but not so big that drunk short-arses want to fight "the big man"
(quite common actually). Oh, and I try not to annoy people, epsecially those
who can rip my arm off and beat me with it.

I avoided a mugging in Napier NZ once, whilst so drunk I could hardly stand
up, simply by walking faster than my would-be assailant, who was after my
leather jacket. My refusal to stop confused him. Just as well really, half
an hour later I fell down without assistance.....

Cheers
Terry

 

[Activ8]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:06:53 -0700, Terry Given wrote:

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:ejw7on1yb8bi$.dlg@news.individual.net...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:11:53 -0400, KR Williams wrote:

In article <X5ydnXeCeooCZzLdRVn-hA@speakeasy.net>, Guy Macon
http://www.guymacon.com> says...

KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

Well put. So does my HP28S.

What a waste.

Think of it as training wheels...

I didn't learn to ride a bike until my dad took the training
wheels off. It only took 20 minutes after.

My dad told me I didn't need no stinkin' sissy training wheels so I
coasted around until I could put my feet on the pedals and use 'em.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

I learnt to ride a motorbike at age 12 (tall kid) using Dads 250cc Montessa,
which had a dodgy clutch cable. I did a wheelstand and arsed off backwards

That's exactly what I did on a minibike - you know, 5 HP engine with
a slip clutch. I was a bit heavy handed on the throttle.

about 10 times in a row before I got the hang of the clutch. Even with a
skid lid, body armour, leathers and moto-X boots (all Dads), I collected a
fearsome set of bruises that summer - and I was proud of each and every one.
Though the bike was a lot easier to ride once we replaced the clutch cable.

Nowadays, it seems like kids arent even allowed outside. let alone to hurt
themselves - I mean have you seen the sissy crap they have in lieu of
playgrounds now?

No, I haven't noticed. But everything else seems so gay now. Helmet
laws for the bicycles and roller blades. Mothers wanting scooters
banned cause little Suzie may or may not or did break a bone. So
don't buy one, bitch! Let the neighbor kids break their bones. Worry
about little Suzie getting knocked up next year.

When I was a kid, most of the woods weren't posted (as if we cared)
and we spent plenty of time there playing war and weaving pine
branches into tree house floors. We played tackle football and smear
the queer and otherwise beat the hell out of each other. I always
liked climbing cliffs along the river. We'd make ramps to jump the
stream coming out of the hollow - I ate dirt, which is more of a
fall than any scooter could cause. I even ran my bike head on into
the chief of police's car (stopped) turning into a one way street
(the wrong way) coming off a steep hill.

what ever happened to falling out of a tree anb breaking
multiple bones? I always wished I could have a plaster cast, they were cool.

So you didn't fall out or you just didn't fall hard enough? I *may*
have fell, but don't recall. I always thought the fiber glass casts
were cool when they came out. I think that's when I started wanting
one. Mom didn't want me to have one, though. She said I'd have to
break a bone and I never could manage that. I guess I was too
coordinated, but I'm not sure if I was polar or cartesian.

Terry

--
Best Regards,
Mike

 

[Guy Macon]

Rich Grise <null@example.net> says...

"KR Williams" <krw@att.biz> wrote in message

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

English reads left-to-right, as does RPN. Just because you can't
think left-to-right and need crutches doesn't mean RPN isn't
goodness. Try it for a day some time. You'll never go back!

Some kid tried to tell me how RPN can even be usable. He
compared it to pencil and paper. He said, "You don't
write down 13, then add, then write down 56, then equals,
and 69. You write down 13, then you write down 56, then
you add." I said, "When I'm using the calculator, I'm
not writing stuff down. I wanna know, 39 Plus 56 equals
What? So I type 39+56= and there's the answer! Why is
it easier to do it inside-out?"

They just think differently, I guess.

I joke around about RPN being The One True path, but really, both
ways have good and bad points. There is a reason why the people
who invented equations chose [ 2 + 2 = ] instead of [ 2 2 + ].
It's a better way to write down equations.

In addition, there is the baby duck syndrome. A baby duck imprints
on whatever it sees right after hatching and that's mommy. We all
tend to judge calculators, wordprocessors, operating systems, etc.
by comparing them to our first.

 

[Terry Given]

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 13:06:53 -0700, Terry Given wrote:

"Activ8" <reply2group@ndbbm.net> wrote in message
news:ejw7on1yb8bi$.dlg@news.individual.net...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 22:11:53 -0400, KR Williams wrote:

In article <X5ydnXeCeooCZzLdRVn-hA@speakeasy.net>, Guy Macon
http://www.guymacon.com> says...

KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

Well put. So does my HP28S.

What a waste.

Think of it as training wheels...

I didn't learn to ride a bike until my dad took the training
wheels off. It only took 20 minutes after.

My dad told me I didn't need no stinkin' sissy training wheels so I
coasted around until I could put my feet on the pedals and use 'em.
--
Best Regards,
Mike

I learnt to ride a motorbike at age 12 (tall kid) using Dads 250cc
Montessa,
which had a dodgy clutch cable. I did a wheelstand and arsed off
backwards

That's exactly what I did on a minibike - you know, 5 HP engine with
a slip clutch. I was a bit heavy handed on the throttle.

about 10 times in a row before I got the hang of the clutch. Even with a
skid lid, body armour, leathers and moto-X boots (all Dads), I collected
a
fearsome set of bruises that summer - and I was proud of each and every
one.
Though the bike was a lot easier to ride once we replaced the clutch
cable.

Nowadays, it seems like kids arent even allowed outside. let alone to
hurt
themselves - I mean have you seen the sissy crap they have in lieu of
playgrounds now?

No, I haven't noticed. But everything else seems so gay now. Helmet
laws for the bicycles and roller blades. Mothers wanting scooters
banned cause little Suzie may or may not or did break a bone. So
don't buy one, bitch! Let the neighbor kids break their bones. Worry
about little Suzie getting knocked up next year.

the stupidest I have seen here in NZ is this: A few months ago some
shit-for-brains teenager "huffed" (ie inhaled) a can of butane. Somewhat
unsurprisingly, she died. Her parents were on TV the next day, demanding
that butane lighter refills be R18, or better yet banned completely.

We have had cycle helmet laws in NZ for a decade or so - and it has made no
difference to cyclist fatalities. Why? when you get hit by a car, you have
many problems, not least of which is banging your head. and the helmets aint
car-proof, or road-proof. but still we have a law for sissy's, that we ALL
have to abide by (in theory)

When I was a kid, most of the woods weren't posted (as if we cared)
and we spent plenty of time there playing war and weaving pine
branches into tree house floors. We played tackle football and smear
the queer and otherwise beat the hell out of each other. I always
liked climbing cliffs along the river. We'd make ramps to jump the
stream coming out of the hollow - I ate dirt, which is more of a
fall than any scooter could cause. I even ran my bike head on into
the chief of police's car (stopped) turning into a one way street
(the wrong way) coming off a steep hill.

what ever happened to falling out of a tree anb breaking
multiple bones? I always wished I could have a plaster cast, they were
cool.

So you didn't fall out or you just didn't fall hard enough? I *may*
have fell, but don't recall. I always thought the fiber glass casts
were cool when they came out. I think that's when I started wanting
one. Mom didn't want me to have one, though. She said I'd have to
break a bone and I never could manage that. I guess I was too
coordinated, but I'm not sure if I was polar or cartesian.

I fell, I just never broke anything (except my nose).

Terry


--
Best Regards,
Mike

Cheers
Terry

 

[Guy Macon]

Terry Given <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> says...

We have had cycle helmet laws in NZ for a decade or so - and
it has made no difference to cyclist fatalities.

See:

_Trends in cycle injury in new zealand under voluntary helmet use_
by Paul Scuffham and John Langley, Injury Prevention Research Unit,
University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand
http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/scuffham.html

_The Effectiveness of Bicycle Helmets: A Review_
by Dr. Michael Henderson, Prepared for the Motor Accidents Authority
of New South Wales, Australia.
http://www.bhsi.org/henderso.htm

Mandatory bicycle helmet laws in New Zealand
http://www.cycle-helmets.com/zealand_helmets.html

A Compendium of Statistics from Various Sources
by the Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute
http://www.bhsi.org/stats.htm