Driver to drive?

"Mike Page" <mike@SCRUBeclectic-CAPSweb.BLAMEco.SWENuk> wrote in message
news:WN2dnTVmLuuN7-jcRVnyjg@eclipse.net.uk...
Hassan wrote:
Hello;
I want to design a switching power supply with:
Vin=24 Vdc and Vo=15V @ 7A

I suggest you start with a 24V -> 12V switcher (available at 10A for
vehicular use) and "adjust" it.

Best regards,
Mike.
Possible to use:

http://www.mpja.com/productview.asp?product=14335+PS

Heavy duty.
 
"Brian" <bellis350@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:w_ydnRnZRoAE6ujcRVn-iA@comcast.com...
"Mike Page" <mike@SCRUBeclectic-CAPSweb.BLAMEco.SWENuk> wrote in
message
news:WN2dnTVmLuuN7-jcRVnyjg@eclipse.net.uk...
Hassan wrote:
Hello;
I want to design a switching power supply with:
Vin=24 Vdc and Vo=15V @ 7A

I suggest you start with a 24V -> 12V switcher (available at 10A for
vehicular use) and "adjust" it.

Best regards,
Mike.

--
Mike Page BEng(Hons) MIEE www.eclectic-web.co.uk
Quiet! Tony's battling the forces of conservatism, whoever we are.

Hi Mike,
Is that 10A peak or 10A continous? If that's 10A continous, do you have
a
part number?
Best regards,
Brian
Maybe I misunderstood you, are you talking about an IC or a complete power
supply.
Thanks,
Brian
 
boki wrote:
"Kevin Aylward" <salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote in message
news:<FdLad.30997$ay5.30712@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...
boki wrote:
Dear All,
These days I try to implement some baseband remote control,
I was feeling that is possible to complete control home devices
within baseband communications,

By this I assume you man by "Baseband" as non modulated carrier, low
frequency type stuff.



Why RF? for distance?

You cant get any radio waves with a short antenna at low frequencies.
Secondly, if you could, the authorities wouldn't allow you to.


Why Bluetooh? for handshake?

Because its set at frequencies and uses a method that the authorities
will allow your to use unlicensed. End of story.



I don't know what is your low-frequency definition, and I think it is
very ok to transmit audio in non-RF environment.
Usually below 10khz is ok. Anything with a clock in it, above that
according to FCC needs certification, or it did the last time I
looked.....

I don't think RF main reason is for short antenna.
Indeed it is. You simply can't get any transmit power into the aether at
low frequencies. There is no magic to radio. *Every* ac signal radiates.
Its automatic. The issue is getting a big enough signal with a bit of
wire. Of course there are other reasons like BW etc, but moist
communications don't need much BW.

A method ? Nobody need to apply a 'method' to use Bluetooth frequency.
Well, I would have to check up on what the the authorities allow. RF is
not about what is technially feasable or usfull, its about what
goverments will allow you to use.

That version of story is for children.
And happens to be the best one for adults.

Kevin Aylward
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk
http://www.anasoft.co.uk
SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode
Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture,
Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design.
 
Tom Seim wrote:

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message news:<X9Xcd.32148$QJ3.7300@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...

"Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote in message
news:O0Xcd.32146$QJ3.3575@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...

snip

Cut and paste error. Fixed here!

The P-38 was Airforce, and there were 9,923 made. There are some other
aircraft which used the same dual pod design scheme, but not as graceful as the
P-38 Lightning.

F6F Hellcat was a Navy Carrier based plane, 12,272 were made. Same speed and
climb, about the same power but with a single engine.

Marines flew the F4F-3 Wildcat. Only about 1,500 were produced. While slower,
it was highly maneuverable. One Squadron (Black Sheep 214th) accounted for 94
Japanese planes shot down.


The F4F was anywhere from 34 to 70 mph slower than the P-38, depending
upon model, from specs I have seen. The P-38 had a total hp of 2300,
compared to about 2000 for the F4F. The P-38's ceiling was also much
higher (44K). And the P-38 had a cannon (saw those cannon shells at
Wright-Pat recently - would not want to be in any a/c they hit). The
P-38 also demonstrated a 3,000 mile range - longest of any fighter in
WWII.
IIRC, the big advantage of the P38 was RANGE! After Lindburg visited,
he showed them how to set up the engines to almost double their range,
and suddenly, we had a high performance fighter that could attack at
long distances.

--
Charlie
--
Edmondson Engineering
Unique Solutions to Unusual Problems
 
Winfield Hill wrote:

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote ...

I'm looking for an RF amplifier module that can deliver
2 to 3 watts into 50 ohms, over a 20 to 80MHz (or 120
or 150MHz...) range. Variable gain isn't required, but
would be a plus. My budget price is $100 but higher
is OK. I'll get 5 pieces to start, more if necessary.

Hey, Win! Ten-four, good buddy! Are you going into the
CB biz? (just kidding.)


Nah. This is just the right range for driving EOs
(Electro-Optic Modulators).


Run off 12VDC, or 28VDC?


Any voltage is OK, although driving for 50 ohms wideband
one needs at least 14V peak swing, so a 24 to 28V supply
is usual. If I could get the right RF output transistor
(60V, 10W, not too much capacitance), I'd roll my own!


The guys on alt.radio.pirate deal with these kinds of
things and the dealers who sell them. You might check
there.


OK, I'll ask.


This is for a one-off? Have you tried RF Parts
(http://www.rfparts.com/) for the transistor? They may have a module as
well -- if not they used to carry kits designed from Motorola app notes
which were held in fairly good repute.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
 
Tim Wescott wrote...
Winfield Hill wrote:

Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote ...

I'm looking for an RF amplifier module that can deliver
2 to 3 watts into 50 ohms, over a 20 to 80MHz (or 120
or 150MHz...) range. Variable gain isn't required, but
would be a plus. My budget price is $100 but higher
is OK. I'll get 5 pieces to start, more if necessary.

Nah. This is just the right range for driving EOs
(Electro-Optic Modulators).

The guys on alt.radio.pirate deal with these kinds of
things and the dealers who sell them. You might check
there.

OK, I'll ask.

This is for a one-off? Have you tried RF Parts
(http://www.rfparts.com/) for the transistor? They may have
a module as well -- if not they used to carry kits designed
from Motorola app notes which were held in fairly good repute.
That looks likea good place, thanks I didn't know about them!


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)
 
John Popelish wrote:

Clarence wrote:

"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:41753A07.B1F4C5DE@rica.net...

KM wrote:

John Popelish wrote:

KM wrote:

I have use a LC3803 Linear regurator to design a flyback regurator. A
tronsformer is wind with single primary and double secondary coil (one
for 3volts and one 7volts) the FB was return from 3 volt output. It is
found that the output of 7 volts when unloaded is floating high to 13v
when only 3volts output are loaded. It is found that the overshoot is
causing the raise. What is the possible solution to this?

Are the 3 and 7 volt outputs both positive?
Do the 3 and 7 volt outputs share a common return?
What are the rated full load currents for each output?

both are positive
No, there are individual return separately

That rules out sharing currents in the 3 volt winding.


the rated full load are 2.2A for 3 Volts and 1.2 A for 7volts respectively.

I think I would try winding part of the 7 volt winding bifilar with
the 3 volt winding and putting the rest on top of that. And you will
probably need to add some minimum load to the 7 volt output so that it
is never completely unloaded.
--
John Popelish

How about a "Snubber" on the unloaded winding to control overshoot? I can not
imagine a supply design without some form of rise-time load for a lightly
loaded output. Ripple control is most important at low currents.


Isn't that what a small resistive load across the filter cap amounts
to?
depends what you mean by small, but yeah. likewise for a resistor in
series with the "low" power winding (in this case that wont work as 1.2A
aint small)

cheers
Terry
 
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:53:46 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Paul Burke" <paul@scazon.com> wrote in message
news:2tju58F20get0U1@uni-berlin.de...
Bob Dang wrote:

Greets,
After searching until near exhaustion, I cannot find an electronics
vender that sells a general purpose wire wrap prototyping board.

The lost art of wire wrap. You can buy boards in Eurocard or (perhaps
still) double Euro size. They are matrix boards with just a pad for each
hole. Some also have a plane grid between the pads on one or both sides.
You buy the wirewrap sockets, though you have to use some ingenuity for
anything other than SIL and DIP packages. then wrap the connections,
plug the components in, debug and find that every single problem
requires almost complete unwiring of the board despite your strategic
wrap pattern, so that in theory any given change requires a maximum of
three connections changed.

The upside was that if a design worked in wirewrap, it would certainly
work when you got it on a PCB.

Paul Burke

IF it was all Digital and modest clock rates!
---
LOL... You don't have a clue!

--
John Fields
 
"Bob Dang" <msucka0xff@programmer.net> wrote in message
news:528ec373.0410190921.60842c6a@posting.google.com...
"Tam/WB2TT" <t-tammaru@c0mca$t.net> wrote in message
news:<pPCdnaupvL33x-ncRVn-ig@comcast.com>...
"Bob Dang" <msucka0xff@programmer.net> wrote in message
news:528ec373.0410181542.6c227525@posting.google.com...
Greets,
After searching until near exhaustion, I cannot find an electronics
vender that sells a general purpose wire wrap prototyping board. My
specs call for a Wirewrap Board having female connectors on top to
plug chips and such into with male feedthrough pin posts on the
underside (~13.0 mm) with a grounding plane. It needs to be a board
that one could apply a wire wraping tool against the pole points on
the underside with some wire to create custom design circuits. It is
similar to a bread board, but the main difference being that the wire
connections are made on the underside of the board. Most of my general
searchs have turned up tons of "PCB/PWB layout service" shops, but no
actual part. If you could point me in the general direction...
Thanks,
-Bob

I think Augat used to make these, but not many people wirewrap any more.

Tam


What are people using instead? It's been about four years since I used
one for a design. Also I think I remember the board had tiny caps
without leads attached to reduce the noise.
-Bob
Bob,
The last few boards I have worked on have been 100 % surface mount. We had
tried adapters to map surface mount IC pins to some kind of through hole
pattern, but gave up on that at around 68 pins. You just make a PC board.
Didn't have any 14 or 16 pin ICs, because that was all in CPLDs. That
actually makes some changes simpler, because you just reprogram the CPLD on
the board - no socket required.

Tam
 
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:27:24 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:


Hassan wrote:
Hello;
I want to design a switching power supply with:
Vin=24 Vdc and Vo=15V @ 7A

Possible to use:

http://www.mpja.com/productview.asp?product=14335+PS

Heavy duty.
---
What is it about "design" that you don't understand?

--
John Fields
 
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:43:42 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

"Keith Williams" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bdee1c373bbb9b8989754@news.individual.net...
--
Keith

Had nothing of value to contribute!
---
PKB

--
John Fields
 
"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
news:iiabn0533rru9bu3ti4app8p1lpfdt4b3i@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:43:42 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:

Had nothing of value to contribute!
 
Hassan wrote:
Hello;
I want to design a switching power supply with:
Vin=24 Vdc and Vo=15V @ 7A
Did you get my schematic?
Is it along the lines of what you wanted?
 
Joerg wrote:

Hello Folks,

Just wondering: Are there any low cost small transistors that have the
baker clamp (saturation protection) built in?
That would make them an IC surely ?


Graham
 
"Paul" <oatteaseffen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:462bba80.0410181223.6ec6816e@posting.google.com...
Personally, I think this type of amplifier is more effectively bought
than built today, but if what he has is what you want, it will
probably work reasonably well and is at least built from common parts.
Don't delude yourself that these are truly a high-end product:
Don't delude yourself that High-Cost amps necessarily sound better.

compare
them to mass-production amplifiers costing a little more than the
retail price of all the parts and you won't be disappointed.
You probably will be. It is usually cheaper these days to get a ready made
mass production amplifier than buying similar parts and building it
yourself.

TonyP.
 
"Winfield Hill" <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:cl3nnh029lm@drn.newsguy.com...
Watson A.Name - \"Watt Sun, the Dark Remover\" wrote...

Winfield Hill wrote ...

I'm looking for an RF amplifier module that can deliver
2 to 3 watts into 50 ohms, over a 20 to 80MHz (or 120
or 150MHz...) range. Variable gain isn't required, but
would be a plus. My budget price is $100 but higher
is OK. I'll get 5 pieces to start, more if necessary.

Hey, Win! Ten-four, good buddy! Are you going into the
CB biz? (just kidding.)

Nah. This is just the right range for driving EOs
(Electro-Optic Modulators).

Run off 12VDC, or 28VDC?

Any voltage is OK, although driving for 50 ohms wideband
one needs at least 14V peak swing, so a 24 to 28V supply
is usual. If I could get the right RF output transistor
(60V, 10W, not too much capacitance), I'd roll my own!
I was thinking of using the common HAM method of winding a wideband RF
transformer, bifilar to give 4:1, but turn it so that it's 12.5 ohms
load on the output stage. Like this.
http://www.g3ycc.karoo.net/linear1.htm
More of his stuff here
http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85920178/

Here's another cheap RF transistor:
http://members.tripod.com/~malzev/comp/2sc1971.htm
Hey, your name is at the top! WINTransceiver!


--
Thanks,
- Win

(email: use hill_at_rowland-dotties-org for now)
 
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:22:15 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Hi John,

What smooths the chop into a sine? Leakage inductance in the
transformer?


Nowadays they do a fine PWM adjust over each half-cycle. With modern PWM
chips that wouldn't be a big deal and that is why I don't understand the
price difference. The sine is approximated by increasing and decreasing
duty cycle, or in some cases, bursts.

Just imagine you had an LM3478 with plenty of loop bandwidth and instead
of feeding the feedback pin directly you'd run this through an opamp
first where the other input is fed a sine wave from a DAC. With a uC
this is even easier because you can have the sine pattern laid down in
its flash memory, plus it can drive the H-bridge as well. That is where
a uC might be the most cost effective solution. Still, I wasn't aware
the inverter guys already did that.
There was a company, Nova I think, that did very nice pwm sine
inverters in the 1970's. But I was still wondering how they smooth the
chopping to a sine, given Chris' observation that "There is a small
unit made by TBS in Holland which uses 1 PIC, 2 IR2110 drivers
and a handfull of mosfets. This then feeds a line frequency
transformer. That's all there is in the box." Seems you'd need a
lowpass inductor or a transformer with high-quality leakage inductance
or something.

John
 
On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:33:12 +0000, Don Pearce wrote:

On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:59:21 GMT, "Kevin Aylward"
salesEXTRACT@anasoft.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]

The characteristic impedance of a transmission line is *only* the value
of the lines input impedance when terminated by its characteristic
impedance!

For other loads, the input impedance wil *not* be given only by its
x/Length spec.

This simply isn't so. The impedance of the transmission line does not
change in response to the load on the end of it. What does change is
the impedance of the entire *network* as seen by the source.
That's exactly what I understood Kevin to be saying...

I will admit that I had to read it twice to understand it, though.
[snip]

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
--Mac
 
Bob Dang wrote:

What are people using instead? It's been about four years since I used
one for a design. Also I think I remember the board had tiny caps
without leads attached to reduce the noise.
I go straight to PCB using PCB Pool. It's efficient both in time and
cost, as wirewrapping (except for the simplest of designs) takes an age,
and anyway you need expensive adapters for anything surface mounted,
which means most interesting components these days. It's a cruel trick
they've played on me, shrinking all the components just as my near
vision starts to weaken!

But anyway, going straight to PCB means I have most of the layout done
already when it comes to production.

Paul Burke
 

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor

Back
Top