Guy Macon, do you have anything to contribute?

As many here know, I interview high school students as part of the
admission process to MIT. The competency level is dropping like a
rock. It is down-right scary how little students know anymore.
Thousands of Pinnell-dweebs.

I did determine, though, where people can get employment if they're
too dumb to flip burgers... Fryes Electronics ;-)
[...]

its scary, isnt it. I tutor electronics at the local high school (for free -
payback for my old high school physics teacher who ran an after-school
electronics club, in his own time and with his own money, for which I was
profoundly ungrateful at the time, but have since learned to appreciate).
These kids are in their last year of high school, and NONE of them can do
enough algebra to re-arrange Ohms law.
Wow, are you being serious?

IF you are not exaggerating, that amazes me. I only finished high school
myself 4 years ago - and I bet 98% of my class could do ohms law at
least. Is education really that bad where you are?

For my last year of physics at high school, everyone was required to
make a working electric motor for one of the assignments. That was alot
of fun, and *everyone* managed to get one working. Sure one or 2 people
got their parents to do most of the work, but the majority of people got
theirs working fine by themselves.

Most motors were the conventional brushed type but there were a few
brushless ones to make things interesting.

I think 'hand on' things like that go a long way to reinforcing concepts.

Hell, they cant even find the
reciprocal button on their calculators! All I have done this year is algebra
tutorials - without it, they are completely lost. Why have they not been
taught the grammar and syntax of mathematics? As for calculus, forget it!
Clearly the US is not the only country producing students who are far
stupider than earlier generations.
I find this difficult to believe. Surely they aren't *that* thick?

we talked a bit, and sure enough, he has
learnt 4/5 of 5/8 of fuck all at uni.
Sadly I can believe this :-(

They werent allowed to use
calculators, and were completely lost. I think that proves conclusively that
teaching students to use calculators does exactly that - it does NOT teach
them mathematics.
Of course not. Arithmetic is not mathematics. Most calculators only do
the former (The high end ones do symbolic stuff... think of Maple in the
palm of your hand).


I personally do all my rgh design calc's by hand, to get the order of
magnitude of my answer (alas, I missed slide rules :), and a rough hack at
the right value, before flopping out my HP28S.
Another HP fan :)

Many thanks to ALL the experts (Win, Jim, Peter, activ8, genome, the list
goes on) who post really useful info on SED - I have certainly learned a lot
in my time here.
Agreed.

cheers,

Al


Cheers from Aotearoa, New Zealand,
Terry
 
"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:k92dndh4E-YcfzPd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
I, on the other hand, believe that a bunch of engineers can agree
on a standard way rather than requiring the user to write a more
sophisticated filter. Think of it as a social experimet; take a
bunch of engineers who are 100% free to do as they choose and
politely ask them to do something that is really, really easy
to do. Can thet cooperate on even a simple thing, or will one or
more exercise their freedom and sabatoge the effort?

Well, I'm sure some engineers will, but there might be people
who think otherwise, and the ones who are causing the OT posts
probably wouldn't have your request first and foremost in mind. :)

I.e., the ones who would do it because you ask probably already
are, and have already started using GMF. But the ones who wouldn't
would just dismiss your requests anyway.

I'm sorry if what I thought was some good-natured ribbing seems
to have hurt your feelings - that was the least of my intentions!
I was, actually, hoping for a chuckle, if not a :_) .

Cheers!
Rich
 
Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...

Then if you're looking for design/analysis, buy some text books
'cause Jim's correct. There's a dearth of that here. There are
however some threads about the non-math aspects of design.

I have a wall of textbooks. I have still learnt much by reading this
group over the years.

Hopefully all the offtopic crap here will die down again soon.
One can only hope.
 
Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...
As many here know, I interview high school students as part of the
admission process to MIT. The competency level is dropping like a
rock. It is down-right scary how little students know anymore.
Thousands of Pinnell-dweebs.

I did determine, though, where people can get employment if they're
too dumb to flip burgers... Fryes Electronics ;-)


[...]

its scary, isnt it. I tutor electronics at the local high school (for free
-
payback for my old high school physics teacher who ran an after-school
electronics club, in his own time and with his own money, for which I was
profoundly ungrateful at the time, but have since learned to appreciate).
These kids are in their last year of high school, and NONE of them can do
enough algebra to re-arrange Ohms law.

Wow, are you being serious?
I have seen the same thing. Some of them can't read street signs.

IF you are not exaggerating, that amazes me. I only finished high school
myself 4 years ago - and I bet 98% of my class could do ohms law at
least. Is education really that bad where you are?
Yes. You might wish to read _How public education cripples our kids,
and why_ by John Taylor Gatto (New York State and New York City
Teacher of the Year). It's at:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm

Also see:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm

For my last year of physics at high school, everyone was required to
make a working electric motor for one of the assignments. That was alot
of fun, and *everyone* managed to get one working. Sure one or 2 people
got their parents to do most of the work, but the majority of people got
theirs working fine by themselves.
We don't require physics in high scholl here.

Most motors were the conventional brushed type but there were a few
brushless ones to make things interesting.

I think 'hand on' things like that go a long way to reinforcing concepts.

Hell, they cant even find the
reciprocal button on their calculators! All I have done this year is algebra
tutorials - without it, they are completely lost. Why have they not been
taught the grammar and syntax of mathematics? As for calculus, forget it!
Clearly the US is not the only country producing students who are far
stupider than earlier generations.

I find this difficult to believe. Surely they aren't *that* thick?
Yes. They are. I had aone freshly minted BsEE who didn't know that
if current travels down a wire it must have a return path. I guided
that engineer into the IT dept, maintaining COBOL code. True story!

we talked a bit, and sure enough, he has
learnt 4/5 of 5/8 of fuck all at uni.

Sadly I can believe this :-(

They werent allowed to use
calculators, and were completely lost. I think that proves conclusively that
teaching students to use calculators does exactly that - it does NOT teach
them mathematics.

Of course not. Arithmetic is not mathematics. Most calculators only do
the former (The high end ones do symbolic stuff... think of Maple in the
palm of your hand).

I personally do all my rgh design calc's by hand, to get the order of
magnitude of my answer (alas, I missed slide rules :), and a rough hack at
the right value, before flopping out my HP28S.

Another HP fan :)
I am another, but I prefer the HP48GX.

Many thanks to ALL the experts (Win, Jim, Peter, activ8, genome, the list
goes on) who post really useful info on SED - I have certainly learned a lot
in my time here.


Agreed.

cheers,

Al


Cheers from Aotearoa, New Zealand,
Terry
One day I shall retire in New Zealand. For now, the work is in Los Angeles.

--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/
 
"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:k92dnc94E-a7bjPd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...

As many here know, I interview high school students as part of the
admission process to MIT. The competency level is dropping like a
rock. It is down-right scary how little students know anymore.
Thousands of Pinnell-dweebs.

I did determine, though, where people can get employment if they're
too dumb to flip burgers... Fryes Electronics ;-)


[...]

its scary, isnt it. I tutor electronics at the local high school (for
free
-
payback for my old high school physics teacher who ran an after-school
electronics club, in his own time and with his own money, for which I
was
profoundly ungrateful at the time, but have since learned to
appreciate).
These kids are in their last year of high school, and NONE of them can
do
enough algebra to re-arrange Ohms law.

Wow, are you being serious?

I have seen the same thing. Some of them can't read street signs.
a phenomena confirmed by guy, alas its true. I only have a few kids in the
electronics class, hardly a representative sample. they are however
responding well to my educating them. probably because they call me Terry,
and I treat them as people. I also make them do the work on the board, one
at a time. Whenever (frequently) they make mistakes, we all figure out what
the mistake was, and then WHY. They really appreciated me showing them
documented evidence of my own stupid mistakes (and they were fresh ones
too). Hopefully by the end of the year, they will be able to think for
themselves.

IF you are not exaggerating, that amazes me. I only finished high school
myself 4 years ago - and I bet 98% of my class could do ohms law at
least. Is education really that bad where you are?

Yes. You might wish to read _How public education cripples our kids,
and why_ by John Taylor Gatto (New York State and New York City
Teacher of the Year). It's at:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm

Also see:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm

For my last year of physics at high school, everyone was required to
make a working electric motor for one of the assignments. That was alot
of fun, and *everyone* managed to get one working. Sure one or 2 people
got their parents to do most of the work, but the majority of people got
theirs working fine by themselves.

We don't require physics in high scholl here.

Most motors were the conventional brushed type but there were a few
brushless ones to make things interesting.

I think 'hand on' things like that go a long way to reinforcing concepts.

Hell, they cant even find the
reciprocal button on their calculators! All I have done this year is
algebra
tutorials - without it, they are completely lost. Why have they not
been
taught the grammar and syntax of mathematics? As for calculus, forget
it!
Clearly the US is not the only country producing students who are far
stupider than earlier generations.

I find this difficult to believe. Surely they aren't *that* thick?

Yes. They are. I had aone freshly minted BsEE who didn't know that
if current travels down a wire it must have a return path. I guided
that engineer into the IT dept, maintaining COBOL code. True story!

we talked a bit, and sure enough, he has
learnt 4/5 of 5/8 of fuck all at uni.

Sadly I can believe this :-(

They werent allowed to use
calculators, and were completely lost. I think that proves conclusively
that
teaching students to use calculators does exactly that - it does NOT
teach
them mathematics.

Of course not. Arithmetic is not mathematics. Most calculators only do
the former (The high end ones do symbolic stuff... think of Maple in the
palm of your hand).

I personally do all my rgh design calc's by hand, to get the order of
magnitude of my answer (alas, I missed slide rules :), and a rough hack
at
the right value, before flopping out my HP28S.

Another HP fan :)

I am another, but I prefer the HP48GX.
A funny story: After I worked in MA for 6mths I organised a technology
transfer from a small NZ company. I went home for a week, taking my trusty
HP28S with me. A few months later my ME advanced control exam came up (I was
a full time student at auckland uni, nz, while living in Boston). I arranged
to do my exam at (IIRC) Boston university (so many, such similar names). On
the thursday before the big saturday exam, I organised my gear, and couldnt
find my baby. I ransacked the house but alas, no HP28S. Bugger, I left it in
new zealand. I rang Staples who had a single HP48G. So I ran there, on my
way to Karate. They had the calculator, but when I went to pay for it, they
couldnt take my debit card (couldnt get credit, even with a $100,000 job :).
So I ran about 9 blocks to an ATM, and back again with the cash. When I got
back, they had sold the fucking calculator to someone else, despite my
having specifically asked them to hold it for me. Naturally, I spat the
dummy, demanded to see the manager, and went crook at him (without
swearing). He gave me by far the best service i EVER got in the US, and
basically asked: if he could have one in my hand by 8am tomorrow, would that
be OK. I was hell impressed, and told him so - there was a problem, he
recognised it, and found a solution. brilliant. He also made the idiot staff
member apologise to me. I paid him for the HP48G, and left for Karate -
10mins late, but actually feeling good. I ran to the Gym, but no-one was at
Karate. Confused, I left, and spotted one of my fellow Karateka exercising.
He told me the club had decided to go down the road to the pub for a meal
and beer (it was such a lovely day), so off I ran. I caught up with everyone
outside at the pub, waiting for a table. After waiting for about 10 minutes,
I sat down on my Karate bag, as it was nice and soft. But it wasnt - lo and
behold there was my trusty HP28S, tucked into the front pouch. A few minutes
later, when I had recovered enough from the laughing fit that ensued, I
explained what had just happened. Everyone else thought it was bloody funny
too. And, at 7:30am on Friday, a courier knocks at the door, with my nice
new HP48G. The managers response after my performance (I spoke both
forcefully and eloquently, and made it abundantly clear that the service was
unacceptable) was nothing short of fantastic, so I kept the HP48G. Now I
have both calculators.

Interestingly, that was perhaps the best service I have ever received, which
is funny because almost without exception, the service in MA was ratshit.
probably the worst was the blockbuster video clerk in Norwood MA, who
conducted the entire transaction with his head turned 90 degrees, having a
chat with his workmate - the only words he spoke were "that'll be five
dollars". When I picked up the videos, I said something along the lines of
this:
"did you know, that by not even looking in my general direction, let alone
at my face, throughout the entire transaction, you have made me feel both
insignificant and worthless. you cant be bothered to even acknowledge my
presence"
He was all apologetic and stuff, to which I said "dont be sorry, just dont
do it" and left.

mind you, is a completely insincere and unfelt "thank you sir, have a good
evening" mumbled whilst looking down any better?

Hmm, perhaps its eye contact thats the key here.

Many thanks to ALL the experts (Win, Jim, Peter, activ8, genome, the
list
goes on) who post really useful info on SED - I have certainly learned
a lot
in my time here.


Agreed.

cheers,

Al


Cheers from Aotearoa, New Zealand,
Terry




One day I shall retire in New Zealand. For now, the work is in Los
Angeles.
Guy,
You'll love it. If you are ever in NZ, look me up - I live about 50km below
the coromandel peninsula.

Terry Given
Domes Engineering
109 Centennial Avenue
Te Aroha
New Zealand
ph +64 7 8844 596 (voicemail)
cell +64 21 422 400 (no voicemail)
my_name@ieee.org

--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/
 
"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:k92dnc14E-bgcjPd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...
Al Borowski <aj.borowski@erasethis.student.qut.edu.au> says...

Then if you're looking for design/analysis, buy some text books
'cause Jim's correct. There's a dearth of that here. There are
however some threads about the non-math aspects of design.

I have a wall of textbooks. I have still learnt much by reading this
group over the years.

Hopefully all the offtopic crap here will die down again soon.

One can only hope.

The personal attack politics stuff is irritating. I like a good argument,
but then im pretty odd, in that I can be convinced to change my opinion (you
just have to be convincing). but it pretty soon degenerates into nasty
insults, sparking verbal conflicts which, just like physical ones, are
self-sustaining: the previous insult provides enough (self-) justification
for the next one. Voila, +ve feedback. The truly funny part is that many of
the people doing it have shown by their On-Topic [OT?] (sorry Guy, couldnt
resist that:) posts that they have long since mastered electronic feedback.

oops, hypocrisy. I had lots of fun when DarkMatter decided to flame me, and
gained huge enjoyment from crafting verbose yet amusing replies.

that dizum blather was just odd.

Cheers
Terry
 
Terry Given says...

Guy Macon wrote:

I have seen the same thing. Some of them can't read street signs.

a phenomena confirmed by guy, alas its true. I only have a few kids in the
electronics class, hardly a representative sample. they are however
responding well to my educating them. probably because they call me Terry,
and I treat them as people. I also make them do the work on the board, one
at a time. Whenever (frequently) they make mistakes, we all figure out what
the mistake was, and then WHY. They really appreciated me showing them
documented evidence of my own stupid mistakes (and they were fresh ones
too). Hopefully by the end of the year, they will be able to think for
themselves.
There is a great movie about teaching high schoo; students called
"learning curve." It's out in video. (Ignore the cover; the people
who wrote the cover text seem to have missed the point of the movie).
I think you will like it.


--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/
 
mv /var/posts//Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com> /dev/null:

But killing people is so much *fun*!
lol. Good Guy <g> :)

[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ | "I'm going under,
Posting from Brazil! | drowning in you
ICQ: 126375906 | I'm falling forever,
ask for e-mail/MSN | I've got to break through"
---------------------. -- Evanescence, "Going Under"
 
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:02:34 +1000, Al Borowski wrote:

<snip the dismal state of eduction>
Another HP fan :)

I always used the TI programmables. Haven't tried an HP yet. Might
do it. I take it they're all RPN entry?

I did however get a most excellent HP 6S scientific calc at
McDonalds or Burger King for $5 USD !!! Best deal I ever got on a
calculator. It's been working for 4 yrs so far :)

<snip>

--
Best Regards,
Mike
 
On Sat, 22 May 2004 20:29:33 -0400, KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:

In article <6w4b4j0qu4q7.dlg@news.individual.net>,
reply2group@ndbbm.net says...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:02:34 +1000, Al Borowski wrote:

snip the dismal state of eduction

Another HP fan :)

I always used the TI programmables. Haven't tried an HP yet. Might
do it. I take it they're all RPN entry?

The newer HPs are both arithmetic and RPN (or so they state), but
why would you want arithmetic? RPN rulz!

I did however get a most excellent HP 6S scientific calc at
McDonalds or Burger King for $5 USD !!! Best deal I ever got on a
calculator. It's been working for 4 yrs so far :)

Fries with that?
RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
In article <6w4b4j0qu4q7.dlg@news.individual.net>,
reply2group@ndbbm.net says...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:02:34 +1000, Al Borowski wrote:

snip the dismal state of eduction

Another HP fan :)

I always used the TI programmables. Haven't tried an HP yet. Might
do it. I take it they're all RPN entry?
The newer HPs are both arithmetic and RPN (or so they state), but
why would you want arithmetic? RPN rulz!

I did however get a most excellent HP 6S scientific calc at
McDonalds or Burger King for $5 USD !!! Best deal I ever got on a
calculator. It's been working for 4 yrs so far :)
Fries with that?

--
Keith
 
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> says...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.
....

Analog Innovations, Inc.
Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems
Ever put a FORTH core in an ASIC?

B16: a FORTH processor in an FPGA
http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/b16-eng.pdf

VLSI Design Tools In 500 lines of colorForth these tools
provide everything required to design a chip...
http://www.colorforth.com/vlsi.html

--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/
 
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

The newer HPs are both arithmetic and RPN (or so they state), but
why would you want arithmetic? RPN rulz!
It's a mystery! I am still trying to figure out why so many people
use (algebraic) C/C++ when (RPN) FORTH is clearly superior....
 
In article <tvrva0hqlat4lj13ln197a9p9v3p5umgav@4ax.com>,
thegreatone@example.com says...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 20:29:33 -0400, KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:

In article <6w4b4j0qu4q7.dlg@news.individual.net>,
reply2group@ndbbm.net says...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:02:34 +1000, Al Borowski wrote:

snip the dismal state of eduction

Another HP fan :)

I always used the TI programmables. Haven't tried an HP yet. Might
do it. I take it they're all RPN entry?

The newer HPs are both arithmetic and RPN (or so they state), but
why would you want arithmetic? RPN rulz!

I did however get a most excellent HP 6S scientific calc at
McDonalds or Burger King for $5 USD !!! Best deal I ever got on a
calculator. It's been working for 4 yrs so far :)

Fries with that?

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.
English reads left-to-right, as does RPN. Just because you can't
think left-to-right and need crutches doesn't mean RPN isn't
goodness. Try it for a day some time. You'll never go back!

--
Keith
 
In article <TpSrc.8686$XI4.315855@news.xtra.co.nz>,
the_domes@xtra.co.nz says...
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:tvrva0hqlat4lj13ln197a9p9v3p5umgav@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 20:29:33 -0400, KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:

In article <6w4b4j0qu4q7.dlg@news.individual.net>,
reply2group@ndbbm.net says...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:02:34 +1000, Al Borowski wrote:

snip the dismal state of eduction

Another HP fan :)

I always used the TI programmables. Haven't tried an HP yet. Might
do it. I take it they're all RPN entry?

The newer HPs are both arithmetic and RPN (or so they state), but
why would you want arithmetic? RPN rulz!

I did however get a most excellent HP 6S scientific calc at
McDonalds or Burger King for $5 USD !!! Best deal I ever got on a
calculator. It's been working for 4 yrs so far :)

Fries with that?

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

...Jim Thompson

Well put. So does my HP28S.
What a waste.

--
Keith
 
"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:tvrva0hqlat4lj13ln197a9p9v3p5umgav@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 20:29:33 -0400, KR Williams <krw@att.biz> wrote:

In article <6w4b4j0qu4q7.dlg@news.individual.net>,
reply2group@ndbbm.net says...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 16:02:34 +1000, Al Borowski wrote:

snip the dismal state of eduction

Another HP fan :)

I always used the TI programmables. Haven't tried an HP yet. Might
do it. I take it they're all RPN entry?

The newer HPs are both arithmetic and RPN (or so they state), but
why would you want arithmetic? RPN rulz!

I did however get a most excellent HP 6S scientific calc at
McDonalds or Burger King for $5 USD !!! Best deal I ever got on a
calculator. It's been working for 4 yrs so far :)

Fries with that?

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

...Jim Thompson
Well put. So does my HP28S.

Cheers,
Terry
 
"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:O4qdnYV-C52w-TLdRVn-tA@speakeasy.net...
Terry Given says...

Guy Macon wrote:

I have seen the same thing. Some of them can't read street signs.

a phenomena confirmed by guy, alas its true. I only have a few kids in
the
electronics class, hardly a representative sample. they are however
responding well to my educating them. probably because they call me
Terry,
and I treat them as people. I also make them do the work on the board,
one
at a time. Whenever (frequently) they make mistakes, we all figure out
what
the mistake was, and then WHY. They really appreciated me showing them
documented evidence of my own stupid mistakes (and they were fresh ones
too). Hopefully by the end of the year, they will be able to think for
themselves.

There is a great movie about teaching high schoo; students called
"learning curve." It's out in video. (Ignore the cover; the people
who wrote the cover text seem to have missed the point of the movie).
I think you will like it.


--
Guy Macon, Electronics Engineer & Project Manager for hire.
Remember Doc Brown from the _Back to the Future_ movies? Do you
have an "impossible" engineering project that only someone like
Doc Brown can solve? My resume is at http://www.guymacon.com/

I'll try and track down a copy.

Thanx,
Terry
 
Terry Given <the_domes@xtra.co.nz> says...

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

Well put. So does my HP28S.
Of course it does. Only the Nazis over at TI give you no choice...

My theory is that once Jim Thompson dicovers the power and elegance
of putting a FORTH core into an ASIC, he will switch to RPN. :)
 
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

English reads left-to-right, as does RPN. Just because you can't
think left-to-right and need crutches doesn't mean RPN isn't
goodness. Try it for a day some time. You'll never go back!
All your calculator are belong to us...

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In A.D. 2101

War was beginning.

Captain: What happen ?

Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb

Operator: We get signal

Captain: What !

Operator: Main screen turn on

Captain: It's You !!

Cats: How are you gentlemen !!

Cats: All your base are belong to us

Cats: You are on the way to destruction

Captain: What you say !!

Cats: You have no chance to survive make your time

Cats: HA HA HA HA ....

Captain: Take off every 'zig'

Captain: You know what you doing

Captain: Move 'zig'

Captain: For great justice
 
KR Williams <krw@att.biz> says...

RPN is for dweebs. My mind works Algebraically.

Well put. So does my HP28S.

What a waste.
Think of it as training wheels...
 

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