Gas shortage UK...

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On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:51:32 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 05:26:11 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:28:22 -0000, John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, 14 November 2022 at 00:33:39 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:19:12 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:29:09 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It\'s not sufficiently more eepensive to stop me using it, since diesel
engines are vastly more efficient and last longer.

Last longer than what? That argument worked better 40 or 50 years ago when
a gasoline engine was tired by 50,000 miles.
They\'re still double. I get 130K miles form a petrol engine, and 260K miles from a diesel engine.

Is that all? My petrol engine is doing fine at 207k miles. Fuel efficiency seems better
than when it was new.

I tend to drive 20 year old cars, so you\'re probably on newer designs. Also I mistreat them, driving them at the limit (of the car, not the law).

And if it\'s a Volvo engine, you double everything anyway.

I was shocked this morning, driving to work. I saw a Volvo that was
not outright ugly.

Cars serve a purpose, they are not meant to look pretty. Do you own an Apple device by any chance?
 
On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 04:52:12 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On 17 Nov 2022 04:08:26 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 11:51:32 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


I was shocked this morning, driving to work. I saw a Volvo that was not
outright ugly.

The P1800 wasn\'t bad for its time and place. The PV series had a certain
pre-war charm. Too bad they were built post-war when the rest of the world
had moved on.

A friend had a Healey 3000 that was stolen so he replaced that with
another 3000. That was also stolen. He\'d had enough of that shit and
bought a Volvo. It was also stolen but that one was recovered with minor
damage.

They\'ll steal anything in Boston; Volvos, hot stoves, elections...

Nobody stole my Ford Fiesta.

I buy the cheapest car which is in working order, keep it for 5 years, then scrap it when it won\'t go. This means nobody steals it, I pay virtually nothing in depreciation (especially as the scrap value is often a third of the original purchase price, and I can often take parts out of it to sell first). My current car doesn\'t even lock. Nobody has ever stolen anything out of it, despite leaving satnav, mobile phone, and several tools in the back.

Don\'t get me started on electric cars, they just aren\'t worth the expense. If you can charge them for free (certain government run car parks, but how long will that last?), you can save money, but you still have a huge initial outlay.
 
On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:17:39 -0000, John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 05:26:23 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:28:22 -0000, John Walliker <jrwal...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, 14 November 2022 at 00:33:39 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:19:12 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:29:09 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It\'s not sufficiently more eepensive to stop me using it, since diesel
engines are vastly more efficient and last longer.

Last longer than what? That argument worked better 40 or 50 years ago when
a gasoline engine was tired by 50,000 miles.
They\'re still double. I get 130K miles form a petrol engine, and 260K miles from a diesel engine.

Is that all? My petrol engine is doing fine at 207k miles. Fuel efficiency seems better
than when it was new.
I tend to drive 20 year old cars, so you\'re probably on newer designs. Also I mistreat them, driving them at the limit (of the car, not the law).

And if it\'s a Volvo engine, you double everything anyway.

It is a Volvo engine (and car). Its about 23 years old.

My dad\'s petrol Volvo was at 260K when he sold it, with the engine running perfectly.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:32:12 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:50:03 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 10:09:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:05:12 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 05:41:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 05:21:35 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 04:55:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 04:36:26 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

It\'s more of a local place than the monsters like Squaw and Northstar.
One of the runs is called Pacific Crest Trail because it is. One peak
is Mt Disney because Walt was one of the original investors. So it\'s a
Mickey Mouse ski area.

The prevailing wind off the ocean rises and peaks just about there. In
a good year they get 80 feet of snow. One year we skiied on the 4th of
July.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgu1x1ajlk3rpit/July_4_Bikini.jpg?raw=1

Pah, I prefer it when they\'re cold.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/47/77/8c/47778c5bb078f4ac26ff9e0428d69d8c.jpg

It\'s fun to soak in a nice hot tub and let your hair freeze.

Sissy.

Girls make the experience even better.

Shivering girls are even better.

If I go on some passive vacation, I\'ll think about electronics all the
time. I can ski from 9AM to 4PM with just a couple of breaks, up in
the gorgeous mountains, and basically not think much at all. Then when
I\'m done I\'m too tired to think.

Skiing has actually taught me a lot. About trusting your body and your
instincts, about hesitation and commitment, about dynamics.

Indeed. Best to do everything subconsciously. Trying to calculate things takes too long and you come across things you didn\'t expect. Same goes for driving.

Do you calculate steering and braking forces as you drive?

No, my point exactly. I use instincts as you said.

In engineeering new ideas are usually qualitative and subconscious.
May as well get them while you\'re asleep. Ideas only need analysis
(classic math or simulation) once they exist. Good quantity instincts
will usually disqualify really bad ideas before you wake up.

Indeed. And always have something to write down stuff as soon as you wake up, especially if like me you wake up multiple times in the night. I\'ve been known to remember 6 different dreams by morning. The craziest one was placing a bet on Ladbrokes online. I then did so the next day and won the same £100 as in the dream. But calculating the odds, I should have lost several hundred.

I have to write ideas down at 3 AM, or I\'ll forget them.

Same here. I have a torch and a notepad and pen next to my bed.

Of course, if you do that it\'s too often obvious in the light of day
how crazy the ideas were. But we embrace all ideas, even the crazy
ones.

Crazy is always fun and often surprisingly correct.

Often the path to a great idea is through a region of crazy ideas.
Rejecting ideas too soon blocks that path. The issue is, how do you
explore a basically infinite solution space? You sure can\'t do that
consciously, one idea at a time.

This is cool,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382

presenting the concept that our frontal cortexes are prissy censors of
new ideas. Stop thinking and invent something!

I never remember dreams.

Look up Novadreamer.

I suppose I have them. I do have
hallucinations, which are different. They are fun.

Does this require ingestion of mushrooms?

No. I have very brief, a second or two, extremely brilliant and
beautiful and colorful still images, usually a place (a little english
village for example) or a woman\'s face. One reason I like them is
because I have mediocre vision, but the hallucinations are optically
perfect. I wish I had more.

I\'ve read that over 20% of the population has hallucinations, but most
people have acoustic ones.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:32:55 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:51:32 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 05:26:11 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:28:22 -0000, John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, 14 November 2022 at 00:33:39 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:19:12 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:29:09 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It\'s not sufficiently more eepensive to stop me using it, since diesel
engines are vastly more efficient and last longer.

Last longer than what? That argument worked better 40 or 50 years ago when
a gasoline engine was tired by 50,000 miles.
They\'re still double. I get 130K miles form a petrol engine, and 260K miles from a diesel engine.

Is that all? My petrol engine is doing fine at 207k miles. Fuel efficiency seems better
than when it was new.

I tend to drive 20 year old cars, so you\'re probably on newer designs. Also I mistreat them, driving them at the limit (of the car, not the law).

And if it\'s a Volvo engine, you double everything anyway.

I was shocked this morning, driving to work. I saw a Volvo that was
not outright ugly.

Cars serve a purpose, they are not meant to look pretty.

Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.

> Do you own an Apple device by any chance?

None.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:16:36 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

> Often the path to a great idea is through a region of crazy ideas.

Yeah, you useless blithering senile Yankietard, keep talking to a proven
clinically insane troll about great ideas! LOL
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:19:59 -0800, John Larkin, another mentally deficient,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:


Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.

Seems more like Usenet has become a niche for useless senile Yankietards and
bullshit artists like you!
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:34:34 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


My dad\'s petrol Volvo was at 260K when he sold it, with the engine
running perfectly.

Miles or kilometers? Which leads to the question of how you can put 260K
on anything on a little island.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:19:59 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/15-angry-looking-cars-you-dont-want-
in-your-rearview/

They screwed up and showed an Audi rather than the Golf R, but that\'s the
sort of treatment my latest Yaris has. I had a second generation that
looked decent. This is a third generation that started getting ugly. The
fourth and final restyling attempt was worse. Topping them all for sheer
ugly was the GR Yaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris

A 1500cc engine doesn\'t need a grille the size of a barn door.
 
lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 20.37.33 UTC+1 skrev rbowman:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:19:59 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/15-angry-looking-cars-you-dont-want-
in-your-rearview/

They screwed up and showed an Audi rather than the Golf R, but that\'s the
sort of treatment my latest Yaris has. I had a second generation that
looked decent. This is a third generation that started getting ugly. The
fourth and final restyling attempt was worse. Topping them all for sheer
ugly was the GR Yaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris

A 1500cc engine doesn\'t need a grille the size of a barn door.

it does when it is a 270hp homologation special ...
 
On 19 Nov 2022 19:37:25 GMT, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


They screwed up and showed an Audi rather than the Golf R, but that\'s the
sort of treatment my latest Yaris has. I had a second generation that
looked decent. This is a third generation that started getting ugly. The
fourth and final restyling attempt was worse. Topping them all for sheer
ugly was the GR Yaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris

A 1500cc engine doesn\'t need a grille the size of a barn door.

Unlike you endlessly gossiping senile washerwoman who NEEDS a gob the size
of a barn door. <BG>

--
More of the senile gossip\'s absolutely idiotic senile blather:
\"I stopped for breakfast at a diner in Virginia when the state didn\'t do
DST. I remarked on the time difference and the crusty old waitress said
\'We keep God\'s time in Virginia.\'

I also lived in Ft. Wayne for a while.\"

MID: <t0tjfa$6r5$1@dont-email.me>
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:16:36 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


presenting the concept that our frontal cortexes are prissy censors of
new ideas. Stop thinking and invent something!

I lean towards epiphenomenalism. All that fancy inner dialogue is noise
from the real work. The trace on an o-scope isn\'t the signal.

As far as alcohol, I once got into a barroom conversation with a tech rep
who was calling on a local defense contractor. During the course of the
evening I roughed out a design for an electronic ignition system for
something live the Vulcan. It must have been good because he contacted me
the next day and offered to set up an interview. I passed since I only had
the vaguest idea of what sort of smoke I\'d been blowing.

It would have been an interesting project. Electrical primers are nothing
new. Germany was using them during WWII in aircraft weapons but there
still is the mechanical component of the \'firing pin\' making contact with
the primer.
 
On 12/11/2022 15:24, Max Demian wrote:
On 12/11/2022 12:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:02:44 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 23:56, John Larkin wrote:

We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
I generally drive at leats 1000 miles to avoid a ski weekend.
Fortunately, they happen in other countries *shudder*

Why would you avoid athletic activity?

Why would you not? It\'s \"school work\". (When I was in primary school
they never had any equipment like swings &c. Just bare asphalt.)
I was crap at anything athletic at school. My first problem was having a
birthday late in the year; and I was small for my age. I avoided it like
the plague.

When they got to about 16 everyone else stopped growing.

I went on a summer camp after I\'d finished school, and there was an
orienteering competition. Which if you don\'t know is a cross-country run
with a map. I came second. Then had to explain that yes, I knew I was
that fit, but no, I did not want to spend my Saturdays representing the
school, I wanted to go sailing instead.

I still go sailing 40-odd years later. It\'s a complicated sport which
has kept my interest, and at small boat level not as expensive as people
think. Not as expensive as for example going to away matches with your
local football team.

Andy
 
On 11/20/2022 1:13 PM, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 12/11/2022 15:24, Max Demian wrote:
On 12/11/2022 12:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:02:44 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 23:56, John Larkin wrote:

We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
I generally drive at leats 1000 miles to avoid a ski weekend.
Fortunately, they happen in other countries *shudder*

Why would you avoid athletic activity?

Why would you not? It\'s \"school work\". (When I was in primary school
they never had any equipment like swings &c. Just bare asphalt.)

I was crap at anything athletic at school. My first problem was having a
birthday late in the year; and I was small for my age. I avoided it like
the plague.

When they got to about 16 everyone else stopped growing.

I went on a summer camp after I\'d finished school, and there was an
orienteering competition. Which if you don\'t know is a cross-country run
with a map. I came second. Then had to explain that yes, I knew I was
that fit, but no, I did not want to spend my Saturdays representing the
school, I wanted to go sailing instead.

I still go sailing 40-odd years later. It\'s a complicated sport which
has kept my interest, and at small boat level not as expensive as people
think. Not as expensive as for example going to away matches with your
local football team.

The slopes will be opening in the next couple weeks, and I am looking
forward to some more serious snowboarding. At 73, I still love deep
powder runs all over the mountain. I also play volleyball twice a week,
and have been riding my bike 14 miles to and from those games during
fair weather for the last several years. That gets me in shape for the
mountain.

I too was crap at high school athletics. Maybe if someone had told me
what the rules were, I could have figured them out. I considered myself
to be completely non-athletic, but did not think about how my water
skiing 30-40 minutes at a time might relate to that until I tried it
after being away at college for a few years.
 
On 20/11/2022 21:13, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 12/11/2022 15:24, Max Demian wrote:
On 12/11/2022 12:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 10:02:44 -0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 09/11/2022 23:56, John Larkin wrote:

We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
I generally drive at leats 1000 miles to avoid a ski weekend.
Fortunately, they happen in other countries *shudder*

Why would you avoid athletic activity?

Why would you not? It\'s \"school work\". (When I was in primary school
they never had any equipment like swings &c. Just bare asphalt.)

I was crap at anything athletic at school. My first problem was having a
birthday late in the year; and I was small for my age. I avoided it like
the plague.

When they got to about 16 everyone else stopped growing.

I went on a summer camp after I\'d finished school, and there was an
orienteering competition. Which if you don\'t know is a cross-country run
with a map. I came second. Then had to explain that yes, I knew I was
that fit, but no, I did not want to spend my Saturdays representing the
school, I wanted to go sailing instead.

I still go sailing 40-odd years later. It\'s a complicated sport which
has kept my interest, and at small boat level not as expensive as people
think. Not as expensive as for example going to away matches with your
local football team.

I loved badminton, pirates and murder ball. Pirates involved one person
having to tig the rest of the class, with all the gym equipment out and
no-one allowed to touch the floor. Murder ball was the best, one mat at
each end of the gym, a medicine ball in the middle, the class split in
two and each half had to get the ball onto the opposing teams mat ...
there were *NO* other rules. The latter two were banned by the council,
but we still did them at the end of each term.

I played badminton most lunchtimes for years.

Unfortunately, the school was only interested in football - to the
extent that when the pitch was frozen solid and we were at risk of
injury, they kept those on the school team in the gym to keep them fit
for the weekend\'s match and made the rest of us do football outside!

The result was that I pretty well loathed PE and was very glad when, for
18 months or so, I had ingrowing toenails and could not do sport. The PE
teacher used to send all those unfit for sport out picking litter from
around the pitch, but I could not do that, as bending down put weight
right on my toes. I took great delight in telling him that I could not
do so, why and that \"I was going to go over to the Engineering workshop
and do something *USEFUL*.\"
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 21:04:18 -0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk> wrote:

On 19/11/2022 19:18, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 08:34:34 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:


My dad\'s petrol Volvo was at 260K when he sold it, with the engine
running perfectly.

Miles or kilometers? Which leads to the question of how you can put 260K
on anything on a little island.

It\'s easy enough. While I drive a pretty average milage now, I used to
drive all the time, both for work and privately. My peak was almost
20,000 miles of private use (friends spread over the country and a
couple of European trips) and 37,000 miles of business use (in the
office around Manchester one day, client site in Portsmouth the next,
Kilmarnock 2 days later), in a year. I got a new company car and put
1,200 miles on it in the first week.

Indeed. Central Scotland to South England (me to my Aunt\'s house) is 460 miles, so almost 1K miles round trip.

And lo and behold, that Volvo went right round France.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:16:36 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:32:12 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:50:03 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 10:09:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:05:12 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 05:41:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 05:21:35 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 04:55:59 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2022 04:36:26 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

It\'s more of a local place than the monsters like Squaw and Northstar.
One of the runs is called Pacific Crest Trail because it is. One peak
is Mt Disney because Walt was one of the original investors. So it\'s a
Mickey Mouse ski area.

The prevailing wind off the ocean rises and peaks just about there. In
a good year they get 80 feet of snow. One year we skiied on the 4th of
July.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgu1x1ajlk3rpit/July_4_Bikini.jpg?raw=1

Pah, I prefer it when they\'re cold.
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/47/77/8c/47778c5bb078f4ac26ff9e0428d69d8c.jpg

It\'s fun to soak in a nice hot tub and let your hair freeze.

Sissy.

Girls make the experience even better.

Shivering girls are even better.

If I go on some passive vacation, I\'ll think about electronics all the
time. I can ski from 9AM to 4PM with just a couple of breaks, up in
the gorgeous mountains, and basically not think much at all. Then when
I\'m done I\'m too tired to think.

Skiing has actually taught me a lot. About trusting your body and your
instincts, about hesitation and commitment, about dynamics.

Indeed. Best to do everything subconsciously. Trying to calculate things takes too long and you come across things you didn\'t expect. Same goes for driving.

Do you calculate steering and braking forces as you drive?

No, my point exactly. I use instincts as you said.

In engineeering new ideas are usually qualitative and subconscious..
May as well get them while you\'re asleep. Ideas only need analysis
(classic math or simulation) once they exist. Good quantity instincts
will usually disqualify really bad ideas before you wake up.

Indeed. And always have something to write down stuff as soon as you wake up, especially if like me you wake up multiple times in the night. I\'ve been known to remember 6 different dreams by morning. The craziest one was placing a bet on Ladbrokes online. I then did so the next day and won the same £100 as in the dream. But calculating the odds, I should have lost several hundred.

I have to write ideas down at 3 AM, or I\'ll forget them.

Same here. I have a torch and a notepad and pen next to my bed.

Of course, if you do that it\'s too often obvious in the light of day
how crazy the ideas were. But we embrace all ideas, even the crazy
ones.

Crazy is always fun and often surprisingly correct.

Often the path to a great idea is through a region of crazy ideas.
Rejecting ideas too soon blocks that path. The issue is, how do you
explore a basically infinite solution space? You sure can\'t do that
consciously, one idea at a time.

This is cool,

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316453382

presenting the concept that our frontal cortexes are prissy censors of
new ideas. Stop thinking and invent something!


I never remember dreams.

Look up Novadreamer.

I suppose I have them. I do have
hallucinations, which are different. They are fun.

Does this require ingestion of mushrooms?

No. I have very brief, a second or two, extremely brilliant and
beautiful and colorful still images, usually a place (a little english
village for example) or a woman\'s face. One reason I like them is
because I have mediocre vision, but the hallucinations are optically
perfect. I wish I had more.

I\'ve read that over 20% of the population has hallucinations, but most
people have acoustic ones.

I don\'t think I have any. I can hear voices but I think it\'s just blood going through my ears with too much wax, the voices are not intelligible.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:19:59 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 05:32:55 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 19:51:32 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 16 Nov 2022 05:26:11 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 11:28:22 -0000, John Walliker <jrwalliker@gmail.com> wrote:

On Monday, 14 November 2022 at 00:33:39 UTC, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 00:19:12 -0000, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2022 21:29:09 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It\'s not sufficiently more eepensive to stop me using it, since diesel
engines are vastly more efficient and last longer.

Last longer than what? That argument worked better 40 or 50 years ago when
a gasoline engine was tired by 50,000 miles.
They\'re still double. I get 130K miles form a petrol engine, and 260K miles from a diesel engine.

Is that all? My petrol engine is doing fine at 207k miles. Fuel efficiency seems better
than when it was new.

I tend to drive 20 year old cars, so you\'re probably on newer designs. Also I mistreat them, driving them at the limit (of the car, not the law).

And if it\'s a Volvo engine, you double everything anyway.

I was shocked this morning, driving to work. I saw a Volvo that was
not outright ugly.

Cars serve a purpose, they are not meant to look pretty.

Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.

I don\'t see any ugly ones, but I do see plain ones. BMW for instance all look the fucking same.

Do you own an Apple device by any chance?

None.

Then why are you so obsessed with looks?
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:37:25 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:19:59 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.

https://www.motortrend.com/features/15-angry-looking-cars-you-dont-want-
in-your-rearview/

Those 4 look ok to me. Top left and bottom right are beautiful, the other two are perfectly fine.

> They screwed up and showed an Audi rather than the Golf R,

Same company. Same car really.

but that\'s the
sort of treatment my latest Yaris has. I had a second generation that
looked decent. This is a third generation that started getting ugly. The
fourth and final restyling attempt was worse. Topping them all for sheer
ugly was the GR Yaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris

A 1500cc engine doesn\'t need a grille the size of a barn door.

That one does look ridiculous. In fact it\'s so square you\'d think it lacked aerodynamics and would fail the health and softy test for ramming pedestrians.
 
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 19:46:47 -0000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

lørdag den 19. november 2022 kl. 20.37.33 UTC+1 skrev rbowman:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:19:59 -0800, John Larkin wrote:


Some are designed to be agressively ugly. There seems to be a niche
market for ugly.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/15-angry-looking-cars-you-dont-want-
in-your-rearview/

They screwed up and showed an Audi rather than the Golf R, but that\'s the
sort of treatment my latest Yaris has. I had a second generation that
looked decent. This is a third generation that started getting ugly. The
fourth and final restyling attempt was worse. Topping them all for sheer
ugly was the GR Yaris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_Yaris

A 1500cc engine doesn\'t need a grille the size of a barn door.

it does when it is a 270hp homologation special ...

Are they still making petrol cars?

Why did you delete two thirds of the newsgroups?
 

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