Electrical licensing FWIW.

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 11:53 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:39:40 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 11:27 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

Want to tallk about self-destructing aircraft engines ? And the
related insurance issues !


Not sure there's really that much to discuss. Presumably you're thinking
about the Qantas A380. Rolls Royce no doubt have product liability
insurance, which will cover ordinary risks, probably including
negligence. It's only going to get interesting if it can be shown that
RR management wilfully ignored a clearly identified unacceptable risk
(i.e. behaved like NASA management on two occasions). The insurer might
have a get-out clause then, and, as an aside, only the fact that no one
died will keep the management out of prison.

Sylvia.

Ok.

Do you recall perchance the engine type fitted to AF445/447 lost
mid-Atlantic ?

They were CF6-80s made by General Electric.

The flaws in the Avionics systems were widely discussed at the time
and the French Gov has, under duress, restarted the undersea search
for the aircraft wreckage.

But , of course you probably already knew that , neh ?

I was aware of the restart, or intended restart, of the search. I hadn't
heard that it was the result of duress. There is a clear public interest
both within France, and beyond, in having the cause of that crash
established with some certainty.

Sylvia.

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:03:15 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 10:34 PM, HW-K wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:07:42 -0800 (PST), kreed<kenreed1999@gmail.com
wrote:

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, Dianci Maichong<bou...@devnull.org> wrote:
To state it clearly, I am a licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.


Can you explain to what level the electrical industry has been
deregulated in NSW ?

Does this mean that anyone can do their own/other people's wiring
legally, do certain parts of it, are required to
do a course first etc etc ?

Thinking laterally now. How about you call the people who insure your
home about the cost of annual renewal. Tell them that you rewired your
home yourself. Tell them also that you thought long and hard about the
pros and cons and that to save money you did not think it was
necessary to use an electrician ( aka - a rip-off artist )

Let us know what they say.


They'll probably toe the party line.

But what of countries where people are permitted to do this? Do insurers
bother to ask? If not, what does that say about the actual level of risk
to the insurer?

Sylvia.

Risk is par for the course with the insurance racket. They pay out
heaps, and often.

It has been often noted is is cheaper to amputate a diabetic's
gangrenous feet than it is to provide suitable footwear to preclude
such an outcome.

I like you Sylvia - you come across as being clever.

Want to tallk about self-destructing aircraft engines ? And the
related insurance issues !

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:39:40 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 11:27 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

Want to tallk about self-destructing aircraft engines ? And the
related insurance issues !


Not sure there's really that much to discuss. Presumably you're thinking
about the Qantas A380. Rolls Royce no doubt have product liability
insurance, which will cover ordinary risks, probably including
negligence. It's only going to get interesting if it can be shown that
RR management wilfully ignored a clearly identified unacceptable risk
(i.e. behaved like NASA management on two occasions). The insurer might
have a get-out clause then, and, as an aside, only the fact that no one
died will keep the management out of prison.

Sylvia.

Ok.

Do you recall perchance the engine type fitted to AF445/447 lost
mid-Atlantic ?

The flaws in the Avionics systems were widely discussed at the time
and the French Gov has, under duress, restarted the undersea search
for the aircraft wreckage.

But , of course you probably already knew that , neh ?

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 6/12/2010 11:50 PM, kreed wrote:

The unqualified person in question may be prosecuted also ?

In NSW, at least, there are limits on how long after the work is done
that prosecutions can be started.

In any case, proof will be difficult to come by unless the suspected
person cooperates.

Sylvia.

 

[Dianci Maichong]

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 23:04:58 +1100, Sylvia Else
<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 11:53 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:39:40 +1100, Sylvia Else
sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 11:27 PM, Dianci Maichong wrote:

Want to tallk about self-destructing aircraft engines ? And the
related insurance issues !


Not sure there's really that much to discuss. Presumably you're thinking
about the Qantas A380. Rolls Royce no doubt have product liability
insurance, which will cover ordinary risks, probably including
negligence. It's only going to get interesting if it can be shown that
RR management wilfully ignored a clearly identified unacceptable risk
(i.e. behaved like NASA management on two occasions). The insurer might
have a get-out clause then, and, as an aside, only the fact that no one
died will keep the management out of prison.

Sylvia.

Ok.

Do you recall perchance the engine type fitted to AF445/447 lost
mid-Atlantic ?

They were CF6-80s made by General Electric.


The flaws in the Avionics systems were widely discussed at the time
and the French Gov has, under duress, restarted the undersea search
for the aircraft wreckage.

But , of course you probably already knew that , neh ?


I was aware of the restart, or intended restart, of the search. I hadn't
heard that it was the result of duress. There is a clear public interest
both within France, and beyond, in having the cause of that crash
established with some certainty.

Sylvia.

Well thank you for that snippet.

Bueno Noche.

 

[kreed]

On Dec 6, 9:03 pm, Sylvia Else <syl...@not.here.invalid> wrote:

On 6/12/2010 10:34 PM, HW-K wrote:



On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:07:42 -0800 (PST), kreed<kenreed1...@gmail.com
wrote:

On Dec 6, 2:16 pm, Dianci Maichong<bou...@devnull.org>  wrote:
To state it clearly, I am a  licensed electrician. Now in the state of
NSW, where deregulation thrives, this means nothing.

If someone has a gripe about your standard of workmanship having a
license means the someone can seek recompense under law.

So, having a license makes you a target if not a victim.

Without consideration of safety and threats to life and limb what is
to be said about those individuals who show contempt for individuals
like myself, who stand their ground on matters of safety and
regulation.

backyard experts, weekend warriors and cheapskates to boot.

Can you explain to what level the electrical industry has been
deregulated in NSW ?

Does this mean that anyone can do their own/other people's wiring
legally, do certain parts of it, are required to
do a course first etc etc ?

Thinking laterally now. How about you call the people who insure your
home about the cost of annual renewal. Tell them that you rewired your
home yourself. Tell them also that you thought long and hard about the
pros and cons and that to save money you did not think it was
necessary to use an electrician ( aka - a rip-off artist )

Let us know what they say.

They'll probably toe the party line.

But what of countries where people are permitted to do this? Do insurers
bother to ask? If not, what does that say about the actual level of risk
to the insurer?

Sylvia.

I think they would look for any evidence of bodgy wiring during the
insurance assessment after a claim
and if they didn't find any, they probably would pay the claim. If
the electrical system was in no way related to the claim,
they may not look at it, unless trying to find an excuse to avoid the
claim or find a pattern of bad or illegal workmanship at the
premises ?

If they found something bodgy, they would then start tracking down who
did it. If it was the homeowner who was unqualified,
they would reject the claim ?, if it was a licensed electrician, they
would probably try to recover damages from them ?
If it was someone unlicensed, but this was not known by the homeowner
when they had the work done, I'm not sure what would happen.
probably have to pursue that person who did it ?

The unqualified person in question may be prosecuted also ?

 

[T.T.]

I know of two people who believed they were capable of doing minor wiring.
The first one was the guy who wired my house. He fitted nearly all the
switches so that they interrupted the neutral.
He got away with it.
The second guy was the one who believed that switching off the light was all
he needed to do before he wired in another light fitting.
Of course, had he not been working on the wiring installed by the first guy,
he would have got away with it too.
He fell off the ladder, spectacularly, and had a crook shoulder for nearly a
year from the electrical shock itself.

 

[Phil Allison]

"fritz "

Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify
a
ridiculous position.

** SC did no such thing - you lying prick.

The 'safety' argument is rubbish.

** Absolute, dangerous bullshit.

There are many countries where people can install wiring etc.

** With a bunch of restrictions and many rules to be followed for it to be
legal.

- those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.

** They have the same problems as anywhere when electrical work is carried
out by a fuckwit.

So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.

** More utterly insane bollocks .... yawn.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx

** That page outlines the REAL situation in NZ and elsewhere.

It is FULL of dire warnings, restrictions and rules to be followed



..... Phil

 

[Tom]

On 7/12/2010 4:42 AM, T.T. wrote:

I know of two people who believed they were capable of doing minor wiring.
The first one was the guy who wired my house. He fitted nearly all the
switches so that they interrupted the neutral.
He got away with it.
The second guy was the one who believed that switching off the light was all
he needed to do before he wired in another light fitting.
Of course, had he not been working on the wiring installed by the first guy,
he would have got away with it too.
He fell off the ladder, spectacularly, and had a crook shoulder for nearly a
year from the electrical shock itself.


In early 80s I bought an old house that was professionally rewired (I

was presented with invoices from electrical company). All light switches
interrupted neutral and live was present at light fitting all the time.
Luckily I don't have a license but enough brains to check things before
I touch them.

Couple of years ago my workmate bought a nearly new house and just for
fun checked the power points with a Dick Smith (or Jaycar) test plug -
it turned out almost half of his house had earth wires connected
together but floating free. Some licensed dick forgot to run the earth
wire to the switchboard or to the other earthed power points.

I've seen many more examples of licensed stuff ups.

For me it proves that lot of those who have license don't give a shit
about safety and the most dangerous are the stupid cunts who have a
license because they think they know it best.

Tom

 

[T.T.]

"Tom" <tom@no.spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:idjld0$pa8$1@news.eternal-september.org...

On 7/12/2010 4:42 AM, T.T. wrote:
I know of two people who believed they were capable of doing minor
wiring.
The first one was the guy who wired my house. He fitted nearly all the
switches so that they interrupted the neutral.
He got away with it.
The second guy was the one who believed that switching off the light was
all
he needed to do before he wired in another light fitting.
Of course, had he not been working on the wiring installed by the first
guy,
he would have got away with it too.
He fell off the ladder, spectacularly, and had a crook shoulder for
nearly a
year from the electrical shock itself.


In early 80s I bought an old house that was professionally rewired (I was
presented with invoices from electrical company). All light switches
interrupted neutral and live was present at light fitting all the time.
Luckily I don't have a license but enough brains to check things before I
touch them.

Couple of years ago my workmate bought a nearly new house and just for fun
checked the power points with a Dick Smith (or Jaycar) test plug - it
turned out almost half of his house had earth wires connected together but
floating free. Some licensed dick forgot to run the earth wire to the
switchboard or to the other earthed power points.

I've seen many more examples of licensed stuff ups.

For me it proves that lot of those who have license don't give a shit
about safety and the most dangerous are the stupid cunts who have a
license because they think they know it best.

Tom
Another strange one: I was crawling above the ceiling in a very old terrace

in Melbourne and noticed lots of fairly robust, uninsulated twisted copper
wire laid in grooves in 2 inch by 1 inch planks. The grooves were about a
quarter inch wide and perhaps a bit deeper than a quarter inch. The wire was
a bit like the uninsulated copper earth wire that you sometimes see clamped
to a pipe driven into theground, and I assumed it was an earth. But why in a
groove, in pairs, with evidence that the grooves had one day been covered? I
didn't touch them and it quickly became obvious they were the wires to the
light fittings.
Was this at one time the norm, or was it the ultimate bodgy installation?

 

[Metro]

"Sylvia Else" <sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m459jFtt1U1@mid.individual.net...

On 6/12/2010 11:50 PM, kreed wrote:

The unqualified person in question may be prosecuted also ?

In NSW, at least, there are limits on how long after the work is done that
prosecutions can be started.

In any case, proof will be difficult to come by unless the suspected
person cooperates.

Sylvia.

After reading the replies to the subject in question apart from a couple of
replies, the old adage applies viz 'Ignorance Is Bliss'. Of course there are
rip off merchants and tradies that don't give stuff. But all in all the
majority of licensed sparkies are competent and trustworthy. The water
mains in my street is to be replaced. Would any of you 'know alls' know why
before any pipes are cut an electrician must check the switchboard at each
dwelling. A licensed sparkie would tell you..........A plumber might not
know either.

Metro.....

 

[terryc]

Dianci Maichong wrote:

who stand their ground on matters of safety

Yawn, who hasn't been done over by someone squarking "safety".
highly restricted trade leads to high prices and low quality work.

 

[fritz]

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:8m4u27Fq4U1@mid.individual.net...

"fritz "

Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to justify a
ridiculous position.

** SC did no such thing - you lying prick.

Don't call me a lying prick, toaster boy. Do you have an electricians ticket ?
If you don't, then you were working ILLEGALLY on your toasters.

You obviously did not read what SC had to say on this subject.

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_101731/article.html
Quote
"OK, so how have electricians reacted to this campaign?
On the whole, they have been utterly negative.
They generally refuse to accept the fact that most western countries:
(a) permit home-owners to do mains wiring and appliance repairs; and
(b) have a better safety record than Australia’s.
While denying these facts they go on to claim that conditions in Australia
are somehow more dangerous than elsewhere."
unquote
Read the rest of the SC argument for DIY wiring online.

The 'safety' argument is rubbish.

** Absolute, dangerous bullshit.

It is a FACT, toaster boy, that countries with DIY wiring have a BETTER
safety record than Australia. Queensland is particularly bad. When you
stop DIY because a bunch of electricians want to keep a monopoly you
create a situation where MORE people are killed by electrical faults.
That is proven, Australia has a higher fatality rate than NZ or any of the
other countries that allow DIY wiring.

There are many countries where people can install wiring etc.


** With a bunch of restrictions and many rules to be followed for it to be legal.

They still allow DIY, toaster boy. Anyway, the point is that if you ban DIY
the public are deprived of the info to carry out the work safely.
"In countries where it is legal for home-owners to do their own wiring,
information on how to do it is freely available.
For instance, the New Zealand government sells "code of practice" booklets
to home-owners there (NZ$5 each), to provide guidance on various aspects
of electrical wiring and appliance repairs. So while ever it is illegal in Australia
for home-owners to do their own domestic wiring, the information on how to
do it is likely to be unavailable."
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_101731/article.html

- those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.


** They have the same problems as anywhere when electrical work is carried out by a fuckwit.

What a stupid comment.
The rate of deaths is much lower in NZ or other countries that permit DIY wiring
than in Australia, toaster boy. As Silicon Chip pointed out, I cannot understand
how you could have completly misunderstood what SC said on this subject.

So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.


** More utterly insane bollocks .... yawn.

Dream on, toaster boy. Look up the SC website. Search for 'wiring regulations'.

Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx


** That page outlines the REAL situation in NZ and elsewhere.

It is FULL of dire warnings, restrictions and rules to be followed

Yes, of course it does. Nobody is suggesting you should attempt DIY
wiring without information. The NZ website shows how DIY wiring should
work in a country without a totalitarian electricians union, as was clearly
explained in Silicon Chip.

 

[terryc]

T.T. wrote:

was it the ultimate bodgy installation?

Bare copper wire must have been cheap at some stage.
Machine routed wood?

IME, really old wires are heavy twisted strands in rubber(goes very
brittle with age) and with a cloth covering(red or black) and inside
metal conduit.

 

[atec77]

On 7/12/2010 8:44 AM, T.T. wrote:

"Tom"<tom@no.spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:idjld0$pa8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
On 7/12/2010 4:42 AM, T.T. wrote:
I know of two people who believed they were capable of doing minor
wiring.
The first one was the guy who wired my house. He fitted nearly all the
switches so that they interrupted the neutral.
He got away with it.
The second guy was the one who believed that switching off the light was
all
he needed to do before he wired in another light fitting.
Of course, had he not been working on the wiring installed by the first
guy,
he would have got away with it too.
He fell off the ladder, spectacularly, and had a crook shoulder for
nearly a
year from the electrical shock itself.


In early 80s I bought an old house that was professionally rewired (I was
presented with invoices from electrical company). All light switches
interrupted neutral and live was present at light fitting all the time.
Luckily I don't have a license but enough brains to check things before I
touch them.

Couple of years ago my workmate bought a nearly new house and just for fun
checked the power points with a Dick Smith (or Jaycar) test plug - it
turned out almost half of his house had earth wires connected together but
floating free. Some licensed dick forgot to run the earth wire to the
switchboard or to the other earthed power points.

I've seen many more examples of licensed stuff ups.

For me it proves that lot of those who have license don't give a shit
about safety and the most dangerous are the stupid cunts who have a
license because they think they know it best.

Tom
Another strange one: I was crawling above the ceiling in a very old terrace
in Melbourne and noticed lots of fairly robust, uninsulated twisted copper
wire laid in grooves in 2 inch by 1 inch planks. The grooves were about a
quarter inch wide and perhaps a bit deeper than a quarter inch. The wire was
a bit like the uninsulated copper earth wire that you sometimes see clamped
to a pipe driven into theground, and I assumed it was an earth. But why in a
groove, in pairs, with evidence that the grooves had one day been covered? I
didn't touch them and it quickly became obvious they were the wires to the
light fittings.
Was this at one time the norm, or was it the ultimate bodgy installation?


MMM prewar trained sparky

--
X-No-Archive: Yes

 

[Metro]

"T.T." <tonyt92@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:7HdLo.4260$MF5.2664@viwinnwfe02.internal.bigpond.com...

"Tom" <tom@no.spam.invalid> wrote in message
news:idjld0$pa8$1@news.eternal-september.org...
On 7/12/2010 4:42 AM, T.T. wrote:

8<--------- ----------------- --------------

Another strange one: I was crawling above the ceiling in a very old
terrace in Melbourne and noticed lots of fairly robust, uninsulated
twisted copper wire laid in grooves in 2 inch by 1 inch planks. The
grooves were about a quarter inch wide and perhaps a bit deeper than a
quarter inch. The wire was a bit like the uninsulated copper earth wire
that you sometimes see clamped to a pipe driven into theground, and I
assumed it was an earth. But why in a groove, in pairs, with evidence that
the grooves had one day been covered? I didn't touch them and it quickly
became obvious they were the wires to the light fittings.
Was this at one time the norm, or was it the ultimate bodgy installation?

Definitely bodgy.........Sounds like they have used uninsulalted copper
earth wire. Used mainly in the days when all the wiring was done with
imperial gauge wire. These days the earth wire is insulated........

Metro.....

 

[Metro]

"fritz" <yaputya@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:idjrfv$5hv$00$2@news.t-online.com...

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:8m4u27Fq4U1@mid.individual.net...

"fritz "

Silicon Chip exposed the fallacy of 'safety' lies that are used to
justify a
ridiculous position.

** SC did no such thing - you lying prick.

Don't call me a lying prick, toaster boy. Do you have an electricians
ticket ?
If you don't, then you were working ILLEGALLY on your toasters.

You obviously did not read what SC had to say on this subject.

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_101731/article.html
Quote
"OK, so how have electricians reacted to this campaign?
On the whole, they have been utterly negative.
They generally refuse to accept the fact that most western countries:
(a) permit home-owners to do mains wiring and appliance repairs; and
(b) have a better safety record than Australia's.
While denying these facts they go on to claim that conditions in Australia
are somehow more dangerous than elsewhere."
unquote
Read the rest of the SC argument for DIY wiring online.



The 'safety' argument is rubbish.

** Absolute, dangerous bullshit.

It is a FACT, toaster boy, that countries with DIY wiring have a BETTER
safety record than Australia. Queensland is particularly bad. When you
stop DIY because a bunch of electricians want to keep a monopoly you
create a situation where MORE people are killed by electrical faults.
That is proven, Australia has a higher fatality rate than NZ or any of the
other countries that allow DIY wiring.



There are many countries where people can install wiring etc.


** With a bunch of restrictions and many rules to be followed for it to
be legal.

They still allow DIY, toaster boy. Anyway, the point is that if you ban
DIY
the public are deprived of the info to carry out the work safely.
"In countries where it is legal for home-owners to do their own wiring,
information on how to do it is freely available.
For instance, the New Zealand government sells "code of practice" booklets
to home-owners there (NZ$5 each), to provide guidance on various aspects
of electrical wiring and appliance repairs. So while ever it is illegal in
Australia
for home-owners to do their own domestic wiring, the information on how to
do it is likely to be unavailable."
http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_101731/article.html



- those countries DO NOT have a safety problem.


** They have the same problems as anywhere when electrical work is
carried out by a fuckwit.

What a stupid comment.
The rate of deaths is much lower in NZ or other countries that permit DIY
wiring
than in Australia, toaster boy. As Silicon Chip pointed out, I cannot
understand
how you could have completly misunderstood what SC said on this subject.




So the safety argument is proven bullshit - the facts PROVE it is crap.


** More utterly insane bollocks .... yawn.

Dream on, toaster boy. Look up the SC website. Search for 'wiring
regulations'.



Wiring a GPO does not require a union ticket - all you need is some
basic
information.
http://www.energysafety.govt.nz/templates/Page____17682.aspx


** That page outlines the REAL situation in NZ and elsewhere.

It is FULL of dire warnings, restrictions and rules to be followed

Yes, of course it does. Nobody is suggesting you should attempt DIY
wiring without information. The NZ website shows how DIY wiring should
work in a country without a totalitarian electricians union, as was
clearly
explained in Silicon Chip.




----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Love this....The last paragraph in your supplied link states Quote:-

What if Something Goes Wrong?
If you are unsure about anything, or think that you might have made a
mistake, make sure that the main switch is turned off, and call a licensed
electrician to check your work and correct it if necessary. If you do work
that is unsafe you could seriously injure yourself or a member of your
family and you could be prosecuted.



Says it all does it not? Certainly stuffs up your argument.

If you rang me and told me you had made a mistake or were unsure don't
expect any help........

Metro..........

 

[Phil Allison]

"fritz"

( snip piles of putrid, irrational crap)


** This wanker is a DANGEROUS LUNATIC !!

 

[Sylvia Else]

On 7/12/2010 10:10 AM, Metro wrote:

"Sylvia Else"<sylvia@not.here.invalid> wrote in message
news:8m459jFtt1U1@mid.individual.net...
On 6/12/2010 11:50 PM, kreed wrote:

The unqualified person in question may be prosecuted also ?

In NSW, at least, there are limits on how long after the work is done that
prosecutions can be started.

In any case, proof will be difficult to come by unless the suspected
person cooperates.

Sylvia.

After reading the replies to the subject in question apart from a couple of
replies, the old adage applies viz 'Ignorance Is Bliss'. Of course there are
rip off merchants and tradies that don't give stuff. But all in all the
majority of licensed sparkies are competent and trustworthy. The water
mains in my street is to be replaced. Would any of you 'know alls' know why
before any pipes are cut an electrician must check the switchboard at each
dwelling. A licensed sparkie would tell you..........A plumber might not
know either.

Metro.....

It should be noted that in my original reply I said

"If there were approved courses and accreditation for performing trivial
jobs"

I have not suggested that people should just assume they know what
they're doing, nor that a short course would be sufficient to allow a
person safely to perform high voltage wiring at the top of power poles.

But basic home wiring is not difficult, and I can't see any good reason
why there shouldn't be courses available that teach people how to do
this safely, examinations to check that they've learned it, and a
certificate that allows them to do it lawfully.

It's understandable that qualified electricians want to maintain their
monopoly over this work, but far from clear that it's justified on
safety grounds.

Sylvia.

 

[fritz]

"Phil Allison" <phil_a@tpg.com.au> wrote in message news:8m5d4sFnn4U1@mid.individual.net...

"fritz"

( snip piles of putrid, irrational crap)


** This wanker is a DANGEROUS LUNATIC !!

Sorry to embarrass you, toaster boy.
You really are ignorant, read the SC cites and learn something.

http://www.siliconchip.com.au/cms/A_110635/article.html