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Autymn D. C.
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conover@email.rahul.net wrote:
kelvins are not degrees.
not millihertz.!
due
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Eeyore
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"Autymn D. C." wrote:
Graham
Tell that to the public.
Graham
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mensanator@aol.compost
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
It doesn't matter how cheap the gas is,
the heat you get from a light bulb is FREE
because you're paying for the light, not the heat.
That makes the heat actually CHEAPER than free
since you have to buy less gas.
Actually, what I SHOULD have said is:
It doesn't matter how cheap the gas is,
the heat you get from a light bulb is FREE
because you're paying for the light, not the heat.
That makes the heat actually CHEAPER than free
since you have to buy less gas.
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mensanator@aol.compost
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Rich Grise wrote:
to 0 deg Kelvin?
Are you aware of just how HOT the Antarctic is compared
to 0 deg Kelvin?
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jasen
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On 2006-12-08, Joel Kolstad <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
--
Bye.
Jasen
hmm, how to get gas into a fuel cell...
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Bye.
Jasen
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terry
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CoreyWhite wrote:
misspelled.
And the various 'spell checkers' know it!
The most common misspelling is "Flourescent".
I don't know how anybody can jump to the conclusion that there is a
conspiracy to keep certain bulbs off the market! No evidence is
presented here.
Also; assuming that 'Fluorescent bulbs' here means those that either
screw or plug in, as direct replacement for conventional incandescent
types, apparently there is definitely a significant energy saving. But
on whether they are worth while from an overall 'economic' point of
view 'The jury still seems to be out'?
The cheap ones are not reliable they either fail long before their
stated life or fall apart or don't work very well in the low
temperatures that area fact of life for much of North America and parts
of Europe.
We can buy either conventional incandescents or fluorescent bulbs
almost anywhere!
Currently one can buy four cheap bulbs in a package (4, 60, 100 watt
etc.) for anywhere from 88 cents to around a dollar Canadian. Plus
sales tax that works out to about 22 cents US or roughly 15 UK pence.
They last a reasonable time and if not left on for long periods don't
use much energy. Since we use electricity for heating anything then
bulbs 'waste; contributes to our heating.
Don't know why but this word 'FLUORESCENT' must be one of the most
misspelled.
And the various 'spell checkers' know it!
The most common misspelling is "Flourescent".
I don't know how anybody can jump to the conclusion that there is a
conspiracy to keep certain bulbs off the market! No evidence is
presented here.
Also; assuming that 'Fluorescent bulbs' here means those that either
screw or plug in, as direct replacement for conventional incandescent
types, apparently there is definitely a significant energy saving. But
on whether they are worth while from an overall 'economic' point of
view 'The jury still seems to be out'?
The cheap ones are not reliable they either fail long before their
stated life or fall apart or don't work very well in the low
temperatures that area fact of life for much of North America and parts
of Europe.
We can buy either conventional incandescents or fluorescent bulbs
almost anywhere!
Currently one can buy four cheap bulbs in a package (4, 60, 100 watt
etc.) for anywhere from 88 cents to around a dollar Canadian. Plus
sales tax that works out to about 22 cents US or roughly 15 UK pence.
They last a reasonable time and if not left on for long periods don't
use much energy. Since we use electricity for heating anything then
bulbs 'waste; contributes to our heating.
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OG
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"terry" <tsanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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winter whether you need it or not; and they most probably dump the heat in
the wrong places. You want heating, you should put your electricity through
a heater.
Over the expected lifetime of an incandescent bulb, the cost of the bulb is
insignificant compared to the cost of the energy it uses.
True, this is not the case for fluoresents, but the saving is still
significant.
100W incandescent bulb uses about 10$ US electricity per 1000 hours.
A comparable fluorescent will use $2 - $3 in the same time, and should last
6x longer.
There are places where an incandescent is more useful - inside cupboards, on
dimmer switches, and some PIR triggered systems, but for main room lights
you should be confident of saving at least $10 US per year for each
fluorescent bulb you buy.
news:1165635100.055069.243410@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Yes, incandescents do provide some heating, but they provide it summer and
winter whether you need it or not; and they most probably dump the heat in
the wrong places. You want heating, you should put your electricity through
a heater.
Over the expected lifetime of an incandescent bulb, the cost of the bulb is
insignificant compared to the cost of the energy it uses.
True, this is not the case for fluoresents, but the saving is still
significant.
100W incandescent bulb uses about 10$ US electricity per 1000 hours.
A comparable fluorescent will use $2 - $3 in the same time, and should last
6x longer.
There are places where an incandescent is more useful - inside cupboards, on
dimmer switches, and some PIR triggered systems, but for main room lights
you should be confident of saving at least $10 US per year for each
fluorescent bulb you buy.
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T Wake
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"terry" <tsanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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CoreyWhite is just trolling.
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Jennie Kermode
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On 2006-12-09, terry <tsanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote:
'flouride' toothbrush'.
Jennie
--
Jennie Kermode jennie@innocent.com
http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
Heh. According to the packet it came in, I'm currently using a
'flouride' toothbrush'.
Jennie
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Jennie Kermode jennie@innocent.com
http://www.triffid.demon.co.uk/jennie
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John Fields
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:57:53 +0000, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
Finally found your niche, have you?
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JF
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Finally found your niche, have you?
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JF
Guest
In article <4579A6ED.ED344467@hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
energy star labels on the cover. My power usage dropped 100Kwh/month.
I think it was the terminal that was using most of the power.
/BAH
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
When my disk died, I moved to a Toshiba laptop that has one of those
energy star labels on the cover. My power usage dropped 100Kwh/month.
I think it was the terminal that was using most of the power.
/BAH
Guest
In article <12njd15ekdd6504@corp.supernews.com>,
"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
/BAH
"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
BOOM! Quite efficiently, but all the light shines at the same time.
/BAH
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OG
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<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
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Light and heat and improved ventilation
Guest
In article <1165593500.737962.89730@16g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
"Richard Henry" <pomerado@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is a fact of human consumption that, if a resource is not
used in one place, it will be used in another place. There is
no savings (I'm getting really tired of hearing that word) but
a redistribution.
Now, at the consumer end, there is and incentive to reduce
power usage; the bills are lower and they can spend money
on something else...like a 20'x20' HDTV.
/BAH
"Richard Henry" <pomerado@hotmail.com> wrote:
Not 20% of _total_ energy distributed.
It is a fact of human consumption that, if a resource is not
used in one place, it will be used in another place. There is
no savings (I'm getting really tired of hearing that word) but
a redistribution.
Now, at the consumer end, there is and incentive to reduce
power usage; the bills are lower and they can spend money
on something else...like a 20'x20' HDTV.
/BAH
Guest
In article <12nj57if9d6kjd0@corp.supernews.com>,
"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
room even in winter.
/BAH
"Joel Kolstad" <JKolstad71HatesSpam@yahoo.com> wrote:
In my shop, our CPUs ran so hot we had to air condition the
room even in winter.
/BAH
Guest
In article <4tvtmmF15ehi2U1@mid.individual.net>,
"OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
/BAH
"OG" <owen@gwynnefamily.org.uk> wrote:
<grin> Yep.
/BAH
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Rich Grise
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 18:38:57 -0800, mensanator@aol.compost wrote:
Cheers!
Rich
Yeah, _I_ am. "They" aren't. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
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Rich Grise
Guest
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 03:02:51 +0000, jasen wrote:
lighting? Make electricity, and run CFLs?
Haven't you ever seen a gas light? ;-)
"In this year, 1817, at the three stations belonging to the Chartered Gas
Company, 25 chaldron (24 mł) of coal were daily carbonized, producing
300,000 cubic feet (8,500 mł) of gas, which was equal to the supply of
75,000 Argand lamps, each yielding the light of six candles. At the City
Gas Works, in Dorset-street, Black-friars, the quantity of coal daily
carbonized amounted to, three chaldron, which afforded a quantity of gas
adequate to the supply of 1,500 Argand lamps; so that twenty-eight
chaldron of coal were daily carbonized at that time, and 76,500 lights
supplied by those two companies only."
--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_lighting
So, does anybody wanna do the arithmetic on how much light you get per BTU
of gas vs. electricity? ;-)
I suppose we should count the fuel for the electric plant and for the
refinery here. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
There are methane fuel cells, but what does a fuel cell have to do with
lighting? Make electricity, and run CFLs?
Haven't you ever seen a gas light? ;-)
"In this year, 1817, at the three stations belonging to the Chartered Gas
Company, 25 chaldron (24 mł) of coal were daily carbonized, producing
300,000 cubic feet (8,500 mł) of gas, which was equal to the supply of
75,000 Argand lamps, each yielding the light of six candles. At the City
Gas Works, in Dorset-street, Black-friars, the quantity of coal daily
carbonized amounted to, three chaldron, which afforded a quantity of gas
adequate to the supply of 1,500 Argand lamps; so that twenty-eight
chaldron of coal were daily carbonized at that time, and 76,500 lights
supplied by those two companies only."
--- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_lighting
So, does anybody wanna do the arithmetic on how much light you get per BTU
of gas vs. electricity? ;-)
I suppose we should count the fuel for the electric plant and for the
refinery here. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
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Rich Grise
Guest
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:03:25 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
contained within millimeters of the mantle. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Nah - if you learn to light one properly, the deflagration front is
contained within millimeters of the mantle. ;-)
Cheers!
Rich
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Rich Grise
Guest
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 14:02:21 +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
computers running, and even if it gets down to the 40's, when I come in in
the morning, it's always nice and cozy-warm. If it gets too warm, I just
open the door - it opens out onto an unheated factory.
Speaking of fluorescent lights, just a couple of months ago they got a guy
to redo my ceiling light (which is obnoxiously bright, but there's not
much I can do about it), and the guy refurbished this 8-foot fixture with
iron ballast; he took the ballast and even the socket thingies out, and
installed new socket thingies and electronic ballasts, and essentially
turned the 8' fixture into two 4' fixtures end-to-end. He also gave me
one of those screw-in fluorescents for my desk lamp.
Since the PHB is so cheap, I'm ass-u-me-ing that he's expecting a
significant savings on lighting.
Cheers!
Rich
I have an office like that: 9'4" x 9'6", 8-foot ceiling, and I leave all 4
computers running, and even if it gets down to the 40's, when I come in in
the morning, it's always nice and cozy-warm. If it gets too warm, I just
open the door - it opens out onto an unheated factory.
Speaking of fluorescent lights, just a couple of months ago they got a guy
to redo my ceiling light (which is obnoxiously bright, but there's not
much I can do about it), and the guy refurbished this 8-foot fixture with
iron ballast; he took the ballast and even the socket thingies out, and
installed new socket thingies and electronic ballasts, and essentially
turned the 8' fixture into two 4' fixtures end-to-end. He also gave me
one of those screw-in fluorescents for my desk lamp.
Since the PHB is so cheap, I'm ass-u-me-ing that he's expecting a
significant savings on lighting.
Cheers!
Rich