Electrical certification for imported goods

[harry]

Lennier wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:39:08 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

But my certificate - I can do what I like with it - I can do
anything I please with it, and I do not need anyone else's
permission to do so.

Correct. Just like with say a paperback you have bought.

I cannot take that paperback and put a new cover on it and sell it for
money.

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put it
in a new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.

You have no permission from the copyright holder to do so unless it is
explicitly given because what you are suggesting exceeds your fair use
rights under the copyright act.
Look it up, instead of blathering like a fool.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote

- not least being because I am the only
person with access to that certificate.

Wrong again. The polytech can churn out duplicates if they want, legally.

How can it when I have the only original?

They can obviously make more the same way they
made the one you have in your sweaty little paws, child.

The Polytechnic would have to get the
original back from me in order to duplicate it.

Wrong. As always. They can obviously make more the same
way they made the one you have in your sweaty little paws, child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote

If I was not assigned the copyright then I would not be able to
make copies - would not even be able legally to photocopy it.

Wrong again. You have the implied permission
of the actual copyright owner to do that.

I have more than your "implied permission"

Nope.

- if I chose to do so I could sell framed copies of my certificate
@ $300 apiece - with no royalties going to anyone else

Yes, because the implied permission allows that.

- because *I* own the copyright.

Wrong. As always. You have no copyright to
anything to do with that particular certificate, legally.

You didnt create it at all. You just have your name on it.

The fact that you might or might not have paid for
the course is as completely irrelevant to that question
of copyright as with a paperback you pay for, legally.

Savvy?

No savvy. None, zero, nada, ziltch.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote

It is *my* certificate to do what I like with.

Correct. But you are NOT the copyright owner. The polytech is.

The Polytechnic WAS the copyright owner.

Still is the copyright owner.

*I* am now the copyright owner.

Wrong. As always.

I alone possess the right to make copies of my own certificate.

Wrong. As always.

Let's face it - nobody else CAN make copies
without getting the original from me first.

Separate issue entirely to whether you
own copyright to anything at all legally.

And the polytech doesnt need what you have in your
sweaty little paws to churn out more copys the same
way they made your original, with your name on them too.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote

But my certificate - I can do what I like with it - I can do anything I
please with it, and I do not need anyone else's permission to do so.

Correct. Just like with say a paperback you have bought.

I cannot take that paperback and put
a new cover on it and sell it for money.

Wrong again.

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put
it in a new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.

Correct. But thats just because you own it and can wipe your
arse on it if you choose to do that. Thats all its good for.

I can wipe my arse on it too if you are silly
enough to present it when applying for a job too.

Don't even need the frame!

Cannot do that with your paperback

Wrong. As always. You can do anything you like with the paperback
too. The only thing you cant do is make copys of it, because you dont
have the permission of the copyright holder to do that.

- I do not have the right to copy the paperback -
that right is usually expressly denied by the publisher.

Irrelevant. You dont have that right anyway.

You have the right to copy what I have the copyright to
in these posts when quoting what I have written, because
you have the implied permission to quote what I have said
because I have chosen to post it in a public forum.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Jason M" <jmamfjd@very.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:41:31 +1100, "Phil Allison"
philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote:


"Lennier" = autistic.

So what?

** You must be one too - along with nearly all the other Hotmailers.

Autism is the fucwkit's mental disease.

So are many of the people reading this group.

** All the Kiwis at least.



............ Phil

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:27:55 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

Who owns the copyright on a newspaper article?

Normally the newspaper that publishes it.

Neither has any relevance what so ever to whether he has copyright
of the particular certificate with his name on. He doesnt. Because he
was never involved in creating it. He just has his name on it.

But the Publisher didn't write the article. The Article even has the
Journalist's name in the byline.

And yet the copyright to the article is owned by the Publisher.

I paid for the information represented by that certificate. I possess the
right to copy that certificate any way I please..

That is indeed the copyright.


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Richard Hector]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:28:21 +1300, Lennier wrote:

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

I CAN legally copy my certificate - I own the right to copy my certificate
any way I please.

Ipso facto I own the copyright.

You can legally copy the Linux kernel, or any other GPL software. That in
no way means you own the copyright.

Though from past evidence, I don't expect you to understand this either ...

Richard

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:54:32 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

- that right was assigned to me when I was given the
certificate upon completion of the course that I had paid for;

Wrong again. You certainly paid for the course and that certificate
that goes with passing the course, but that is NOT copyright.

Just like you pay for a paperback or CD when you buy
it and you do NOT get any copyright what so ever.

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

I CAN legally copy my certificate - I own the right to copy my certificate
any way I please.

Ipso facto I own the copyright.


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:57:59 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

Duh - I own the RIGHT to COPY my certificate in any way I choose.

And that is JUST permission from the actual holder of that copyright
to do that. Just like you have an implied permission from me as the
copyright owner of what I post in here, to quote what I have posted,
because I chose to post what I have posted in here.

You keep repeating yourself. Can't you either open your eyes or say
something new?


Lennier

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unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[T.N.O. - Dave.net.nz]

Lennier wrote:

You cannot legally copy a CD nor a paperback.

That statement is a little too broad...
It depends on the conditions of the copyright.

--
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Play Hangman
Register, and play Space Invaders or Pacman.

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:01:43 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

It's not a "copy"

Wrong again. Everyone who passed that course got
a copy of the certificate with their name on it, stupid.

No - they got a unique certificate. They are all numbered - none other
exists with the same number.


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:23:11 +1300, harry wrote:

You keep claiming that you own the copyright and you are wrong.
Wrong wrong wrong.

LOL - you don't know nothing!


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:27:13 +1300, harry wrote:

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone have the right to
reproduce my certificate. I alone have the RIGHT to COPY it - the
copy-right.

No, you just have permission to copy it, you do not have the copyright.
Copyright has a formal definition, you don't get to decide.
The polytech can make another one if they want to

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

When William Byrd received the right to produce copies of various
manuscripts of other composers he received just exactly that - the
copyright.


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:29:27 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

However, with respect to my certificate, I alone
have the right to reproduce my certificate.

Wrong. As always. The polytech has that right too. And so has an
employer or potential employer who you choose to send it to too.

Bullshit!

I alone have access to my certificate. For an employer to make a copy of
my certificate I would have to hand it my certificate, along with the
permission to make a copy.


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Phil Allison]

"Lennier"

Funny that, but the right to copy a document is a copyright.

** Wrong !!!!

Printers do not own any copyright - but have the right to make copies
granted to them by an owner or licensee.



***** Get that autism seen to Lennier - your whole life is fucked
otherwise *****





........... Phil

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:29:27 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

- and have never claimed such ownership.

You have however pig ignorantly claimed to own the
copyright to that particular certificate with your name on it.

You dont, legally.

I DO!

You were not a party to the agreement between me and the Polytechnic.


Lennier

--
The above reply is in response to a person who can be only described as a
knuckle-dragger.

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:30:31 +1300, harry wrote:

However, I CAN take my certificate and make a copy of it and put it
in a new frame and sell that framed copy for any price I choose.


You have no permission from the copyright holder to do so unless it is
explicitly given because what you are suggesting exceeds your fair use
rights under the copyright act.

*I* possess the copyright to my certificate..

I can do what I like with it!


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:42:59 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

You didnt create it at all. You just have your name on it.

I didn't have to "create" the certificate - the copyright to my
certificate was assigned to me at the same time I received my certificate.


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Lennier]

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:43:19 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

And the polytech doesnt need what you have in your
sweaty little paws to churn out more copys the same
way they made your original, with your name on them too.

The Polytechnic cannot make a copy unless it receives the original back.

It could, however, make another original as a replacement.


Lennier

--
Newsman - on CD piracy: "Entertainment meets Geekery meets Vengeance. It's
unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."