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redbelly
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CoreyWhite wrote:
Perhaps he really said we could save 20% off our TOTAL energy
consumption by switching to compact fluorescents.
consumption by switching to compact fluorescents.
Guest
In article <1165587005.768276.268440@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"redbelly" <redbelly98@yahoo.com> wrote:
total energy. How much of our total electric power is used
up in transmitting it?
/BAH
"redbelly" <redbelly98@yahoo.com> wrote:
That number sounds wrong. 20% in Las Vegas..maybe. But not
total energy. How much of our total electric power is used
up in transmitting it?
/BAH
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Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 05:18:18 GMT, Michael Press <jack@fake.net> wrote:
Did anyone see "Mini Ice Age" on the History Channel a few nights ago?
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Ah! A refreshing breeze of intelligence!
Did anyone see "Mini Ice Age" on the History Channel a few nights ago?
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Richard Henry
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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
in proportional savings in transmission.
Why should that matter? Savings at the consumption end should result
in proportional savings in transmission.
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Joel Kolstad
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"Edward Green" <spamspamspam3@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1165570499.565527.274790@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Well, you shouldn't discount all that free electric heating you get
with incandescents (it's free, because you've already attributed the
cost to lighting). In the winter that waves on fuel bills, and in the
summer it help our airconditioners run longer, to efficiently
dehumidify the air."
It's only "free" if you have electric heat rather than natural gas or fuel
oil, both of which are cheaper. Even then, it's arguably not quite as good as
a floor heater, since most of the heat will stay up on the ceiling where the
lamp is rather than being forced down to circulate among the people -- I
imagine draftier homes or a ceiling fan may mitigate this, however.
That being said, for people with electric heating, in winter I think running a
few spare PCs on BOINC or something similar is a pretty good idea!
news:1165570499.565527.274790@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"Well, you shouldn't discount all that free electric heating you get
with incandescents (it's free, because you've already attributed the
cost to lighting). In the winter that waves on fuel bills, and in the
summer it help our airconditioners run longer, to efficiently
dehumidify the air."
It's only "free" if you have electric heat rather than natural gas or fuel
oil, both of which are cheaper. Even then, it's arguably not quite as good as
a floor heater, since most of the heat will stay up on the ceiling where the
lamp is rather than being forced down to circulate among the people -- I
imagine draftier homes or a ceiling fan may mitigate this, however.
That being said, for people with electric heating, in winter I think running a
few spare PCs on BOINC or something similar is a pretty good idea!
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Edward Green
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
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Eeyore
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
load now is easily the PC.
Graham
Unless I have an electric heater on or the washing machine, my largest electrical
load now is easily the PC.
Graham
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mensanator@aol.compost
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
less often reducing your consumption of gas or fuel oil.
No, warmer air due to lighting makes the thermostat kick on
less often reducing your consumption of gas or fuel oil.
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Bill Beaty
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
With incandescents, a huge percentage of wasted output takes the form
of near-infrared light. Look at a spectrum plot for a typical bulb.
NIR is basically the same as red light, so if the fixture reflects
light well, then it probably reflects NIR. Both NIR and visible light
will heat the surfaces in the room.
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beaty a chem.washington.edu UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
billb a eskimo.com Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
ph425-222-5066 http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
Hold on there.
With incandescents, a huge percentage of wasted output takes the form
of near-infrared light. Look at a spectrum plot for a typical bulb.
NIR is basically the same as red light, so if the fixture reflects
light well, then it probably reflects NIR. Both NIR and visible light
will heat the surfaces in the room.
((((((((((((((((((((((( ( ( (o) ) ) )))))))))))))))))))))))
William J. Beaty Research Engineer
beaty a chem.washington.edu UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
billb a eskimo.com Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
ph425-222-5066 http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
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Bill Beaty
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mensanator@aol.compost wrote:
It'll disappear! Then you'll spend quite some time searching for the
duplicate version. In which direction was it projected? Perhaps
you'll need a shovel.
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William J. Beaty Research Engineer
beaty a chem.washington.edu UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
billb a eskimo.com Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
ph425-222-5066 http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
Just bombard a small organic object with a few KW of plasma streamers.
It'll disappear! Then you'll spend quite some time searching for the
duplicate version. In which direction was it projected? Perhaps
you'll need a shovel.
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William J. Beaty Research Engineer
beaty a chem.washington.edu UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74
billb a eskimo.com Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
ph425-222-5066 http://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/
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In article <MPG.1fe3aecfea1227a9989789@news.individual.net>, Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> writes:
smaller than the netural varioation in the figure above. Do the math.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
that the amount of water per billion vehicles per year is still much
smaller than the netural varioation in the figure above. Do the math.
Mati Meron | "When you argue with a fool,
meron@cars.uchicago.edu | chances are he is doing just the same"
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mensanator@aol.compost
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
And how many kilowatts went up the chimney?
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Michael Press
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In article
<MPG.1fe3494e5995c479989787@news.individual.net>,
Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
endemic. It did not `just happen.' That time marked the
end of a very warm period in northern Europe during
which the population grew very much larger than before.
Then the climate got cold and wet, crops failed, famine
roamed the land, and people were going to die. The
black plaque was the proximate cause.
--
Michael Press
<MPG.1fe3494e5995c479989787@news.individual.net>,
Elder <carl.robson@bouncing-czechs.com> wrote:
Here is another one. In 1348 the black plague was
endemic. It did not `just happen.' That time marked the
end of a very warm period in northern Europe during
which the population grew very much larger than before.
Then the climate got cold and wet, crops failed, famine
roamed the land, and people were going to die. The
black plaque was the proximate cause.
--
Michael Press
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Joel Kolstad
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<mensanator@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1165612742.531703.309730@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
In a 40 year old furnace, plenty... electric just might beat those out.
I'm still waiting for someone to chime in that heat pumps (for heating) are
really the way to go if you're in a milder climate. I've never had one, but
it seems that people either think they're the greatest thing since sliced
bread -- significantly saving on heating bills -- or just snake oil.
(Although interestingly no one thinks air conditioners are snake oil...)
news:1165612742.531703.309730@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
In a modern furnace, very few... they're something like 90-95% efficient.
In a 40 year old furnace, plenty... electric just might beat those out.
I'm still waiting for someone to chime in that heat pumps (for heating) are
really the way to go if you're in a milder climate. I've never had one, but
it seems that people either think they're the greatest thing since sliced
bread -- significantly saving on heating bills -- or just snake oil.
(Although interestingly no one thinks air conditioners are snake oil...)
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Rich Grise
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On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 13:56:44 -0800, Joel Kolstad wrote:
hell do you pump heat OUT OF that freezing cold out there, into the
(relatively) warm room?" - i.e., it's kinda counter-intuitive, like a
gas refrigerator.
Cheers!
Rich
They don't think it's snake oil, exactly; it's more like, "Well, how the
hell do you pump heat OUT OF that freezing cold out there, into the
(relatively) warm room?" - i.e., it's kinda counter-intuitive, like a
gas refrigerator.
Cheers!
Rich
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Elder
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In article <1165459739.472102.217660@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
twigbeca@yahoo.com says...
for a far greater profit than if you sold them for the right reasons.
If something is sold as cheaper, people expect the POS price to be
cheaper, not the length/replacement cycle.
if you sell something as longer lasting and saving the planet, people
expect it to cost more, but quite often will pay it.
Environmental economics in action. It pays to sell green.
--
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
Now Playing at home:Robert Johnson-Honeymoon Blues
twigbeca@yahoo.com says...
you can sell all your envirobunkum products for all the wrong reasons
for a far greater profit than if you sold them for the right reasons.
If something is sold as cheaper, people expect the POS price to be
cheaper, not the length/replacement cycle.
if you sell something as longer lasting and saving the planet, people
expect it to cost more, but quite often will pay it.
Environmental economics in action. It pays to sell green.
--
Carl Robson
Audio stream: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com:8000/samtest
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
Now Playing at home:Robert Johnson-Honeymoon Blues
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Eeyore
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Elder wrote:
theory. Never tell ppl about your real intentions.
Politicians find this works well for them too.
Graham
I have a cunning plan also based on a similar related application of this
theory. Never tell ppl about your real intentions.
Politicians find this works well for them too.
Graham
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Edward Green
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OG wrote:
follows is that PC's (petroleum companies) accept that the perception
of GW (global warming) is real, and may hurt their BI's (business
interests).
George Washington?
Assuming your premise is true, your conclusion doesn't follow: what
follows is that PC's (petroleum companies) accept that the perception
of GW (global warming) is real, and may hurt their BI's (business
interests).
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Autymn D. C.
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sequiters -> sequiturs
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Autymn D. C.
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Joseph Brenner wrote:
http://1911encyclopedia.org/Lighting
offshoot to soft tints, look up "pink" in
http://1911encyclopedia.org/Lighting