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[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 10:37:44 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:16:25 -0700, Mark Fergerson

I can see a day when those genetically predisposed to
excessive wealth acquisition are kept in elaborately gilded
cages, smirkingly waited upon hand and foot and bowed and
scraped to, just to keep them out of everyone else's way.
Come to think of it, it's already happening...

Someone recently noted that anybody can go to a nearby
gas station
mini-mart and, for $6 or so, buy a better bottle of wine
than any
French king ever tasted.

Totally unimportant to the issue.
If the peon had to work only an hour a day, and the rich
not at all,
I'd still be saying "KILL THE RICH!!"

You just don't get it. The wealthy have always worked
_all day long_ at being wealthy, no matter how many hours
the "peons" they thought they were "managing" worked per day
(and they're "managing" themselves out of existence faster
than any State could wither itself away).

They are absolute slaves to their "wealth acquisition"
behaviors, with no time at all to spare for "nonproductive"
pursuits. Have you never noticed what abysmal morons rich
people tend to be on any subject other than acquiring money?

Have you never noticed that once a wealthy person
acquires interests other than acquiring wealth, the first
thing they do is start giving away as much of it as possible
so they aren't enslaved by it any more?

Get a grip Steve, and yank your political thinking out of
the 19th century. The rest of the world is passing you by.

I've just figured out what the real bone of contention is
between those who "have money" and those who "don't".

The problem isn't how much money you "have" - although the
immediacy of that one obscures the _real_ problem - it's
that most people have to spend _their own_ money, and the
"rich" have a license to spend _other people's_ money. And
just to twist the knife far enough to rub salt into it,
the _other people's_ money usually belongs to the people
who already don't have enough of _their own_ to spend on
stuff in the first place.

They've (the "rich") found out that they can create billions in
counterfiet money with the stroke of a pen, and get away with it.

You bet their ass they're pulling up the drawbridge!
^^^^^ <- F.S. =:-O

;^j
Rich

 

[Frank Bemelman]

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:56:01 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On 19 Nov 2004 02:18:37 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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I don't drink Beaujolais... I find it too weak-kneed, sort of like
wine-flavored water or mouth wash ;-)

In reds I prefer wines with considerable "tongue" such as Merlot,
Cabernet, Zinfandel or Shiraz.

Putting Merlot in the same class as Cabernet and Shiraz (Hermitage)
implies a certain lack of discrimination. He probably doesn't notice
the difference between Cabernet Franc and Cabernet Sauvignon.

---
ISTM that he was grouping the wines because of their sharing of a
similar characteristic, not by their differences.

Sloman is a village idiot. Please don't favor him with a response.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.


Nijmegen is *not* a village.

Clearly you have a real problem understanding the language. "Sloman" is
also
not a native of the village!

Nijmegen is a city in the Netherlands of about 150.000 inhabitants.
Nijmegen is
a very old city, it was founded some 2000 years ago by Emperor Traian of
the
Romans, as a camp to protect the border of the Roman Empire. Charles the
Great
(Charlemagne) also lived in the city for quite some time.

So it an OLD village.
I've visited a village in India with a population of 240,000!

Why didn't you stay there?

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[John Fields]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:40:32 +0100, Guillaume <"grsNOSPAM at
NOTTHATmail dot com"> wrote:

I don't know what planet you're from, but on Earth the people have
just mandated George W. Bush.

And I don't know what planet you're from: you think the United States
is a synonym for the Earth. No, wait. Better yet: you think half of
the United States is the whole Earth. That's actually less than 1%
of the whole world's population, though.

---
Yes. We strive for quality, not quantity.

--
John Fields

 

[Frank Bemelman]

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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:00:03 +0100, "Frank Bemelman"
f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

"Clarence" <no@No.com> schreef in bericht
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I've visited a village in India with a population of 240,000!

Why didn't you stay there?

---
LOL!!!

He wore out his welcome?

--

I don't know. It must be those stupid posts 'xxxx added nothing to
the thread'. As if the world wants to know. Bitching, insulting,
ranting, that's okay, but the stupidity of this Clarence character
is unbearable.

BTW, inspired by the thread, I bought a bottle of Beaujolais today.
We drank it with our dinner and I was pleased it was only one bottle.

--
Thanks, Frank.
(remove 'x' and 'invalid' when replying by email)

 

[Steve Evans]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:27:33 +0100, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
<frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com> wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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Don't waste your money supporting the French enemy. Buy American or
Aussie !-)

The Beaujolais Nouveau is typically quality graded as: 'Swill', 'Plonk' or
outright 'Paint Stripper' - by resteaurateurs 'ere ;-)

BN is a very 'young wine' hwich is a uephamism for being
half-fermented, bottled-in-a-hurry and rushed off to (first-stop)
England where they don't know any better about wine and will drink
anythinng. some stupid brits used to do a 'run' down to the french
vineyards where BN is produced and try to bring the first bottles of
this pisswater back to blightly for a prize!. What a waste of time!
Tip it in a river; it;ll kill *all* the fish - no kiddin'! the french
are poisoners.

--

Fat, sugar, salt, beer: the four essentials for a healthy diet.

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:08:20 -0800, John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:15:24 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer
[rich vs. poor stuff]

But spending isn't primarily what rich people do. Poor people think
about all the things they would buy if they were rich. But the essence
of being rich is *not* spending. A billionaire may have three houses
and ten cars, but not 3000 houses and 10,000 cars.

Well, yeah, but here's the thing. To the guy who has no hope of
ever having even one house that he can ever call his own, that
second or third house that the billionaire just conjures up
with a flip of his wrist really, really rankles.

And this is even when the guy would be a great homeowner, but
nobody will loan him three million dollars, because he's not
a member of the inner circle.

I wonder how many homeless people you could feed and school
and house for the price of a spare house and its upkeep?

But no! They're terrified that if they let even one red cent
get into the hands of the rabble, they'll hemorrhage money
and die.

Well, thankfully, they're all going to die anyway. >;->

;^j
Rich

 

[R. Steve Walz]

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:15:24 GMT, Rich The Philosophizer
null@example.net> wrote:

They are absolute slaves to their "wealth acquisition"
behaviors, with no time at all to spare for "nonproductive"
pursuits. Have you never noticed what abysmal morons rich
people tend to be on any subject other than acquiring money?


Not slaves; they mostly do it because they enjoy it.

Have you never noticed that once a wealthy person
acquires interests other than acquiring wealth, the first
thing they do is start giving away as much of it as possible
so they aren't enslaved by it any more?


Most of the really rich people, at least Americans, got that way by
working at something real (Bill, Sam) and kept doing it most of their
lives. And sure, the only really big charitable donors are people who
have a lot of money; they had to acquire it before they could give it
away, for pete's sake.
-----------------------------

No, those who become rich merely discover a loophole in our system,
the way to do one bit of work once for one person and then to charge
everyone the same amount for it as if you did it for them too, and
to promulgate that fraud in a self-perpetuating manner through a host
of incarnations of similar products long after you have anything to
contribute, by hiring others to do that work for a pittance and then
by representing their work as "yours" and simply pocket the rest
though no actual work on your part was done.

Get a grip Steve, and yank your political thinking out of
the 19th century. The rest of the world is passing you by.

I've just figured out what the real bone of contention is
between those who "have money" and those who "don't".

The problem isn't how much money you "have" - although the
immediacy of that one obscures the _real_ problem - it's
that most people have to spend _their own_ money, and the
"rich" have a license to spend _other people's_ money. And
just to twist the knife far enough to rub salt into it,
the _other people's_ money usually belongs to the people
who already don't have enough of _their own_ to spend on
stuff in the first place.

But spending isn't primarily what rich people do. Poor people think
about all the things they would buy if they were rich.
----------------------

No, actually they just think their lives would be a lot better if
they got more of what they produced themselves. Few poor people even
want to buy anything lavish, they just want a home free and clear,
so no one could extract monthly tribute from them, and the simple
amenities so they didn't have to do without basic things like food,
a couple cheap hobbies, and health insurance. Few poor people can
even figure out how to spend more than a rather small windfall.
They simply can't think of what they want, they just aren't used
to it.

But the essence
of being rich is *not* spending. A billionaire may have three houses
and ten cars, but not 3000 houses and 10,000 cars. The money that they
don't spend is invested, and *somebody* has to defer consumption in
favor of investment or everything would fall apart.
----------------------------------------

No, not "somebody"; we ALL have to, and we ALL deserve the results of
that investment, we all deserve to own our own home, and to derive
whatever wealth arises from the state of wealth of the collective,
in terms of use of its installed technical base to produce their
consumer products. We all deserve our share of this society's
accumulated wealth and established industrial base because we all
inherit it from our forebears who worked and built all you can see,
even if they built it for THEIR illicit thieving oppressors!

When the society owns the means of production collectively, instead
of letting the rich take it all, we obviously have to expend labor
to maintain the industrial base, but that's merely an allocation of
future labor. Only when a few thieves steal the wealth do they have
to "invest" it, because they won't be able to spend it for more than
medieval commmdities WITHOUT them funding the industrial base they
stole it from!

But they don't NEED to be the ones who own all that, and they do NOT
DESERVE to derive interest from that so that they can LIVE WITHOUT
WORKING while the rest of us have to work.

We in the West live in historically and globally unprecendented health
and luxury for practically everyone, and some people are always
whining about how terrible things are because somebody has more than
them.

John
------------------------------

Insanely vicious and dangerous nonsense.
You're ridiculously sheltered and privileged, obviously.

-Steve
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[R. Steve Walz]

Pig Bladder wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:25:16 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:47:48 -0700, Mark Fergerson <nunya@biz.ness
wrote:



We need to share the profit of production entirely equally, and
then we'll see the average buying power triple, when we prevent
the rich from stealing it all.

No, we'd see zero investment, gross scarcities, and a tripling of
prices through inflation. And that the short-term; it would be worse
longterm.

Which appears to be exactly what RSW wants.
-----------------------------
No, that's your lie, and that what I propose would lead us to that
is merely another of your lies.

Investment is simply not needed in a Communism, since the People can
mandate...

I don't know what planet you're from, but on Earth the people have
just mandated George W. Bush.
The Pig Bladder From Uranus,
-----------------------------

51%? How impressive is that now?

Not only that, but it was done without southern "Democrats", who used
to vote Democratic without knowing why. Even WITHOUT them we very
nearly beat Bush. This means that liberals are actually the largest
group that we have EVER been!

-Steve
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[Ken Smith]

In article <6c0lp09f6gua40vpbvgt5vogdfoono3v8f@4ax.com>,
Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote:
[...]

BTW, I suspect that if you simulate any of those chips with the absolute
worst case tolerances on all the components the yield drops to 0%.

This could well be true today. I bet the makers are trying hard to raise
the yield by making the parameter spread smaller.


In the IC business we have an advantage called _ratioing_, resistors
may be 30% low, but so what, they're ALL low.

In discrete land, getting matched sets does this too but it costs like the
dickens. I've had R-packs made to get the tight ratio match needed it
turned out to be the less expensive option.

Performance in a GOOD analog circuit design depends primarily on
ratios.

Yes, and of them it depends on the ratios that are an easier match.

The trouble starts when the parameter you are trying to control is
frequency. It is hard to get frequency to depend on a parts ratio. This
is a big part of why almost everything is fed into a DSP these days. The
DSP cost less than the discretes that would be needed.

--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:18:20 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

That's what I was trying to tell RSW. It's approaching
the situation with royalty in the U.K. and other countries
that maintain them for show.

I can see a day when those genetically predisposed to
excessive wealth acquisition are kept in elaborately gilded
cages, smirkingly waited upon hand and foot and bowed and
scraped to, just to keep them out of everyone else's way.
Come to think of it, it's already happening...
--------------------------------
All it takes is to make theft of all types illegal and unfair wealth
acquisition simply won't be allowed.

So when are you going to get off your dead ass, kwitcherbellyachin,
and do something about it?

Dumb Fuck.

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[Bill Sloman]

"petrus bitbyter" <p.kralt@reducespamforchello.nl> wrote in message news:<amynd.10361$lN.1950@amsnews05.chello.com>...

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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 04:56:01 -0600, John Fields
jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

On 19 Nov 2004 02:18:37 -0800, bill.sloman@ieee.org (Bill Sloman)
wrote:

Jim Thompson <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

So it an OLD village.
I've visited a village in India with a population of 240,000!



So if you want to be a real wiseacre you'd at least try to know what you're
writing about.

Neither Bill Sloman nor I nor anybody else claims Bill to be born in
Nijmegen. Bill only claims to live there.

According to archeologists Nijmegen had municipal rights in the Roman times
already allthough the exact dates and contents are not known. There's not
much written evidence left.

Nijmegen was given a charter by rooms-koning Hendrik VII in 1230. Enough
evidence to say that Nijmegen is not a village.

If you still don't understand I can translate into Dutch or German for you.

Next time you want to pretend something read carefully, think, do some
research of your own, think again and you'll find out you'd better keep
silent.

petrus bitbyter

Telling Clarence to read carefully, think, or do some research on his
own, is making unreasonable demands. Clarence is one of our irrational
right-wingers, a member of a group whose common characteristic is that
their truth is defined by what they know now, and cannot be enlarged
or corrected by the usual methods of scholarship or common sense.

Any suggestion that his opinion might be formed by reading or
investigation (let alone corrected by counter-examples) is an insult
to his fanaticism and the divine source of his inspiration.

For those interested in historical accuracy, Nijmegen was a city long
before Tacitus installed his occupation troops in an armed camp, a
little to the southeast of the city centre. The name Nijmegen is a
corruption of the Latin Noviomagus (new market) - I don't know what
the Batavians called it.

Nijmegen is built on the glacial morraine on the south side of the
Rhine, the heap of rubble and sand deposited when the glacier that was
the Rhine in the last Ice Age melted wen it reached the lowlands.

Nijmegen (and Arnhem, 25 km to the north) were thus the last dry
ground alongside the Rhine before you got into the fertile but swampy
delta.

They were - in consequence - important trading posts long before Roman
times. The Nijmegen museum has got lots of pre-Roman archeological
stuff on show, as well as lots of Roman remains.

--------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

 

[TheDoc]

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 23:00:10 +0100, "Simon Cussonnet"
zzz@zorglub.net> wrote:

yeah Beaujolais nouveau isn't for red necks.
Best to keep fur us French

Yep, Rednecks don't like dishwater-flavored wine ;-)

It's not wine by any stretch of the imagination..

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> a écrit dans le message news:
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Don't waste your money supporting the French enemy. Buy American or
Aussie !-)

...Jim Thompson


...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

 

[Rich The Philosophizer]

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:08:21 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:23:12 GMT, "petrus bitbyter"
p.kralt@reducespamforchello.nl> wrote:


"Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> schreef in bericht
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[snip]
Telling Clarence to read carefully, think, or do some research on his
own, is making unreasonable demands. Clarence is one of our irrational
right-wingers, a member of a group whose common characteristic is that
their truth is defined by what they know now, and cannot be enlarged
or corrected by the usual methods of scholarship or common sense.

Any suggestion that his opinion might be formed by reading or
investigation (let alone corrected by counter-examples) is an insult
to his fanaticism and the divine source of his inspiration.

snip
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

It seems you're right. Sigh.

petrus bitbyter



Careful... you'll (deservedly) end up being one of the 72 virgins ;-)

I'm kind of musing how cute it is that this whole "history of Nijmegen"
tangent got started because somebody didn't get the gag, "Nijmegen isn't
a village."

"Simpering nincompoop? I'll have you know, sir, that I _do not_ simper!"

;^j
Rich

 

[R. Steve Walz]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:18:20 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Mark Fergerson wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:

That's what I was trying to tell RSW. It's approaching
the situation with royalty in the U.K. and other countries
that maintain them for show.

I can see a day when those genetically predisposed to
excessive wealth acquisition are kept in elaborately gilded
cages, smirkingly waited upon hand and foot and bowed and
scraped to, just to keep them out of everyone else's way.
Come to think of it, it's already happening...
--------------------------------
All it takes is to make theft of all types illegal and unfair wealth
acquisition simply won't be allowed.

So when are you going to get off your dead ass, kwitcherbellyachin,
and do something about it?

Dumb Fuck.

Good Luck!
Rich
-------------

I am, shithead. You start by talking.

-Steve
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[Clarence]

"Pig Bladder" <pig_bladder@anyspammer.org> wrote in message
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Had nothing to add to the discussion.

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 07:27:39 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 04:10:30 +0000, R. Steve Walz wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:26:55 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" <rstevew@armory.com
wrote:

Someone recently noted that anybody can go to a nearby gas station
mini-mart and, for $6 or so, buy a better bottle of wine than any
French king ever tasted.
John
---------------
Totally unimportant to the issue.
If the peon had to work only an hour a day, and the rich not at all,
I'd still be saying "KILL THE RICH!!"

Of course. What's really important is the killing, isn't it?

John
-------------
No. What is REALLY important is the FAIRNESS!

What is important is The EQUALITY, and the FREEDOM for REAL PEOPLE'S
LIVES that GENUINE ECONOMIC EQUALITY GUARANTEES!! Money *IS* FREEDOM!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You poor, unfortunate, deluded fool.
---------------------
You present no content.


IT IS YOUR *LIFE* AND THE LIVING OF IT!

Purest Absolute Bullshit.
---------------------
Lame and without content.


IT IS HOURS OUT OF YOUR ONLY
LIFE!!

If you are this addicted to money, then I am very sad for you.
-------------
It's not money, it's time and life!


If you are NOT paid equally and are NOT given your fair share of the
world, then TO THAT DEGREE AND AMOUNT you are UNFREE, TO THAT DEGREE
YOU ARE ENSLAVED!! You should KILL anyone who does that to you!!!

You _can_ still get medical attention for this disorder.

Good Luck!
Rich
--------------------
You're meaningless.

So, whence the energy you devote to arguing with meaninglessness?
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 03:43:02 -0800, Bill Sloman wrote:

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message news:<SwOnd.20192$zx1.14293@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
[whatever]...
I don't think you've made your case. And if you or Jim Thompson thinks
that your labelling me as a village idiot says more about my
intellectual competence than yours, you are well on the way to
labelling yourselves as intellectually incompetent.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I think that by feeding the Clarence, you are demonstrating that you are
dumber than a troll.
naught but trollfood.
the fucking village fucking idiot, you fucking moron.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

 

[Mark Fergerson]

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:57:08 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Rich The Philosophizer wrote:

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 05:21:49 -0700, Mark Fergerson wrote:

Yup. Get your priorities in order; resolve your own
pain(s) and cause as few new ones for others as possible.
Leave others to do the same at their own pace.

You are getting close, but there are beings who are experiencing
the feeling of being at the bottom of a well with no way out.
He cries for help, and all the blessed ones walk by and yell
down at him, "Just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, like
we did."

gently, not stridently

So are you and I. The well has no bottom or top.
"Blessedness" is relative...

Not to the guy at the bottom of the well. "Blessedness" means not
drowning.

Once again, there is no bottom. You just think there is
because of the limited perspective from your POV. Why else
would you try to linearize such a concept?

That just does not work, has never worked, and never will. And
every time it happens, it exacerbates the problem. She gets
buried that much deeper. On top of all the shit that she got
buried under that you left behind so that the part of you that
thinks it's the only part, could lift out and not feel the pain
that it itself has caused.

You still cannot feel another's pain. That's a horribly
wasteful illusion.

DOOOOOOOD!!!!

I am here to tell you, I Feel Them ALL! That's the point of this
whole exercise! What you feel is the _only_ reality there is!

It's still only _your_ reality. It isn't necessarily
anyone else's.

And all pain really is One. I _know_, because I _am_ it! just in
human form, trying to bear a message to the linears and mundanes.

We're here in largely mundane, linear form for a reason.

And the being at the bottom of that well is the part of yourself
that you have cut off from your perceptions - you've hypnotized
yourself into ignoring the pain, and have successfully convinced
yourself that their pain is either imaginary, their own fault,
or something that they'll figure out how to get out of.

Others "above" you in the well have no business messing
with yours either.

But each of us has our _own_ Light Being, which needs to clue up,
and find our own personal rope. The whole Grand Quest is simply
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Nobody else's rope.

The whole Grand Quest is simply
each of us trying to find our other part.

But you can't use anybody else's rope, and nobody else
can use yours. You can explain that ropes exist, and show
how to use them, but you can't _force_ anything to use it
before it's time for them to do so.

Every once in a while, a mundane delinearizes and sees
the Great Big Picture, then expresses what they saw.

Ever heard that song about the preacher:

"You got to walk that lonesome valley

you got to walk it by yourself

nobody else can walk it for you

you got to walk it by yourself."

There are many ways to decipher that, but I think you get it.

I am The Lucky One - I got my Higher Being's attention, while
staying connected to Mother. But there's so many people that still don't
even know about the gap, let alone want to bridge it. They think that the
fragment that talks and visualizes and rejects feelings is the only
fragment of them that's real. Almost the opposite is true. And it's so
fucking easy to get to the other side, that it'd be laughable if it wasn't
so fucking tragic. All you have to do is unjudge. Undeny. Feel. Be.

But you can't do it for anyone else. They got to do it by
themselves. That's why we're/they're here.

They KNOW how to get out of it! Your timeless self has to dive
down to the bottom of the well and rescue her, and levitate her
out with you just like you did with your mental half.

No. That wastes the entire exercise.

Ach! Please unjudge this, Thanks.

See Rich, you haven't noticed your own judgements here.
You are trying to extrapolate physical-level pain avoidance
into a realm where it simply doesn't apply.

If you were walking by a physical well, and you heard the cries
of a drowning child, "Help me! please?" would you just yell down,
"Well, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, like we did?"

Bogus analogy, and you know it.

Wrong! Your _judgement_ of it as bogus is prima facie evidence that you
are in the grip of the most insidious meme of all.

Really? How long did it take you to get where you are?
What did you _have_ to go through to get there?

There are billions of microorganisms dying horribly in
your gut right now. Why don't you help them?

There are no microorganisms dying horribly in _my_ gut.

You know better than that. For them, your gut is the
"well" they're drowning in.

It's the ones
dying horribly in _your_ gut that concern me. ;-)

Not your well, not your drowning. Neither you nor I can
do diddly about them. They're doing the best they can with
what they have to work with.

Which, of course, is none of my business - it is, after all, each person's
choice as to whether they'd like to learn how to not die or not.

That's what I've been trying to tell you. Do you or do
you not believe in free will? What you've been proposing is
tantamount to "relieving" every being of it, not just its
consequences. Free will is totally valueless unless we learn
the lesson of _consequences_. That's what timebound
existence is all about.

Let's go back a bit; you wrote earlier:

In the beginning All was One, and perfect, and had done
everything and all that, and after an infinite time of
playing with itself, realized it was alone. So it had
many conversations with itself, and other little pockets
of consciousness here and there, and came to the conclusion
that there should be An Other. So, after a few gahooption
millennia of contemplation, All decided to tear itself
in two.

Nothing like this had ever done before. And this was the
point at which it was discovered that Pain Hurts.

That's the Lesson of Consequences All had to learn.

Well, that's exactly what you're doing to the
only part of you that can
experience anything as anything other than pretty pictures.

I should have called you on this earlier. That's the best
any of us ("us" in this context meaning not just humans, but
everything from prions to us to whatever else is out there
living and learning) can do. If we're really lucky, we get
to compare pictures and then we learn about the Great Jigsaw
Puzzle. What you haven't noticed is that it's fractal...

And deny them the benefits of learning what they
needed/signed up to/have to learn?

The deepest part has known it since before the beginning of time.
The learning is supposed to be for the electric, mobile, conscious,
intelligent, spirit/mind half - and it's only recently come to light
that spirit causes all of the problems, and will/body has been taking
all the knocks unfairly for all of this long time.

Exactly. We're all in school. Some of us choose to absorb
our lessons right off the bat, some take longer. Some never
do. There is exactly no "unfairness" involved, because
everything learns at the rate that it can.

Well, the times, they are a-changin'. :=P

Don't go all Apocalyptic on me.

Why are they alive in the first place?

My intestinal flora? To make farts, of course.

And then die.

Why are you?

Why am I what? Alive? I'm a messenger from Mother.

So you believe right now. What makes you believe you have
nothing more to learn?

Do you really want The End Of The Story
handed to you on a platinum platter?

Yes, of course - now that I know that the end of the story is Infinite
Love.

That's nice. Perhaps it's time for you to shuffle off
this mortal coil (to drag Shakespeare back in).

But you have no business trying to short-circuit anyone
else's "educational" process. _That's_ the ultimate unfairness.

Mark L. Fergerson

 

[John Fields]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:13 GMT, Pig Bladder
<pig_bladder@anyspammer.org> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 03:43:02 -0800, Bill Sloman wrote:

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message news:<SwOnd.20192$zx1.14293@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
[whatever]...
I don't think you've made your case. And if you or Jim Thompson thinks
that your labelling me as a village idiot says more about my
intellectual competence than yours, you are well on the way to
labelling yourselves as intellectually incompetent.

-------
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I think that by feeding the Clarence, you are demonstrating that you are
dumber than a troll.
naught but trollfood.
the fucking village fucking idiot, you fucking moron.

---
SWINE FECAL SAC

I'm a pig's bladder
but I think something's wired wrong
since I cough up shit.

--
John Fields

 

[Pig Bladder]

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:53:46 -0600, John Fields wrote:

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:44:13 GMT, Pig Bladder
pig_bladder@anyspammer.org> wrote:

The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.

---
And will you be picking your nose when you answer, "Arkansas"?

Well, nobody knows yet, but the world does know that you'll be
on-the-spot, the first to be investigating the object of your worship,
my booger.
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, still waiting for
some hot babe to ask what my favorite planet is.