Electric Vehicles Are Great for Long Trips

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 3:11 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 7/10/19 1:46 AM, Rick C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:13:04 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

the 0-30 time is about 2.2 seconds which is where it's the most fun, off
the line, would like to see a Prius do 0-30 in 2.2 seconds

How about 0-55 in that same time?  Get a Tesla.  Heck, even a slow
Tesla will do much better than that.


The LR RWD Model 3 0-60 looks to be about 5 seconds that's not
ridiculously fast for a performance sedan at the 40k price point, there
are many much cheaper cars you could buy that can do that if raw speed
were your only metric e.g. a manual V6 Camaro for 30. Fuel economy won't
be nearly as good, obv.

The 60k Model 3 Performance LR AWD is definitely ridiculously fast for a
car in its class.

Spend more $$$ car go faster that is more or less the equation

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 1:46 AM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:13:04 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

the 0-30 time is about 2.2 seconds which is where it's the most fun, off
the line, would like to see a Prius do 0-30 in 2.2 seconds

How about 0-55 in that same time? Get a Tesla. Heck, even a slow Tesla will do much better than that.

Professional auto reviewers tend to rate cars as to what (subjective)
value for the money they provide vs. vehicles at their same price
point/class.

The Model X as I recall didn't get stellar reviews across the board not
because it wasn't a great performing or technologically advanced vehicle
but because some reviewers believed it didn't provide particularly good
value for the price.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:9JeVE.34215$Yu7.5058@fx41.iad:

> Cincinnati...well..I can understand...

Is that some kind of retarded "polish joke" crack?

What fucktard city are you from, boy?

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 11:20 PM, Rick C wrote:

I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.

We'll remember that next time you gush about your Audi.

Only downside to driving a non-Tesla in the US is the ICE drivers will
tell you EVs suck and the Tesla drivers will tell you _your_ EV sucks.

When other drivers want to ask the same passive-aggressive questions
"say, is that a real electric car?" I've taken to just pretending I
don't speak English when/telling them I'm an illegal immigrant "Me
illegal immigrant me here take your job, pendejo"

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 2:45 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:9JeVE.34215$Yu7.5058@fx41.iad:

Cincinnati...well..I can understand...

Is that some kind of retarded "polish joke" crack?

What fucktard city are you from, boy?

Ohio women are, y'know, in the main, OK I think. Not ugly. Not stunning.
they're alright.

Unfortunately a lot of women in the midwest and south tend to be quite
overweight, nowadays. It was probably different 35 years ago I wouldn't
know.

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 22:50:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 10:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:47:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.




I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

We drive up into the Sierras, and we know people with young kids who
like to go up there too. It's about 190 miles, 3 hours at best, 6 or
more in a blizzard. I can work up there, as can some friends.

A full tank of gas is reassuring, working up towards 7200 feet when
it's snowing.


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picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
newsroVE.140184$xm4.48243@fx45.iad:

On 7/10/19 2:45 AM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:9JeVE.34215$Yu7.5058@fx41.iad:

Cincinnati...well..I can understand...

Is that some kind of retarded "polish joke" crack?

What fucktard city are you from, boy?


Ohio women are, y'know, in the main, OK I think. Not ugly. Not
stunning. they're alright.

She was from Stamford and never lived in Ohio.

You must have reading issues.

Unfortunately a lot of women in the midwest and south tend to be
quite overweight, nowadays.

It spans the entire nation, ya dope.

> It was probably different 35 years ago

When women were kowed around by men and their desire to look like a
Hollywood starlett?

I wouldn't know.

Probably not.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/10/19 7:11 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:43:36 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

I saw cool things like the Delaware Water Gap.

I was looking at the Harpers Ferry gap along the Potomac one day and realize the river could not have cut it's way through the ridge unless the ridge rose up through the river. So the river was there first and as the ridge rose it cut the gap like a band saw.

I looked it up and that is what the geologist say in not so clear terms. Same for the Delaware gap.

That's what 'water gap' means to a geologist, IIRC. John McPhee's books
about geology are highly recommended. My favourites of his are "Basin
and Range" and "Irons In The Fire" (which is mostly about ranching and
cattle rustling in Nevada).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:43:36 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence..org wrote:

I saw cool things like the Delaware Water Gap.

I was looking at the Harpers Ferry gap along the Potomac one day and realize the river could not have cut it's way through the ridge unless the ridge rose up through the river. So the river was there first and as the ridge rose it cut the gap like a band saw.

I looked it up and that is what the geologist say in not so clear terms. Same for the Delaware gap.

--

Rick C.

-+- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 22:50:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 10:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:47:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.




I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

When we were in that age group, we drove from NY/VT to IL twice a year
to visit the family. We did it for the 30+ years while our parents
were living.

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 10:25:40 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 22:50:05 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 10:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:47:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.




I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

When we were in that age group, we drove from NY/VT to IL twice a year
to visit the family. We did it for the 30+ years while our parents
were living.

He is just being obstinate. On one hand he argues that his HV is great because he can use gasoline on long trips. Then when arguing against EVs, in particular, Teslas, he tries to argue that people don't take longer trips.

--

Rick C.

-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:2e3c69ec-6414-4904-b2b4-06b907b37806@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 2:43:36 AM UTC-4,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

I saw cool things like the Delaware Water Gap.

I was looking at the Harpers Ferry gap along the Potomac one day
and realize the river could not have cut it's way through the
ridge unless the ridge rose up through the river. So the river
was there first and as the ridge rose it cut the gap like a band
saw.

I looked it up and that is what the geologist say in not so clear
terms. Same for the Delaware gap.

The Delaware Water Gap was cut by water.

Now look at the Grand Tetons.

A plate rose up a to a 6500 foot prominence at the base of which is
a 900 foot deep lake (wow). And Jackson Hole.

I have seen them up close. Probably would be a wild climb. Pretty
shear, but not done by water.

 

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:qg5rj0$6j5$1@dont-email.me:

That's what 'water gap' means to a geologist, IIRC. John McPhee's
books about geology are highly recommended. My favourites of
his are "Basin and Range" and "Irons In The Fire" (which is mostly
about ranching and cattle rustling in Nevada).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Interesting reading tastes.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 10:37 PM, Rick C wrote:

I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

When we were in that age group, we drove from NY/VT to IL twice a year
to visit the family. We did it for the 30+ years while our parents
were living.

He is just being obstinate. On one hand he argues that his HV is great because he can use gasoline on long trips. Then when arguing against EVs, in particular, Teslas, he tries to argue that people don't take longer trips.

Point was that I don't use it for trips further afield than 50 miles
regularly enough to make paying the higher price tag that cars with 250
mile+ long range batteries cost worth the premium.

the price difference was 26k vs 35k-40k can buy a lotta gas for $9000. I
definitely haven't come close to putting $9000 worth of gas into it.
more like $150 of gas a year.

The first generation Nissan Leaf started with a range of about 80 miles,
topped out at a range of 110 miles they didn't sell several hundred
thousand of these cars because the consumer found that wholly inadequate.

A sporty pure EV sedan/runabout, maybe even a lightweight two-seater,
that had a 100 mile range and fast charging that I don't have to pay
luxury-car price for would be my ideal. Nobody makes that car, yet.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 10:37 PM, Rick C wrote:

I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

When we were in that age group, we drove from NY/VT to IL twice a year
to visit the family. We did it for the 30+ years while our parents
were living.

He is just being obstinate. On one hand he argues that his HV is great because he can use gasoline on long trips. Then when arguing against EVs, in particular, Teslas, he tries to argue that people don't take longer trips.

Try to understand that most working people my age, particularly those
with families who are single-income or where one parent only works part
time, cannot afford to pay 35-40k outright for a new car.

Cannot afford it. Do not have budget. Some folks are paying off huge
student loan debts, still. Does not make financial sense to get it as it
will not provide any significant operating cost savings over a less
costly Prius or some other hybrid or plug-in hybrid vehicle that costs
near 10k less.

It's not a question of desire if anyone were to just hand us a Model 3
we'd surely take it.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 1:16 PM, John Larkin wrote:

I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

We drive up into the Sierras, and we know people with young kids who
like to go up there too. It's about 190 miles, 3 hours at best, 6 or
more in a blizzard. I can work up there, as can some friends.

A full tank of gas is reassuring, working up towards 7200 feet when
it's snowing.

Yeah San Fran tech people do all sorts of fun stuff with their free time
I'm sure.

For the rest of us there are a lot of activities that fall into the
category of "financially irresponsible" like spending money on
luxury-priced electric vehicles, say. Driving into the mountains in
luxury vehicles with kids in blizzards. and so forth.

Part of the reason Donald Trump was elected was so many of the
alternative candidates seemed...

out
of
touch

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

torsdag den 11. juli 2019 kl. 04.50.38 UTC+2 skrev bitrex:

On 7/10/19 10:37 PM, Rick C wrote:

I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

When we were in that age group, we drove from NY/VT to IL twice a year
to visit the family. We did it for the 30+ years while our parents
were living.

He is just being obstinate. On one hand he argues that his HV is great because he can use gasoline on long trips. Then when arguing against EVs, in particular, Teslas, he tries to argue that people don't take longer trips.


Point was that I don't use it for trips further afield than 50 miles
regularly enough to make paying the higher price tag that cars with 250
mile+ long range batteries cost worth the premium.

the price difference was 26k vs 35k-40k can buy a lotta gas for $9000. I
definitely haven't come close to putting $9000 worth of gas into it.
more like $150 of gas a year.

The first generation Nissan Leaf started with a range of about 80 miles,
topped out at a range of 110 miles they didn't sell several hundred
thousand of these cars because the consumer found that wholly inadequate.

A sporty pure EV sedan/runabout, maybe even a lightweight two-seater,
that had a 100 mile range and fast charging that I don't have to pay
luxury-car price for would be my ideal. Nobody makes that car, yet.

that what Tesla started with:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster_(2008)

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:TNxVE.151930$xm4.39525
@fx45.iad:

like spending money on
luxury-priced electric vehicles,

You really do not understand. It is technology priced, not 'luxury
priced'.

And its cost amortizes itself out over time. But you apparently lack
knowledge of that premise as well.

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 7/10/19 10:38 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
news:qg5rj0$6j5$1@dont-email.me:

That's what 'water gap' means to a geologist, IIRC. John McPhee's
books about geology are highly recommended. My favourites of
his are "Basin and Range" and "Irons In The Fire" (which is mostly
about ranching and cattle rustling in Nevada).

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

Interesting reading tastes.

McPhee is such a good writer he could make almost anything compelling.
However, those two are also really interesting as stories.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[John Larkin]

On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 23:11:46 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/10/19 1:16 PM, John Larkin wrote:

I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

We drive up into the Sierras, and we know people with young kids who
like to go up there too. It's about 190 miles, 3 hours at best, 6 or
more in a blizzard. I can work up there, as can some friends.

A full tank of gas is reassuring, working up towards 7200 feet when
it's snowing.



Yeah San Fran tech people do all sorts of fun stuff with their free time
I'm sure.

People all over the world enjoy their leisure time.

For the rest of us there are a lot of activities that fall into the
category of "financially irresponsible" like spending money on
luxury-priced electric vehicles, say. Driving into the mountains in
luxury vehicles with kids in blizzards. and so forth.

My big objection to hauling brats up into the Sierras is that our
internet rate drops to a crawl as all those kids go online to look at
movies and play games. 4th of July weekend was horrible.

It gets so bad that the only things left to do are reading and hiking
and cooking etc.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics