EV Battery Swap To Replace Charging...

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 1:47:11 PM UTC-4, John wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Don\'t those batteries still need to be recharged? Or will they be
trucked to somewhere near a power plant to recharge?

Yes. Their claim is they only charge them, and at a slow charge rate, when the solar and wind are powering the grid. It doesn\'t have to be done immediately. They don\'t say what their logistics model is, but, whatever, they\'re confident they can meet demand.

How many \"shoebox-sized battery modules\" will, say, an SUV need?

I have no idea, but they claim they will be able to support those \"last mile\" types of delivery services, and they mostly drive suv\'s.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:38:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.
From Bloomberg Hyperdrive:

So far, the company [ Ample ] has signed partnerships with five vehicle manufacturers and designed adapter plates for 20 EV models. Parked in Ample’s warehouse during its demo were a Fiat 500 and a Citroen van made by Stellantis, as well as the Niro, a Nissan Leaf, Fisker’s Ocean SUV and an urban mini-car made by German manufacturer e.Go.
If they offer a new 32KWhr battery for the Leaf at the right price, I might swap it once.
I would do it now for $13.

I think their plan for buying a batteryless EV and subscribing to their plan could be a pretty good bargain. We can\'t run any numbers because they haven\'t made the details public.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:03:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 5/19/2023 11:00 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
BTW: the EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.

Really? And the ICE industry is different? How does that work out?

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:38:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.
From Bloomberg Hyperdrive:

So far, the company [ Ample ] has signed partnerships with five vehicle manufacturers and designed adapter plates for 20 EV models. Parked in Ample’s warehouse during its demo were a Fiat 500 and a Citroen van made by Stellantis, as well as the Niro, a Nissan Leaf, Fisker’s Ocean SUV and an urban mini-car made by German manufacturer e.Go.
If they offer a new 32KWhr battery for the Leaf at the right price, I might swap it once.
I would do it now for $13.
I think their plan for buying a batteryless EV and subscribing to their plan could be a pretty good bargain. We can\'t run any numbers because they haven\'t made the details public.

So, it\'s still vapor batteries. I don\'t know how they deal with most EV batteries that are tagged with internal IDs. Are they going to reprogram the ECU or BMS ID every time?

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:09:25 PM UTC-4, John wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 14:01:55 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2023 11:00 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

BTW: the EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.
Not everyone who owns a home has a garage or a carport. I own a home
and park on the street.

That situation has completely flipped in the newer developments where they have more floor space in a humongous multi-vehicle garage than they have living space in the house proper. Seems ridiculous.

I can gas up in 5 minutes in lots of convenient places.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:16:09 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 12:11:22 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:38:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.
From Bloomberg Hyperdrive:

So far, the company [ Ample ] has signed partnerships with five vehicle manufacturers and designed adapter plates for 20 EV models. Parked in Ample’s warehouse during its demo were a Fiat 500 and a Citroen van made by Stellantis, as well as the Niro, a Nissan Leaf, Fisker’s Ocean SUV and an urban mini-car made by German manufacturer e.Go.
If they offer a new 32KWhr battery for the Leaf at the right price, I might swap it once.
I would do it now for $13.
I think their plan for buying a batteryless EV and subscribing to their plan could be a pretty good bargain. We can\'t run any numbers because they haven\'t made the details public.
So, it\'s still vapor batteries. I don\'t know how they deal with most EV batteries that are tagged with internal IDs. Are they going to reprogram the ECU or BMS ID every time?

The have Nissan onboard with the Leaf, so the details have been worked out.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2023 3:13 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:03:40 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:00 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
BTW: the EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.

Really? And the ICE industry is different? How does that work out?

I mean nobody is investing in battery-swap stations to make life easier
for people who can\'t charge at home, or don\'t have \"convenient access\"
to charging stations, specifically.

What public charging stations there are tend to get built according to
the same philosophy public transit gets built out in the US, you build
out public transit to make high-income very good neighborhoods to live
AMAZING places to live, not to make lousy neighborhoods better.

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2023 10:47 AM, bitrex wrote:

People who think Rube Goldberg schemes like this are mainstream viable perplex
me and I wonder if they\'re living in the same US I am. Even the simplest
automated stuff here tends to be out of order and broken on the regular and
rarely gets repaired, with respect to public-facing electromechanical systems
nothing fucking works right a substantial fraction of the time.

I didn\'t say \"public\"; I said *fleet*. Your employer probably has
folks who keep the toilets working at his business -- because its
in his best interest to keep them working.

There was a drop box for old medications at the police station near me where
the box door jammed so often they finally just removed it because nobody wanted
to deal. It had one moving piece and whoever manufactured it couldn\'t even get
that right. ONE PART

And people keep putting oversized packages in the USPS \"drop box\"
thereby preventing the door to open again, thereafter. The problem
isn\'t the drop box but, rather, the people who can\'t read the sign
telling them not to do that (\"Oh, but then I\'ll have to drive back here
tomorrow, when the USPO is *open* to accept my package AT THE COUNTER!\")

The local USPO is likely to blame for not siting the drop box in
a way that prevents packages from queuing up *inside* the box
thereby making it possible for *a* box to end up half-in, half-out.

Even with just public car chargers which have few moving parts, it\'s remarkable
that they\'re usable as much as they are and not just smashed to shit constantly
and/or out of order due to a blue screen or lack of Internet connection or
somesuch.

Which *driver* has been assigned to reporting these problems?
And repairing them?

Parking meters are regularly abused. Yet they magically seem to be
repaired in short order (and, if not, the poor fool who avails
himself of the spot finds a ticket on his windshield; he doesn\'t
get special dispensation because the meter was broken!). Because
the municipality uses them as a source of income AND convenience
(and sets aside resources to patrol for compliance).

Yeah, maybe in some fleet-maintenance situation it could work, or in Japan. but
not as any kind of genera-public automated service in the US.

Cars park (and drive) themselves. And, if they \"break\", the owner has
an incentive to getting them repaired. The same incentive exists for
automation *belonging* to a corporation, etc.

 

[John]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 12:19:11 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 2:09:25?PM UTC-4, John wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2023 14:01:55 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2023 11:00 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

BTW: the EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.
Not everyone who owns a home has a garage or a carport. I own a home
and park on the street.

That situation has completely flipped in the newer developments where they have more floor space in a humongous multi-vehicle garage than they have living space in the house proper. Seems ridiculous.


I can gas up in 5 minutes in lots of convenient places.

We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.

 

[John]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 12:03:24 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 1:47:11?PM UTC-4, John wrote:
On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Don\'t those batteries still need to be recharged? Or will they be
trucked to somewhere near a power plant to recharge?

Yes. Their claim is they only charge them, and at a slow charge rate, when the solar and wind are powering the grid. It doesn\'t have to be done immediately. They don\'t say what their logistics model is, but, whatever, they\'re confident they can meet demand.


How many \"shoebox-sized battery modules\" will, say, an SUV need?

I have no idea, but they claim they will be able to support those \"last mile\" types of delivery services, and they mostly drive suv\'s.

We\'ll see. I expect they will bankrupt.

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2023 2:39 PM, John wrote:

We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.

Yikes! How is winter handled? No driveways?

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 5/19/2023 2:39 PM, John wrote:
We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.
Yikes! How is winter handled? No driveways?

There is no summer or winter in SF. It\'s kind of boring.

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2023 11:09 AM, John wrote:

Not everyone who owns a home has a garage or a carport. I own a home
and park on the street.

Most homes, here, have 2 - 5 car garages. Yet, there is
almost always one or more cars sitting in the driveway,
on a pad alongside or even parked on the \"lawn\".

> I can gas up in 5 minutes in lots of convenient places.

\"Gas stations\" with attached \"convenience stores\" tend to
see longer waits as the driver has to remain with the car
while fueling; then, may run inside for some small purchase
(thankfully, most now allow \"fuel only\" transactions to be
unattended at an island kiosk).

Larger stations (e.g., Costco\'s 20 pumps) tend to have longer
queues -- but for fuel only.

So, 5-10 minutes, tops. Even for vehicles with oversized tanks.

[The notion of having to *sit* somewhere for 30 minutes
before setting off, again, on my travels is anathema to me!]

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2023 3:56 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 5/19/2023 2:39 PM, John wrote:
We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.
Yikes! How is winter handled? No driveways?

There is no summer or winter in SF. It\'s kind of boring.

Likely no driveways, either?

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 4:12:07 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:

On 5/19/2023 3:56 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:52:47 PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 5/19/2023 2:39 PM, John wrote:
We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.
Yikes! How is winter handled? No driveways?

There is no summer or winter in SF. It\'s kind of boring.
Likely no driveways, either?

Some driveways without garage. Some converted vacant spaces, when time was good. They should probably be converted back to garage.

 

[John]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 15:56:55 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:52:47?PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 5/19/2023 2:39 PM, John wrote:
We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.
Yikes! How is winter handled? No driveways?

There is no summer or winter in SF. It\'s kind of boring.

We have Karl The Fog to keep us amused.

And we have two seasons, dry and rainy.

i love it. Always cool, clean air, no mosquitoes, no roaches, not much
pollen.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/7stq55244b67o3x/AADykh13tg8W_eNckTPsmnuxa?dl=0

 

[John]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 16:10:03 -0700, Don Y
<blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> wrote:

On 5/19/2023 3:56 PM, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 3:52:47?PM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
On 5/19/2023 2:39 PM, John wrote:
We live in a house, not some development.

What with my workbench and the trash cans and some beer storage racks,
there\'s room for one car, and Mo uses that.

I seel lots of cars parked on the street with extension cords across
the sidewalk to charge them. One has to be careful to not trip on them
in the dark.
Yikes! How is winter handled? No driveways?

There is no summer or winter in SF. It\'s kind of boring.

Likely no driveways, either?

There\'s a lot of variery, but mostly townhouse style with the garage
right at the sidewalk. Use Street View and see. I live in Glen Park,
almost all single homes.

I like to explore cities all over the world with Street View. Earlier
today I was looking at St Petersberg, the one in Russia.

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2023 5:03 PM, John wrote:

Likely no driveways, either?

There\'s a lot of variery, but mostly townhouse style with the garage
right at the sidewalk. Use Street View and see. I live in Glen Park,
almost all single homes.

Ah. I had a friend with such a house; some 3500 sq ft of living space
and *no* (literally) yard. A small \"spool\" that occupied the entire
back yard -- not big enough to do anything besides get wet! <frown>
The front of the house bordered the sidewalk (the garage door
closing *on* the sidewalk)

I like to explore cities all over the world with Street View. Earlier
today I was looking at St Petersberg, the one in Russia.

I\'m more interested in food traditions in various locales.

And, speech idioms.

Neither are very easy to do remotely. <frown> (and, the time required
to travel is prohibitively high... when will they invent teleporters???)

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:00:59 AM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

Battery swapping has a few problems. One is, that it\'s like the gas station model of refueling, you have to drive to the swap center. But unlike gasoline or diesel, where you can count the varieties on one hand, there are dozens of different battery types, sizes and form factors. It would be a difficult task to manage so many different varieties. One problem swap centers don\'t have, is worrying about high charge currents. It doesn\'t matter if you charge each battery fast, separately, or slow and all in parallel. It takes the same amount of power.

It is unlikely that people will provide an even supply of discharged batteries. Just as gas stations have peak use times, so will swap centers. So equipment and batteries will sit around much of the day, just so there can be enough batteries and equipment to install them at the peak times. Batteries cost major bucks. So, the investment to have freshly charged batteries on hand at all times will be huge.

Then there\'s the issue of battery ownership. You buy a new BEV and the first time you swap it out, you get some piece of crap with only 75% of its original capacity left.

How many people are going to sign up for a deal like that!?!

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricky]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:18:03 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

Two vehicles for each driver is a bit excessive, especially in cost. Swapping vehicles is not something the general public will go for. They like owning their car and don\'t want to deal with the condition that public transportation ends up becoming. I just sat on a plane for four hours today, and I wouldn\'t pick up a napkin that had fallen on the floor, not because I didn\'t want to use it, because I didn\'t want to touch it. The only thing dirtier than airplane carpets, are airplane bathrooms! Now you could add shared cars to the list.

I think the majority of BEV owners will find they don\'t really want to swap batteries. Charging at home is the way to go. ICE owners will be jealous once the see how nice it is, never going to a gas station again.

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