Electrical certification for imported goods

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

- I own the copyright to the certificate as a complete document.

You aint the author or creator of it.

Didn't say I was!

If you aint, you aint the copyright owner.

Didn't say I owned any of the LOGOs or DESIGNs
that were used to make the certificate.

DID say I OWN the certificate.

And that is an entirely separate issue to owning the copyright.

ALL you have is an implied license to copy
it from the copyright owner, who aint you.

I own the right to copy it however I choose.

You dont OWN anything except the particular certificate with your name on it.

That right is MINE!

Fraid not.

I own the copyright to my certificate.

Nope, all you own is the particular certificate with your name on it.

*I* can assign that right to whomsoever I choose.

Nope, you have no copyright to assign to anyone because
you are not the author or designer of that certificate.

 

[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:29:05 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

Not even the Polytechnic has the right to duplicate my certificate.

They do and they can.

Not unless it steals it from my home!

Wrong again. They're legally welcome to produce
the duplicate the same way they made the original.

In that case the Polytechnic is not producing a "duplicate" - rather, it
is producing another original certificate.


Lennier

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[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:44:53 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

You aint the author or creator of it.

Didn't say I was!

If you aint, you aint the copyright owner.

No - just means I wasn't the ORIGINAL copyright owner.


Lennier

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[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:44:53 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

I own the copyright to my certificate.

Nope, all you own is the particular certificate with your name on it.

And that original certificate with my name on it is the only certificate
that I have been talking about.

What other certificate could I possibly have been talking about?


Lennier

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[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:44:53 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

*I* can assign that right to whomsoever I choose.

Nope, you have no copyright to assign to anyone because
you are not the author or designer of that certificate.

<yawn>

Merely because I wasn't the author or the designer of my certificate does
not mean that I have not been granted the full ownership of my certificate
- including the right to copy it - the copyRIGHT.

This is self-evident.


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:39:55 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

It is not a copy it is the original!

Nope, its one copy of countless issued to every
student which just happens to have your name on it.

There are not "countless" issued with my name on them. I own the only
certificate that has been issued by that Polytechnic with my name on it.

There is ONE only in existence - and I possess it. From that original
certificate I only can produce copies - not least being because I am the
only person with access to that certificate.


Lennier

--
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unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:39:55 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

I own the only one of those certificates with my name on it.

Yes but you do not own the copyright, because you arent the author or
the designer.

Merely because I am not the author or the designer does not mean that I
was not assigned the copyright to my certificate.

If I was not assigned the copyright then I would not be able to make
copies - would not even be able legally to photocopy it.


Lennier

--
"When dealing with the Religious Right one should remember that 'truth'
is not a part of the rules of their game."

 

[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:42:26 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

I own the RIGHT to COPY it - AKA the copyright.

Mindlessly superifical legally.

It's the reality - it's what those words mean. It's the intent of
"copyright".


Lennier

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[Phil Allison]

"Lennier"


** Give up - Lennier.

You are endlessly repeating the same fallacy.

You are one stupid little kiwi autistic.

Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.......




.......... Phil

 

[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:44:14 +1100, Rod Speed wrote:

If this were not so then I would not legally be able to duplicate it.

Crap. There is an implied permission to copy the certificate,

If that is not a copyright then what is?

Its actually an implied license/permission from the actual copyright owner,
just like you have when quoting material from my posts in your replys.

Bullshit!

It is *my* certificate to do what I like with. What I cannot do, and what
I do not own are the logos and various images that were used to construct
my certificate. I cannot use those in some other document for some other
purpose.

But my certificate - I can do what I like with it - I can do anything I
please with it, and I do not need anyone else's permission to do so.


Lennier

--
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unstoppable. A match made in Heaven."

 

[Lennier]

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:46:02 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:

Baaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.......

Something wrong with your keyboard?


Lennier

--
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[Ken Taylor]

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Don't have to be registered to work on modern PCs



Yes you DO as ou are in contact with 240v..

Umm no you don't.
I built my computer with no electrical cert.

Did it and are permitted to do it are two different things. However,

using the same logic of needing a permit because 240V is involved (and let's
face it, you shouldn't be able to come into contact with the mains in a
modern PC), would I need a permit to open up a vacuum cleaner and change the
bag?

Ken

 

[Rod Speed]

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Don't have to be registered to work on modern PCs



Yes you DO as ou are in contact with 240v..

Umm no you don't.
I built my computer with no electrical cert.

Did it and are permitted to do it are two different things. However,
using the same logic of needing a permit because 240V is involved (and let's
face it, you shouldn't be able to come into contact with the mains in a
modern PC), would I need a permit to open up a vacuum cleaner and change the
bag?

Corse you do in sheep-raper-land, stupid.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

Not even the Polytechnic has the right to duplicate my certificate.

They do and they can.

Not unless it steals it from my home!

Wrong again. They're legally welcome to produce
the duplicate the same way they made the original.

In that case the Polytechnic is not producing a "duplicate"

Wrong. If its identical to the original, its a duplicate.

- rather, it is producing another original certificate.

Thats what the word copy means, not the word duplicate.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

You aint the author or creator of it.

Didn't say I was!

If you aint, you aint the copyright owner.

No - just means I wasn't the ORIGINAL copyright owner.

You aint the author/designer. You have NO copyright legally.

Read the legislation.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

I own the copyright to my certificate.

Nope, all you own is the particular certificate with your name on it.

And that original certificate with my name on it is
the only certificate that I have been talking about.

Duh. What matters is that ALL you own is that particular certificate.

You do NOT own the COPYRIGHT at all, because you aint
the author or designer or creator of that particular certificate.
You are just the owner of it. A different matter entirely.

> What other certificate could I possibly have been talking about?

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

*I* can assign that right to whomsoever I choose.

Nope, you have no copyright to assign to anyone because
you are not the author or designer of that certificate.

yawn

Stop dozing off, child or go to your room.

Merely because I wasn't the author or the designer of my certificate does
not mean that I have not been granted the full ownership of my certificate

Correct.

- including the right to copy it - the copyRIGHT.

Thats not what the word copyright means in the copyright act.

Read the legislation. And weep.

This is self-evident.

Fraid not.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

It is not a copy it is the original!

Nope, its one copy of countless issued to every
student which just happens to have your name on it.

There are not "countless" issued with my name on them.

Never said there was. I clearly said that 'its one
copy ... which just happens to have your name on it'

I own the only certificate that has been issued
by that Polytechnic with my name on it.

Correct. But you do NOT own the copyright to that particular copy.

There is ONE only in existence - and I possess it.

Completely irrelevant to who owns the copyright to it.

From that original certificate I only can produce copies

Wrong again.

- not least being because I am the only
person with access to that certificate.

Wrong again. The polytech can churn out duplicates if they want, legally.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

I own the only one of those certificates with my name on it.

Yes but you do not own the copyright,
because you arent the author or the designer.

Merely because I am not the author or the designer does not
mean that I was not assigned the copyright to my certificate.

Fraid so. Read the legislation. And weep.

If I was not assigned the copyright then I would not be able to
make copies - would not even be able legally to photocopy it.

Wrong again. You have the implied permission of the actual
copyright owner to do that. Just like you have implied permission
from me to quote what I am the copyright owner of, my text
in this post, because I have posted it in a public forum.

 

[Rod Speed]

Lennier <notanyspam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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Rod Speed wrote

I own the RIGHT to COPY it - AKA the copyright.

Mindlessly superifical legally.

It's the reality

Wrong. Its just your silly idea.

- it's what those words mean.

Wrong. Read the legislation where that is defined. And weep.

It's the intent of "copyright".

Wrong. Read the legislation where that is defined. And weep.