Electrical licensing

[nick]

Hi all,

for those with nothing to do I found the QLD safety act 2002 below, and I
wonder if your reading of this is that licences are not required for
electrical engineers to perform or supervise electrical work? ( the perform
bit is interesting to me)

To my way of thinking thats what it says, but it seems to me to be a little
contradictory. In part 55-3b it says persons practicing the profession of
electrical engineering can supervise and perform electrical work without a
licence.

But in part 56 (contractor) it says no one can carry on the business of
electrical work without being licenced, and it lists no exemptions.

It seems to me that if you are practicing the profession then you are
carrying on the business of electrical engineering.

Educators are also exempt in part 55. Its funny that you can teach
electricians but you can't be an electrician when you leave the front gate
of the tafe. Someone in that union has wound this up tight.

Any comments?

Nick


PART 4-LICENCES

Division 1-Requirements for electrical licences

55 Requirement for electrical work licence

(1) A person must not perform or supervise electrical work unless-

(a) the person is the holder of an electrical work licence in force

under this Act; and

(b) the licence authorises the person to perform the work.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Only an individual may be the holder of an electrical work licence.

(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical

work licence for the purpose of the following-

(a) performance or supervision of electrical work for the purpose of

installing or repairing telecommunications cabling;

(b) performance or supervision of electrical work in practising the

person's profession as an electrical engineer;

(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;

(d) performance or supervision of electrical work as part of the

testing of electrical equipment that the person is authorised to do

under a regulation;

(e) performance, as an apprentice, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the apprentice to perform electrical work;

(f) performance, as a trainee, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the trainee to perform electrical work of a type

prescribed under a regulation;

(g) performance, as a student, of electrical work as part of training

under the supervision of teaching staff at-

(i) a university; or

(ii) a college, school or similar institution conducted or

approved by a department of the State or of the

Commonwealth.

56 Requirement for electrical contractor licence

(1) A person must not conduct a business or undertaking that includes

the performance of electrical work unless the person is the holder of an

electrical contractor licence that is in force.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Without limiting subsection (1), a person conducts a business or

undertaking that includes the performance of electrical work if the

person-

(a) advertises, notifies or states that, or advertises, notifies or makes

a statement to the effect that, the person carries on the business of

performing electrical work; or

(b) contracts for the performance electrical work, other than under a

contract of employment; or

(c) represents to the public that the person is willing to perform

electrical work; or

(d) employs a worker to perform electrical work, other than for the

person.

(3) However, a person does not conduct a business or undertaking that

includes the performance of electrical work only because the person-

(a) is a licensed electrical mechanic who-

(i) performs electrical work for the person or a relative of the

person at premises owned or occupied by the person or

relative; or

(ii) makes minor emergency repairs to make electrical

equipment electrically safe; or

(b) contracts for the performance of building work that includes the

performance of electrical work if the electrical work is intended

to be subcontracted to the holder of an electrical contractor

licence who is authorised under the licence to perform the work.

(4) This section does not authorise the performance of electrical work by

a person who does not have an electrical work licence for the work.

(5) A person does not contravene subsection (1) if-

(a) the person conducts a business or undertaking that includes the

performance of electrical work as a partner in a partnership; and

(b) the partnership is the holder of an electrical contractor licence

that is in force.

57 Compliance with conditions and restrictions

(1) The holder of an electrical work licence who performs or supervises

electrical work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included in

the licence.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) The holder of an electrical contractor licence who performs electrical

work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included in the

licence.

Maximum penalty for subsection (2)-400 penalty units.

Division 2-Electrical licence applications

58 Definition for div 2

In this division-

"electrical licence application" means an application to the chief

executive for-

(a) the issue of an electrical licence; or

(b) the renewal of an electrical licence; or

(c) the reinstatement of an electrical licence.

59 Application for issue of electrical licence

(1) A person may apply to the chief executive for the issue of an

electrical licence.

(2) The application for the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the issue of the electrical licence,

including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may issue, or refuse to issue, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to issue the electrical licence, the chief executive

must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a regulation for

the issue of the licence.

60 Application for renewal of electrical licence

(1) The holder of an electrical licence may, before the licence expires

(the "licence expiry"), apply to the chief executive for the renewal of the

licence.

(2) The application for the renewal of the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the renewal of the electrical

licence, including any requirements about-

(i) the payment of fees; and

(ii) the day by which the application must be made.

(3) The chief executive may renew, or refuse to renew, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to renew the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the renewal of the licence.

(5) If the electrical licence is renewed before the licence expiry, the

renewal has effect from the licence expiry.

(6) If the electrical licence is not renewed before the licence expiry-

(a) the licence as in force immediately before the licence expiry

continues in force until-

(i) it is renewed; or

(ii) the chief executive gives written notice of a refusal to

renew; and

(b) if the licence is renewed, the licence, as renewed, ends on the day

it would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the

licence expiry.

61 Application for reinstatement of electrical licence

(1) If an electrical licence expires (the "licence expiry"), the person who

was the holder of the licence may, within 1 year after the licence expiry,

apply to the chief executive for the reinstatement of the licence.

(2) The application must-

(a) be made in the approved form; and

(b) otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the reinstatement of an electrical

licence, including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may reinstate, or refuse to reinstate, the
electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to reinstate the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the reinstatement of the licence.

(5) The reinstatement has effect from the end of the day of reinstatement.

(6) The electrical licence, as reinstated, is not taken to have been in
force

for the period from the licence expiry to the reinstatement.

(7) However, the electrical licence, as reinstated, ends on the day it

would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the licence

expiry instead of being reinstated.

62 Further information or documents to support electrical licence

application

(1) The chief executive may, by written notice given to the applicant

under an electrical licence application, require the applicant to give the

chief executive, within a reasonable period of at least 21 days stated in
the

notice, further information or a document the chief executive reasonably

requires to decide the application.

(2) The chief executive may, in the notice, require the applicant to verify

the further information or document by statutory declaration.

(3) The applicant is taken to have withdrawn the application if the

applicant does not comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2)

within the stated period.

63 Electrical licence conditions and restrictions

An electrical licence, as issued, renewed or reinstated, may include

conditions or restrictions the chief executive considers necessary or

desirable for the proper performance of electrical work.

Examples of conditions-

.. A condition that the licence holder satisfactorily finish a particular
training course

or examination.

.. A condition that the licence holder keep in place insurance of a kind, and
in an

amount, prescribed under a regulation.

Examples of restrictions-

.. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence.

.. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence for an employer stated in the licence.

.. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence in a locality stated in the licence.

.. A restriction that limits the extent to which the holder may supervise the

performance of electrical work.

64 Chief executive to give reasons for refusal of application or for

conditions

(1) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive refuses to issue, renew or reinstate an electrical licence, the
chief

executive must-

(a) give written notice of the refusal to the applicant within 30 days

of the decision to refuse; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to refuse.

(2) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive decides to include additional conditions or restrictions in an

electrical licence, or change conditions or restrictions in an electrical

licence, the chief executive must-

(a) give written notice of the inclusion or change to the applicant

within 30 days of the decision to include or change the

conditions or restrictions; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to include or change the conditions or restrictions.

Division 3-External licences

65 External licence recognition provision

(1) A regulation may prescribe particular external licences to be

equivalent to particular electrical work licences.

(2) An external licence is taken to be the electrical work licence to which

it is equivalent.

 

[nick]

hmm.. maybe I have been mistaken all along?

As a degreed engineer.. am I allowed to work with the mains?

If I install a rack of electrical gear, am I allowed to hardwire a cooler
for it into the fuse box? I'm pretty sure engineers at the major power
companies would be doing this stuff on a regular basis. I've never heard of
them being fined. I remember seeing my old power engineering teacher (he
come from an aluminium company) directing the engineers and electricians to
run power all over the place.

Ever hear of engineers being fined by the electrical office? Or is this
purposely ambiguous, meaning the electrical unions don't venture there in
case there is a court ruling on it?

Nick



"nick mail.com>" <nick1234@hot<nospam> wrote in message
news:41b13f6c_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

Hi all,

for those with nothing to do I found the QLD safety act 2002 below, and I
wonder if your reading of this is that licences are not required for
electrical engineers to perform or supervise electrical work? ( the
perform
bit is interesting to me)

To my way of thinking thats what it says, but it seems to me to be a
little
contradictory. In part 55-3b it says persons practicing the profession of
electrical engineering can supervise and perform electrical work without a
licence.

But in part 56 (contractor) it says no one can carry on the business of
electrical work without being licenced, and it lists no exemptions.

It seems to me that if you are practicing the profession then you are
carrying on the business of electrical engineering.

Educators are also exempt in part 55. Its funny that you can teach
electricians but you can't be an electrician when you leave the front gate
of the tafe. Someone in that union has wound this up tight.

Any comments?

Nick


PART 4-LICENCES

Division 1-Requirements for electrical licences

55 Requirement for electrical work licence

(1) A person must not perform or supervise electrical work unless-

(a) the person is the holder of an electrical work licence in force

under this Act; and

(b) the licence authorises the person to perform the work.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Only an individual may be the holder of an electrical work licence.

(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical

work licence for the purpose of the following-

(a) performance or supervision of electrical work for the purpose of

installing or repairing telecommunications cabling;

(b) performance or supervision of electrical work in practising the

person's profession as an electrical engineer;

(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;

(d) performance or supervision of electrical work as part of the

testing of electrical equipment that the person is authorised to do

under a regulation;

(e) performance, as an apprentice, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the apprentice to perform electrical work;

(f) performance, as a trainee, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the trainee to perform electrical work of a type

prescribed under a regulation;

(g) performance, as a student, of electrical work as part of training

under the supervision of teaching staff at-

(i) a university; or

(ii) a college, school or similar institution conducted or

approved by a department of the State or of the

Commonwealth.

56 Requirement for electrical contractor licence

(1) A person must not conduct a business or undertaking that includes

the performance of electrical work unless the person is the holder of an

electrical contractor licence that is in force.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Without limiting subsection (1), a person conducts a business or

undertaking that includes the performance of electrical work if the

person-

(a) advertises, notifies or states that, or advertises, notifies or makes

a statement to the effect that, the person carries on the business of

performing electrical work; or

(b) contracts for the performance electrical work, other than under a

contract of employment; or

(c) represents to the public that the person is willing to perform

electrical work; or

(d) employs a worker to perform electrical work, other than for the

person.

(3) However, a person does not conduct a business or undertaking that

includes the performance of electrical work only because the person-

(a) is a licensed electrical mechanic who-

(i) performs electrical work for the person or a relative of the

person at premises owned or occupied by the person or

relative; or

(ii) makes minor emergency repairs to make electrical

equipment electrically safe; or

(b) contracts for the performance of building work that includes the

performance of electrical work if the electrical work is intended

to be subcontracted to the holder of an electrical contractor

licence who is authorised under the licence to perform the work.

(4) This section does not authorise the performance of electrical work by

a person who does not have an electrical work licence for the work.

(5) A person does not contravene subsection (1) if-

(a) the person conducts a business or undertaking that includes the

performance of electrical work as a partner in a partnership; and

(b) the partnership is the holder of an electrical contractor licence

that is in force.

57 Compliance with conditions and restrictions

(1) The holder of an electrical work licence who performs or supervises

electrical work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included
in

the licence.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) The holder of an electrical contractor licence who performs electrical

work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included in the

licence.

Maximum penalty for subsection (2)-400 penalty units.

Division 2-Electrical licence applications

58 Definition for div 2

In this division-

"electrical licence application" means an application to the chief

executive for-

(a) the issue of an electrical licence; or

(b) the renewal of an electrical licence; or

(c) the reinstatement of an electrical licence.

59 Application for issue of electrical licence

(1) A person may apply to the chief executive for the issue of an

electrical licence.

(2) The application for the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the issue of the electrical licence,

including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may issue, or refuse to issue, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to issue the electrical licence, the chief
executive

must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a regulation for

the issue of the licence.

60 Application for renewal of electrical licence

(1) The holder of an electrical licence may, before the licence expires

(the "licence expiry"), apply to the chief executive for the renewal of
the

licence.

(2) The application for the renewal of the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the renewal of the electrical

licence, including any requirements about-

(i) the payment of fees; and

(ii) the day by which the application must be made.

(3) The chief executive may renew, or refuse to renew, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to renew the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the renewal of the licence.

(5) If the electrical licence is renewed before the licence expiry, the

renewal has effect from the licence expiry.

(6) If the electrical licence is not renewed before the licence expiry-

(a) the licence as in force immediately before the licence expiry

continues in force until-

(i) it is renewed; or

(ii) the chief executive gives written notice of a refusal to

renew; and

(b) if the licence is renewed, the licence, as renewed, ends on the day

it would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the

licence expiry.

61 Application for reinstatement of electrical licence

(1) If an electrical licence expires (the "licence expiry"), the person
who

was the holder of the licence may, within 1 year after the licence expiry,

apply to the chief executive for the reinstatement of the licence.

(2) The application must-

(a) be made in the approved form; and

(b) otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the reinstatement of an electrical

licence, including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may reinstate, or refuse to reinstate, the
electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to reinstate the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the reinstatement of the licence.

(5) The reinstatement has effect from the end of the day of reinstatement.

(6) The electrical licence, as reinstated, is not taken to have been in
force

for the period from the licence expiry to the reinstatement.

(7) However, the electrical licence, as reinstated, ends on the day it

would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the licence

expiry instead of being reinstated.

62 Further information or documents to support electrical licence

application

(1) The chief executive may, by written notice given to the applicant

under an electrical licence application, require the applicant to give the

chief executive, within a reasonable period of at least 21 days stated in
the

notice, further information or a document the chief executive reasonably

requires to decide the application.

(2) The chief executive may, in the notice, require the applicant to
verify

the further information or document by statutory declaration.

(3) The applicant is taken to have withdrawn the application if the

applicant does not comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2)

within the stated period.

63 Electrical licence conditions and restrictions

An electrical licence, as issued, renewed or reinstated, may include

conditions or restrictions the chief executive considers necessary or

desirable for the proper performance of electrical work.

Examples of conditions-

. A condition that the licence holder satisfactorily finish a particular
training course

or examination.

. A condition that the licence holder keep in place insurance of a kind,
and
in an

amount, prescribed under a regulation.

Examples of restrictions-

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence for an employer stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence in a locality stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits the extent to which the holder may supervise
the

performance of electrical work.

64 Chief executive to give reasons for refusal of application or for

conditions

(1) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive refuses to issue, renew or reinstate an electrical licence, the
chief

executive must-

(a) give written notice of the refusal to the applicant within 30 days

of the decision to refuse; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to refuse.

(2) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive decides to include additional conditions or restrictions in an

electrical licence, or change conditions or restrictions in an electrical

licence, the chief executive must-

(a) give written notice of the inclusion or change to the applicant

within 30 days of the decision to include or change the

conditions or restrictions; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to include or change the conditions or restrictions.

Division 3-External licences

65 External licence recognition provision

(1) A regulation may prescribe particular external licences to be

equivalent to particular electrical work licences.

(2) An external licence is taken to be the electrical work licence to
which

it is equivalent.

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com"

for those with nothing to do I found the QLD safety act 2002 below, and I
wonder if your reading of this is that licences are not required for
electrical engineers to perform or supervise electrical work? ( the
perform
bit is interesting to me)

** You omitted a crucial phrase.

To my way of thinking thats what it says, but it seems to me to be a
little
contradictory. In part 55-3b it says persons practicing the profession of
electrical engineering can supervise and perform electrical work without a
licence.

** That is not quite what it says.

" performance or supervision of electrical work in practising the
person's profession as an electrical engineer; "


So - a person must be first of all a *practising EE* - plus - be
engaged on the project in question as an EE - then they may perform some
actual work.

This simply allows the EE on a project to carry out some electrical work and
not have to get a sparkie to do every tiny thing - but does not allow an
EE to do contract installation work.





............. Phil

 

[nick]

ok.. lets cut to the chase a bit.

These days I am engaged with mostly designing electronics equipment.

When I am at work engaged in the design of the equipments power supply am I
not a practicing EE? and engaged on an EE project? And if this is so may I
not hook up the power lead and put the plug on?

If this is true I dont need that crappy plugs and leads licence.

Nick


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:31cudkF38qmd1U1@individual.net...

"nick mail.com"

for those with nothing to do I found the QLD safety act 2002 below, and
I
wonder if your reading of this is that licences are not required for
electrical engineers to perform or supervise electrical work? ( the
perform
bit is interesting to me)


** You omitted a crucial phrase.


To my way of thinking thats what it says, but it seems to me to be a
little
contradictory. In part 55-3b it says persons practicing the profession
of
electrical engineering can supervise and perform electrical work without
a
licence.


** That is not quite what it says.

" performance or supervision of electrical work in practising the
person's profession as an electrical engineer; "


So - a person must be first of all a *practising EE* - plus - be
engaged on the project in question as an EE - then they may perform some
actual work.

This simply allows the EE on a project to carry out some electrical work
and
not have to get a sparkie to do every tiny thing - but does not allow
an
EE to do contract installation work.





............ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com>"

ok.. lets cut to the chase a bit.

** Please stop to posting !!!!!!!!!!

These days I am engaged with mostly designing electronics equipment.

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.

When I am at work engaged in the design of the equipments power supply am
I
not a practicing EE? and engaged on an EE project? And if this is so may I
not hook up the power lead and put the plug on?

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an appliance.

Only those who install or modify electrical wiring in a premises need
licences.




............. Phil

 

[Alan]

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 17:41:57 +1100, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an appliance.


............ Phil

You DO in WA. There is a "Restricted Licence" for that
kind of work.

Alan


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[nick]

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.

no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering. In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not exist.

...... you dont want to go there

When I am at work engaged in the design of the equipments power supply
am
I
not a practicing EE? and engaged on an EE project? And if this is so may
I
not hook up the power lead and put the plug on?


** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an appliance.

Only those who install or modify electrical wiring in a premises
need
licences.

actually thats not true, one of the techs at work recently had to renew
their restricted licence (NREL?) to handle the connection of power leads to
equipment. Its a rediculous licence for qualified electronics people to have
to get.

 

[KLR]

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:53:57 +1000, "nick"
<nick1234@hot<nospam>mail.com> wrote:

hmm.. maybe I have been mistaken all along?

As a degreed engineer.. am I allowed to work with the mains?

If I install a rack of electrical gear, am I allowed to hardwire a cooler
for it into the fuse box? I'm pretty sure engineers at the major power
companies would be doing this stuff on a regular basis. I've never heard of
them being fined. I remember seeing my old power engineering teacher (he
come from an aluminium company) directing the engineers and electricians to
run power all over the place.

Ever hear of engineers being fined by the electrical office? Or is this
purposely ambiguous, meaning the electrical unions don't venture there in
case there is a court ruling on it?

Nick


Until there is an electrocution, fire or such, that "forces the issue"

everyone is probably happy to turn a blind eye to it maybe in order
that things can still function smoothly ? Like most things these days
- nothing is done until someone whinges, or something happens - then
the "witch hunt" starts, common sense etc goes straight down the
proverbial toilet followed by several "full" flushes, while the air
becomes thicker and thicker with flying shit.

"nick mail.com>" <nick1234@hot<nospam> wrote in message
news:41b13f6c_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Hi all,

for those with nothing to do I found the QLD safety act 2002 below, and I
wonder if your reading of this is that licences are not required for
electrical engineers to perform or supervise electrical work? ( the
perform
bit is interesting to me)

To my way of thinking thats what it says, but it seems to me to be a
little
contradictory. In part 55-3b it says persons practicing the profession of
electrical engineering can supervise and perform electrical work without a
licence.

But in part 56 (contractor) it says no one can carry on the business of
electrical work without being licenced, and it lists no exemptions.

It seems to me that if you are practicing the profession then you are
carrying on the business of electrical engineering.

Educators are also exempt in part 55. Its funny that you can teach
electricians but you can't be an electrician when you leave the front gate
of the tafe. Someone in that union has wound this up tight.

Any comments?

Nick


PART 4-LICENCES

Division 1-Requirements for electrical licences

55 Requirement for electrical work licence

(1) A person must not perform or supervise electrical work unless-

(a) the person is the holder of an electrical work licence in force

under this Act; and

(b) the licence authorises the person to perform the work.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Only an individual may be the holder of an electrical work licence.

(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical

work licence for the purpose of the following-

(a) performance or supervision of electrical work for the purpose of

installing or repairing telecommunications cabling;

(b) performance or supervision of electrical work in practising the

person's profession as an electrical engineer;

(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;

(d) performance or supervision of electrical work as part of the

testing of electrical equipment that the person is authorised to do

under a regulation;

(e) performance, as an apprentice, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the apprentice to perform electrical work;

(f) performance, as a trainee, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the trainee to perform electrical work of a type

prescribed under a regulation;

(g) performance, as a student, of electrical work as part of training

under the supervision of teaching staff at-

(i) a university; or

(ii) a college, school or similar institution conducted or

approved by a department of the State or of the

Commonwealth.

56 Requirement for electrical contractor licence

(1) A person must not conduct a business or undertaking that includes

the performance of electrical work unless the person is the holder of an

electrical contractor licence that is in force.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Without limiting subsection (1), a person conducts a business or

undertaking that includes the performance of electrical work if the

person-

(a) advertises, notifies or states that, or advertises, notifies or makes

a statement to the effect that, the person carries on the business of

performing electrical work; or

(b) contracts for the performance electrical work, other than under a

contract of employment; or

(c) represents to the public that the person is willing to perform

electrical work; or

(d) employs a worker to perform electrical work, other than for the

person.

(3) However, a person does not conduct a business or undertaking that

includes the performance of electrical work only because the person-

(a) is a licensed electrical mechanic who-

(i) performs electrical work for the person or a relative of the

person at premises owned or occupied by the person or

relative; or

(ii) makes minor emergency repairs to make electrical

equipment electrically safe; or

(b) contracts for the performance of building work that includes the

performance of electrical work if the electrical work is intended

to be subcontracted to the holder of an electrical contractor

licence who is authorised under the licence to perform the work.

(4) This section does not authorise the performance of electrical work by

a person who does not have an electrical work licence for the work.

(5) A person does not contravene subsection (1) if-

(a) the person conducts a business or undertaking that includes the

performance of electrical work as a partner in a partnership; and

(b) the partnership is the holder of an electrical contractor licence

that is in force.

57 Compliance with conditions and restrictions

(1) The holder of an electrical work licence who performs or supervises

electrical work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included
in

the licence.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) The holder of an electrical contractor licence who performs electrical

work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included in the

licence.

Maximum penalty for subsection (2)-400 penalty units.

Division 2-Electrical licence applications

58 Definition for div 2

In this division-

"electrical licence application" means an application to the chief

executive for-

(a) the issue of an electrical licence; or

(b) the renewal of an electrical licence; or

(c) the reinstatement of an electrical licence.

59 Application for issue of electrical licence

(1) A person may apply to the chief executive for the issue of an

electrical licence.

(2) The application for the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the issue of the electrical licence,

including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may issue, or refuse to issue, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to issue the electrical licence, the chief
executive

must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a regulation for

the issue of the licence.

60 Application for renewal of electrical licence

(1) The holder of an electrical licence may, before the licence expires

(the "licence expiry"), apply to the chief executive for the renewal of
the

licence.

(2) The application for the renewal of the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the renewal of the electrical

licence, including any requirements about-

(i) the payment of fees; and

(ii) the day by which the application must be made.

(3) The chief executive may renew, or refuse to renew, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to renew the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the renewal of the licence.

(5) If the electrical licence is renewed before the licence expiry, the

renewal has effect from the licence expiry.

(6) If the electrical licence is not renewed before the licence expiry-

(a) the licence as in force immediately before the licence expiry

continues in force until-

(i) it is renewed; or

(ii) the chief executive gives written notice of a refusal to

renew; and

(b) if the licence is renewed, the licence, as renewed, ends on the day

it would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the

licence expiry.

61 Application for reinstatement of electrical licence

(1) If an electrical licence expires (the "licence expiry"), the person
who

was the holder of the licence may, within 1 year after the licence expiry,

apply to the chief executive for the reinstatement of the licence.

(2) The application must-

(a) be made in the approved form; and

(b) otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the reinstatement of an electrical

licence, including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may reinstate, or refuse to reinstate, the
electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to reinstate the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the reinstatement of the licence.

(5) The reinstatement has effect from the end of the day of reinstatement.

(6) The electrical licence, as reinstated, is not taken to have been in
force

for the period from the licence expiry to the reinstatement.

(7) However, the electrical licence, as reinstated, ends on the day it

would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the licence

expiry instead of being reinstated.

62 Further information or documents to support electrical licence

application

(1) The chief executive may, by written notice given to the applicant

under an electrical licence application, require the applicant to give the

chief executive, within a reasonable period of at least 21 days stated in
the

notice, further information or a document the chief executive reasonably

requires to decide the application.

(2) The chief executive may, in the notice, require the applicant to
verify

the further information or document by statutory declaration.

(3) The applicant is taken to have withdrawn the application if the

applicant does not comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2)

within the stated period.

63 Electrical licence conditions and restrictions

An electrical licence, as issued, renewed or reinstated, may include

conditions or restrictions the chief executive considers necessary or

desirable for the proper performance of electrical work.

Examples of conditions-

. A condition that the licence holder satisfactorily finish a particular
training course

or examination.

. A condition that the licence holder keep in place insurance of a kind,
and
in an

amount, prescribed under a regulation.

Examples of restrictions-

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence for an employer stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence in a locality stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits the extent to which the holder may supervise
the

performance of electrical work.

64 Chief executive to give reasons for refusal of application or for

conditions

(1) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive refuses to issue, renew or reinstate an electrical licence, the
chief

executive must-

(a) give written notice of the refusal to the applicant within 30 days

of the decision to refuse; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to refuse.

(2) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive decides to include additional conditions or restrictions in an

electrical licence, or change conditions or restrictions in an electrical

licence, the chief executive must-

(a) give written notice of the inclusion or change to the applicant

within 30 days of the decision to include or change the

conditions or restrictions; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to include or change the conditions or restrictions.

Division 3-External licences

65 External licence recognition provision

(1) A regulation may prescribe particular external licences to be

equivalent to particular electrical work licences.

(2) An external licence is taken to be the electrical work licence to
which

it is equivalent.

 

[Rheilly Phoull]

"nick mail.com>" <nick1234@hot<nospam> wrote in message
news:41b17ebd_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.


no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering. In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not exist.

..... you dont want to go there


When I am at work engaged in the design of the equipments power supply
am
I
not a practicing EE? and engaged on an EE project? And if this is so
may
I
not hook up the power lead and put the plug on?


** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.

Only those who install or modify electrical wiring in a premises
need
licences.


actually thats not true, one of the techs at work recently had to renew
their restricted licence (NREL?) to handle the connection of power leads
to
equipment. Its a rediculous licence for qualified electronics people to
have
to get.


Ahh Yes!!

Of course people who do all that complicated electronics must know (and have
experience) in running mains cables and connecting them. I often wonder why
such superior beings want to humble themselves by putting on a plugtop or
crawling around in a ceiling "jerking cables".

--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com>"

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.

no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering.

** One either IS or is NOT practising as an Electrical Engineer.

The difference is enormous.

BTW Do not snip away contexts or shift words to a new context.

In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not exist.

** How utterly irrelevant.

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an appliance.

Only those who install or modify electrical wiring in a premises
need licences.



actually thats not true,

** Yes it is true in nearly all states of Australia and most places round
the world.




........... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Alan"
"Phil Allison"

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an appliance.


............ Phil


You DO in WA. There is a "Restricted Licence" for that
kind of work.

** Got any links to the details of the law in that regard over there ??

How long has it been law ?





.............. Phil

 

[AB]

Nick,

You don't need any licence to wire electronic / electrical equipment. I'm a
electronics tech and do mains wiring on
power supplies , trannys , fuses , etc etc everyday.......so do people who
"assemble" appliances
in factories for that matter....

You need a Class A/B for fixed building wiring , cabling , lights ,
powerpoints , switchboards etc......

Cheers
Andrew
"nick mail.com>" <nick1234@hot<nospam> wrote in message
news:41b13f6c_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

Hi all,

for those with nothing to do I found the QLD safety act 2002 below, and I
wonder if your reading of this is that licences are not required for
electrical engineers to perform or supervise electrical work? ( the
perform
bit is interesting to me)

To my way of thinking thats what it says, but it seems to me to be a
little
contradictory. In part 55-3b it says persons practicing the profession of
electrical engineering can supervise and perform electrical work without a
licence.

But in part 56 (contractor) it says no one can carry on the business of
electrical work without being licenced, and it lists no exemptions.

It seems to me that if you are practicing the profession then you are
carrying on the business of electrical engineering.

Educators are also exempt in part 55. Its funny that you can teach
electricians but you can't be an electrician when you leave the front gate
of the tafe. Someone in that union has wound this up tight.

Any comments?

Nick


PART 4-LICENCES

Division 1-Requirements for electrical licences

55 Requirement for electrical work licence

(1) A person must not perform or supervise electrical work unless-

(a) the person is the holder of an electrical work licence in force

under this Act; and

(b) the licence authorises the person to perform the work.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Only an individual may be the holder of an electrical work licence.

(3) A person is not required under subsection (1) to hold an electrical

work licence for the purpose of the following-

(a) performance or supervision of electrical work for the purpose of

installing or repairing telecommunications cabling;

(b) performance or supervision of electrical work in practising the

person's profession as an electrical engineer;

(c) performance or supervision of remote rural installation work;

(d) performance or supervision of electrical work as part of the

testing of electrical equipment that the person is authorised to do

under a regulation;

(e) performance, as an apprentice, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the apprentice to perform electrical work;

(f) performance, as a trainee, of electrical work in a calling that

requires the trainee to perform electrical work of a type

prescribed under a regulation;

(g) performance, as a student, of electrical work as part of training

under the supervision of teaching staff at-

(i) a university; or

(ii) a college, school or similar institution conducted or

approved by a department of the State or of the

Commonwealth.

56 Requirement for electrical contractor licence

(1) A person must not conduct a business or undertaking that includes

the performance of electrical work unless the person is the holder of an

electrical contractor licence that is in force.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) Without limiting subsection (1), a person conducts a business or

undertaking that includes the performance of electrical work if the

person-

(a) advertises, notifies or states that, or advertises, notifies or makes

a statement to the effect that, the person carries on the business of

performing electrical work; or

(b) contracts for the performance electrical work, other than under a

contract of employment; or

(c) represents to the public that the person is willing to perform

electrical work; or

(d) employs a worker to perform electrical work, other than for the

person.

(3) However, a person does not conduct a business or undertaking that

includes the performance of electrical work only because the person-

(a) is a licensed electrical mechanic who-

(i) performs electrical work for the person or a relative of the

person at premises owned or occupied by the person or

relative; or

(ii) makes minor emergency repairs to make electrical

equipment electrically safe; or

(b) contracts for the performance of building work that includes the

performance of electrical work if the electrical work is intended

to be subcontracted to the holder of an electrical contractor

licence who is authorised under the licence to perform the work.

(4) This section does not authorise the performance of electrical work by

a person who does not have an electrical work licence for the work.

(5) A person does not contravene subsection (1) if-

(a) the person conducts a business or undertaking that includes the

performance of electrical work as a partner in a partnership; and

(b) the partnership is the holder of an electrical contractor licence

that is in force.

57 Compliance with conditions and restrictions

(1) The holder of an electrical work licence who performs or supervises

electrical work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included
in

the licence.

Maximum penalty-400 penalty units.

(2) The holder of an electrical contractor licence who performs electrical

work must comply with all conditions and restrictions included in the

licence.

Maximum penalty for subsection (2)-400 penalty units.

Division 2-Electrical licence applications

58 Definition for div 2

In this division-

"electrical licence application" means an application to the chief

executive for-

(a) the issue of an electrical licence; or

(b) the renewal of an electrical licence; or

(c) the reinstatement of an electrical licence.

59 Application for issue of electrical licence

(1) A person may apply to the chief executive for the issue of an

electrical licence.

(2) The application for the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the issue of the electrical licence,

including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may issue, or refuse to issue, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to issue the electrical licence, the chief
executive

must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a regulation for

the issue of the licence.

60 Application for renewal of electrical licence

(1) The holder of an electrical licence may, before the licence expires

(the "licence expiry"), apply to the chief executive for the renewal of
the

licence.

(2) The application for the renewal of the electrical licence-

(a) must be made in the approved form; and

(b) must otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the renewal of the electrical

licence, including any requirements about-

(i) the payment of fees; and

(ii) the day by which the application must be made.

(3) The chief executive may renew, or refuse to renew, the electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to renew the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the renewal of the licence.

(5) If the electrical licence is renewed before the licence expiry, the

renewal has effect from the licence expiry.

(6) If the electrical licence is not renewed before the licence expiry-

(a) the licence as in force immediately before the licence expiry

continues in force until-

(i) it is renewed; or

(ii) the chief executive gives written notice of a refusal to

renew; and

(b) if the licence is renewed, the licence, as renewed, ends on the day

it would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the

licence expiry.

61 Application for reinstatement of electrical licence

(1) If an electrical licence expires (the "licence expiry"), the person
who

was the holder of the licence may, within 1 year after the licence expiry,

apply to the chief executive for the reinstatement of the licence.

(2) The application must-

(a) be made in the approved form; and

(b) otherwise comply with the requirements prescribed under a

regulation about applying for the reinstatement of an electrical

licence, including any requirements about the payment of fees.

(3) The chief executive may reinstate, or refuse to reinstate, the
electrical

licence.

(4) In deciding whether to reinstate the electrical licence, the chief

executive must apply any eligibility requirements prescribed under a

regulation for the reinstatement of the licence.

(5) The reinstatement has effect from the end of the day of reinstatement.

(6) The electrical licence, as reinstated, is not taken to have been in
force

for the period from the licence expiry to the reinstatement.

(7) However, the electrical licence, as reinstated, ends on the day it

would have ended if it had been renewed with effect from the licence

expiry instead of being reinstated.

62 Further information or documents to support electrical licence

application

(1) The chief executive may, by written notice given to the applicant

under an electrical licence application, require the applicant to give the

chief executive, within a reasonable period of at least 21 days stated in
the

notice, further information or a document the chief executive reasonably

requires to decide the application.

(2) The chief executive may, in the notice, require the applicant to
verify

the further information or document by statutory declaration.

(3) The applicant is taken to have withdrawn the application if the

applicant does not comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2)

within the stated period.

63 Electrical licence conditions and restrictions

An electrical licence, as issued, renewed or reinstated, may include

conditions or restrictions the chief executive considers necessary or

desirable for the proper performance of electrical work.

Examples of conditions-

. A condition that the licence holder satisfactorily finish a particular
training course

or examination.

. A condition that the licence holder keep in place insurance of a kind,
and
in an

amount, prescribed under a regulation.

Examples of restrictions-

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence for an employer stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits electrical work that may be performed under
the
licence to

a kind stated in the licence in a locality stated in the licence.

. A restriction that limits the extent to which the holder may supervise
the

performance of electrical work.

64 Chief executive to give reasons for refusal of application or for

conditions

(1) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive refuses to issue, renew or reinstate an electrical licence, the
chief

executive must-

(a) give written notice of the refusal to the applicant within 30 days

of the decision to refuse; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to refuse.

(2) If, after considering an electrical licence application, the chief

executive decides to include additional conditions or restrictions in an

electrical licence, or change conditions or restrictions in an electrical

licence, the chief executive must-

(a) give written notice of the inclusion or change to the applicant

within 30 days of the decision to include or change the

conditions or restrictions; and

(b) include with the written notice an information notice for the

decision to include or change the conditions or restrictions.

Division 3-External licences

65 External licence recognition provision

(1) A regulation may prescribe particular external licences to be

equivalent to particular electrical work licences.

(2) An external licence is taken to be the electrical work licence to
which

it is equivalent.

 

[Phil Allison]

"AB"

** For Christ's sake trim what is not relevant.

You don't need any licence to wire electronic / electrical equipment. I'm
a electronics tech and do mains wiring on power supplies , trannys , fuses
, etc etc everyday.......so do people who "assemble" appliances in
factories for that matter....

** I think there is a distinction between doing manufacture of or repairs
to appliances at your own premises AND going out to other people's
premises and work places and doing AC cable fitting or modifications to
appliances on site.

Some states ( WA ?? ) require you to have a permit for that.





............. Phil

 

[nick]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:31dhjuF3apaslU1@individual.net...

"nick mail.com>"

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.

no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering.



** One either IS or is NOT practising as an Electrical Engineer.

The difference is enormous.

the practice of electronics engineering is the practice of electrical
engineering .. simple.

see here if you are still unsure,
http://www.ieaust.org.au/./about_us/colleges/electrical/index.html

BTW Do not snip away contexts or shift words to a new context.

take it easy

In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not exist.


** How utterly irrelevant.

rubbish, you may major in computer engineering within an electrical
engineering degree. You may also major in power. Who cares what the uni
called it? Its all the same thing.

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.

Only those who install or modify electrical wiring in a premises
need licences.



actually thats not true,



** Yes it is true in nearly all states of Australia and most places
round
the world.

Well around the world maybe.. not in Aus. I've worked in WA, QLD and TAS in
last 5 years and its in place there. I first heard of NREL in 1996... its
purpose was to be a national licence.

I was once actually threatened by one of the electricians when I was a
commonwealth employee for having rewired an electrical control box. (I had
disconnected it and took it away to the bench to work on it). He came in on
nightshift and saw I had done some electrical work on my bench, got the
shits, and went off and got advice from his union that I had been bad.(this
was while I was an electronics tech) The shit hit the fan the next day but I
was saved by the fact that the commonwealth award I was working under
allowed electronics technicians to do any electrical wiring work consistent
with their jobs. As I was working on a commonwealth site I was therefore ok.
As far as i know the commonwealth regs have not changed.

A curious legal loophole to get around state licensing and a nice way to
stick it up their arses in the end. BTW there was never any issue with the
work quality, pretty simple stuff really.

 

[nick]

thanks AB,

what state are you working in?

 

[nick]

aahh!

an electrician maybe?

you see, phoull, I don't have a problem with electricians at all. I dont
mind that they are the least educated and simplest of all electrical
workers.

What gets my goat is how they have lobbied to rig the system. I actually
dont think engineers should be able to immediately go off and do fixed
electrical wiring work. But putting a plug on a lead is a case of turning
over the packet you bought it in and looking at the picture.

What really shits me though is that there is not a relatively
straightforward short course option to allow those with higher electrical
qualifications to simply study the detail of the australian wiring standards
to get licensed and hence get fixed electrical wiring employment. You see,
and maybe the electrical unions have realised this, but the less simple of
us really dont shit ourselves sitting in front of an exam paper.

I think the adult apprenticeship is a step in the right direction its just
that I doubt many intelligent adults would put up with the trady crap that
goes on in building sites like some pimply faced simpleton would.

Nick





"Rheilly Phoull" <Rheilly@bigpong.com> wrote in message
news:31dge0F3ad6l4U1@individual.net...

"nick mail.com>" <nick1234@hot<nospam> wrote in message
news:41b17ebd_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.


no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering. In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not exist.

..... you dont want to go there


When I am at work engaged in the design of the equipments power
supply
am
I
not a practicing EE? and engaged on an EE project? And if this is so
may
I
not hook up the power lead and put the plug on?


** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.

Only those who install or modify electrical wiring in a premises
need
licences.


actually thats not true, one of the techs at work recently had to renew
their restricted licence (NREL?) to handle the connection of power leads
to
equipment. Its a rediculous licence for qualified electronics people to
have
to get.


Ahh Yes!!
Of course people who do all that complicated electronics must know (and
have
experience) in running mains cables and connecting them. I often wonder
why
such superior beings want to humble themselves by putting on a plugtop or
crawling around in a ceiling "jerking cables".

--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com"

"Phil Allison"

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.

no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering.


** One either IS or is NOT practising as an Electrical Engineer.

The difference is enormous.


the practice of electronics engineering is the practice of electrical
engineering .. simple.

** Then you really are a complete fuckwit.

I said and the law says " a practicing Electrical Engineer".

Go get someone to tell you what that is.

BTW Do not snip away contexts or shift words to a new context.


take it easy

** Fuck you shithead.

In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not
exist.


** How utterly irrelevant.

rubbish,

** This "nick" idiot is worse than a complete fool.

you may major in computer engineering within an electrical
engineering degree. You may also major in power. Who cares what the uni
called it? Its all the same thing.

** Your degree is NOT the proof of what you are "practising" as.

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.

** Yes it is true in nearly all states of Australia and most places
round the world.


Well around the world maybe.. not in Aus.

** Utter bullshit.

I've worked in WA, QLD and TAS in
last 5 years and its in place there.

** Has no effect on appliance repairers or manufacturing operations .

I was once actually threatened by one of the electricians when I was a
commonwealth employee for having rewired an electrical control box.

** Not a problem - as long as it is an appliance that plugs into an
outlet.

Messing with installed wiring in premises is the issue.






............... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"nick mail.com>"

aahh!

an electrician maybe?

you see, phoull, I don't have a problem with electricians at all. I dont
mind that they are the least educated and simplest of all electrical
workers.

** Hey - we have ourselves a LIVE ONE here folks !!!!!!

Nick - the Engineer who *tolerates* sparkies.

What a cool dude.

What gets my goat is how they have lobbied to rig the system. I actually
dont think engineers should be able to immediately go off and do fixed
electrical wiring work.

** Specially if their only expertise is software manipulation ??

Specially if the software is inside their trousers ??

But putting a plug on a lead is a case of turning
over the packet you bought it in and looking at the picture.

** Requires no license if done on your own premises.

What really shits me though is that there is not a relatively
straightforward short course option to allow those with higher electrical
qualifications to simply study the detail of the australian wiring
standards
to get licensed and hence get fixed electrical wiring employment.

** I doubt there is any demand for such an absurd scheme.

You see,
and maybe the electrical unions have realised this, but the less simple of
us really dont shit ourselves sitting in front of an exam paper.

** So where DO you shit yourself - Nick ????

In front of a hostile immigration officer ?

I think the adult apprenticeship is a step in the right direction its just
that I doubt many intelligent adults would put up with the trady crap that
goes on in building sites like some pimply faced simpleton would.

Nick

** All charm and bonhomie is our Nick.

Nothing coming to grips with some high voltage cables would not fix
however.





............. Phil

 

[nick]

wow... your tone headed south... but then I've scrolled up and seen this is
usual for you.. why is that? problems?

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:31dlm1F3ap2mdU1@individual.net...

"nick mail.com"
"Phil Allison"

** That is Electronics Engineering - not Electrical.

no.. electronics is a subset of electrical engineering.


** One either IS or is NOT practising as an Electrical Engineer.

The difference is enormous.


the practice of electronics engineering is the practice of electrical
engineering .. simple.


** Then you really are a complete fuckwit.

take it easy

I said and the law says " a practicing Electrical Engineer".

Go get someone to tell you what that is.

well... its practicing electrical engineering. I reckon I have a pretty good
idea what that is. Do you? I've worked on all sorts of stuff... from 3kv
generators to low noise amplifiers. The borders you imagine between what you
call electrical and the rest dont exist. On that 3kv generator I can find 3
phase cable trays, and a microcontroller.

BTW Do not snip away contexts or shift words to a new context.


take it easy


** Fuck you shithead.

breathing may help

In some
countries/universities the Electronic Engineering degree does not
exist.


** How utterly irrelevant.

rubbish,


** This "nick" idiot is worse than a complete fool.


you may major in computer engineering within an electrical
engineering degree. You may also major in power. Who cares what the uni
called it? Its all the same thing.


** Your degree is NOT the proof of what you are "practising" as.

no the degree is indication of the profession. That means if you are not
degreed you are not a professional engineer. You need the degree and then
you need to practice in that field as part of your work.

** No need to have any license to fit AC plugs or leads to an
appliance.

** Yes it is true in nearly all states of Australia and most places
round the world.


Well around the world maybe.. not in Aus.


** Utter bullshit.

well you hadn't even heard of a restricted licence so how the hell would you
know?

I've worked in WA, QLD and TAS in
last 5 years and its in place there.


** Has no effect on appliance repairers or manufacturing operations .


I was once actually threatened by one of the electricians when I was a
commonwealth employee for having rewired an electrical control box.


** Not a problem - as long as it is an appliance that plugs into an
outlet.

Messing with installed wiring in premises is the issue.






.............. Phil

 

[nick]

The Ode to the techies pride

I cant tell you phill how much you remind me of a couple of guys I've worked
with over the years.

The trouble with electronics is that it attracts the introverts, nothing
wrong with that really, they have to go somewhere. But they pride themselves
on being smarter than the rest, and its often true they are. But what they
hate more than anything is looking like they are idiots, or not as smart as
someone else.

This is especially true with technicians, often they are great, but when you
get an engineer or dare I say someone even more highly qualified, out come
the claws and they go for the jugular to prove to everyone else they are
just as smart, after all no-one is smarter than them with all this high tech
stuff right? The difference with you Phil is that when you cant tangle on a
technical level, you just become the resident thug.

In me though Phil i suspect you find someone quite like yourself, been doing
this stuff since kneehigh to a grasshopper. Trouble you have Phil is that I
am smarter than you, not just more educated. I've been all the way. Hell I
was once even a screwdriver jockey like you, and that really cuts heh? Not
many have everything do they phil?

Nick