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John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel
tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying
some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the
counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022
after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive
usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet, and they drive on average
only a third of the annual miles compared with those in the
US.
We have a giant country. 2600 miles from San Francisco to Manhattan.
Just California is over 800 miles long.
And I\'ve covered pretty much every corner of the state, there is
so much to see and experience. Well, I haven\'t yet been east of
of the Imperial valley - gotta save something for retirement.
In your tiny old country, you can\'t drive very far.
What gave you the impression that I live in the UK? The point
of my post is that one cannot \'compare\' petrol/gasoline cost in the US
vs. the UK without factoring in all relevent data.
We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
For those in the UK, they take high-speed rail through the Chunnel
to the Alps. Easy as pie.
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 05:24:30 -0000, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 9:21 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 04:55:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 04:36:26 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
It\'s more of a local place than the monsters like Squaw and Northstar.
One of the runs is called Pacific Crest Trail because it is. One peak
is Mt Disney because Walt was one of the original investors. So it\'s a
Mickey Mouse ski area.
The prevailing wind off the ocean rises and peaks just about there. In
a good year they get 80 feet of snow. One year we skiied on the 4th of
July.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgu1x1ajlk3rpit/July_4_Bikini.jpg?raw=1
Pah, I prefer it when they\'re cold.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/47/77/8c/47778c5bb078f4ac26ff9e0428d69d8c.jpg
It\'s fun to soak in a nice hot tub and let your hair freeze.
If I go on some passive vacation, I\'ll think about electronics all the
time. I can ski from 9AM to 4PM with just a couple of breaks, up in
the gorgeous mountains, and basically not think much at all. Then when
I\'m done I\'m too tired to think.
Skiing has actually taught me a lot. About trusting your body and your
instincts, about hesitation and commitment, about dynamics.
And being one with the mountain.
Is that legal?
I assume you mean in the US diesel is more expensive? I assume this is
a tax thing. In the UK our government taxes diesel slightly more, but
not by much. I\'m guessing the real cost of the two is pretty much the
same.
On 11/12/2022 10:55 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:32:35 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/12/2022 7:57 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:52:18 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 9:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 -0000, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel
tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying
some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the
counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022
after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive
usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet,
Americans can\'t seem to make efficient engines, no idea why.
US vehicles on average are bigger and SUV\'s predominate and there may
even be more pickup trucks than sedans.
I meant for the same horsepower, you have larger engines over there..
I also noted that price differential between diesel and gasoline is
less
in UK and since diesels cost more they do not predominate in US as
in UK.
I assume you mean in the US diesel is more expensive? I assume this is
a tax thing. In the UK our government taxes diesel slightly more, but
not by much. I\'m guessing the real cost of the two is pretty much the
same.
A diesel engine might cost more, but it lasts twice as long.
Your taxes are much higher and tend to level cost.
Odd, I thought the UK government taxed diesel more due to pollution
concerns.
Last time passing gas station, gasoline was $3.81/gal. and diesel was
about $5.50/gal.
Here it\'s £1.60/litre petrol, £1.70 a litre diesel.
= $7.14/US gallon petrol, £7.59/US gallon diesel.
So what are you moaning about? Your fuel is as cheap as water!
I knew your prices and much higher taxes.
Large price difference here may be to lower diesel usage.
I am not looking forward to winter as I heat with oil which is
essentially diesel.
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:02:44 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 23:56, John Larkin wrote:
We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
I generally drive at leats 1000 miles to avoid a ski weekend.
Fortunately, they happen in other countries *shudder*
Why would you avoid athletic activity?
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:52:18 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 9:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 -0000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel
tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying
some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the
counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022
after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive
usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet,
Americans can\'t seem to make efficient engines, no idea why.
US vehicles on average are bigger and SUV\'s predominate and there may
even be more pickup trucks than sedans.
I meant for the same horsepower, you have larger engines over there.
I also noted that price differential between diesel and gasoline is less
in UK and since diesels cost more they do not predominate in US as in UK.
I assume you mean in the US diesel is more expensive? I assume this is
a tax thing. In the UK our government taxes diesel slightly more, but
not by much. I\'m guessing the real cost of the two is pretty much the
same.
A diesel engine might cost more, but it lasts twice as long.
On 12/11/2022 12:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:02:44 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 23:56, John Larkin wrote:
We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
I generally drive at leats 1000 miles to avoid a ski weekend.
Fortunately, they happen in other countries *shudder*
Why would you avoid athletic activity?
Why would you not? It\'s \"school work\".
(When I was in primary school
they never had any equipment like swings &c. Just bare asphalt.)
Last longer than what? That argument worked better 40 or 50 years ago when
a gasoline engine was tired by 50,000 miles.
No problem having wind power all over every country and interconnecting
us all with cables.
No problem having wind power all over every country and interconnecting
us all with cables.
Yep, we could get our power from Putin\'s wind farms.
Why would you not? It\'s \"school work\". (When I was in primary school
they never had any equipment like swings &c. Just bare asphalt.)
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:19:12 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:29:09 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s not sufficiently more eepensive to stop me using it, since diesel
engines are vastly more efficient and last longer.
Last longer than what? That argument worked better 40 or 50 years ago when
a gasoline engine was tired by 50,000 miles.
They\'re still double. I get 130K miles form a petrol engine, and 260K miles from a diesel engine.
Americans can\'t seem to make efficient engines, no idea why.
US vehicles on average are bigger and SUV\'s predominate and there may
even be more pickup trucks than sedans.
I also noted that price differential between diesel and gasoline is less
in UK and since diesels cost more they do not predominate in US as in UK.
On 11/12/2022 7:57 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:52:18 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 9:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 -0000, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel
tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying
some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the
counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022
after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive
usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet,
Americans can\'t seem to make efficient engines, no idea why.
US vehicles on average are bigger and SUV\'s predominate and there may
even be more pickup trucks than sedans.
I meant for the same horsepower, you have larger engines over there.
I also noted that price differential between diesel and gasoline is less
in UK and since diesels cost more they do not predominate in US as in UK.
I assume you mean in the US diesel is more expensive? I assume this is
a tax thing. In the UK our government taxes diesel slightly more, but
not by much. I\'m guessing the real cost of the two is pretty much the
same.
A diesel engine might cost more, but it lasts twice as long.
Your taxes are much higher and tend to level cost.
Last time passing gas station, gasoline was $3.81/gal. and diesel was
about $5.50/gal.
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:32:35 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/12/2022 7:57 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:52:18 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 9:17 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 -0000, Scott Lurndal
scott@slp53.sl.home
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel
tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying
some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the
counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022
after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive
usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet,
Americans can\'t seem to make efficient engines, no idea why.
US vehicles on average are bigger and SUV\'s predominate and there may
even be more pickup trucks than sedans.
I meant for the same horsepower, you have larger engines over there.
I also noted that price differential between diesel and gasoline is
less
in UK and since diesels cost more they do not predominate in US as
in UK.
I assume you mean in the US diesel is more expensive? I assume this is
a tax thing. In the UK our government taxes diesel slightly more, but
not by much. I\'m guessing the real cost of the two is pretty much the
same.
A diesel engine might cost more, but it lasts twice as long.
Your taxes are much higher and tend to level cost.
Odd, I thought the UK government taxed diesel more due to pollution
concerns.
Last time passing gas station, gasoline was $3.81/gal. and diesel was
about $5.50/gal.
Here it\'s £1.60/litre petrol, £1.70 a litre diesel.
= $7.14/US gallon petrol, £7.59/US gallon diesel.
So what are you moaning about? Your fuel is as cheap as water!
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.