Electric Vehicles Are Great for Long Trips

[Rick C]

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

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[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally. The Amtrak Acela between the
outskirts of Boston and Providence takes 19 minutes and $40 one-way
worth every penny IMO

Autopilot would make road tripping somewhat more pleasant for sure, I
guess there are people who look forward to doing ~40 hours of manual
driving and sleeping over in truck-stop Motel 6es in Nebraska but I'm
definitely not the type at this point in my life. even if the Motel 6
has a fast charger.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:18:20 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1

Isn't that the same instant in time you have posted so many times before?

Seems like there are a growing number of Tesla enthusiasts. They added about 95,000 just this past quarter.

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[John Larkin]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1


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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:16:53 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally. The Amtrak Acela between the
outskirts of Boston and Providence takes 19 minutes and $40 one-way
worth every penny IMO

Autopilot would make road tripping somewhat more pleasant for sure, I
guess there are people who look forward to doing ~40 hours of manual
driving and sleeping over in truck-stop Motel 6es in Nebraska but I'm
definitely not the type at this point in my life. even if the Motel 6
has a fast charger.

You are such a trip. You sing the praise of your HV which as it's only alleged advantage is the ability to go long distances without refueling. Then you dis the entire idea of actually driving on long trips. lol

Not sure where you got the 40 hour number. What is that, a cross country trip? Bjorn recently set a record driving s Tesla some 1,800 miles in 24 hours including charging, etc.

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[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 4:07 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 3:16:53 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally. The Amtrak Acela between the
outskirts of Boston and Providence takes 19 minutes and $40 one-way
worth every penny IMO

Autopilot would make road tripping somewhat more pleasant for sure, I
guess there are people who look forward to doing ~40 hours of manual
driving and sleeping over in truck-stop Motel 6es in Nebraska but I'm
definitely not the type at this point in my life. even if the Motel 6
has a fast charger.

You are such a trip. You sing the praise of your HV which as it's only alleged advantage is the ability to go long distances without refueling. Then you dis the entire idea of actually driving on long trips. lol

Volt is the closest thing to the 21st century car that I actually want -
an electric performance sedan or coupe with zippy performance but
doesn't need to be blistering fast, lighter weight than the Volt or
model 3 (they're pushing 3000 lbs, ugh) maybe 100 mile range, fast
charge, and if it does have a range extender a smaller one that weighs
less like a three cylinder or something. And like mid 20s on the price.

Oh and doesn't look really ugly. The Model 3 is not an aggressively
unattractive car in the way a Prius or Nissan Leaf or BMW i3 or...insert
many other electric and hybrid vehicles.

Like a 21st century Miata or MG. It doesn't exist, yet. Maybe someday.
In the mean time I've saved a lot of money on gas regardless...

Not sure where you got the 40 hour number. What is that, a cross country trip? Bjorn recently set a record driving s Tesla some 1,800 miles in 24 hours including charging, etc.

Were we talking cross country like across the country or cross-country
like cross-country skiing

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 5:20 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 7/9/19 5:10 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be
impediments to driving cross country.  Very few people won't want to
stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom.  Here is a perfect
example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

lol you are so going to get it

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?


they did that car. It was called the Chevy Volt it weighs about 2750
lbs. (too heavy to ever be "sporty".)

the "gen set" is the rather well-designed 1.5L naturally aspirated GM
Small Gas Engine somewhat modified from the usual Chevy Cruze et. al.
compact car applications to have a slightly longer stroke and a somewhat
higher compression ratio at 12:1 instead of ~10:1

Fuel economy on the highway in gas-hybrid mode is about 40-45 mpg
depending on season and conditions (the car is TOO HEAVY)

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 5:10 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

lol you are so going to get it

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

they did that car. It was called the Chevy Volt it weighs about 2750
lbs. (too heavy to ever be "sporty".)

the "gen set" is the rather well-designed 1.5L naturally aspirated GM
Small Gas Engine somewhat modified from the usual Chevy Cruze et. al.
compact car applications to have a slightly longer stroke and a somewhat
higher compression ratio at 12:1 instead of ~10:1

 

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1

A better adventure IMO that I've done several times at this point is
take the train across the US. NYC to San Fran, all the way. It's 3 days
of travel but pretty civilized travel with a compartment, shower and
bed, and three squares a day included.

Would have liked to do it in the heyday back in the 40s or 50s, Amtrak
is OK but pales in comparison to how it must have been on the Santa Fe
or UP.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/


Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1

I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

I just don't much enjoy sitting in traffic in the freezing cold or 90
degree heat depending as it goes here in New England, or doing it for
many many hours at a time. or both.

 

[Lasse Langwadt Christense]

tirsdag den 9. juli 2019 kl. 20.56.03 UTC+2 skrev Rick C:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

https://youtu.be/uC95WACQhCY

 

[John Larkin]

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:

tirsdag den 9. juli 2019 kl. 20.56.03 UTC+2 skrev Rick C:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/



https://youtu.be/uC95WACQhCY

Ones's choice of food depends on what's within walking distance of a
charging station. Imagine eating McDonalds for three days.




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[Rick C]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:10:22 PM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

Remember you don't need the full power used by the car. The battery will run a lot slower if you use a 10 kW set and save a bunch of weight. I think I'd give it it's own trailer though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marathon-Magna-Plus-Generator-10kw-Lombardini-Diesel-4-cyl-on-trailer-284-hrs/233246827231

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[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 6:10 PM, Rick C wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:10:22 PM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

Remember you don't need the full power used by the car. The battery will run a lot slower if you use a 10 kW set and save a bunch of weight. I think I'd give it it's own trailer though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marathon-Magna-Plus-Generator-10kw-Lombardini-Diesel-4-cyl-on-trailer-284-hrs/233246827231

You could tow an ICE Smart car or little Fiat 500 around too and use its
3 cylinder as the generator. Then you'd have an extra car for the
wife/kids to use when you get to your destination, too. best of both
worlds really

 

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
<gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 5:10:22 PM UTC-4, upsid...@downunder.com wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:55:59 -0700 (PDT), Rick C
gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote:

Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/

For extremely long but rare trips, why not convert the EV to a series
hybrid by taking a portable gen-set on-board for the long trip only ?

A 20 kW gen-set should be sufficient and require some fixed additions
to the car, mainly an exhaust pipe. Just connect the built in charger
plug into the gen-set socket.

What would be the weight of such gen-set when implemented with a
diesel, a gas turbine or fuel cell ?

Remember you don't need the full power used by the car. The battery will run a lot slower if you use a 10 kW set and save a bunch of weight. I think I'd give it it's own trailer though.

Assuming 5 km/kWh battery consumption, a 10 kW APU would allow 50 km/h
forever, for 100 km/h 20 kW. Not very useful for German Autobahns with
200-250 km/h, except for searching for a charging station

>https://www.ebay.com/itm/Marathon-Magna-Plus-Generator-10kw-Lombardini-Diesel-4-cyl-on-trailer-284-hrs/233246827231

A trailer would make the consumption worse.

 

[Rick C]

On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 4:46:40 PM UTC-4, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:

tirsdag den 9. juli 2019 kl. 20.56.03 UTC+2 skrev Rick C:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be impediments to driving cross country. Very few people won't want to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom. Here is a perfect example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/



https://youtu.be/uC95WACQhCY

"If you like to stop and eat, it's not going to be all that different"...

"The longest time was 52 minutes and that wasn't because I needed to wait there that long, it was because we were eating"...

"This was my first time doing an electric car road trip"...

"when you come up to traffic you might think, 'uh oh, now I'm going to lose all this range', because I've got my AC going"... "it actually turns out to be really efficient"...

"they make it really easy to road trip without having to think very much"...

He also points out that the time Google gives includes no stops at all, no pee breaks, no food breaks, no resting breaks. How many actually drive that way?

I expect some people will not stop three times or more in one day to eat while on a trip. But then how many will drive 2,000 miles in one trip?

He does state the car used the equivalent of 17 gal of gas for the 2000 mile trip. I also found that he is driving a "standard" range car, not the long range car most will buy for taking trips.

One thing I noticed is the model 3 has a functional center console. Mine has no storage at all.

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[Rheilly Phoull]

On 10/07/2019 4:47 am, bitrex wrote:

On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be
impediments to driving cross country.  Very few people won't want to
stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom.  Here is a perfect
example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/



Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same other
  drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually _wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

I just don't much enjoy sitting in traffic in the freezing cold or 90
degree heat depending as it goes here in New England, or doing it for
many many hours at a time. or both.

The AC not good in the Bolt ??

 

bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:G67VE.5411$X%2.4923@fx32.iad:

A better adventure IMO that I've done several times at this point
is take the train across the US. NYC to San Fran, all the way.
It's 3 days of travel but pretty civilized travel with a
compartment, shower and bed, and three squares a day included.

The "Race Across America" route is better... Mainly because
Washington DC is an orders of magnitude better destination.

That is a bicycle race. Great route though.

San Diego to DC.

 

[bitrex]

On 7/9/19 9:12 PM, Rheilly Phoull wrote:

On 10/07/2019 4:47 am, bitrex wrote:
On 7/9/19 4:13 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 15:16:48 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:55 PM, Rick C wrote:
Many here can't seem to understand that EVs don't need to be
impediments to driving cross country.  Very few people won't want
to stop periodically to eat and use a bathroom.  Here is a perfect
example of what a trip in a Tesla is like.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/tesla-model-3-is-the-best-road-trip-car-10-hours-of-driving-on-autopilot-and-0-hours-waiting-for-charging/



Ah, the road-trip. very old-timey hobby.

I assume most other American drivers are on the road with the same
other
  drivers I see out on the road I don't understand actually
_wanting_ to
do this activity, like, recreationally.

Tesla enthusiasts see this sort of thing as an adventure.

The Tesla charging station in Truckee usually has zero cars charging,
but once in a great while has a bunch of them. I guess they travel in
convoys.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7i8ufcz1mq6fuuo/Tesla_1.jpg?raw=1



I don't dislike driving in the abstract, driving can be really fun,
particularly in an electric-powered car!

I just don't much enjoy sitting in traffic in the freezing cold or 90
degree heat depending as it goes here in New England, or doing it for
many many hours at a time. or both.

The AC not good in the Bolt ??

Volt, not Bolt, that's a different car...anyway the AC unit doesn't seem
any better or worse than other modern sedans. The electric heater in
winter is a much bigger drain on the battery than the AC unit, the AC
draws about 500 watts when on "eco" to maintain temp and about 2kW when
running flat out to cool the cabin down quickly when e.g. it's been
sitting in the sun a while.

In the summer though there always seem to be three times as many cars on
the road at all times, there's much more traffic, and the Boston drivers
seem to be three times as aggressive and pissed-off than usual.

MA is in theory one of the safer states vis a vis traffic fatalities and
injuries statistics to drive in but one of the worst when it comes to
just sheer number of accidents and fender-bender insurance payouts and
general whack-offery.

The old saw is "Massachusetts drivers drive like they want to kill
_you_, Rhode Island drivers drive like they want to kill _themselves_"