DVD picture doesn't fill the screen

felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 14-January-2016 10:01 PM, Trevor wrote:
On 14/01/2016 8:46 PM, felix wrote:
On 14-January-2016 5:28 PM, Trevor wrote:
You do realise you are writing digital DATA right? IF the data read is
the same as what was written, there will be NO difference whatsoever
between brands.

well that's the theory, but I can see the difference. I always used TDK
discs, but then I got some LG discs, and the first time I used one, I
noticed that they produced a sharper but less colourful image. the
colour is also more 'pinky' than with the TDK disks which have more
natural colour.

Sorry, I didn't realise you were talking about printable disk labels.

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't
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That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.
 
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't

That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.
Click to expand...

I don't see felix doing it, but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC, or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player, use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image files.

Ideally one would want an image of the exact same frame from both DVDs.
To this end, some DVD players have an option of only pausing on
keyframes, which would make it easier to manually pick the exact same
frame to make an image of.

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On 15-January-2016 3:56 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
"felix" <me@nothere.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15-January-2016 3:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:


"felix" <me@nothere.invalid> wrote in message
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On 14-January-2016 3:33 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I
prefer to
use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have
better
colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). no
problem
to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an LG
disc. I
don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of discs
produce
different results.
That's completely nuts. DVDs use digital MPEG encoded video.
Saying the
picture quality is different depending on the DVD-R brand is like
saying
the same video file looks different when played from a USB memory
stick
compared to from a PC's Hard Disk.


well you can say what you like about it, but I can see the
differences
between the two.

Bet you can't in a proper double blind trial.


It proves to me that he would be a prime candidate to sell some
welding wire size speaker cables with whizbang insulation to!

it's well known among hifi enthusiasts that speaker cables can affect
the sound from speakers. many years ago I did some testing in that
regard. there was a popular idea at the time to use 240v solid copper
wire electrical cable for speakers, but it never produced the same
sound or tonal quality.

Like I said, completely off with the fucking fairys.
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obviously then you've never had anything to do with hi end audio
equipment, mr. know-it-all

--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
"felix" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message
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when I played a DVD I hired I found that the picture would not fill the
screen. (see photo) I tried another DVD player and got the same result.
also the same on the PC. anyone know what is going on here?
Click to expand...

You need a smaller TV, measure the image on your current TV and get that
size one
 
On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
On 15-January-2016 3:25 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 14/01/2016 9:46 PM, felix wrote:
On 14-January-2016 3:33 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I prefer to
use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have
better
colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). no
problem
to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an LG disc. I
don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of discs
produce
different results.
That's completely nuts. DVDs use digital MPEG encoded video. Saying the
picture quality is different depending on the DVD-R brand is like
saying
the same video file looks different when played from a USB memory stick
compared to from a PC's Hard Disk.


well you can say what you like about it, but I can see the differences
between the two.



No you can't because it's digital.




so I have an over active imagination? I'm not trying to explain it, I'm
just saying how it is. surely discs from different manufactures are not
made exactly the same, so that could explain it. or maybe it's a
function of the electronics processing the signal from the discs
reacting to something inherently different between them?
Click to expand...

No, the reason that you can't see the difference is that the information
encoded to the disc is digital which means it's either 0 or 1. That
means a 1:1 copy can only have the same information. The only way you
might see a difference is if there are errors and you can check this
verifying or comparing two discs.

If your player isn't reading a particular disc the same, there might be
read errors and the bit rate might be dropped but they don't manifest in
a way you describe by changing how an image looks in the way you
describe over the length of a movie.

What you would see is pixelation and skipping.

You are applying an old analog idea to a digital medium and that just
doesn't work.

the DVD player
is connected to a home theatre amp that upscales the signal to 1080p.
whatever the reason there is a visible difference
Click to expand...

I suppose you can see a difference when using two different brands of
HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much sense.
 
On 16-January-2016 12:33 AM, Gordon Levi wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 14-January-2016 10:01 PM, Trevor wrote:
On 14/01/2016 8:46 PM, felix wrote:
On 14-January-2016 5:28 PM, Trevor wrote:
You do realise you are writing digital DATA right? IF the data read is
the same as what was written, there will be NO difference whatsoever
between brands.
well that's the theory, but I can see the difference. I always used TDK
discs, but then I got some LG discs, and the first time I used one, I
noticed that they produced a sharper but less colourful image. the
colour is also more 'pinky' than with the TDK disks which have more
natural colour.
Sorry, I didn't realise you were talking about printable disk labels.
If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't
That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs.
Click to expand...

which would show that the different discs produce the variations I
mentioned, so what is your point?

If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.
Click to expand...

I'm not really interested in trying to prove a variation in picture
quality between media brands, or explain it. I merely stated that I
could see a difference, and was told that I couldn't. I really don't
care whether anyone believes it or not.

--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
On 16-January-2016 9:52 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't
That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.
I don't see felix doing it,
Click to expand...

I'm still thinking about it. I would have to set up a camera on a tripod
so there is no inconsistency due to the photography

but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC,
Click to expand...

no, because I'm talking about what I see on my 55 inch plasma screen
with my AV setup

or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player,
Click to expand...

it happens in my AV setup

use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image files.

Ideally one would want an image of the exact same frame from both DVDs.
To this end, some DVD players have an option of only pausing on
keyframes, which would make it easier to manually pick the exact same
frame to make an image of.
Click to expand...


--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
On 16-January-2016 11:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
On 15-January-2016 3:25 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 14/01/2016 9:46 PM, felix wrote:
On 14-January-2016 3:33 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I
prefer to
use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have
better
colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). no
problem
to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an LG disc. I
don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of discs
produce
different results.
That's completely nuts. DVDs use digital MPEG encoded video.
Saying the
picture quality is different depending on the DVD-R brand is like
saying
the same video file looks different when played from a USB memory
stick
compared to from a PC's Hard Disk.


well you can say what you like about it, but I can see the differences
between the two.



No you can't because it's digital.




so I have an over active imagination? I'm not trying to explain it, I'm
just saying how it is. surely discs from different manufactures are not
made exactly the same, so that could explain it. or maybe it's a
function of the electronics processing the signal from the discs
reacting to something inherently different between them?

No, the reason that you can't see the difference is that the
information encoded to the disc is digital which means it's either 0
or 1. That means a 1:1 copy can only have the same information. The
only way you might see a difference is if there are errors and you can
check this verifying or comparing two discs.

If your player isn't reading a particular disc the same, there might
be read errors and the bit rate might be dropped but they don't
manifest in a way you describe by changing how an image looks in the
way you describe over the length of a movie.

What you would see is pixelation and skipping.

You are applying an old analog idea to a digital medium and that just
doesn't work.

the DVD player
is connected to a home theatre amp that upscales the signal to 1080p.
whatever the reason there is a visible difference


I suppose you can see a difference when using two different brands of
HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much sense.
Click to expand...

well you are completely wrong there because there are visible
differences between HDMI cables. if you can't see them, I can only
assume you do not have equipment of sufficient quality


--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
On 16-January-2016 3:13 PM, Je�us wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:10:18 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 16-January-2016 1:25 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:08:04 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 15-January-2016 3:56 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
Like I said, completely off with the fucking fairys.
obviously then you've never had anything to do with hi end audio
equipment, mr. know-it-all
Well, I have a lot to do with 'high end audio'.
bullshit. if you did you wouldn't be arguing with me.
ROTFL.

and don't you live out in the bush somewhere?
How in the hell is that relevant?
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not many hi end audio stores out in the bush

So does Trevor Wilson
(wherever he's disappeared to lately).

So, you're one of those audiophools that buys into the bullshit
promulgated by snake oil merchants. There's only so much a cable can
do, and if it's well made out of decent quality materials, then that's
as good as it gets.

Feel free to spend two grand or more on an RCA cable if you like, I
doubt you would anyway as I don't even believe your claim that you
know a damned thing about 'high end audio', as you put it.
why would you. you never believe anything I say. worked in the industry
for 30 years fuckwit. even had my own business.
Mmm... '30 years in the industry' and you asked the questions you
asked... LOL.

So spill the details on your business then.
You won't, because you can't. There isnt a hifi store that ever
existed in Australia
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never said I had a hifi store, or even a store.

that somebody on stereo.net doesnt know about. So
let's hear all about that, felix.
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I have no intention of giving out personal info about myself. I'll admit
it annoys me that you and others will never believe anything I say, but
everything I have said is fact, so I guess I just have to accept that
some ppl are just naturally suspicious and live with it. makes me wonder
tho about your/their own integrity if you/they keep assuming others are
always lying.

What gear do you have, out of interest?
none of your business. I'm tired of ppl on usenet constantly wanting me
to justify everything I say.
Yet you don't ask yourself why that is? Could it be a conspiracy to
pick on just you perhaps?
Click to expand...

I reckon it's because many ppl here can't see beyond the end of their noses.

you don't have to believe it, I don't care.
and although I do have good hifi and audio equipment- including the
brands Redgum, Kef, Richard Allen, Yamaha, Panasonic, Dual, Akai, Onkyo,
Samsung, Beyonwiyz, Topfield, Pioneer, LG,
So would I be, actually. Panasonic, Samsung, Topfield, LG for example
aren't 'high end' and never have been.
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and I never said they were. if you spent more time taking note of what I
actually say instead of simply wanting to have a go at me you might do
better

Dual, Akai were borderline at
best and only their very best stuff even reaches borderline level.
Onkyo's very top of the range stuff is alright, ditto Pioneer (I much
prefer TAD though - do you know what that is?)

I do have a pair of Kefs, but they get no use as they're not my cup of
tea.
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yeah, we know your preferred beverage is beer

and la pièce de rÊsistance..
three t-boxes and Foxtel, and I'd be surprised if you have even several of those-
Fuck... I'm gonna have to stop sipping beer when I read your posts.
Tired of having to wipe the monitor down.

and even my PC audio in the study runs thru a
HiFi amp
From the sound card to whatever this 'hifi' amp is, right? Speakers
are?

The PC I'm using right now is connected to a $2000 DAC, which is
currently connected to a fully restored Sansui AU-717 and a pair of
1293SRTL's, the ones with the 12" drivers:
http://adelaidespeakers.com/summoner-floorstanders.html

And yes, very decent interconnects and speaker cables, without going
silly and spending/wasting money on snake oil crap.
Click to expand...

so why are you arguing with me about interconnects? why aren't you
connecting that (if you even have it, time for me to get suspicious now)
with elcheapo $2 leads?

I have several vintage integrated and pre/power amplifiers, all
professionally restored/improved. Both solid state and valve. Marantz,
Luxman and many Sansuis from their golden era. And many more to come,
too. It's become a hobby of mine. A few decent turntables too,
including a couple of restored Garrard 401s. I've spent around $16K
this year alone on equipment, CDs and vinyl.

I
don't need to own a Mercedes to know it's a better car than a Ford, and
nor do I accept the argument that they will both perform equally well
because they are both cars and both well made.
An idiotic analogy on the face of it.
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nope. it's what ppl (and you!) have been arguing. leads are leads and
quality/construction doesn't matter.

Let's see you post your thoughts to stereo.net, I'd really like to see
that :)
wow! some good gear there. bet it's all connected with leads from a $2
shop..
If you are at all for real, my guess is you'll be institutionalised
within the next few years due to dementia and/or psych issues.
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so you don't even understand sarcasm?

--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
On 16-January-2016 12:58 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:n7bt7j$18lg$1@gioia.aioe.org...
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK
disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't

That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.

I don't see felix doing it, but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC, or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player, use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image
files.

Trouble is its too easy to photoshop one image to 'prove' whatever you
like.
Click to expand...

duh! the photos would have to be unaltered

Ideally one would want an image of the exact same frame from both DVDs.
To this end, some DVD players have an option of only pausing on
keyframes, which would make it easier to manually pick the exact same
frame to make an image of.
Click to expand...

--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
On 16-January-2016 1:15 PM, Je�us wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:42:28 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 16-January-2016 11:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
On 15-January-2016 3:25 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 14/01/2016 9:46 PM, felix wrote:
On 14-January-2016 3:33 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I
prefer to
use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have
better
colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). no
problem
to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an LG disc. I
don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of discs
produce
different results.
That's completely nuts. DVDs use digital MPEG encoded video.
Saying the
picture quality is different depending on the DVD-R brand is like
saying
the same video file looks different when played from a USB memory
stick
compared to from a PC's Hard Disk.

well you can say what you like about it, but I can see the differences
between the two.


No you can't because it's digital.



so I have an over active imagination? I'm not trying to explain it, I'm
just saying how it is. surely discs from different manufactures are not
made exactly the same, so that could explain it. or maybe it's a
function of the electronics processing the signal from the discs
reacting to something inherently different between them?
No, the reason that you can't see the difference is that the
information encoded to the disc is digital which means it's either 0
or 1. That means a 1:1 copy can only have the same information. The
only way you might see a difference is if there are errors and you can
check this verifying or comparing two discs.

If your player isn't reading a particular disc the same, there might
be read errors and the bit rate might be dropped but they don't
manifest in a way you describe by changing how an image looks in the
way you describe over the length of a movie.

What you would see is pixelation and skipping.

You are applying an old analog idea to a digital medium and that just
doesn't work.

the DVD player
is connected to a home theatre amp that upscales the signal to 1080p.
whatever the reason there is a visible difference

I suppose you can see a difference when using two different brands of
HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much sense.

well you are completely wrong there because there are visible
differences between HDMI cables. if you can't see them, I can only
assume you do not have equipment of sufficient quality
You really are a lost cause :)
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no, you are if you want to argue against what is well known among
audiophiles the world over, ie. that interconnect quality affects
audio/video quality

Any HDMI cables that are *well made* out of reasonable quality
materials and are not faulty in some way and of the same length should
produce the same result.
Click to expand...

--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 15:18:27 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Jeßus" <j@invalid.lan> wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:58:32 +1100, "Rod Speed"
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:n7bt7j$18lg$1@gioia.aioe.org...
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK
disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't

That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.

I don't see felix doing it, but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC, or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player, use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image
files.

Trouble is its too easy to photoshop one image to 'prove' whatever you
like.

Can you really see felix using Photoshop??? I can't...

Plenty of other stuff that even someone as stupid as him
can use to fiddle with the saturation that he claims varys
with the DVD blanks.
Click to expand...

Sure, but do you think he'd do a convincing job of it?
He can't even make a rational post.
 
Jeßus wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:10:18 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 16-January-2016 1:25 PM, Je?us wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:08:04 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 15-January-2016 3:56 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
Like I said, completely off with the fucking fairys.
obviously then you've never had anything to do with hi end audio
equipment, mr. know-it-all
Well, I have a lot to do with 'high end audio'.

bullshit. if you did you wouldn't be arguing with me.

ROTFL.

and don't you live out in the bush somewhere?

How in the hell is that relevant?


So does Trevor Wilson
(wherever he's disappeared to lately).

So, you're one of those audiophools that buys into the bullshit
promulgated by snake oil merchants. There's only so much a cable can
do, and if it's well made out of decent quality materials, then that's
as good as it gets.

Feel free to spend two grand or more on an RCA cable if you like, I
doubt you would anyway as I don't even believe your claim that you
know a damned thing about 'high end audio', as you put it.

why would you. you never believe anything I say. worked in the industry
for 30 years fuckwit. even had my own business.

Mmm... '30 years in the industry' and you asked the questions you
asked... LOL.

So spill the details on your business then.
You won't, because you can't. There isnt a hifi store that ever
existed in Australia that somebody on stereo.net doesnt know about. So
let's hear all about that, felix.

What gear do you have, out of interest?

none of your business. I'm tired of ppl on usenet constantly wanting me
to justify everything I say.

Yet you don't ask yourself why that is? Could it be a conspiracy to
pick on just you perhaps?

you don't have to believe it, I don't care.
and although I do have good hifi and audio equipment- including the
brands Redgum, Kef, Richard Allen, Yamaha, Panasonic, Dual, Akai, Onkyo,
Samsung, Beyonwiyz, Topfield, Pioneer, LG,

So would I be, actually. Panasonic, Samsung, Topfield, LG for example
aren't 'high end' and never have been. Dual, Akai were borderline at
best and only their very best stuff even reaches borderline level.
Onkyo's very top of the range stuff is alright, ditto Pioneer (I much
prefer TAD though - do you know what that is?)

I do have a pair of Kefs, but they get no use as they're not my cup of
tea.

and la pičce de résistance..
three t-boxes and Foxtel, and I'd be surprised if you have even several of those-

Fuck... I'm gonna have to stop sipping beer when I read your posts.
Tired of having to wipe the monitor down.

and even my PC audio in the study runs thru a
HiFi amp

From the sound card to whatever this 'hifi' amp is, right? Speakers
are?

The PC I'm using right now is connected to a $2000 DAC, which is
currently connected to a fully restored Sansui AU-717 and a pair of
1293SRTL's, the ones with the 12" drivers:
http://adelaidespeakers.com/summoner-floorstanders.html

And yes, very decent interconnects and speaker cables, without going
silly and spending/wasting money on snake oil crap.

I have several vintage integrated and pre/power amplifiers, all
professionally restored/improved. Both solid state and valve. Marantz,
Luxman and many Sansuis from their golden era. And many more to come,
too. It's become a hobby of mine. A few decent turntables too,
including a couple of restored Garrard 401s. I've spent around $16K
this year alone on equipment, CDs and vinyl.
Click to expand...

Not far off my annual income.

I
don't need to own a Mercedes to know it's a better car than a Ford, and
nor do I accept the argument that they will both perform equally well
because they are both cars and both well made.

An idiotic analogy on the face of it.

Let's see you post your thoughts to stereo.net, I'd really like to see
that :)

wow! some good gear there. bet it's all connected with leads from a $2
shop..

If you are at all for real, my guess is you'll be institutionalised
within the next few years due to dementia and/or psych issues.
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:29:23 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 16-January-2016 9:52 AM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't
That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.
I don't see felix doing it,

I'm still thinking about it. I would have to set up a camera on a tripod
so there is no inconsistency due to the photography
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You've been told at least three times now that you could take screen
shots from a media player on your PC. But you persist with your
retarded idea to photograph the screen, which introduces a whole new
range of variables which makes an accurate comparison almost
impossible.

but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC,

no, because I'm talking about what I see on my 55 inch plasma screen
with my AV setup
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FFS... are you really this dense or are you just stringing us along
here? So now it seems that you're saying that the two DVDs will play
identically on a PC, but not on your AV setup? That right there by
implication says that the DVDs are identical. You fucking knob.
 
"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
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In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't

That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.

I don't see felix doing it, but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC, or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player, use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image files.
Click to expand...

Trouble is its too easy to photoshop one image to 'prove' whatever you like.

Ideally one would want an image of the exact same frame from both DVDs.
To this end, some DVD players have an option of only pausing on
keyframes, which would make it easier to manually pick the exact same
frame to make an image of.
Click to expand...
 
"felix" <me@nothere.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15-January-2016 3:56 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"felix" <me@nothere.invalid> wrote in message
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On 15-January-2016 3:10 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Rod Speed wrote:


"felix" <me@nothere.invalid> wrote in message
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On 14-January-2016 3:33 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I prefer
to
use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have
better
colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). no
problem
to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an LG disc.
I
don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of discs
produce
different results.
That's completely nuts. DVDs use digital MPEG encoded video. Saying
the
picture quality is different depending on the DVD-R brand is like
saying
the same video file looks different when played from a USB memory
stick
compared to from a PC's Hard Disk.


well you can say what you like about it, but I can see the
differences
between the two.

Bet you can't in a proper double blind trial.


It proves to me that he would be a prime candidate to sell some welding
wire size speaker cables with whizbang insulation to!

it's well known among hifi enthusiasts that speaker cables can affect
the sound from speakers. many years ago I did some testing in that
regard. there was a popular idea at the time to use 240v solid copper
wire electrical cable for speakers, but it never produced the same sound
or tonal quality.

Like I said, completely off with the fucking fairys.

obviously then you've never had anything to do with hi end audio
equipment, mr. know-it-all
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I have actually, fuckwit child.
 
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 08:17:44 +0800, Clocky <notgonna@happen.com>
wrote:

I suppose you can see a difference when using two different brands of
HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much sense.
Click to expand...

Oh Jaysus... now there's a can of worms, much like with the snake oil
cable merchants in the hifi world :)
 
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:42:28 +1100, felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

On 16-January-2016 11:17 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 15/01/2016 6:32 AM, felix wrote:
On 15-January-2016 3:25 AM, Clocky wrote:
On 14/01/2016 9:46 PM, felix wrote:
On 14-January-2016 3:33 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
In aus.electronics felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:
I burnt the same movie on a TDK disc, and it played fine. I
prefer to
use LG tho since I get a better picture from them. TDK discs have
better
colour saturation, but are less clear than LG (not as sharp). no
problem
to turn the colour up a bit on the tv tho when playing an LG disc. I
don't know that many ppl realize that different brands of discs
produce
different results.
That's completely nuts. DVDs use digital MPEG encoded video.
Saying the
picture quality is different depending on the DVD-R brand is like
saying
the same video file looks different when played from a USB memory
stick
compared to from a PC's Hard Disk.


well you can say what you like about it, but I can see the differences
between the two.



No you can't because it's digital.




so I have an over active imagination? I'm not trying to explain it, I'm
just saying how it is. surely discs from different manufactures are not
made exactly the same, so that could explain it. or maybe it's a
function of the electronics processing the signal from the discs
reacting to something inherently different between them?

No, the reason that you can't see the difference is that the
information encoded to the disc is digital which means it's either 0
or 1. That means a 1:1 copy can only have the same information. The
only way you might see a difference is if there are errors and you can
check this verifying or comparing two discs.

If your player isn't reading a particular disc the same, there might
be read errors and the bit rate might be dropped but they don't
manifest in a way you describe by changing how an image looks in the
way you describe over the length of a movie.

What you would see is pixelation and skipping.

You are applying an old analog idea to a digital medium and that just
doesn't work.

the DVD player
is connected to a home theatre amp that upscales the signal to 1080p.
whatever the reason there is a visible difference


I suppose you can see a difference when using two different brands of
HDMI cables too can you, because it makes just as much sense.


well you are completely wrong there because there are visible
differences between HDMI cables. if you can't see them, I can only
assume you do not have equipment of sufficient quality
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You really are a lost cause :)

Any HDMI cables that are *well made* out of reasonable quality
materials and are not faulty in some way and of the same length should
produce the same result.
 
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:58:32 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:n7bt7j$18lg$1@gioia.aioe.org...
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen so you
could see for yourself, but I can't

That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_ plausible
explanation will do.

I don't see felix doing it, but if I wanted to prove this point I would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC, or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player, use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image files.

Trouble is its too easy to photoshop one image to 'prove' whatever you like.
Click to expand...

Can you really see felix using Photoshop??? I can't...
 
On 16-January-2016 3:16 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
"felix" <me@nothere.invalid> wrote in message
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On 16-January-2016 12:58 PM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Computer Nerd Kev" <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote in message
news:n7bt7j$18lg$1@gioia.aioe.org...
In aus.electronics Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
felix <me@nothere.invalid> wrote:

If I could be bothered I would burn the same movie on a LG and
TDK disc,
play each and pause at the same spot, and photograph the screen
so you
could see for yourself, but I can't

That would merely result in a discussion about the perceived
difference in your photographs. If there is a difference between the
images displayed from the different brands of DVDs you can
convince us
all by telling us how the bits recorded on the LG disks could
possibly
differ from the bits recorded on the TDK disks in a way that would
explain your observations. You don't have to be right. _Any_
plausible
explanation will do.

I don't see felix doing it, but if I wanted to prove this point I
would
take screenshots of the DVDs playing on a PC, or if the problem
magically only happens with a real DVD player, use a PC video capture
card (or USB stick) to grab still images of the video as PNG image
files.

Trouble is its too easy to photoshop one image to 'prove' whatever
you like.


duh! the photos would have to be unaltered

Impossible to ensure that, stupid.
Click to expand...

of course. so if I can't be trusted to post unaltered pics then there's
no point in even doing it is there, stupid

Ideally one would want an image of the exact same frame from both
DVDs.
To this end, some DVD players have an option of only pausing on
keyframes, which would make it easier to manually pick the exact same
frame to make an image of.
Click to expand...

--
"As long as there is this book [Koran] there will be no peace in the world"
-William Gladstone, four times PM of Great Britain
http://www.siotw.org/
 
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