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[R. Steve Walz]

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

Democrats, having a meeting to decide why they lost the election,
decided it was because Bush fought a dirty campaign.

My view on that:

(1) I didn't see a single Kerry ad that wasn't an out-and-out lie.

----------------
Lying slightly to defeat evil is a virtuous act!

Who decides what "slightly" means? Shall we now assume
that nothing you say is to be trusted, since (as you tell us
so often) we're so evil, you must be lying "slightly"
whenever you think it's appropriate?
------------------

Hah, hah.
And so you hadn't realized until just now that others can LIE???
If you want to trust anyone, trust the guy who ADMITS it.

Steve, if you truly believe what you wrote, you've
destroyed any credibility you ever had.
------------------------

Any credibility I *DO* have is based on *WHAT* I say,
and NOT the reverse.

Nobody believes anyone else unless they agree with them.

The way we are changed from external influences is from within,
below awareness, beyond our control.

(2) Kerry had a "plan", but never gave any particulars... I guess
expecting, "Elect me, then I'll tell you".

-------------------
It was spelled out clearly, to everyone who actually wanted to know.
You were simply disingenuous about claiming you did, else you'd have
gone to their website.

Hold on, I did read it. It comprised four of the five
points on the Bush site.
------------------------------------

Yeah, except in the opposite direction.

(3) Taxing anyone over $200K gets every small business owner in the
US... not too smart.

----------------------
Crucial to the final equality of workers.
Tax the rich back to the level of the rest of us.
Require any business to pay each person working the SAME per hour.

Dammit Steve, do you have to keep repeating the same old
zero-sum bullshit?
-----------------------

Ain't bullshit. At any moment the economy is finite, and dividing
it unequally with respect to labor hours is criminality. And there
is no magic to growing the economy. If people want more they can
vote to make more and work longer hours for it, ALL of them! Any
scheme based on disparity of income is merely a scam and a theft
scheme.

How about making us ALL the current equivalent of filthy rich?
You know damn well we're capable of it right now.
----------------------------

You know no such thing, we don't have self-replicating industrial
robots yet. This means we are limited in what we can have and
maintain by how much we can work and to what degree our industrial
base amplifies our production.

(4) Never answering any question until 24 hours later, so he could run
a poll.

-----------------------
Lie. Republicans always lie, they seem to think it makes their dicks
larger to tempt fate that way, actually it just makes them stupid
dicks.

So, why do Dems lie?
---------------------------

They don't, except obviously where appropriate and moral to do so.

(5) Why do leftists hate Texans?

---------------------------
It's not merely Texans, it's ANY slack jawed moron stupid enough to
identify with dirt instead of ideas.

(6) Looking at a Red/Blue map, looks like the Blues choose appearance
over substance...

---------------------
Lie. The blue was simply the educated people in the USA. We're getting
real close to a Majority now, one of these years its gonna be all over
for your beloved Dark Ages.

the whole core of the US went for Bush.
------------------------
Population-wise, the "core" of the USA is nearly empty. The population
is in the north and on the coasts. Look at the light-at-night satellite
photos from orbit.

New England
and the Left Coast look like a bunch of sick puppies.
--------------------------
Then why do they have the lion's share of technical production to
their credit, and several of those states rank next to nations in
terms of their productivity.

The red is all scattered dirt farmers.

There's that elitist streak again.
---------------------------

Nonsense, the stupid are the stupid.

What will you do when
your local Committee decides you're best suited to carrying
nightsoil?
-----------------------------------

Doesn't happen, ain't no "committee", just Majority Democracy, and
everyone gets the same work and the same chances.

(7) Looks to me like it's time to penalize the Blue states, and do
away with any deductions for state/city income taxes... stop the
leaching off of the core... Boston, New York, LA and SF deserve the
fruit of their seed ;-)
----------------------------
If you in the red all died, we could repopulate the farm industry
in a few weeks. Us city kids mostly came from the country, TO GET
AWAY FROM YOU SHIT!! The rest of you slack-jawed morons are useless
and waste of resources and skin. Without a few hauling jobs you'd
be useless and unnecessary!

But if we blue disappeared, you'd GET your wish and return the
Dark Ages and in months you'd be back to the digging stick as your
average technology!

Yeah, right. Which coast do you "live" on?
Mark L. Fergerson
---------------------------------

The Left Coast, where we have the most productive farms on earth.
They're automated and corporate, meaning the People can run them
just as well as ignorant rich bastards by taking over and controlling
the corportation by Majority Democracy.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Mark Fergerson]

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Democrats, having a meeting to decide why they lost the election,
decided it was because Bush fought a dirty campaign.

My view on that:

(1) I didn't see a single Kerry ad that wasn't an out-and-out lie.

----------------
Lying slightly to defeat evil is a virtuous act!

Who decides what "slightly" means? Shall we now assume
that nothing you say is to be trusted, since (as you tell us
so often) we're so evil, you must be lying "slightly"
whenever you think it's appropriate?

------------------
Hah, hah.
And so you hadn't realized until just now that others can LIE???

Yes, of course anyone can lie.

If you want to trust anyone, trust the guy who ADMITS it.

Right. I will henceforth take everything Dan Rather says
at face value.

Steve, if you truly believe what you wrote, you've
destroyed any credibility you ever had.

------------------------
Any credibility I *DO* have is based on *WHAT* I say,

But if you're lying...

and NOT the reverse.

how will I know?

Nobody believes anyone else unless they agree with them.

Only if they can't distinguish between "truth" and "fact".

The way we are changed from external influences is from within,

You used to say that we cannot change our minds from
within at all. Lying again, or changed your mind?

below awareness, beyond our control.

True for those that will not even attempt to understand
how their minds work.

(2) Kerry had a "plan", but never gave any particulars... I guess
expecting, "Elect me, then I'll tell you".

-------------------
It was spelled out clearly, to everyone who actually wanted to know.
You were simply disingenuous about claiming you did, else you'd have
gone to their website.

Hold on, I did read it. It comprised four of the five
points on the Bush site.

------------------------------------
Yeah, except in the opposite direction.

Uh, no. Same identical points.

(3) Taxing anyone over $200K gets every small business owner in the
US... not too smart.

----------------------
Crucial to the final equality of workers.
Tax the rich back to the level of the rest of us.
Require any business to pay each person working the SAME per hour.

Dammit Steve, do you have to keep repeating the same old
zero-sum bullshit?

-----------------------
Ain't bullshit. At any moment the economy is finite, and dividing
it unequally with respect to labor hours is criminality. And there
is no magic to growing the economy. If people want more they can
vote to make more and work longer hours for it

Or find better ways to make things that don't involve
more hand labor.

How about making us ALL the current equivalent of filthy rich?
You know damn well we're capable of it right now.

----------------------------
You know no such thing, we don't have self-replicating industrial
robots yet. This means we are limited in what we can have and
maintain by how much we can work and to what degree our industrial
base amplifies our production.

"Production amplification" is exactly the reason your
"work to live" scheme is pointless. People used to have to
work dawn to dusk just to eat. That's no longer the case.
It's down to, what, four hours a day (excluding "tax hours")?

(4) Never answering any question until 24 hours later, so he could run
a poll.

-----------------------
Lie. Republicans always lie, they seem to think it makes their dicks
larger to tempt fate that way, actually it just makes them stupid
dicks.

So, why do Dems lie?

---------------------------
They don't, except obviously where appropriate and moral to do so.

Interesting; you forgive doublespeak when your side does
it. I don't forgive it at all.

(5) Why do leftists hate Texans?

---------------------------
It's not merely Texans, it's ANY slack jawed moron stupid enough to
identify with dirt instead of ideas.

(6) Looking at a Red/Blue map, looks like the Blues choose appearance
over substance...

---------------------
Lie. The blue was simply the educated people in the USA. We're getting
real close to a Majority now, one of these years its gonna be all over
for your beloved Dark Ages.

the whole core of the US went for Bush.

------------------------
Population-wise, the "core" of the USA is nearly empty. The population
is in the north and on the coasts. Look at the light-at-night satellite
photos from orbit.

New England
and the Left Coast look like a bunch of sick puppies.

--------------------------
Then why do they have the lion's share of technical production to
their credit, and several of those states rank next to nations in
terms of their productivity.

The red is all scattered dirt farmers.

There's that elitist streak again.

---------------------------
Nonsense, the stupid are the stupid.

Now you're merely parroting Kerry's wife.

What will you do when
your local Committee decides you're best suited to carrying
nightsoil?

-----------------------------------
Doesn't happen, ain't no "committee", just Majority Democracy, and
everyone gets the same work and the same chances.

What, you've revised your precious People's Committees
out of existence? How will your State know what the People
need to do?

How can any State function if everyone does all the same
jobs? Shit's gonna pile up real quick.

(7) Looks to me like it's time to penalize the Blue states, and do
away with any deductions for state/city income taxes... stop the
leaching off of the core... Boston, New York, LA and SF deserve the
fruit of their seed ;-)

----------------------------
If you in the red all died, we could repopulate the farm industry
in a few weeks. Us city kids mostly came from the country, TO GET
AWAY FROM YOU SHIT!! The rest of you slack-jawed morons are useless
and waste of resources and skin. Without a few hauling jobs you'd
be useless and unnecessary!

But if we blue disappeared, you'd GET your wish and return the
Dark Ages and in months you'd be back to the digging stick as your
average technology!

Yeah, right. Which coast do you "live" on?

---------------------------------
The Left Coast

Why am I not surprised?

where we have the most productive farms on earth.

Using water stolen from other states.

They're automated and corporate

Which displaced lots of farmers.

meaning the People can run them
just as well as ignorant rich bastards by taking over and controlling
the corportation by Majority Democracy.

Yet those "ignorant bastards" are the ones that set up
those extremely productive farms, not a bunch of long-haired
Co-op ex-hippies. Where are the extremely productive
communes, Steve? There aren't any.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Watson A.Name - \"Watt Su]

"Mark Fergerson" <nunya@biz.ness> wrote in message
news:ktJld.91460$G15.13254@fed1read03...

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Ignore Cuatro and get all your papers dumped in the floor ;-)

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/DeskAttack.jpg

Oh, ick. Cats.

That explains a lot.

Sure does. Unlike dogs, cats don't spend most of their
time kissing your ass. If they like you, it's because you're
worth liking.

Mark L. Fergerson

I don't have a problem with cats as long as they're taken care of by
their owners. The ones I do have a problem with are the ones that end
up out in the urban 'jungle' fending for themelves, and especially the
one that someone feels sorry for and starts feeding it. Then it starts
hanging around the place, looking for a handout, and every time it sits
down it leaves a pile of fleas that hop on you when you pass by. And
the damned pests are too skittish to come close enough to catch, they're
also a big problem with 'mating season', when a dozen males come hunting
down a female in heat. How many people have lost shoes after throwing
them at cats that kept them awake all night? Yeah, I thought so.

And now we have to put up with a 'possum that comes to the bird feeder
at night for a free handout.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 07:35:04 -0800, Mike <mike@nospam.com> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Ignore Cuatro and get all your papers dumped in the floor ;-)

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/DeskAttack.jpg

...Jim Thompson

To read your message, I had to look past my cat, who sits on the desk in
the space between me and the keyboard. Now he's assumed his favorite
position - laying over my left arm.

-- Mike --

To the left of my keyboard is a climber with bed-on-top roost. He
presides there most of the time. But if he needs his ears scratched
he often will simply step out and drape himself straight across the
keyboard. He's too big to sit in my lap... he's Burmese and twice the
size of a typical domestic cat.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 07:23:27 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

meaning the People can run them
just as well as ignorant rich bastards by taking over and controlling
the corportation by Majority Democracy.

Yet those "ignorant bastards" are the ones that set up
those extremely productive farms, not a bunch of long-haired
Co-op ex-hippies.
-----------------------------

Often successful production is started by family workers and people
who profited little from it out of conscience, and then it was
absconded with at their death by the unscupulous rich! Few family
farms became corporate ag combines with their original ownerships.

Most major coporate farmers in California's central valley are
merely rich land speculators who bought them under-rated from
downtrodden areas and failed rural savings and loans in bad years.

Where are the extremely productive
communes, Steve? There aren't any.
------------------------------

"Communes" weren't FOR that, numb-nuts.

And NONSENSE, many agencies and most public utilities are publically
owned and NON-PROFIT!!!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Melvin Stevens]

This has been in SuperSpice for quite some time. <grin>

Melvin Stevens

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:hfcip0tb5p8tua8e0betv3pgfop3ht3vo5@4ax.com...

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:40:01 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net
(Ken Smith) wrote:

In article <9dnhp01jftfko23h1q85ho3d4ubktkpsac@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
See....

Newsgroups: alt.binaries.schematics.electronic

My ISP doesn't think there is such a group and Deja doesn't archive the
binary groups. How do I view that group?

--

Change ISPs ?

It was just a screen shot of v10.3 showing markers and bias indicators
still functioning.

Only a big deal if you're in to PSpice Schematics as a front-end.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:42:53 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:


Mark Zenier wrote:

In article <pan.2004.11.13.23.42.36.703767@neodruid.org>,
Rich The Philosophizer <null@example.net> wrote:


On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:



Ignore Cuatro and get all your papers dumped in the floor ;-)

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/DeskAttack.jpg


Oh, ick. Cats.


Is this a case of "Like Charges Repelling"?

Cats are natural Libertarians.

I think you've got it in one.

I wonder who he "deigns worthy" to service his toxic
effluvia. Oh, right; everybody.



Do you mean, deal with my own shit?

I do, you cat-serf.

You operate your own waste-disposal plant? Wow! Where do
you sell the sterilized effluent?

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:06:52 GMT, "Melvin Stevens"
<mstevens@dqbbs.com> wrote:

This has been in SuperSpice for quite some time. <grin

Melvin Stevens

[snip]

Whoopy Doo!

It's been in PSpice as long as I can remember. The problem was one of
whether OrCAD/Cadence was going to continue its support, or whether a
bunch of us would bail to another simulator.

Please don't start about simulators that I consider to be toys... this
is a documentation/how-I-earn-my-living issue.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:24:20 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:55:49 +0000, Mark Zenier wrote:


In article <pan.2004.11.13.23.42.36.703767@neodruid.org>,
Rich The Philosophizer <null@example.net> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:


Ignore Cuatro and get all your papers dumped in the floor ;-)

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/DeskAttack.jpg


Oh, ick. Cats.

Is this a case of "Like Charges Repelling"?


Nah, they're the incarnation of distilled Evil. You'd be able
to sense the evil too, if you weren't already in its clutches.


Cats are natural Libertarians.


Absolutely not true, and a horrible insult to Libertarians
everywhere.

Only evil monsters torture their defenseless victims for
their sick perverted pleasure.

How very provincial of you. That's what happens when
"philosophizers" judge other species by their narrow
personal standards.

Cats are _predators_ with finely-honed ancillary
behaviors, one of which is the "torture" you rail about. I
know the concept of predation offends your delicate
sensibilities. Tough.

Not at all. Everybody's got to kill something to eat. How
do you think a lettuce feels being eaten alive?

But they kill of necessity, and do it quickly and cleanly.
They don't intentionally prolong the suffering of their
victims, for no apparent purpuse other than their sick
amusement.

Torture serves no survival purpose, and shows intent do
do harm.

It's the unloving intent that I hate.

Good Luck,
RIch

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Lying slightly to defeat evil is a virtuous act!

Who decides what "slightly" means? Shall we now assume
that nothing you say is to be trusted, since (as you tell us
so often) we're so evil, you must be lying "slightly"
whenever you think it's appropriate?
------------------
Hah, hah.
And so you hadn't realized until just now that others can LIE???

Yes, of course anyone can lie.

If you want to trust anyone, trust the guy who ADMITS it.

Right. I will henceforth take everything Dan Rather says
at face value.
----------------------------

Pretending Rather is not credible because of a misstep he admitted
is disingenuous.

Steve, if you truly believe what you wrote, you've
destroyed any credibility you ever had.

------------------------
Any credibility I *DO* have is based on *WHAT* I say,

But if you're lying...
---------------------------

You missed the point. Content determines credibility, not source.

and NOT the reverse.

how will I know?
----------------------------

Examine what is said and why, not who says what.

Nobody believes anyone else unless they agree with them.

Only if they can't distinguish between "truth" and "fact".
-----------------------------

No, what I said applies to everyone. People agree NOT based on
whether something is true, but whether they share the same belief.

The way we are changed from external influences is from within,

You used to say that we cannot change our minds from
within at all. Lying again, or changed your mind?
-------------------------------

We cannot, through ANY act of supposed "will", change what we
believe, not even the smallest thing. But other things from within
and from without will change us, even if against our "will".

below awareness, beyond our control.

True for those that will not even attempt to understand
how their minds work.
-------------------------------

Nonsense. You cannot lift yourself into the air, and you cannot
encompasse your own nature with your awareness. Any believed
control is easily proved to be illusory.

Hold on, I did read it. It comprised four of the five
points on the Bush site.
------------------------------------
Yeah, except in the opposite direction.

Uh, no. Same identical points.
--------------------------

So you'd like to pretend that there was no reason to see these men
as adversaries? You're an idiot!

Tax the rich back to the level of the rest of us.
Require any business to pay each person working the SAME per hour.

Dammit Steve, do you have to keep repeating the same old
zero-sum bullshit?
-----------------------
Ain't bullshit. At any moment the economy is finite, and dividing
it unequally with respect to labor hours is criminality. And there
is no magic to growing the economy. If people want more they can
vote to make more and work longer hours for it, ALL of them! Any
scheme based on disparity of income is merely a scam and a theft
scheme.


Or find better ways to make things that don't involve
more hand labor.
--------------------------------------------

Absolutely. Don't tell me that you have some delusion that I want
everyone to "plant a garden" or "make things by hand"!!?? By labor
I mean the maintenance and use of state of the art manufacturing by
manufacturing technician workers.

How about making us ALL the current equivalent of filthy rich?
You know damn well we're capable of it right now.
----------------------------
You know no such thing, we don't have self-replicating industrial
robots yet. This means we are limited in what we can have and
maintain by how much we can work and to what degree our industrial
base amplifies our production.

"Production amplification" is exactly the reason your
"work to live" scheme is pointless. People used to have to
work dawn to dusk just to eat. That's no longer the case.
It's down to, what, four hours a day (excluding "tax hours")?
----------------------------

We need to share the profit of production entirely equally, and
then we'll see the average buying power triple, when we prevent
the rich from stealing it all.

(4) Never answering any question until 24 hours later, so he could run
a poll.

-----------------------
Lie. Republicans always lie, they seem to think it makes their dicks
larger to tempt fate that way, actually it just makes them stupid
dicks.

So, why do Dems lie?
---------------------------
They don't, except obviously where appropriate and moral to do so.

Interesting; you forgive doublespeak when your side does
it. I don't forgive it at all.
--------------------------------

Republican lying to steal versus Democratic lying to steal back,
of course!! Stealing is not forgivable, stealing back for the
victim is a virtue!

New England
and the Left Coast look like a bunch of sick puppies.
--------------------------
Then why do they have the lion's share of technical production to
their credit, and several of those states rank next to nations in
terms of their productivity.

The red is all scattered dirt farmers.

There's that elitist streak again.

---------------------------
Nonsense, the stupid are the stupid.

Now you're merely parroting Kerry's wife.
---------------------------------------

Irrelevant, she didn't run, and is mildly insane.

What will you do when
your local Committee decides you're best suited to carrying
nightsoil?
-----------------------------------
Doesn't happen, ain't no "committee", just Majority Democracy, and
everyone gets the same work and the same chances.

What, you've revised your precious People's Committees
out of existence? How will your State know what the People
need to do?
---------------------------------------

By Democratic vote, of course, the sub-committees are merely advisory
executive/research organs.

How can any State function if everyone does all the same
jobs? Shit's gonna pile up real quick.
-----------------------------------

You're becoming confused.
The jobs are all different, but they just PAY the same.

(7) Looks to me like it's time to penalize the Blue states, and do
away with any deductions for state/city income taxes... stop the
leaching off of the core... Boston, New York, LA and SF deserve the
fruit of their seed ;-)
----------------------------
If you in the red all died, we could repopulate the farm industry
in a few weeks. Us city kids mostly came from the country, TO GET
AWAY FROM YOU SHIT!! The rest of you slack-jawed morons are useless
and waste of resources and skin. Without a few hauling jobs you'd
be useless and unnecessary!

But if we blue disappeared, you'd GET your wish and return the
Dark Ages and in months you'd be back to the digging stick as your
average technology!

Yeah, right. Which coast do you "live" on?

---------------------------------
The Left Coast

Why am I not surprised?
----------------------------

Why do you posture irrelevantly?

where we have the most productive farms on earth.

Using water stolen from other states.
--------------------------------

Who can't use it when they're frozen or parched 7 months of the year.

They're automated and corporate

Which displaced lots of farmers.
-----------------------------------

Farmers as owners are ridiculous. The arable land belongs to everyone
who eats from it.

meaning the People can run them
just as well as ignorant rich bastards by taking over and controlling
the corportation by Majority Democracy.

Yet those "ignorant bastards" are the ones that set up
those extremely productive farms,
-----------------------

No they weren't. They were set up as" family dynastic farms and
werfe gobbled up when their kids wanted to move to LA.

not a bunch of long-haired Co-op ex-hippies.
---------------------------

Which is also irrelevant and unrelated posturing crap.

Where are the extremely productive
communes, Steve? There aren't any.

Mark L. Fergerson
-------------------------

"Communes" weren't FOR that, you stupid fixated redneck.

But NON-profit, publically owned utilities span the nation.

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:24:20 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:


Rich The Philosophizer wrote:


On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:55:49 +0000, Mark Zenier wrote:



In article <pan.2004.11.13.23.42.36.703767@neodruid.org>,
Rich The Philosophizer <null@example.net> wrote:


On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:39:02 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:



Ignore Cuatro and get all your papers dumped in the floor ;-)

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/DeskAttack.jpg


Oh, ick. Cats.

Is this a case of "Like Charges Repelling"?


Nah, they're the incarnation of distilled Evil. You'd be able
to sense the evil too, if you weren't already in its clutches.



Cats are natural Libertarians.


Absolutely not true, and a horrible insult to Libertarians
everywhere.

Only evil monsters torture their defenseless victims for
their sick perverted pleasure.

How very provincial of you. That's what happens when
"philosophizers" judge other species by their narrow
personal standards.

Cats are _predators_ with finely-honed ancillary
behaviors, one of which is the "torture" you rail about. I
know the concept of predation offends your delicate
sensibilities. Tough.

Not at all. Everybody's got to kill something to eat. How
do you think a lettuce feels being eaten alive?

Every time I ask that question of a vegetarian they go
into total brain lock.

But they kill of necessity, and do it quickly and cleanly.
They don't intentionally prolong the suffering of their
victims, for no apparent purpuse other than their sick
amusement.

You snipped my explanation....

Torture serves no survival purpose, and shows intent do
do harm.

apparently because you're in love with your "cats are
hateful" hypothesis.

It's the unloving intent that I hate.

You just don't get it. You insist on applying _your_
moral and ethical absolutes where they aren't appropriate.
Yet another karmic zit that's building up pressure...

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[Ian]

"Chaos Master" <ch@os.master.INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message
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In article <MPG.1c033666498307d7989688@News.individual.net>,
ch@os.master.INVALID.INVALID says...

http://www.newzbot.com --> I remember seeing a free (read only) binaries
news server on this site' listings. Please search

OOPS! Newzbot seems to be down!
--
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"It's not what it seems, not what you think. No, I must be dreaming."

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dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu carries abse, you cannot post, however.

Regards
Ian

 

[Joel Kolstad]

"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:cndcpj$j55$2@blue.rahul.net...

In article <8d-dnYBBBpESAgTcRVn-2g@comcast.com>,
Joel Kolstad <JKolstad71HatesSpam@Yahoo.Com> wrote:
"Ken Smith" <kensmith@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
news:cnboan$vgl$1@blue.rahul.net...
For sim. I use LTSpice. For product schematics, I use Orcad for DOS.
For
me, Spice is mostly about checking my math.

It must take you a long time to do worst case analysis (i.e., Monte Carlo
simulation) by hand.

But that isn't "worst case". The real worst case is that all the parts
are at the worst extreme that the maker allows to be shipped to the
customer they like the least. ie: the parts I will actually get in
production.

Fair enough, but I think that Monte Carlo analysis (assuming you set
realistic tolerances on each component's parameters) is representative of
what happens in the real world... although, OK, maybe if you're not the
'least liked' guy on the manufacturer's list!

Many simulators have a 'Yield' option that's effectively Monte Carlo
analysis where they also let you set guidelines for what a 'passing' or
'failing' circuit response is and then collect statistics about your yield.
Although obviously it would be nice if you could design circuits that always
had a 100% yield, this tends to become increasingly difficult as you
starting doing higher and higher frequency design and they are so many
variables (such as the relative premeability of your PCB's substrate) that
are difficult or merely expensive to precisely constrain. For some designs,
it's cheaper overall to accept a lower yielder with 'looser' parts than
require tighter tolerance components.

I guess my point here is that while I'd readily admit that the average
design out there probably could obtain a higher yield with no significant
change in cost, there are also times when it's entirely reasonable to accept
a lower yield just so that you can ship the @#$%@# product and get on with
life. I've heard that the IC yields on high-end 3D graphics chips are
abyssmal -- around 10% -- yet clearly there's a demand for them and it'd be
absurd to suggest that they simply shouldn't be manufactured unless the
yield could be increased.

BTW, I suspect that if you simulate any of those chips with the absolute
worst case tolerances on all the components the yield drops to 0%.

---Joel

 

[Chaos Master]

In article <YTomd.24373$P7.13358@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk says...

Schematic entry is where most fall apart, clumsy to use.

SuperSpice has a brilliant GUI.

I am trying SuperSpice... my only complaint is that the interface is a
bit clumsy if you're not using a high resolution.

Since I don't like high resolutions, this is a problem.

(Otherwise, SS is a very good tool. Congratulations!)

One interface I liked was the one from SIMetrix.
Very fast and clean -- just has a very bad choice of keyboard shortcuts
(F1-F12 keys for almost everything -- I'm used to CTRL+R or R everywhere
for rotate), and those shortcuts can't be changed.

[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Brazil.
"It's not what it seems, not what you think. No, I must be dreaming."

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[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:50:40 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

Spirit has been in the habit of dismissing Will's
pain, and feeling smugly superior, "Well, you're just
as much God as I am, what's wrong with you that you
can't heal yourself like I can?"

Well, that isn't the way reality works.

Sure it is. But one half is timebound, and that's why it
holds onto its pain until it figures out how to let go.

This is Original Error.

The Magnetic Essence _can't_ "let go" of _anything_, because
the Magnetic Essence is where everything goes _to_ when the
Electric Essence so easily "lets go" because it doesn't feel
good.

The "timebound half" has known since before the beginning of
time "how to let go", and that is for the free half to do
its job of giving unconditional loving acceptance to whatever
the timebound half is _feeling_, to bring the needed understanding
and healing of the gap.

Spirit has been shirking its responsibility, but that's OK -
the supervisory part of Spirit has clued up and is healing
all of the essence that wants to be healed as fast as the
judgememts and guilt and denial can get shaken out of our
magnetic energy field, kinda like rubbing the crinkles out
of your eyes when you first wake up, stretching and scratching,
and - oops - first thing in the morning - better take a leak!

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Joel Kolstad]

"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:w9Dmd.28184$P7.5919@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

My philosophy is that the engine should do its best to run, and only fail
if it actually has to.

This is an 'expert friendly' argument, Kevin. In general, if an include
file can't be found, with most users it's FAR more likely that that file is
needed for the simulation and in all likelihood continuing will lead either
to erroneous results or no results at all. Far too many beginners are
likely to believe erroneous output if you don't bludgeon them over the head
with the fact that something about the simulation seems amiss.

But you could readily convince me that there should be a checkbox somewhere
for 'treat [various] failures as warnings'; this is not uncommon with, e.g.,
C compilers.

 

[Jim Thompson]

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:12:05 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi Jim,

What do you think of LTSpice? I know why you need the Cadence package.
But LTSpice comes with a schematic entry that offers a hierarchy
structure which you mentioned before as very important (and I agree with
that).

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

I think LTSpice is fine, although I have misgivings about Mikey's
twiddling of gmin, and other tricks that enhance speed but don't yield
waveform-match to what I see in PSpice Probe.

I think Mark ("qrk") recently ran a chunk of their sonar chip on
LTSpice and saw some bizarre results.

...Jim Thompson
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[Pig Bladder]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:47:48 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
....
"Production amplification" is exactly the reason your
"work to live" scheme is pointless. People used to have to
work dawn to dusk just to eat. That's no longer the case.
It's down to, what, four hours a day (excluding "tax hours")?

We need to share the profit of production entirely equally, and
then we'll see the average buying power triple, when we prevent
the rich from stealing it all.

Exactly; there won't _be_ any "rich" by the old
definitions of accumulated wealth and buying power.

But as I've tried to explain to you many times, those you
despise as "wealthy crooks" don't count their wealth as
accumulated buying power, but as accumulated ability to
influence and control the lives of those they perceive as
lesser beings. You propose to cure this misperception
through slow death by torture, which completely misses the
point.

Oh, no. I believe that administering slow death by torture is
exactly what Steve and all the equal-results disciples would
like to inflict on the filthy rich wealthy crooks.

And it might get the point across. This is what Al-Quaeda
wants to do to the US - make it hurt.

And it is time for the dumpers to feel the pain of the
dumped-on. God told me so.

--
The Pig Bladder from Uranus, still waiting for some
hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:47:48 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:
R. Steve Walz wrote:
Lying slightly to defeat evil is a virtuous act!

....
What will you do when
your local Committee decides you're best suited to carrying
nightsoil?

Doesn't happen, ain't no "committee", just Majority Democracy, and
everyone gets the same work and the same chances.

What, you've revised your precious People's Committees
out of existence? How will your State know what the People
need to do?

By Democratic vote, of course, the sub-committees are merely advisory
executive/research organs.

Ah, the "local committes" now pop back into existence,
under a new name.

And if their research indicates there are too many people
doing your preferred job, and not enough nightsoil carriers?
What will you do, move away? You never did answer me when I
asked you about that the first time. Suppose the committee
decides you're too valuable to allow to move away?

Of course not. Steve intends to _be_ the committee. Or at
least its benevolent chairman.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:47:48 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness>
wrote:

We need to share the profit of production entirely equally, and
then we'll see the average buying power triple, when we prevent
the rich from stealing it all.

No, we'd see zero investment, gross scarcities, and a tripling of
prices through inflation. And that the short-term; it would be worse
longterm.

Exactly; there won't _be_ any "rich" by the old
definitions of accumulated wealth and buying power.

But as I've tried to explain to you many times, those you
despise as "wealthy crooks" don't count their wealth as
accumulated buying power, but as accumulated ability to
influence and control the lives of those they perceive as
lesser beings. You propose to cure this misperception
through slow death by torture, which completely misses the
point.

In the tradeoff between instant consumption and deferred investment,
it is the rich who invest. Working-class people and government are
generally *negative* investors. Rich people who aren't good longterm
investors lose their wealth to people who are better at it.

But we live in a society of excess already, so most of the arguments
about class and wealth are moot.

John