EV Battery Swap To Replace Charging...

[Fred Bloggs]

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christensen]

fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:31:25 AM UTC-7, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.
and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt

The article cited Uber and Lyft customers. That would never work for individual owners/drivers. I don\'t want to swap my new battery with your 5 years old one.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:31:25 AM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.
and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt

That was covered in the Bloomberg report and it had more to do with the narcissist amateur running Tesla refusing to go along more than anything else. It was over 10 years ago. Tesla isn\'t calling the shots anymore.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:18:03 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

Dumb humans getting attached to their cars...

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:37:15 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:31:25 AM UTC-7, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes.. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.
and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
The article cited Uber and Lyft customers. That would never work for individual owners/drivers. I don\'t want to swap my new battery with your 5 years old one.

I\'m pretty sure they have the warranty terms worked out. But it needs to be looked into.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:43:11 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:18:03 AM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/ batt

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.
Dumb humans getting attached to their cars...

Dumb EV drivers are also attached to their batteries. I, dumb EV driver, would never swap with another smaller SOH. I am OK with swapping expansion batteries as long as they are rented, not owned.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt

It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:57:34 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:

On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.

The Leaf battery can easily be swapped. We can do it in our shop. However, finding good batteries to swap is a problem. It\'s better to just add expansion batteries. My expansion batteries can be removed and slow charged. They are also A/C cooled.

 

[Don Y]

On 5/19/2023 8:55 AM, bitrex wrote:

It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they do with
current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the body of the car.

You wouldn\'t opt for a \"universal\" design but, instead, target fleets.
A vehicle (need not be a \"car\") in which the battery pack*s* were
intentionally designed as primary structural members could be
created -- if a niche market of sufficient size was available
(e.g., imagine every Amazon/UPS/Fedex/USPS vehicle). The vehicle
WITHOUT the battery could be flimsy as it wouldn\'t ever be operated
or occupied.

In addition to charging, a fleet could benefit from having ready
access to the bare packs when it comes to refurbishing/reconditioning;
a robot could *test* the individual cells and replace those that it
finds bad/failing to increase the time between charges (replacements).

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical connections
there are coolant connections also.

So? You can disconnect wires but not pipes/ducts?
It\'s a robot. You don\'t have to pay it for labor.
It could purge a refrigerant system (saving the
refrigerant), disconnect any fittings, remove/replace
the battery, reconnect fittings and refill the
refrigerant -- also diagnosing the removed pack\'s
cooling system in the process.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a battery swap
was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in theory an
individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the whole car apart,
the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it inherited from the EV-1 made
that feasible. But it\'s an old design nobody builds them like that anymore

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.

From Bloomberg Hyperdrive:

So far, the company [ Ample ] has signed partnerships with five vehicle manufacturers and designed adapter plates for 20 EV models. Parked in Ample’s warehouse during its demo were a Fiat 500 and a Citroen van made by Stellantis, as well as the Niro, a Nissan Leaf, Fisker’s Ocean SUV and an urban mini-car made by German manufacturer e.Go.

E.Go Chairman Ali Vezvaei says his company designed its e.wave X EV with swappable batteries. “We genuinely believe that this is a great solution to address a lot of infrastructure issues,” he says. “Sooner or later you will see a transformation in fuel stations, like where you go to change a tire there will be a battery change station.

Ample’s fleet customers can buy EVs with or without batteries — the most expensive component of the vehicle — and subscribe to the company’s swapping service for a fee that it declined to disclose. Customers also pay an “energy fee” each time they swap. Changing out a 32-kilowatt-hour battery pack, for instance, costs about $13.

Countries like India and Taiwan have seen battery-swapping emerge as a popular solution for drivers of two- and three-wheel electric mopeds. And China has more than 1,500 swapping stations for EVs, with plans to deploy at least 26,000 by 2025. Those stations, though, tend to be operated by automakers and only swap their proprietary batteries.

 

[John]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

Don\'t those batteries still need to be recharged? Or will they be
trucked to somewhere near a power plant to recharge?

How many \"shoebox-sized battery modules\" will, say, an SUV need?

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2023 12:33 PM, Don Y wrote:

On 5/19/2023 8:55 AM, bitrex wrote:
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the
overall solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance
that they do with current battery tech, the battery layout is
integrated into the body of the car.

You wouldn\'t opt for a \"universal\" design but, instead, target fleets.
A vehicle (need not be a \"car\") in which the battery pack*s* were
intentionally designed as primary structural members could be
created -- if a niche market of sufficient size was available
(e.g., imagine every Amazon/UPS/Fedex/USPS vehicle).  The vehicle
WITHOUT the battery could be flimsy as it wouldn\'t ever be operated
or occupied.

In addition to charging, a fleet could benefit from having ready
access to the bare packs when it comes to refurbishing/reconditioning;
a robot could *test* the individual cells and replace those that it
finds bad/failing to increase the time between charges (replacements).

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

So?  You can disconnect wires but not pipes/ducts?
It\'s a robot.  You don\'t have to pay it for labor.
It could purge a refrigerant system (saving the
refrigerant), disconnect any fittings, remove/replace
the battery, reconnect fittings and refill the
refrigerant -- also diagnosing the removed pack\'s
cooling system in the process.

People who think Rube Goldberg schemes like this are mainstream viable
perplex me and I wonder if they\'re living in the same US I am. Even the
simplest automated stuff here tends to be out of order and broken on the
regular and rarely gets repaired, with respect to public-facing
electromechanical systems nothing fucking works right a substantial
fraction of the time.

There was a drop box for old medications at the police station near me
where the box door jammed so often they finally just removed it because
nobody wanted to deal. It had one moving piece and whoever manufactured
it couldn\'t even get that right. ONE PART

Even with just public car chargers which have few moving parts, it\'s
remarkable that they\'re usable as much as they are and not just smashed
to shit constantly and/or out of order due to a blue screen or lack of
Internet connection or somesuch.

Yeah, maybe in some fleet-maintenance situation it could work, or in
Japan. but not as any kind of genera-public automated service in the US.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2023 12:03 PM, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:57:34 AM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.

The Leaf battery can easily be swapped. We can do it in our shop. However, finding good batteries to swap is a problem. It\'s better to just add expansion batteries. My expansion batteries can be removed and slow charged. They are also A/C cooled.

Yeah, maybe in some fleet situations where the difference between a 5
minute swap and a 30 minute charge works out to be substantial financial
win.

The EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.

 

[bitrex]

On 5/19/2023 11:00 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

BTW: the EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.

 

[John]

On Fri, 19 May 2023 14:01:55 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 5/19/2023 11:00 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.

BTW: the EV industry doesn\'t give a shit about people who \"don\'t have
convenient access to charging stations\", that is to say people who don\'t
own their own home.

Those people are called \"poors\" and tend to not be able to afford to buy
modern electric vehicles, anyway.

Not everyone who owns a home has a garage or a carport. I own a home
and park on the street.

I can gas up in 5 minutes in lots of convenient places.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 10:47:11 AM UTC-7, John wrote:

On Fri, 19 May 2023 08:00:53 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Don\'t those batteries still need to be recharged? Or will they be
trucked to somewhere near a power plant to recharge?

From Fred\'s quote:
\"Changing out (and charging) a 32-kilowatt-hour battery pack, for instance, costs about $13. \"
That\'s around 40 cents per KWhr. Ain\'t cheap.

> How many \"shoebox-sized battery modules\" will, say, an SUV need?

Around one box per mile.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes.. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.
From Bloomberg Hyperdrive:

So far, the company [ Ample ] has signed partnerships with five vehicle manufacturers and designed adapter plates for 20 EV models. Parked in Ample’s warehouse during its demo were a Fiat 500 and a Citroen van made by Stellantis, as well as the Niro, a Nissan Leaf, Fisker’s Ocean SUV and an urban mini-car made by German manufacturer e.Go.

If they offer a new 32KWhr battery for the Leaf at the right price, I might swap it once.

 

[Ed Lee]

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:38:31 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:

On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 9:50:28 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 5/19/2023 11:31 AM, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
fredag den 19. maj 2023 kl. 17.18.03 UTC+2 skrev Ed Lee:
On Friday, May 19, 2023 at 8:00:59 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
For entities for whom time is money, like fleets, and others who just don\'t have convenient access to charging stations, the 5 minute whole battery pack swap is the answer. All the work is done by a robot in 5 minutes. The swap stations slow re-charge the swapped batteries so they don\'t require a major power grid renovation to come online. And the whole swap package comes in a shipping container so it sets up in under a day. Quite a few EV manufacturers are getting onboard making their battery packs compatible with this system.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/ample-2023-next-generation-battery-swap-station/

https://ample.com/

Too bad for the naysayers who ignorantly predicted zeta-dollar rebuild of the national grid to support EVs.
Battery costs more than half of the vehicle. Why not just swap the vehicles. Two EVs for every drivers.

and several companies have tried battery swap schemes and went bankrupt
It\'s like trying to swap fuel tanks on an airliner. To make the overall
solution lightweight enough to get the ranges and performance that they
do with current battery tech, the battery layout is integrated into the
body of the car.

Any EV worth a crap has active cooling so it\'s not just electrical
connections there are coolant connections also.

The Chevy Volt was one of the last \"EVs\" (plug-in hybrid) where a
battery swap was a relatively straightforward operation that at least in
theory an individual could do in their own garage without, ripping the
whole car apart, the T-shaped down-the-centerline pack topology it
inherited from the EV-1 made that feasible. But it\'s an old design
nobody builds them like that anymore.
From Bloomberg Hyperdrive:

So far, the company [ Ample ] has signed partnerships with five vehicle manufacturers and designed adapter plates for 20 EV models. Parked in Ample’s warehouse during its demo were a Fiat 500 and a Citroen van made by Stellantis, as well as the Niro, a Nissan Leaf, Fisker’s Ocean SUV and an urban mini-car made by German manufacturer e.Go.
If they offer a new 32KWhr battery for the Leaf at the right price, I might swap it once.

I would do it now for $13.