Electric Vehicles Are Great for Long Trips

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
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For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a
series hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long
trip only ?

lol you are so going to get it

Yeah, I can hear SloTard bellering like an elephant now.

I think that efficient small, portable gas turbines might be the
'camping gear' carry along of the future. Comparatively superior
'small footprint' aspect.

It could...

Heat a grill for cooking.

Produce electrical power for those unable to separate themselves
from their gadgetry.

Heat your tent space in colder weather.

Hell, it could run a heat pump and cool your tent space in hot
weather.

And , ultimatrley, it could slow charge your EV battery pack.
Soon, well have Electric quad runners for 'campers'.

A hell of lot easier wading through the needles on a quad than any
vehicle. A Chevy Luv barely fits. Anything else is too big.

<https://www.nps.gov/cany/planyourvisit/needles.htm>

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 6:43 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:10:22 PM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

Remember you don't need the full power used by the car. The battery will run a lot slower if you use a 10 kW set and save a bunch of weight. I think I'd give it it's own trailer though.

Assuming 5 km/kWh battery consumption, a 10 kW APU would allow 50 km/h
forever, for 100 km/h 20 kW. Not very useful for German Autobahns with
200-250 km/h, except for searching for a charging station

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marathon-Magna-Plus-Generator-10kw-Lombardini-Diesel-4-cyl-on-trailer-284-hrs/233246827231

A trailer would make the consumption worse.

Also it's assuming that the vehicles even let the charge controller
engage when the vehicle isn't in park, it's probably locked-out in the
firmware or hardware interlocked somehow. They don't want anyone to have
any fun...

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 10:13 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 7/9/19 6:43 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:10:22 PM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com
wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be
impediments to driving cross country.  Very few people won't want
to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom.  Here is a perfect
example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

Remember you don't need the full power used by the car.  The battery
will run a lot slower if you use a 10 kW set and save a bunch of
weight.  I think I'd give it it's own trailer though.

Assuming 5 km/kWh battery consumption, a 10 kW APU would allow 50 km/h
forever, for 100 km/h 20 kW. Not very useful for German Autobahns with
200-250 km/h, except for searching for a charging station
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marathon-Magna-Plus-Generator-10kw-Lombardini-Diesel-4-cyl-on-trailer-284-hrs/233246827231


A trailer would make the consumption worse.


Also it's assuming that the vehicles even let the charge controller
engage when the vehicle isn't in park, it's probably locked-out in the
firmware or hardware interlocked somehow. They don't want anyone to have
any fun...

Well, no fun allowed with your powertrain warranty still valid, anyway.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:gMbVE.31720$Kf5.27979@fx42.iad:

> Volt, not Bolt, that's a different car...

No... That is a dude!

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 10:17 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:gMbVE.31720$Kf5.27979@fx42.iad:

Volt, not Bolt, that's a different car...

No... That is a dude!

Dude....where's my car?

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 10:45 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:47:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.

I don't really know anyone in the 30-early 40s demographic that takes
long road trips regularly, we're mostly too busy with families, wives
and/or girlfriends, toddlers and/or young children, elderly parents,
working 40-60 hours a week, etc.

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:U3cVE.83852$KQ6.3671@fx47.iad:

On 7/9/19 10:17 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:gMbVE.31720$Kf5.27979@fx42.iad:

Volt, not Bolt, that's a different car...

No... That is a dude!


Dude....where's my car?

Mayhem took it as bBolt said...

WHAT!!!

W H A T ! ! !

W W H H A A T T !!!!!!

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:47:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

lunatic fringe electronics

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:yncVE.140075$xm4.114363
@fx45.iad:

> or girlfriends,

I drove my '70 Monte Carlo from Cincinnati to Hackensack about 6 times
a year to see mine. 645 miles one way... about eight hrs with me doing
it.

I made the normally 17mpg car get over 24 mpg on the run by cresting
the hills in PA (they call 'em mountains for some reason)at 90MPH, and
turning off the car and coasting down and most of the way up the next
hill before I fired it back up again (at early hours of the morn).

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 10:46:04 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:47:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

And sometimes you just want to get there.

We'll remember that next time you gush about your Audi.

--

Rick C.

++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
news:1akaietbcjq8n31boppk5g92bqdd5nqg5k@4ax.com:

And sometimes you just want to get there.

I saw your post about being pressed back in the seat, and how much
you liked it.

You are a hypocrite. Most EVs have faster acceleration.

You are just biased against certain Usenet newsgroup posters.

Plenty of other reasons your horse blinders are adjusted to a thin
slit as well.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 1:00 AM, bitrex wrote:

Basically the Volt is a plug in hybrid with an oversized battery pack.
The wheels are driven by the planet carrier - just like the Prius. The
electric motor drives the ring gear - just like the Prius. The ICE
drives the sun gear and a motor/generator - just like the Prius. GM
juggled around the size of the electric motor and ICE to suit their
goals. That's fine but when you strip off the bureaucratic balloney
it's a plug in Prius or a Ford Fusion Energi.

the hybrid drivetrain isn't really like the Prius at all, it's a series
hybrid as opposed to a parallel hybrid for one thing.

You can take it on electric power alone up to the electronically limited
top speed of 101 mph on the battery alone the engine never turns on.

https://gm-volt.com/2015/02/20/gen-2-volt-transmission-operating-modes-explained/



It's also not a slush-box like the Prius the 0-60 is low 7 seconds not
10-11 seconds.

the 0-30 time is about 2.2 seconds which is where it's the most fun, off
the line, would like to see a Prius do 0-30 in 2.2 seconds

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 12:51 AM, stratus46 wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 2:20:16 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:
On 7/9/19 5:10 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

lol you are so going to get it

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?


they did that car. It was called the Chevy Volt it weighs about 2750
lbs. (too heavy to ever be "sporty".)

the "gen set" is the rather well-designed 1.5L naturally aspirated GM
Small Gas Engine somewhat modified from the usual Chevy Cruze et. al.
compact car applications to have a slightly longer stroke and a somewhat
higher compression ratio at 12:1 instead of ~10:1

Basically the Volt is a plug in hybrid with an oversized battery pack. The wheels are driven by the planet carrier - just like the Prius. The electric motor drives the ring gear - just like the Prius. The ICE drives the sun gear and a motor/generator - just like the Prius. GM juggled around the size of the electric motor and ICE to suit their goals. That's fine but when you strip off the bureaucratic balloney it's a plug in Prius or a Ford Fusion Energi.

the hybrid drivetrain isn't really like the Prius at all, it's a series
hybrid as opposed to a parallel hybrid for one thing.

You can take it on electric power alone up to the electronically limited
top speed of 101 mph on the battery alone the engine never turns on.

<https://gm-volt.com/2015/02/20/gen-2-volt-transmission-operating-modes-explained/>


It's also not a slush-box like the Prius the 0-60 is low 7 seconds not
10-11 seconds.

As for the Tesla, when I take a trip, I want to stop when _I_ want to stop, not 'is there a supercharger here ?'. Electric motors are great. Batteries not so much.

G²

 

[stratus46]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 2:20:16 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:

On 7/9/19 5:10 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

lol you are so going to get it

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?


they did that car. It was called the Chevy Volt it weighs about 2750
lbs. (too heavy to ever be "sporty".)

the "gen set" is the rather well-designed 1.5L naturally aspirated GM
Small Gas Engine somewhat modified from the usual Chevy Cruze et. al.
compact car applications to have a slightly longer stroke and a somewhat
higher compression ratio at 12:1 instead of ~10:1

Basically the Volt is a plug in hybrid with an oversized battery pack. The wheels are driven by the planet carrier - just like the Prius. The electric motor drives the ring gear - just like the Prius. The ICE drives the sun gear and a motor/generator - just like the Prius. GM juggled around the size of the electric motor and ICE to suit their goals. That's fine but when you strip off the bureaucratic balloney it's a plug in Prius or a Ford Fusion Energi.

As for the Tesla, when I take a trip, I want to stop when _I_ want to stop, not 'is there a supercharger here ?'. Electric motors are great. Batteries not so much.

G²

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 12:51:08 AM UTC-4, stratus46 wrote:

As for the Tesla, when I take a trip, I want to stop when _I_ want to stop, not 'is there a supercharger here ?'. Electric motors are great. Batteries not so much.

Yes, I agree. There are not enough trip chargers yet to make trips "effortless". When I took my truck between Tennessee and Virginia the mid point was Wytheville which was not a bad spot considering the other options. But my Tesla doesn't have enough range to reach there in other than good conditions. So sometimes I have to stop at a charger earlier and then skip Wytheville stopping in Bristol. Bristol has an entire shopping area within walking distance including a much nicer restaurant, so it works out for the better anyway.

Even if they added other locations along Rt 81, which I hear they are doing, there just isn't much in the way of good places to eat on this stretch, so Bristol is as good as it gets. In my truck I put up with the crappy food at Wytheville so I could make just one stop (unless I needed a bathroom break). In the model X (the worst range of any Teslas) I have to stop twice, one of them the best place to eat along the route. In other words, in the real world, it's not really that big a deal.

That was the whole point of the video. As time passes, there will be many more EV chargers and many businesses will spring up around them to accommodate the patrons.

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 1:29 AM, bitrex wrote:

On 7/9/19 10:58 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:yncVE.140075$xm4.114363
@fx45.iad:

or girlfriends,

  I drove my '70 Monte Carlo from Cincinnati to Hackensack about 6 times
a year to see mine. 645 miles one way...  about eight hrs with me doing
it.

   I made the normally 17mpg car get over 24 mpg on the run by cresting
the hills in PA (they call 'em mountains for some reason)at 90MPH, and
turning off the car and coasting down and most of the way up the next
hill before I fired it back up again (at early hours of the morn).


New England has probably the most available single young women of any
area of the country, outside NYC or Los Angeles, say - it would have to
be a pretty special lady I would drive more than 50 miles to see regularly.

Cincinnati...well..I can understand...

Could be worse. Could be Utah. 50% chance she's heard of what sex is.
50% chance you have to marry her first if she has.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 10:58 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:yncVE.140075$xm4.114363
@fx45.iad:

or girlfriends,

I drove my '70 Monte Carlo from Cincinnati to Hackensack about 6 times
a year to see mine. 645 miles one way... about eight hrs with me doing
it.

I made the normally 17mpg car get over 24 mpg on the run by cresting
the hills in PA (they call 'em mountains for some reason)at 90MPH, and
turning off the car and coasting down and most of the way up the next
hill before I fired it back up again (at early hours of the morn).

New England has probably the most available single young women of any
area of the country, outside NYC or Los Angeles, say - it would have to
be a pretty special lady I would drive more than 50 miles to see regularly.

Cincinnati...well..I can understand...

 

[Rick C]

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:13:04 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

the 0-30 time is about 2.2 seconds which is where it's the most fun, off
the line, would like to see a Prius do 0-30 in 2.2 seconds

How about 0-55 in that same time? Get a Tesla. Heck, even a slow Tesla will do much better than that.

--

Rick C.

--+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:9JeVE.34215$Yu7.5058@fx41.iad:

On 7/9/19 10:58 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in news:yncVE.140075$xm4.114363
@fx45.iad:

or girlfriends,

I drove my '70 Monte Carlo from Cincinnati to Hackensack about
6 times
a year to see mine. 645 miles one way... about eight hrs with me
doing it.

I made the normally 17mpg car get over 24 mpg on the run by
cresting
the hills in PA (they call 'em mountains for some reason)at
90MPH, and turning off the car and coasting down and most of the
way up the next hill before I fired it back up again (at early
hours of the morn).


New England has probably the most available single young women of
any area of the country, outside NYC or Los Angeles, say - it
would have to be a pretty special lady I would drive more than 50
miles to see regularly.

Cincinnati...well..I can understand...

I lived in NJ and moved back to Cinti. in '87 to care for my mom,
since my aunt and cousin were just murdered.

So, it was a matter of needing to be with her, but no longer living
there.

Driving is great.

I saw 'wondrous' 'American' things like NJ State police (major PIG
mentality assholes every one) that pull you over due to social stigma
(long hair) then force you to look out off the side of the road while
he and an unmarked, plainclothes asshole who stopped later search
your car. Then force you to sign a permission to search form under
threat of a three day arrest and more thorough and damaging search.

I saw cool things like the Delaware Water Gap.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/10/19 1:46 AM, Rick C wrote:

On Wednesday, July 10, 2019 at 1:13:04 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

the 0-30 time is about 2.2 seconds which is where it's the most fun, off
the line, would like to see a Prius do 0-30 in 2.2 seconds

How about 0-55 in that same time? Get a Tesla. Heck, even a slow Tesla will do much better than that.

The LR RWD Model 3 0-60 looks to be about 5 seconds that's not
ridiculously fast for a performance sedan at the 40k price point, there
are many much cheaper cars you could buy that can do that if raw speed
were your only metric e.g. a manual V6 Camaro for 30. Fuel economy won't
be nearly as good, obv.

The 60k Model 3 Performance LR AWD is definitely ridiculously fast for a
car in its class.