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Agree, In QLD I have been in many ceilings, and wire is always laidOn 8/12/2010 12:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I'm pretty sure that doesn't include just laying them loose across the
tops of the ceiling structure and insulation batts where they're likely
to be trodden on and tripped over by anyone who's in the roof space.
Sylvia.
That's how its done in QLD, every house I've seen including mine which
is only 1 year old.
Tom
In Darwin it gets even better.On Dec 8, 3:06Â pm, Tom <t...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 12:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I'm pretty sure that doesn't include just laying them loose across the
tops of the ceiling structure and insulation batts where they're likely
to be trodden on and tripped over by anyone who's in the roof space.
Sylvia.
That's how its done in QLD, every house I've seen including mine which
is only 1 year old.
Tom
Agree, In QLD I have been in many ceilings, and wire is always laid
loose across battens.
On Dec 8, 3:06 pm, Tom<t...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 12:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I'm pretty sure that doesn't include just laying them loose across the
tops of the ceiling structure and insulation batts where they're likely
to be trodden on and tripped over by anyone who's in the roof space.
Sylvia.
That's how its done in QLD, every house I've seen including mine which
is only 1 year old.
Tom
Agree, In QLD I have been in many ceilings, and wire is always laid
loose across battens.
Don't know what the regulations say but from my observations I've neverkreed wrote:
On Dec 8, 3:06 pm, Tom<t...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 12:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I'm pretty sure that doesn't include just laying them loose across the
tops of the ceiling structure and insulation batts where they're likely
to be trodden on and tripped over by anyone who's in the roof space.
Sylvia.
That's how its done in QLD, every house I've seen including mine which
is only 1 year old.
Tom
Agree, In QLD I have been in many ceilings, and wire is always laid
loose across battens.
It can not be laid across battens or joists where it can be trodden on
but If you nail bits of wood across the joists you can lay it between
the bits of wood
So much for the idea that you need to employ a professional to have itOn 8/12/2010 9:45 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Dec 8, 3:06 pm, Tom<t...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 12:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I'm pretty sure that doesn't include just laying them loose across the
tops of the ceiling structure and insulation batts where they're
likely
to be trodden on and tripped over by anyone who's in the roof space.
Sylvia.
That's how its done in QLD, every house I've seen including mine which
is only 1 year old.
Tom
Agree, In QLD I have been in many ceilings, and wire is always laid
loose across battens.
It can not be laid across battens or joists where it can be trodden on
but If you nail bits of wood across the joists you can lay it between
the bits of wood
Don't know what the regulations say but from my observations I've never
seen bits of wood or anything in QLD.
Tom
on the ceiling in new construction or additions , certainly withOn 8/12/2010 9:45 PM, F Murtz wrote:
kreed wrote:
On Dec 8, 3:06 pm, Tom<t...@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 12:11 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
I'm pretty sure that doesn't include just laying them loose across the
tops of the ceiling structure and insulation batts where they're
likely
to be trodden on and tripped over by anyone who's in the roof space.
Sylvia.
That's how its done in QLD, every house I've seen including mine which
is only 1 year old.
Tom
Agree, In QLD I have been in many ceilings, and wire is always laid
loose across battens.
It can not be laid across battens or joists where it can be trodden on
but If you nail bits of wood across the joists you can lay it between
the bits of wood
Don't know what the regulations say but from my observations I've never
seen bits of wood or anything in QLD.
Tom
My understanding the electrical work like all cable should not be placed
Right, and all insurance claims for electrical fires are not rejected orMany people whose house burns down aren't able to produce the invoice
from the electrician, but in any case an invoice proves nothing.
Someone else could have fucked it up afterwards. It's not like
electricians
put tamper-evident seals on all thir work.
That's no excuse. If they can't do the job properly for the amountOn 2010-12-08, Sylvia Else<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 10:35 AM, Metro wrote:
I can honestly say that
standard of workmanship is the worse that I have ever seen. Possible because
that all jobs are no longer tested by an authority. It is all tested on a
random basis. Very random...........Got to go.
Perhaps that explains why I have had to call tradesmen back to do things
properly.
Once when air-conditioning installers had just laid cables loose across
the roof space - I made them come back and anchor them properly. The
same mob, incidentally, removed a tile from my roof during their work,
and neglected to put it back, letting the rain in. The cost of a
building inspector to check for damage got deducted from their bill.
Another time was when the electricians and gas-fitters installing a
kitchen left the gas pipes for the stove unlawfully obstructing the
power socket that had been installed for the same stove.
It should be noted that in both cases, they were subcontractors, or
perhaps employees. The electricians I've contracted with directly have
all been very concientious, as far as I can tell. Maybe that says
something, though I'm not sure exactly what.
subcontractors often aren't paid well enough to do a good job.
Right, if only they did so. If only ALL businesses and contractors wereThat's no excuse. If they can't do the job properly for the amount
offered, then they shouldn't accept the contract.
to fix itOn 2010-12-08, Sylvia Else<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:
On 8/12/2010 10:35 AM, Metro wrote:
I can honestly say that
standard of workmanship is the worse that I have ever seen. Possible because
that all jobs are no longer tested by an authority. It is all tested on a
random basis. Very random...........Got to go.
Perhaps that explains why I have had to call tradesmen back to do things
properly.
Once when air-conditioning installers had just laid cables loose across
the roof space - I made them come back and anchor them properly. The
same mob, incidentally, removed a tile from my roof during their work,
and neglected to put it back, letting the rain in. The cost of a
building inspector to check for damage got deducted from their bill.
Another time was when the electricians and gas-fitters installing a
kitchen left the gas pipes for the stove unlawfully obstructing the
power socket that had been installed for the same stove.
It should be noted that in both cases, they were subcontractors, or
perhaps employees. The electricians I've contracted with directly have
all been very concientious, as far as I can tell. Maybe that says
something, though I'm not sure exactly what.
subcontractors often aren't paid well enough to do a good job.
Of course they are , doing it right is usually faster than coming back
Except that most of the time shoddy work won't be picked up by theOn 11/12/2010 6:49 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
subcontractors often aren't paid well enough to do a good job.
Of course they are , doing it right is usually faster than coming back
to fix it
On 2010-12-06, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:
Thinking laterally now. How about you call the people who insure your
home about the cost of annual renewal. Tell them that you rewired your
home yourself. Tell them also that you thought long and hard about the
pros and cons and that to save money you did not think it was
necessary to use an electrician ( aka - a rip-off artist )
Let us know what they say.
They'll probably toe the party line.
But what of countries where people are permitted to do this? Do insurers
bother to ask? If not, what does that say about the actual level of risk
to the insurer?
Insurers typically don't bother to ask questions until a claim is made.
when the claim is made, then they try to get out of paying. (this
applies in every country)
Many people whose house burns down aren't able to produce the invoice
from the electrician, but in any case an invoice proves nothing.
Someone else could have fucked it up afterwards. It's not like electricians
put tamper-evident seals on all thir work.
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