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On 11/6/2022 4:49 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/6/2022 6:55 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:40:44 -0000, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 11/6/22 14:01, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:43:51 -0000, corvid <bl@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 11/6/22 07:36, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
It\'s happening already....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0
I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks
like the gas tank\'s running out....
We are winning the war on energy.
âUnder my plan ⦠electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.â
Barack Obama
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/
You\'d rather not have disclosures upfront? He sounds like someone
I\'d be
comfortable buying a house from.
Obama or Pence?
Obama! Look past his plan, which you don\'t have to like, and give him
some credit for having the mettle to say what he said, when he said it.
He\'s left wing, so I pay no attention. He steals from the rich to pay
the poor.
Obama became filthy rich while in office. You get what you pay for.
obama didnât get rich by being president. he got his wealth when he left
the oval office, from writing books, a big netflix deal, and speaking
fees.. this is verifiable: his financial statements are on line.
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 19:28:20 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 18:01:01 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/6/2022 11:08 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 15:36:11 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
It\'s happening already....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0
I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like
the gas tank\'s running out....
We are winning the war on energy.
Explain.
âUnder my plan ⦠electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.â
Barack Obama
Explain.
Our democrat party has all said we must suffer through these pains as we
are crucified on the green cross.
I fail to see why people vote for left wing clowns.
Because most people don\'t understand control theory, can\'t distinguish
between short and long term effects.
\"Commander Kinsey\" <CK1@nospam.com> writes:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 22:29:52 -0000, Ed Pawlowski <esp@snet.xxx> wrote:
On 11/6/2022 4:06 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On 6 Nov 2022 20:11:58 GMT, Spike <Aero.Spike@mail.invalid> wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:38:38 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:25:22 -0000, John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandsnipmetechnology.com> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Nov 2022 15:48:52 +0000, Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me
wrote:
On 06/11/2022 14:46, Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0
I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like the
gas tank\'s running out....
Maybe Europe has more energy than it knows what to do with, e.g. wind,
rather than we are low on gas.
There is no obvious way to store even one full day\'s use of electrical
energy.
You can buy a battery which will power your home for a week.
A Powerwall costs about $11K and is claimed to power a typical house
for 1.5 days. Between fires.
Grid-scale storage would have to power industry and transport too, and
cooking and cooling and heating for all-electric homes after NG is
banned.
I get the impression that the idea of the renewables programme is to get
rid of industry, transport, and people.
Yes. The greenie thing is a path to power through fear.
Oil is finite. What is your plan? When should it kick in?
When it\'s running out the cost will sort things.
By then it will be too late.
https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/10/the-energy-trap/
(and the cost _is_ currently sorting things, as it
is running out; just look at the known reserves, the
current production and the historic production/consumption
curves).
On 2022/11/06 10:02 p.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/11/2022 02:09, John Robertson wrote:
On 2022/11/06 6:46 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
It\'s happening already....
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iph3vmipjmk6qu/grid.jpg?dl=0
I\'ve never seen the cables from Europe maxed out before. Looks like
the gas tank\'s running out....
You know that actually providing a link to a data source is of use to
people - they can either agree or refute your claim.
What I see is pretty normal usage and well under capacity.
https://gridwatch.co.uk/
Please don\'t promote that scam site
Sorry, didn\'t realize it was.
The OP didn\'t include a link to the site name, and it wasn\'t obvious
from the image. I was bored and didn\'t do due diligence. My mistake.
https:gridwatch.org.uk is the genuine not for profit one
That would have been easy to include that link by the OP.
I was surprised how much wind-power is contributing to the overall
energy budget.
You hadn\'t bothered to actually plot the latest storms sweeping across
the UK?
Europe generating lots of stupid wind energy, cant get rid of it, so
sell it to Britain at silly prices.
Britain says \'thank you\' and shuts down gas.
It will all be the other way tomorrow.
That is how energy grids are supposed to work, surpluses in one area
offset shortages or more expensive energy in others. It is a perpetual
balancing act.
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 03:21:46 -0000, Bob F <bobn...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/6/2022 4:49 PM, Frank wrote:
On 11/6/2022 6:55 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 23:40:44 -0000, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 11/6/22 14:01, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 21:43:51 -0000, corvid <b...@ckb.ird> wrote:
On 11/6/22 07:36, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 06 Nov 2022 14:46:37 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\" <C...@nospam.com> wrote:
Obama became filthy rich while in office. You get what you pay for.
Obama didnât get rich by being president. he got his wealth when he left the oval office, from writing books, a big netflix deal, and speaking fees.. this is verifiable: his financial statements are on line.
And those things would have happened if he wasn\'t president?
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022 after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet, and they drive on average
only a third of the annual miles compared with those in the
US.
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 18:19:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:50:05 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
66fnmhdoa1lhoula6j8hj8o76id5cfufpk@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car.
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
We drive miles, and we call it LNG.
On 11/9/2022 12:46 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 18:19:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:50:05 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
66fnmhdoa1lhoula6j8hj8o76id5cfufpk@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car.
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
We drive miles, and we call it LNG.
Except for when it is LPG, which is most of the time for cars.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/what-ever-happened-to-natural-gas-powered-cars/#:~:text=It%20powers%20some%20long%2Dhaul,driver%20for%20the%20average%20family.
On Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:07:51 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/13/2022 9:24 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:40:00 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/12/2022 10:55 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022 15:32:35 -0000, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Saw a video yesterday that OPEC\'s dropping output by just 2% caused a lot of the price rise. If our asshole in charge would take the throttle off US production price would fall considerably. Unfortunately the greenies own him.
Greenies are a pest and should be gassed.
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel
tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying some
conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the
counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022
after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive
usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet, and they drive on average
only a third of the annual miles compared with those in the
US.
We have a giant country. 2600 miles from San Francisco to Manhattan.
Just California is over 800 miles long.
In your tiny old country, you can\'t drive very far.
We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?
On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:50:05 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
66fnmhdoa1lhoula6j8hj8o76id5cfufpk@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car.
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying some conversion set.
On 11/9/2022 3:46 PM, John Larkin wrote:
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car..
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
We drive miles, and we call it LNG.
Does not matter what you call it, what is it? LPG and LNG are different
things. Call it what it is. Both have been used in automobiles.
Facts matter
Some very common questions for those new to LNG â âwhat is LNG? Is it
propane or LPG?â
The answer is ânoâ and here is a brief explanation:
LPG is short for Liquified Petroleum Gas. LPG can be Propane, Butane
isobutane and can be a mixture of these gasses. In the United States,
LPG is thought of as propane but while propane is a LPG, not all LPG is
propane.
On 11/9/2022 12:46 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 18:19:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:50:05 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
66fnmhdoa1lhoula6j8hj8o76id5cfufpk@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car.
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
We drive miles, and we call it LNG.
Except for when it is LPG, which is most of the time for cars.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/what-ever-happened-to-natural-gas-powered-cars/#:~:text=It%20powers%20some%20long%2Dhaul,driver%20for%20the%20average%20family.
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 16:11:09 -0800, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 12:46 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 18:19:13 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:50:05 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
66fnmhdoa1lhoula6j8hj8o76id5cfufpk@4ax.com>:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car.
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
We drive miles, and we call it LNG.
Except for when it is LPG, which is most of the time for cars.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/what-ever-happened-to-natural-gas-powered-cars/#:~:text=It%20powers%20some%20long%2Dhaul,driver%20for%20the%20average%20family.
In the US, CNG and LNG cars are fueled with natural gas. One of my
employees drives a CNG car. LNG is cryo stuff.
LPG is sometimes called Autogas, and is a mixture of propane and
butane, liquid at room temp under reasonable pressure. We also use
that for blowtorches and BBQs and such.
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
On 11/9/2022 1:19 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 09 Nov 2022 06:50:05 -0800) it happened John Larkin
jlarkin@highlandSNIPMEtechnology.com> wrote in
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 08:13:14 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/11/2022 16:56, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 8 Nov 2022 16:40:57 +0000, SteveW <steve@walker-family.me.uk
wrote:
On 08/11/2022 01:41, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 23:37:35 -0000, \"Commander Kinsey\"
CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
On Mon, 07 Nov 2022 19:55:17 -0000, John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> wrote:
On Mon, 7 Nov 2022 17:59:28 +0000, Vir Campestris
vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/11/2022 22:28, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Gasoline is not Methane. They are two different things, and
gasoline both becoming scarce, becoming expensive and in
small lawn equipment, very polluting.
Scott, the thread title points to this being in the UK.
In the UK gas usually means methane. The stuff we put in our cars is
petrol - petroleum spirit.
Andy
The car stuff is officially \"gasoline\" in the USA.
But calling it gas means it gets confused with real gas.
I don\'t think many people get confused.
It could be very confusing if there if you also include the posibility
of a gas (LPG) powered car.
That would be an \"LNG powered car\" or a \"hydrogen powered car.\" Both
rare.
No, it would be an LPG powered car. Liquefied Petroleum Gas.
Not confusing at all.
Seems to have confused you.
Don\'t be an obnoxious jerk. Nobody likes jerks.
In the USA we have clearly labeled cars and trucks: LNG and CNG. Both
natural gas, mostly methane. The cars can ride in commute lanes with
just the driver onboard.
LPG usually means propane. Some forklifts run on propane, as do rural
homes without piped gas (ie, NG) service. It\'s expensive.
I recall rural cabins with underground butane tanks.
Look Mr Larkin
I had a LPG car for many many years
Reason: LPG was, when I bought it, a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
That changed over the years as government here started taxing it more and more.
Anyways it is stored in liquid form in a pressurized tank in the car.
Liquified Petrolium Gas
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022 after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022 after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet,
and they drive on average
only a third of the annual miles compared with those in the
US. UK public transit is far superior than that available
in the US. The longest straight-line road-trip in the UI is
from Land\'s End to John \'o Groats, 603 miles (814 by vehicle).
Comparing UK prices to US prices for fuel isn\'t particularly useful.
On Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:09:14 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
John Larkin <jlarkin@highland_atwork_technology.com> writes:
On Wed, 9 Nov 2022 14:01:01 -0500, Frank <Frank@frank..net> wrote:
Mine had a selection button: petrol or LPG, so also a normal fuel tank.
Lots of people who did drive many km used LPG.
Nothing rare about it, most fuel station have it here.
You could also add LPG to an existing petrol car by just buying some conversion set.
When I did away with it I think I had about 250,000 km on the counter.
USA? Never heard about it, did not its states fall apart in 2022 after the midterms?
UK petrol costs twice as much as US gasoline. Taxes often drive usage.
Given that, they deserve different names.
The UK petrol/diesel fleet gets almost twice the fleetwide
MPG as the corresponding US fleet, and they drive on average
only a third of the annual miles compared with those in the
US.
We have a giant country. 2600 miles from San Francisco to Manhattan.
Just California is over 800 miles long.
We drive about 190 miles each way for a ski weekend. How far do you
drive for a ski weekend?