Electrical licensing

[David]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:47:23 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

What really shits me though is that there is not a relatively
straightforward short course option to allow those with higher electrical
qualifications to simply study the detail of the australian wiring
standards
to get licensed and hence get fixed electrical wiring employment.


** I doubt there is any demand for such an absurd scheme.

There was a course run by NSW TAFE, which I did a few years ago, which
allows a person with Electrical Engineering qualification (Tertiary Degree
or TAFE certificate) to obtain an NSW electrical contractor license. The
couse was one semester (6 months), two nights a week at the TAFE. One
night was theory, one night was practical. At the end was a theory and
practical exam. Once you completed the course, you went to the Dept of
Fair trading, did an oral examination, paid your money, and got an
electrical contractors licence (or for less money a restricted license).

The couse I did was pretty popular, as it was booked out, and they had to
run two courses.

David

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com>"

The Ode to the techies pride

I cant tell you phill how much you remind me of a couple of guys I've
worked
with over the year

** Can I tell you most sincerely, Nick the Anonymous EE puke - that
you remind me of the vilest sort of human garbage that university faculties
defecate out into the world.





................ Phil

 

[nick]

Thanks david,

I would appreciate the name of the tafe if you feel thats ok? I wouldnt mind
making a phone call.

Nick

"David" <no_way@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:47:23 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:




What really shits me though is that there is not a relatively
straightforward short course option to allow those with higher
electrical
qualifications to simply study the detail of the australian wiring
standards
to get licensed and hence get fixed electrical wiring employment.


** I doubt there is any demand for such an absurd scheme.



There was a course run by NSW TAFE, which I did a few years ago, which
allows a person with Electrical Engineering qualification (Tertiary Degree
or TAFE certificate) to obtain an NSW electrical contractor license. The
couse was one semester (6 months), two nights a week at the TAFE. One
night was theory, one night was practical. At the end was a theory and
practical exam. Once you completed the course, you went to the Dept of
Fair trading, did an oral examination, paid your money, and got an
electrical contractors licence (or for less money a restricted license).

The couse I did was pretty popular, as it was booked out, and they had to
run two courses.

David

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com>"

wow... your tone headed south...

** Must be the putrid smell of all that excrement coming from your
direction.

"Phil Allison"

I said and the law says " a practicing Electrical Engineer".

Go get someone to tell you what that is.


well... its practicing electrical engineering.

** Clearly something YOU have never done.

I reckon I have a pretty good idea what that is.

** Fraid you have almost none.

** Your degree is NOT the proof of what you are "practising" as.


no the degree is indication of the profession.

** But not what one is " practicing as " at any point in time.

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.

well you hadn't even heard of a restricted licence so how the hell would
you
know?

** There are "restricted licenses" for all sorts of purposes.

But none that is *needed* just to put a plug on an appliance lead.






............... Phil

 

[nick]

let me tell you most sincerely Phil,

you really need the degree, go to uni part time and get it. Then all this,
whatever it is inside of you will go away. I guarantee you won't regret it.
You will, by and large, get the respect you deserve... and hell you may even
learn something. And I'll also say the best uni grads are the ones that were
techs, because they now what everything is even if they dont understand
everything at first.


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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"nick mail.com>"


The Ode to the techies pride

I cant tell you phill how much you remind me of a couple of guys I've
worked
with over the year


** Can I tell you most sincerely, Nick the Anonymous EE puke - that
you remind me of the vilest sort of human garbage that university
faculties
defecate out into the world.





............... Phil

 

[nick]

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** There are "restricted licenses" for all sorts of purposes.

But none that is *needed* just to put a plug on an appliance lead.






.............. Phil

you need to make a phonecall

 

[David]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:31:14 +1000, nick wrote:

Thanks david,

I would appreciate the name of the tafe if you feel thats ok? I wouldnt mind
making a phone call.

Nick

Hi Nick,

I did mine at North Sydney TAFE. It was also available at Hornsby and I
think Meadowbank. I had a quick look, and couldn't see it on their web
site. I just looked on my certificate, and it was in 1994 I did mine, and
it was called Couse 1092, Electrical Wiring, Engineering. Had a friend who
did it a Hornsby two or three years ago.

David

 

[nick]

thanks for that

"David" <no_way@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:31:14 +1000, nick wrote:

Thanks david,

I would appreciate the name of the tafe if you feel thats ok? I wouldnt
mind
making a phone call.

Nick


Hi Nick,

I did mine at North Sydney TAFE. It was also available at Hornsby and I
think Meadowbank. I had a quick look, and couldn't see it on their web
site. I just looked on my certificate, and it was in 1994 I did mine, and
it was called Couse 1092, Electrical Wiring, Engineering. Had a friend who
did it a Hornsby two or three years ago.

David

 

[David]

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 23:47:54 +1100, David wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:31:14 +1000, nick wrote:

Thanks david,

I would appreciate the name of the tafe if you feel thats ok? I wouldnt mind
making a phone call.

Nick


Hi Nick,

I did mine at North Sydney TAFE. It was also available at Hornsby and I
think Meadowbank. I had a quick look, and couldn't see it on their web
site. I just looked on my certificate, and it was in 1994 I did mine, and
it was called Couse 1092, Electrical Wiring, Engineering. Had a friend who
did it a Hornsby two or three years ago.

David

Nick,

I found this on the Dept of Fair Trading site.

http://blis.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/BLISPROD/NSW/PDF/AD411.PDF

See section (ii). The couse is 9968. You do need to have proof of two
years industry experience. In my case a simple letter from my employer was
accepted. Hope this helps.

David

 

[nick]

thanks alot.. I'm in QLD so I'll have to do a bit of hunting around and see
what I can churn up here, or just below the border.

Nick


"David" <no_way@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 23:47:54 +1100, David wrote:

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:31:14 +1000, nick wrote:

Thanks david,

I would appreciate the name of the tafe if you feel thats ok? I wouldnt
mind
making a phone call.

Nick


Hi Nick,

I did mine at North Sydney TAFE. It was also available at Hornsby and I
think Meadowbank. I had a quick look, and couldn't see it on their web
site. I just looked on my certificate, and it was in 1994 I did mine,
and
it was called Couse 1092, Electrical Wiring, Engineering. Had a friend
who
did it a Hornsby two or three years ago.

David

Nick,

I found this on the Dept of Fair Trading site.

http://blis.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/BLISPROD/NSW/PDF/AD411.PDF

See section (ii). The couse is 9968. You do need to have proof of two
years industry experience. In my case a simple letter from my employer was
accepted. Hope this helps.

David

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com>" = TOP POSTING psychotic EE puke.

let me tell you most sincerely Phil,

** You have not got a single *sincere* bone in your thick, Neanderthal
head.

you really need the degree, go to uni part time and get it.

** You may be enlightened to know that I did the honours level EE course at
Sydney Uni for two years - so I know exactly what a uni EE degree is and
damn well is not.

I *can* tell you most sincerely, Nick the Anonymous EE puke - that
you remind me of the vilest sort of human garbage that university
engineering faculties defecate out into the world.

YOU are the ** DESPERATE** fuckwit looking to do the work or a lowly wire
tugger to feed yourself - not me.

Obviously you have MASSIVELY pissed off all possible employers as an
engineer - none of them want a ranting, grandiose, stinking psychopath on
their premises.





............... Phil

 

[Caliban]

There was a course run by NSW TAFE, which I did a few years ago, which
allows a person with Electrical Engineering qualification (Tertiary Degree
or TAFE certificate) to obtain an NSW electrical contractor license. The
couse was one semester (6 months), two nights a week at the TAFE. One
night was theory, one night was practical. At the end was a theory and
practical exam. Once you completed the course, you went to the Dept of
Fair trading, did an oral examination, paid your money, and got an
electrical contractors licence (or for less money a restricted license).

The couse I did was pretty popular, as it was booked out, and they had to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
run two courses.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

David

No demand eh Phil? If you actually got out and spoke to your peers
(*shudder*) instead of belligerently spouting your opinions sitting all
alone behind your monitor you would have realised this. Twit.

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com" = top posting, anonymous EE puke.
Phil Allison

** There are "restricted licenses" for all sorts of purposes.

But none that is *needed* just to put a plug on an appliance lead.


you need to make a phonecall

** You need to find those missing meds you were prescribed recently and
start taking them - or the big muscle men in white coats will be after
you.

It is a real shame that no electronics firm can risk employing a
schizophrenic - Pubic Liability and all that being what it is.




............... Phil

 

[Alan]

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:28:57 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Alan"
"Phil Allison"


** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an appliance.


............ Phil


You DO in WA. There is a "Restricted Licence" for that
kind of work.



** Got any links to the details of the law in that regard over there ??

How long has it been law ?





............. Phil

Have a look here

http://www.energysafety.wa.gov.au/new/downloads/fact_sheets/R031%200804.pdf

Seems to have been in force since 1991 (or perhaps earlier). I must
say most radio techs and computer techs I know just ignore it as a
stupid requirement.

Alan


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Manufacturers and Suppliers of HF Selcall
P O Box 1108, Morley, WA, 6943
Tel: +61 8 9370 5533 Fax +61 8 9467 6146
Web Site: http://www.jenal.com
Contact: http://www.jenal.com/?p=1
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[Phil Allison]

"David"

Nick,

I found this on the Dept of Fair Trading site.

http://blis.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/BLISPROD/NSW/PDF/AD411.PDF

See section (ii). The couse is 9968. You do need to have proof of two
years industry experience.

** The majors in "control, power, protection" will put this Nick arse
out of the game - not to mention two years "acceptable" industry experience
as a *Electrical* Engineer.





............... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Caliban"

No demand eh Phil?

** So every second EE out wants to become a lowly wire tugger ???

The EE work situation must be much worse than I thought.

Or maybe they are just addicted to doing courses.






.............. Phil

 

[Caliban]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Caliban"


No demand eh Phil?



** So every second EE out wants to become a lowly wire tugger ???

The EE work situation must be much worse than I thought.

Or maybe they are just addicted to doing courses.

Or maybe they're sick of paying for a contractor to do the last mickey
mouse meter of mains wiring on a system they have designed from the PCB
up, installed and done the ELV wiring for.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Alan"
"Phil Allison"

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.


You DO in WA. There is a "Restricted Licence" for that
kind of work.



** Got any links to the details of the law in that regard over there ??

How long has it been law ?


Have a look here

http://www.energysafety.wa.gov.au/new/downloads/fact_sheets/R031%200804.pdf

** See the actual regulations for ALL the exceptions - there are
*plenty*.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_reg/er1991331/s19.html


See 19 (h) - even in loopy WA, AC plug swapping is licence free if not
done for profit !!!!!!

Seems to have been in force since 1991 (or perhaps earlier). I must
say most radio techs and computer techs I know just ignore it as a
stupid requirement.

** Bet it is both un-enforced and un-enforceable.



............ Phil

 

[Alan]

On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:00:36 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Alan"
"Phil Allison"

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.


You DO in WA. There is a "Restricted Licence" for that
kind of work.



** Got any links to the details of the law in that regard over there ??

How long has it been law ?


Have a look here

http://www.energysafety.wa.gov.au/new/downloads/fact_sheets/R031%200804.pdf



** See the actual regulations for ALL the exceptions - there are
*plenty*.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_reg/er1991331/s19.html


See 19 (h) - even in loopy WA, AC plug swapping is licence free if not
done for profit !!!!!!



Seems to have been in force since 1991 (or perhaps earlier). I must
say most radio techs and computer techs I know just ignore it as a
stupid requirement.



** Bet it is both un-enforced and un-enforceable.



........... Phil

So as long as one says "I did it as a favour and didn't charge" then
one should be covered in the "not for gain or reward" provision.

Must remember that one!

I have been trawling the depths of my memory and I can honestly say
that I only know of one radio tech who claims to have got a restricted
licence (there may be others of course).

Have a nice evening.

Alan


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jenal Communications
Manufacturers and Suppliers of HF Selcall
P O Box 1108, Morley, WA, 6943
Tel: +61 8 9370 5533 Fax +61 8 9467 6146
Web Site: http://www.jenal.com
Contact: http://www.jenal.com/?p=1
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

[Phil Allison]

"Caliban"
Phil Allison

No demand eh Phil?

** So every second EE out wants to become a lowly wire tugger ???

The EE work situation must be much worse than I thought.

Or maybe they are just addicted to doing courses.


Or maybe they're sick of paying for a contractor to do the last mickey
mouse meter of mains wiring on a system they have designed from the PCB
up, installed and done the ELV wiring for.

** Ohhhhhhhhh - so they are not ACTUALLY planning on new careers
tugging wires all over the place like our DESPERATE psycho friend the
anonymous Nick is ???

Here is his post again:


" What really shits me though is that there is not a relatively
straightforward short course option to allow those with higher electrical
qualifications to simply study the detail of the australian wiring
standards to get licensed and hence get fixed electrical wiring employment.
"


My comment was about THIS scenario - not your one fuckhead.






............. Phil