Electrical certification for imported goods

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:27:37 +1300, Richard Hector wrote:

You can legally copy the Linux kernel, or any other GPL software. That in
no way means you own the copyright.

Though from past evidence, I don't expect you to understand this either ...

Let me see...

You seem to be saying that having the "right to copy" something is not the
same as having the "copy right."

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

That is the oldest interpretation of the term "copyright".


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:47:46 +1300, T.N.O. - Dave.net.nz wrote:

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

That statement is a little too broad...
It depends on the conditions of the copyright.

True enough...

Most times the copyright owner refuses to assign to the purchaser the
right to make copies of the purchased copy.


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:55:42 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

Get that autism seen to Lennier - your whole life is fucked
otherwise *****

You seem rather too keen on personally attacking people!


Lennier

--
The above reply is in response to a person who can be only described as a
knuckle-dragger.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier" <

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

** Which you have not got.

A full copyright holder has the right to ALTER a work - and sell the
altered versions.

You do not have that right either.

You have SFA rights.



............ Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier" <

Get that autism seen to Lennier - your whole life is fucked
otherwise *****

You seem rather too keen on personally attacking people!

** You are autistic - that is a fact.

Get yourself tested if you doubt me.

This is advice - not an attack.




........... Phil

 

[Craig Hart]

Who owns the copyright on a newspaper article?

Normally the newspaper that publishes it.

Neither has any relevance what so ever to whether he has copyright
of the particular certificate with his name on. He doesnt. Because he
was never involved in creating it. He just has his name on it.


But the Publisher didn't write the article. The Article even has the
Journalist's name in the byline.

See "works for hire" - if you're paid by others to create it as an employee,
others own it when you're done.

 

[Craig Hart]

PROVE you were explicitly assigned ownerchip of the copyright to "your"
certificate. if you cannot, you do not.


"Lennier" <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:44:53 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

*I* can assign that right to whomsoever I choose.

Nope, you have no copyright to assign to anyone because
you are not the author or designer of that certificate.


yawn

Merely because I wasn't the author or the designer of my certificate does
not mean that I have not been granted the full ownership of my certificate
- including the right to copy it - the copyRIGHT.

This is self-evident.


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Uncle StoatWarbler]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:05:28 +1300, Rob wrote:

Rubbish, who owns the copyright to all the Beatles music?

Michael Jackson for the most part - and he's not the author.

 

[Uncle StoatWarbler]

FFS CHANGE THE BLOODY SUBJECT LINE!

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

- that right was assigned to me when I was given the
certificate upon completion of the course that I had paid for;

Wrong again. You certainly paid for the course and that certificate
that goes with passing the course, but that is NOT copyright.

Just like you pay for a paperback or CD when you buy
it and you do NOT get any copyright what so ever.

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

Wot I said, child.

I CAN legally copy my certificate

Because the copyright owner gives you permission to do that.

Just like you have permission from me to quote
what I write in here that I retain the copyright to.

- I own the right to copy my certificate any way I please.

You just have the permission of the copyright owner to do that.

Ipso facto I own the copyright.

Not a clue. Read the legislation, child. It defines copyright there.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Richard Hector wrote

You can legally copy the Linux kernel, or any other GPL
software. That in no way means you own the copyright.

Though from past evidence, I don't expect you to understand this either ...

Let me see...

Not likely possible, you've clearly wanked yourself blind.

You seem to be saying that having the "right to copy"
something is not the same as having the "copy right."

Correct. In that particular example you have the
permission of the copyright owner to make copys.

That is NOT the same thing as the copyright itself.

Read the legislation, child.

Well - I was speaking of the exclusive right to copy my certificate.

You dont have any 'exclusive right' except
in your fetid little pig ignorant imagination.

That is the oldest interpretation of the term "copyright".

Pity about the current law, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Duh - I own the RIGHT to COPY my certificate in any way I choose.

And that is JUST permission from the actual holder of that copyright
to do that. Just like you have an implied permission from me as the
copyright owner of what I post in here, to quote what I have posted,
because I chose to post what I have posted in here.

You keep repeating yourself.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh child ?

Can't you either open your eyes or say something new?

You in spades, child. So stupid you cant even manage
to read and comprehend the relevant legislation.

You just keep mindlessly pig ignorantly chanting that silly copy-right mantra.

Read the legislation, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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harry wrote

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone
have the right to reproduce my certificate. I alone
have the RIGHT to COPY it - the copy-right.

No, you just have permission to copy it, you do not have the copyright.
Copyright has a formal definition, you don't get to decide.
The polytech can make another one if they want to

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

Wrong. The other right to copy comes with
permission of the copyright owner to do that.

When William Byrd received the right to produce
copies of various manuscripts of other composers
he received just exactly that - the copyright.

You can certainly buy and sell a copyright.

No one ever sold you the copyright to anything.

You JUST have permission from the copyright owner
to copy that particular certificate with you name on it.

Just like plenty of the copyright holders of code give
permission for the code to be copied, used, modified,
as long as the attribution of the copyright holder is retained.

And I give you permission to quote what
I write in here, whilst retaining the copyright.

Read the legislation, child.

Read up on the Rule of Holes, too. You'll be out in china any day now.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone
have the right to reproduce my certificate.

Wrong. As always. The polytech has that right too. And so has an
employer or potential employer who you choose to send it to too.

Bullshit!

You're certainly full of that.

I alone have access to my certificate.

The polytech doesnt need access to that particular certificate
to produce another with your name on it. Which is handy since
that would present some difficultys if you lose the original, child.

For an employer to make a copy of my
certificate I would have to hand it my certificate,

Must be one of those rocket scientist children.

along with the permission to make a copy.

You get no say on that legally. They are welcome
to make a copy for their files if they want to.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

- and have never claimed such ownership.

You have however pig ignorantly claimed to own the
copyright to that particular certificate with your name on it.

You dont, legally.

I DO!

Screaming that at the top of your lungs changes nothing, child.

You were not a party to the agreement between me and the Polytechnic.

There is no 'agreement' on that. Its just another
of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

"Lennier" <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message newsan.2004.01.20.09.57.03.372251@TRACKER...

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:30:31 +1300, harry wrote:

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put it
in a new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.


You have no permission from the copyright holder to do so unless it is
explicitly given because what you are suggesting exceeds your fair use
rights under the copyright act.

*I* possess the copyright to my certificate..

You can chant that pathetic little mantra till the cows come
home if you like child. Changes absolutely nothing at all.

Read the legislation.

I can do what I like with it!

Separate issue entirely to who retains the copyright.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote

Who owns the copyright on a newspaper article?

Normally the newspaper that publishes it.

Neither has any relevance what so ever to whether he has copyright
of the particular certificate with his name on. He doesnt. Because he
was never involved in creating it. He just has his name on it.

But the Publisher didn't write the article.

The publisher employs the journo, stupid.

Just like that polytech employed/paid someone to
design that certificate that they retain copyright to
even after they have written your name on one copy.

The Article even has the Journalist's name in the byline.

Sometimes they do, often they dont.

And yet the copyright to the article is owned by the Publisher.

It is indeed. Just like the copyright of that certificate
with your name on it is retained by the polytech.

I paid for the information represented by that certificate.

You actually paid for the course and the certificate is
just evidence that you did manage to pass that course.

I possess the right to copy that certificate any way I please..

Yes, permission to do that has been granted by
the polytech. They however retain the copyright.

That is indeed the copyright.

Not a clue. Read the legislation, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

It's not a "copy"

Wrong again. Everyone who passed that course got
a copy of the certificate with their name on it, stupid.

No

Yep.

- they got a unique certificate.

Its still a copy.

They are all numbered

So are cars/appliances. And each one churned
out on the production line is another copy.

- none other exists with the same number.

Completely irrelevant to who owns the copyright.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

You didnt create it at all. You just have your name on it.

I didn't have to "create" the certificate

You do to get copyright. Read the legislation, child.

- the copyright to my certificate was assigned
to me at the same time I received my certificate.

Not a clue. Read the legislation, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

And the polytech doesnt need what you have in your
sweaty little paws to churn out more copys the same
way they made your original, with your name on them too.

The Polytechnic cannot make a copy unless it receives the original back.

Mindlessly silly. They can make a new
one the same way they made the first one.

If they couldnt, there'd be a problem with lost certificates, stupid.

It could, however, make another original as a replacement.

And thats a copy of the original, stupid.