Driver to drive?

KM wrote:
I have use a LC3803 Linear regurator to design a flyback regurator. A
tronsformer is wind with single primary and double secondary coil (one
for 3volts and one 7volts) the FB was return from 3 volt output. It is
found that the output of 7 volts when unloaded is floating high to 13v
when only 3volts output are loaded. It is found that the overshoot is
causing the raise. What is the possible solution to this?
Are the 3 and 7 volt outputs both positive?
Do the 3 and 7 volt outputs share a common return?
What are the rated full load currents for each output?

--
John Popelish
 
HI Guy,

Thank you for repeating this one. The cable runs along a tall mast. Metal
mast. There is a transceiver on the top. Transceiver input is protected by
surge protector at the input/antenna. Big thick wire runs down. cable is
also within the extends of the metal mast. I believe I am safe. If lightning
strikes, it's pass of least resistance will be the mast. Antenna, then the
mast. I am also doing quite well in terms of grounding of my ends - they are
connected by the mast structure (I just need not to forget to scrap the
paint under the grounding bolt.)

right?


Andrey

"Guy Macon" <http://www.guymacon.com> wrote in message
news:10n8r9bssibad6@news.supernews.com...
Andrey <a8421@intergate.bc.ca> says...

Gentlemen,

thank you all for the comments, I learned a lot.

But you didn't answer my question; do you have a plan to protect
your equipment from lighning strikes?
 
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:21:08 -0700, KM wrote:

I have use a LC3803 Linear regurator to design a flyback regurator. A
tronsformer is wind with single primary and double secondary coil (one
for 3volts and one 7volts) the FB was return from 3 volt output. It is
found that the output of 7 volts when unloaded is floating high to 13v
when only 3volts output are loaded. It is found that the overshoot is
causing the raise. What is the possible solution to this?
What's a linear regurgitator?

Cheers!
Rich
(no offense intended, KM - I'm making a joke about "Engrish" at your
expense. :) )
 
In article <41744695$0$65124$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>,
Frank Bemelman <f.bemelmanx@xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:
Okay, the request is a circuit that pulses an opto coupler,
briefly and just once. It should do so, everytime it is powered
up. Power is 9V.
CMOS 555 and output transistor Frank?

Power up ON-time is the RC charge from 0V to 2/3 Vcc,
(1.1RC), and have the same value discharge resistor
so that the cap is discharged to only 1/2 Vcc.

--
Tony Williams.
 
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:44:58 -0700, Tom Seim wrote:

Was "read my lips" [Bush I] or was it "read my hips" [Clintoon]?
So, since there is no possible rational justification for reelecting the
mass murderer evangelist, you hope to finesse votes by Clinton-bashing?

Figures.

Good Luck!
Rich
 
Bob Dang wrote:

Greets,
After searching until near exhaustion, I cannot find an electronics
vender that sells a general purpose wire wrap prototyping board.
The lost art of wire wrap. You can buy boards in Eurocard or (perhaps
still) double Euro size. They are matrix boards with just a pad for each
hole. Some also have a plane grid between the pads on one or both sides.
You buy the wirewrap sockets, though you have to use some ingenuity for
anything other than SIL and DIP packages. then wrap the connections,
plug the components in, debug and find that every single problem
requires almost complete unwiring of the board despite your strategic
wrap pattern, so that in theory any given change requires a maximum of
three connections changed.

The upside was that if a design worked in wirewrap, it would certainly
work when you got it on a PCB.

Paul Burke
 
"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:L5Xad.2632$6q2.2342@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
Hi All,

Micro controllers can be used to drive a switcher from their PWM output.
Most of us know how to do that. But my question: Is there some nifty
literature on the web or elsewhere about all the trade-offs this entails?

What I mean are trade-offs with respect to PWM granularity, for example.
Suppose the counter runs off 5MHz. In order to arrive at reasonable cost
for the magnetics the PWM output needs to be, say, 300KHz or higher.
That leaves only 4 bits of granularity. So it would idle like a Harley
with worn spark plugs, something that may be ok. Then there is the
feedback. Most uCs with an on-board ADC are out of price range so slope
may have to do. On top of that there may be a limit of one slope
conversion unless eternal muxing is done.

Current mode is another topic. Tough to do on a uC but then again if one
can measure both current and voltage the uC "knows" where about the PWM
should be. But it's all not very precise. Then there is the issue of
making the code that runs the PWM safe and fast enough. After all, one
minor hangup in this area could result in a plume of smoke. Next, there
is the trend to ever lower VCC levels which renders the task of turning
on a FET hard enough non-trivial.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
Gasp!. What's this?, a programmed micro to drive a switcher?.
What's happened to that cost benefit guru. Maybe he's suffered a tad of
(temporary) NG induced mania :)

Surely ... . Hysteretic, 1/2 '393 or 1/4 of 74HC132, one bit. 0.05 currency
units.
regards
john
 
In article <pan.2004.10.19.07.24.24.792050@example.net>,
Rich Grise <rich@example.net> writes:
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:44:58 -0700, Tom Seim wrote:


Was "read my lips" [Bush I] or was it "read my hips" [Clintoon]?

So, since there is no possible rational justification for reelecting the
mass murderer evangelist, you hope to finesse votes by Clinton-bashing?

Actually, Carter wasn't really as much a mass murderer as incompetent
as president. Re-electing him would have no justification. Otherwise,
there has been no 'religious' freak as president in recent years. (Of course,
there are those, like Bush, who aren't shy about their religion, but also
who don't advocate other people having the same religion as him.) If
anything, there is apparently a movement to REPRESS Bush by condemning him
almost whenever he mentions his faith. (When someone mentions that they
pray for guidance, that shouldn't be deemed as being an imposition on you --
unless you are overly sensitive.) The biggest 'evangelist' group here
in the US appears to be those who are 'evangelizing' against religion.

John
 
"Hassan" <hasan5012@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:26acb996.0410181114.ce62dd6@posting.google.com...
Hello;
I want to design a switching power supply with:
Vin=24 Vdc and Vo=15V @ 7A
I am looking for a switcher IC something like LM2678 with integrated
controller and Power Mosfet. But LM2678 has a maximum current
limitation of 5A.
Does any body know an IC which I can use for this project? I mean
something with a controller and power Mosfet just in a package.
I'd say: Don't let the mosfets scare you... Then you have plenty of good
choices!

Cheers,
Anders

Thank you in advance
Hassan
 
ChrisGibboGibson wrote:

Joerg wrote:


Yes, same in medical. After all, doctors are not engineers and are



Ah well that's a help. Most of the people who use inverters *think* they are
engineers and they are the worst type of all for blowing things up.


usually under a lot of stress. So we anticipate all the abuse that we
ever heard of from the Service and QC folks and then redesign in
safeguards.



Which adds to the cost

Re the fuse....


No, it can blow and it should. But it needs to indicate that it did so
and spares must be available. Ideally versions you can by at the local
auto parts store.



You missed the point. In order for this hypothetical inverter to operate to
it's full spec, it's battery fuse must be able to pass 1000 amps for 10
seconds. Now what diode do you propose to use that will blow that fuse and
*never*, not even for 1 pS allow the voltage across it to exceed the voltage
drop of the body diodes in the inverter?


How big would this "idiot"diode" (as we call them) be? Similar size to the
inverter? Bigger?



It could also be a "sacrificial diode". As long as it can be purchased
as a spare at reasonable cost.



Refer to the above and show me one at reasonable cost that will pass 1000 amps
with less voltage drop than the mosfet body diodes for long enough to blow the
fuse.


Now that will add to the product cost
since the contact areas need to be rather huge.


The Prosine is protected against AC backfeed, but it's expensive, so people

buy

the cheap ones which are not protected! Then complain when it blows up when
they backfeed it.



Why is that so expensive? Can't it be a fast sense circuit which rapidly
opens the H-bridge?



Which is indeed what it is in the ProSine. In actual fact protection against
backfeed is almost inherent in this type of inverter and doesn't require *that*
much extra.

But in this case there is very large inductance between the IGBTs and the
output port which thereby slows the voltage rise time as seen by the IGBTs when
it is backfed.

That isn't the case in a modified sinewave inverter so no matter *how* fast you
make the sense circuit, the overcurrent on the IGBTs is instant. They blow at
the same time as the overcurrent circuit senses the problem.

The only way this can work is to increase the output impedance of the voltage
up converter, which thereby reduces the efficiency.

All these suggestions to protect the units are things we looked at 20 years
ago. There is *nothing* that hasn't been suggested, analysed, tried and then
finally rejected!


It took a while but meantime most RF transmitters
are pretty well protected against a sudden loss of antenna connection,



Again you have inductance to help.

It would be somehwhat more difficult to protect the transmitter output against
someone connecting it to another transmitter output with 100 times the power
capability, the same output voltage and an output impedance of about 1 ohm.
Which is a fair analogy to an AC backfeed.

Now think how much more dificult it would be if the original transmitter was
operating in class D.


Or buy an expensive inverter in the first place which has less chance of
failing!



Well, even the most sophisticated equipment can fail. If failure can
cause great harm or losses then I'd always want a spare. Just as I don't
go over a mountain pass, or pretty much anywhere, without a spare tire.
Murphy says that even the best inverter could fail and that if it ever
does it will be on a Saturday afternoon.



Indeed. Which is why have 2 on my boat!


I'd normally agree with that statement. But in the case of inverters, as you
yourself seem to agree, people buy the cheapest (including yourself).



Guilty.


Consequently it has become accepted that inverters blow up all the time.

Only

the cheap ones do that.



I never had one blow up.



But you're not likely to connect it to the batteries the wrong way round, or
backfeed it, or connect a heart interface remote panel to a prosine. Or plug a
temperature sensor into the remote panel, or fill it with salt water etc etc
etc

These are things that get done.

Try a *variable speed* electric drill on it. Don't come asking me to help when
it blows up :)


I see the point. But the cost delta between high end and low end does
not have to be more than 10dB ;-)



It will remain so as long as customers in general buy the cheap ones. When they
finally realise that the expensive ones *are* better the prices will fall even
faster than they already are doing.

I personally would prefer 20dB difference :)

Gibbo
Chris,

dont forget money = power, so 20dB = 100x more expensive.....

Cheers
Terry
 
Terry Given wrote:

[snip]

I personally would prefer 20dB difference :)



Chris,

dont forget money = power, so 20dB = 100x more expensive.....
Or 4 times louder ?

Gibbo
 
In article <pan.2004.10.16.20.39.46.809822@example.net>,
rich@example.net says...
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:24:50 +0000, Clarence wrote:

Oh, aren't those the one's who take all the credit for your work?
^

Well, I'll take credit for charging you two demerits for improper
use of the apostrophe, in this and another post. There is no apostrophe
in the plural "ones".
Ok, what about:

"Oh, aren't those the ones who take all the credit for one's work?"

--
Keith
 
John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:23:39 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:


Can't you answer a direct question? Will the planes be 80 years
old in 2044 or not? Replacing some parts doesn't change the age of
the planes, does it? I suppose if they replaced the whole plane
maybe, but that's not what you're talking about, is it?

I keep telling you , there is no such thing as "the" plane.



Excellent point. They will be 90 years old in 2044, because they flew
as virtual planes for eight years before they were built.

I guess I was wrong again.

John
The airframe is an inanimate object, its lifetime is rated in hours of
operation- your 80 year age comment is dumb.
 
Tom Seim wrote:
Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<4173CE95.2010308@nospam.com>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<4173A0D9.2060704@nospam.com>...


John Larkin wrote:


On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:33:54 +0100, Paul Burridge
pb@notthisbit.osiris1.co.uk> wrote:




On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:18:20 GMT, "Clarence" <no@No.com> wrote:




I liked the P38.
Saw a lot of them at the training base.
Flew half a mile to one side of my house when landing.

The P38 was a double-action Walther 9mm semi-automatic pistol commonly
issued to German troops during WW2. They don't fly - unless you throw
them.



P38 Lightning, the Fork-Tailed Devil. It wasn't that useful over
Europe, but it wreaked hell against the Japanese. It was a flight of
seventeen P38's that ambushed Yamamoto near Bougainville on April 15,
1943.

John


The p38 was much like you- A PIECE OF SHIT!- the Jap zeroes tore them up
big time- no competition. Then the Grumman HELLCAT came along and
turned that picture around -big time- end of story for the Jap Zeroes.


You are amazingly misinformed for a veteran. The label "Fork-Tailed
Devil" was the Japanese term. The superior altitude, speed, armament
and armor of the P38 rendered the Zero defenseless
(http://p-38online.com/):

"On my first confrontation with the P-38, I was astonished to find an
American aircraft that could outrun, outclimb, and outdive our Zero
which we thought was the most superior fighter plane in the world. The
Lightning's great speed, its sensational high altitude performance,
and especially its ability to dive and climb much faster than the Zero
presented insuperable problems for our fliers. The P-38 pilots, flying
at great height, chose when and where they wanted to fight with
disastrous results for our own men. The P-38 boded ill for the future
and destroyed the morale of the Zero fighter Pilot."...Saburo Sakai,
Japanese Ace

Note that your quote is from a Japanese "ace"- well they all became
extinct after the HELLCAT came on board:)


You're still batting ZERO! The Japanese had 8,000 planes and pilots
held in reserve to defend against the inevitable invasion.
Fortunately, the A-bombs precluded that (the plutonium for "Fat Man" -
the Nagasaki bomb - was produced here).
Boy! You sure do read a lot- huh dumbass? And look at all those numbers-
would ya'? sheesh- who can argue with such a powerful intellect?
 
Steve Sands ( alias for David Gathright) wrote:
Shamelessly cut and pasted from www.factcheck.org

At the final presidential debate, Bush said Kerry had passed only five
bills during his career, and Kerry said he had passed 56.
That's not what Kerry said- he said he made significant contributions to
56 pieces pieces of legislation that passed. Do you have any idea of the
time, effort, and staff required to originate Congressional legislation?
It doesn't sound like it. Once again we are confronted with a seriously
ignorant moron, Steve Sands, the alias for David gathright, worthless
Bush campaign operative, distorting the facts.
 
Tom Seim wrote:
Mike Ng <ude.yelekreb.scee.yroc@gnm.ROTATE> wrote in message news:<ckss65$1fl9$1@agate.berkeley.edu>...

Tom Seim wrote:

Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<4170B467.3010603@nospam.com>...


Tom Seim wrote:

....


The GRAND lie of the debates was when Kerry looked into the camera and
said "I will NOT raise your taxes!". Pure bullshit, which you, the
bullshit artist, should instantly recognize.

Oh yeah- and let's not forget the record of the Bush administration
management of the budget. They can't get within 150-200 billion of
actual cost of *anything*. And we're supposed to rely on this crowd to
tell us how much Kerry's plans will cost?- and when they don't even
understand what those plans are? You should be more explicit about
telling people that your charges originate with the Bush campaign- they
are just more slander and deception. But since you're a deceitful fraud
, you try to make it sound like it's an official estimate of some kind-
which it isn't.


The source of my charges is .... [drum roll] .... JOHN KERRY!

He is the one that is making statements that are fiscally impossible.
"I VILL NOT RAISE YOUR TAXES". Come on, do you REALLY believe that?

He said it. We'll see if he follows through on his promise. Unlike W,
Kerry still has his credibility. In 2000 Bush told us that we'd have a
SURPLUS, but now we have a DEFICIT. And it's a pretty bad one too I hear.

And have you forgotten about "read my lips"?


Was "read my lips" [Bush I] or was it "read my hips" [Clintoon]?
That statement is a real good illustration of the depth of your
understanding... pathetic.
 
In article <10n99pqfppovse2@corp.supernews.com>,
Andrey <a8421@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
[...]
also within the extends of the metal mast. I believe I am safe. If lightning
strikes, it's pass of least resistance will be the mast.
The mast will ring at some frequency. For a short time there will be a
zillion watts of RF coupling into the cable.
--
--
kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
 
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:16:47 +0100, "Ian Buckner"
<Ian_Buckner@agilent.com> wrote:

There is a Spitfire mounted on a stand outside Edinburgh Airport.
We also get a number of interesting planes each year for the show
at East Fortune airfield (they have one of the Concordes there now).
I have an enlargement of a press photo of a flypast some years ago
over Edinburgh with a Concorde escorted by a flight of Spitfires.

Regards
Ian

"a Concorde escorted by a flight of Spitfires"

Wow, what a concept; wish I'd been there. And the Spits are still
flying, but the Concorde isn't.

John
 
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@us.ibm.com> wrote


I recommend that you and Mike both go look up Rice's book or Van der Ziel's
book or one of the other classic references on noise, and think about how a
given wave shape produces a histogram.


Have you heard the phrase: "Do not teach your grandmother how to suck eggs"?

The question at hand, as I understand it: "Nose Source with Limiter", is to
produce random numbers, 0's and 1's, from an electronic noise source.

Wave shape and amplitude histograms are of no interest when talking about
random numbers. If, though, you look at the distribution of the length
of strings of 1's and 0's in a random sequence it is indeed Gaussian.

The analog -source- of the signal going to the discriminator has all sorts of
properties. If it is Gaussian and white then the job is (maybe infinitely)
easier. I think that is well understood by all and I heartily agree with
you.


What in the world do you guys understand "Gaussian noise" to be, exactly?


Same thing you do. We just don't care about it. It's the discrimination
part that is interesting: My interest is that it always has a bias and
the bias seems impossible to remove algorithmically.

This is a huge subject, though, and I can understand that folks will latch
onto their own little bit of it: for me it is removing bias from a
discriminator.
For Mr. Hobbs it is the gaussianity (?) of an analog signal.

What was that one about the blind men and an elephant? _Everyone_ has a bit
of the elephant, so lets stop arguing.

I am only talking about the discriminator and what follows.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Consulting Engineer: Electronics; Informatics; Photonics.
Remove spaces etc. to reply: n o lindan at net com dot com

If you guys are going to use a private language, in which "Gaussian" means
something other than "having a Gaussian amplitude distribution", go ahead.
Humpty Dumpty did the same thing to Alice, and look how famous he became!

On the other hand, if you care about communication with other people, it
might be more fruitful to use standard nomenclature.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
 
In article <slrncn6ulp.45j.haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de>,
haude@kir.physnet.uni-hamburg.de says...
On 15 Oct 2004 18:24:14 -0700,
Winfield Hill <Winfield_member@newsguy.com> wrote
in Msg. <ckpt7u0936@drn.newsguy.com

I'm reminded of the old Jimmy Stewart metal fatigue movie.

Which one is that?

"No Highway in the Sky"

--
Keith
 

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