Driver to drive?

On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 06:21:13 UTC, Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC), the renowned root
NoEMail@home.org> wrote:


I could not disagree more with your assertions about AliExpress. If you
receive goods which were either defective or not as represented you
can get your money back but only if you ship the items back to
the sender at your expense. On a recent $105 order with AliExpress,
the shipping cost to return the item was $48. It took weeks of
email exchanges with the sender before they were even willing
to take back the item. My experience with Amazon is the exact
opposite.


Amazon seems to police their vendors, almost to a fault.

They're better than ebay, who are unreasonable

It would be
interesting to know from the vendor side how it feels to deal with a
bad buyer (eg. broke the product, tells lies, etc.)

It happens all the time. Some people try to take advantage, it's part of business.


NT

 

[John Devereux]

Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> writes:

jack4747@gmail.com wrote:


digikey has a shipping cost estimator:
http://www.digikey.com/ordering/shipping/shipcostestimator

and if I remember correctly over 50 or 60$ the shipping is free.
No way! I've made $2000 orders with them on open account, and they still
charge for shipping. Maybe they give you a break for a credit card order,
but I doubt it. They even charge to ship backordered items, which Mouser
will cover for free.

Strange, for internationally shipped orders (to UK) shipping is free if
the order value is above $50.


--

John Devereux

 

[Martin Brown]

On 22/02/2017 04:47, rickman wrote:

I've been fighting computer problems the last few days. My laptop has a
problem where it periodically blue screens mostly with a message
relating to IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Sometimes it gets in a mode where
it won't even boot up without crashing and it can take many tries to get
it to boot. Googling has never come up with much in the way of useful
info. I did find a program that would read the "mini-dump" file and the
error was in the kernal, so nothing useful there. Nearly all the
references I did find referred to it relating to a driver problem. So
why not update some of the drivers?

Before you do anything drastic boot the thing from a Linux live CD and
see if the problem is OS related or a hardware failure. The last time I
had kernel panics was down to bad capacitors on a motherboard, failing
ram and before that a rare race condition on a peripheral controller.

Nirsofts tool is about as good as any for reviewing BSOD crashes for
patterns.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

So I go to the Lenovo site and find one of those cluster f***s that
depend on searches to get you materials. Lots of info is just not
there, like the actual instructions on installing drivers. They give
you lots of versions of the same stuff telling you how to run programs
to identify your system which don't work in safe mode. But nothing on
how to install the driver once you get it.

They assume you have an IT department to do it for you.

I was able to update the wireless driver automatically through device
manager. But the video driver wouldn't update. I found the right
driver at Nvidia and set it to installing... It's been a half an hour
and it's still not done. Task manager shows literally no activity in
the CPU, disk and network. Obviously it is hung. No cancel button. I
click the red X in the corner and it pops up an intimidating message
saying I can't kill the task as it could make my system unstable... like
I have much to lose.

It is generally a very bad idea to install a generic video driver on a
manufacturers bespoke laptop implementation of video hardware. Kill it
and go back to the restore point you did before starting the install.

I am so over this Lenovo piece of crap! I actually bought a new
computer at Costco before the holidays, but the Lenovo ran fairly well
so I returned the new one unopened. Two days later the Lenovo crap
started crashing on startup again. This time it is really bad. If I
can get out of this installation without rendering the computer useless,
I'm going to clone the drive first, then wipe it clean and reinstall
from scratch. It will take weeks to get everything reinstalled, but I
don't see how I have much choice.

Check that you aren't dealing with a hardware fault first!

If the Linux kernel has similar panics and can't run a memory test then
you will waste a lot of time reinstalling windows to no avail.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Tim Wescott]

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 08:35:39 +0000, Martin Brown wrote:

On 22/02/2017 04:47, rickman wrote:
I've been fighting computer problems the last few days. My laptop has
a problem where it periodically blue screens mostly with a message
relating to IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Sometimes it gets in a mode where
it won't even boot up without crashing and it can take many tries to
get it to boot. Googling has never come up with much in the way of
useful info. I did find a program that would read the "mini-dump" file
and the error was in the kernal, so nothing useful there. Nearly all
the references I did find referred to it relating to a driver problem.
So why not update some of the drivers?

Before you do anything drastic boot the thing from a Linux live CD and
see if the problem is OS related or a hardware failure. The last time I
had kernel panics was down to bad capacitors on a motherboard, failing
ram and before that a rare race condition on a peripheral controller.

Nirsofts tool is about as good as any for reviewing BSOD crashes for
patterns.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

So I go to the Lenovo site and find one of those cluster f***s that
depend on searches to get you materials. Lots of info is just not
there, like the actual instructions on installing drivers. They give
you lots of versions of the same stuff telling you how to run programs
to identify your system which don't work in safe mode. But nothing on
how to install the driver once you get it.

They assume you have an IT department to do it for you.

I was able to update the wireless driver automatically through device
manager. But the video driver wouldn't update. I found the right
driver at Nvidia and set it to installing... It's been a half an hour
and it's still not done. Task manager shows literally no activity in
the CPU, disk and network. Obviously it is hung. No cancel button. I
click the red X in the corner and it pops up an intimidating message
saying I can't kill the task as it could make my system unstable...
like I have much to lose.

It is generally a very bad idea to install a generic video driver on a
manufacturers bespoke laptop implementation of video hardware. Kill it
and go back to the restore point you did before starting the install.

I am so over this Lenovo piece of crap! I actually bought a new
computer at Costco before the holidays, but the Lenovo ran fairly well
so I returned the new one unopened. Two days later the Lenovo crap
started crashing on startup again. This time it is really bad. If I
can get out of this installation without rendering the computer
useless,
I'm going to clone the drive first, then wipe it clean and reinstall
from scratch. It will take weeks to get everything reinstalled, but I
don't see how I have much choice.

Check that you aren't dealing with a hardware fault first!

If the Linux kernel has similar panics and can't run a memory test then
you will waste a lot of time reinstalling windows to no avail.

I know that the Ubuntu live CD has memtest on it, to work out the
computer with. If that fails, it's the hardware.



--
Tim Wescott
Control systems, embedded software and circuit design
I'm looking for work! See my website if you're interested
http://www.wescottdesign.com

 

[Wayne Chirnside]

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 23:47:21 -0500, rickman wrote:

I've been fighting computer problems the last few days. My laptop has a
problem where it periodically blue screens mostly with a message
relating to IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Sometimes it gets in a mode where
it won't even boot up without crashing and it can take many tries to get
it to boot. Googling has never come up with much in the way of useful
info. I did find a program that would read the "mini-dump" file and the
error was in the kernal, so nothing useful there. Nearly all the
references I did find referred to it relating to a driver problem. So
why not update some of the drivers?

So I go to the Lenovo site and find one of those cluster f***s that
depend on searches to get you materials. Lots of info is just not
there, like the actual instructions on installing drivers. They give
you lots of versions of the same stuff telling you how to run programs
to identify your system which don't work in safe mode. But nothing on
how to install the driver once you get it.

I was able to update the wireless driver automatically through device
manager. But the video driver wouldn't update. I found the right
driver at Nvidia and set it to installing... It's been a half an hour
and it's still not done. Task manager shows literally no activity in
the CPU, disk and network. Obviously it is hung. No cancel button. I
click the red X in the corner and it pops up an intimidating message
saying I can't kill the task as it could make my system unstable... like
I have much to lose.

I am so over this Lenovo piece of crap! I actually bought a new
computer at Costco before the holidays, but the Lenovo ran fairly well
so I returned the new one unopened. Two days later the Lenovo crap
started crashing on startup again. This time it is really bad. If I
can get out of this installation without rendering the computer useless,
I'm going to clone the drive first, then wipe it clean and reinstall
from scratch. It will take weeks to get everything reinstalled, but I
don't see how I have much choice.

Virus perhaps?
What O.S., likely Windows?
If so obtain yourself a copy of Linux Mint Live and boot to that off of
the DVD and see how you like that maybe?
www.linuxmint.com download and burn the iso to DVD

You do not have to install as you can run it in memory to see how you
like it and if anything it should reveal whether your problem is hardware
or software related.

I am writing this on an old dual core Lenovo and literally none of my
computers have given me any difficulty what so ever in the last 21 years
since making the switch and as I do not game I just never have missed
Winblows.

Not all hardware is 100 percent Linux compliant but I've had little
difficulty on that point and absolutely nothing in the way of constant
headaches which Windows gave me on a near daily basis.

I have literally not had a crash in 21 years though an occasional program
freeze with Firefox or Flash crash but that's OS independent.

 

[rickman]

On 2/22/2017 3:35 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 22/02/2017 04:47, rickman wrote:
I've been fighting computer problems the last few days. My laptop has a
problem where it periodically blue screens mostly with a message
relating to IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL. Sometimes it gets in a mode where
it won't even boot up without crashing and it can take many tries to get
it to boot. Googling has never come up with much in the way of useful
info. I did find a program that would read the "mini-dump" file and the
error was in the kernal, so nothing useful there. Nearly all the
references I did find referred to it relating to a driver problem. So
why not update some of the drivers?

Before you do anything drastic boot the thing from a Linux live CD and
see if the problem is OS related or a hardware failure. The last time I
had kernel panics was down to bad capacitors on a motherboard, failing
ram and before that a rare race condition on a peripheral controller.

Nirsofts tool is about as good as any for reviewing BSOD crashes for
patterns.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/blue_screen_view.html

Thanks for the link. If I have any more trouble I'll try this.

So I go to the Lenovo site and find one of those cluster f***s that
depend on searches to get you materials. Lots of info is just not
there, like the actual instructions on installing drivers. They give
you lots of versions of the same stuff telling you how to run programs
to identify your system which don't work in safe mode. But nothing on
how to install the driver once you get it.

They assume you have an IT department to do it for you.

I was able to update the wireless driver automatically through device
manager. But the video driver wouldn't update. I found the right
driver at Nvidia and set it to installing... It's been a half an hour
and it's still not done. Task manager shows literally no activity in
the CPU, disk and network. Obviously it is hung. No cancel button. I
click the red X in the corner and it pops up an intimidating message
saying I can't kill the task as it could make my system unstable... like
I have much to lose.

It is generally a very bad idea to install a generic video driver on a
manufacturers bespoke laptop implementation of video hardware. Kill it
and go back to the restore point you did before starting the install.

The only way to kill it was to use the power button. Even a soft reboot
hung. But when it came up, the new driver was there, but had an issue,
so I uninstalled it and reinstalled it. I don't recall all the details
now, but it gave all appearances of being impossible to fix at that
point. Since there was no driver, I couldn't get device manager to
install the new one. I tried manually running the NVIDIA installer but
it claimed there was no appropriate hardware. Bizarrely, after some
time the driver magically appears and is now working! I had to do a
reboot to get it 100% but it seems to be updated properly now.

With any luck that will have fixed the BSoD problem.

I am so over this Lenovo piece of crap! I actually bought a new
computer at Costco before the holidays, but the Lenovo ran fairly well
so I returned the new one unopened. Two days later the Lenovo crap
started crashing on startup again. This time it is really bad. If I
can get out of this installation without rendering the computer useless,
I'm going to clone the drive first, then wipe it clean and reinstall
from scratch. It will take weeks to get everything reinstalled, but I
don't see how I have much choice.

Check that you aren't dealing with a hardware fault first!

If the Linux kernel has similar panics and can't run a memory test then
you will waste a lot of time reinstalling windows to no avail.

I tried to run some hardware diagnostic software that installed to a USB
stick to boot from, but that didn't work so it wouldn't boot. Or I
wasn't doing something right to make it boot. Every inch of exploring
this is lined with booby traps. I think IT people deserve a raise.

Once I am happy with the state of this damh machine and I get a new SSD
for it, I will copy the current system over to the SSD and I plan to
make it a dual boot with Linux. Maybe I'll get used to Linux enough
that I'll say goodbye to Windows for good.

--

Rick C

 

[TTman]

SNIP


..

Not all hardware is 100 percent Linux compliant but I've had little
difficulty on that point and absolutely nothing in the way of constant
headaches which Windows gave me on a near daily basis.

I have literally not had a crash in 21 years though an occasional program
freeze with Firefox or Flash crash but that's OS independent.

Just a suggestion, remove and refit the SO DIMM memory a few times, or
try fitting it in an alternate socket if it's available. If you have a
pair, just fit one.
This was a common issue on Sony VAIOs...

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 8:06:05 AM UTC-5, Wanderer wrote:

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 6:32:42 AM UTC-5, olds...@tubes.com wrote:
What is the best place for a hobbiest to buy small amounts of electronic
parts?

I am looking for an online source where I can place orders for a handful
of parts at a time, which does not require $50 or more orders, or charge
huge shipping fees. I am also looking mostly for parts for antique tube
equipment. My typical order would likely be $20 or less of caps,
resistors, and maybe some solder or a tool, and so on....

From what I've seen, Mouser, Digi-Key and Allied seem to be the
biggies... But I have to admit that they have so much in their websites
that I almost feel overwhelmed. And I hear they have large minimums and
shipping, but I never got that far on their websites.... (I have to go
to a public WIFI to use those sites, since I only have dialup at home).

I know ebay is an option too, but ordering each item separately can be a
pain too.

I have been out of this hobby for around 40 years and am getting back
in, but only working on old tube stuff. I remember this stuff like it
was yesterday, but back then, I lived in a city, and there were many
"brick" electronics stores nearby. Now, I live in a rural area, and
aside from the very limited parts at a Radio Shack, (25 miles away)
there are no longer any "brick" stores. Not to mention that much of not
most places seem to cater to solid state devices now. [Times have
changed a lot].

What (if any) online stores will fit my needs?
Maybe its none of these huge stores, but something smaller...

Thanks

I have these links bookmarked

https://www.sparkfun.com/
http://www.jameco.com/
http://www.goldmine-elec.com/
http://www.surplusshed.com/
https://www.adafruit.com/

But I mostly use ebay and I always check the North America Only box, because I hate the Chinese "maybe/someday" shipping policy. It's not fair to the rest of the world. I've had stuff shipped from England with no problems.

A few more...
bgmicro.com
allelectronics.com
mpja.com

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 17:42:52 UTC, Bill Martin wrote:

On 02/22/2017 03:35 AM, tabbypurr wrote:

The main problem with linux is it's in the hands of kids, and most distros have some key problem. But I still wouldn't go back to windows.

hahahaha...who do you think works at M$?

MS oversees them, and despite the many bugs some issues aren't allowed out the door. That doesn't apply to linux.


NT

 

[John Miles, KE5FX]

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:49:51 AM, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:

MS oversees them, and despite the many bugs some issues aren't allowed
out the door. That doesn't apply to linux.

Everyone at Microsoft who was ever any good has long since cashed out
and either retired or headed for even-greener pastures. There's nobody
left at Microsoft *but* kids. Kids who want to be IBM salesmen when
they grow up.

Meanwhile, nobody -- and I mean nobody -- carries the banner of Bill
Gates's old-school technical leadership style like Linus Torvalds does.
I'm not a big Linux guy but I'm rooting for them.

-- john, KE5FX

 

[Bill Martin]

On 02/22/2017 03:35 AM, tabbypurr@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 09:16:50 UTC, rickman wrote:

Once I am happy with the state of this damh machine and I get a new SSD
for it, I will copy the current system over to the SSD and I plan to
make it a dual boot with Linux. Maybe I'll get used to Linux enough
that I'll say goodbye to Windows for good.

The main problem with linux is it's in the hands of kids, and most distros have some key problem. But I still wouldn't go back to windows.


NT

hahahaha...who do you think works at M$?

 

On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:44:57 UTC, John Miles, KE5FX wrote:

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 11:49:51 AM, tabby wrote:

MS oversees them, and despite the many bugs some issues aren't allowed
out the door. That doesn't apply to linux.

Everyone at Microsoft who was ever any good has long since cashed out
and either retired or headed for even-greener pastures. There's nobody
left at Microsoft *but* kids. Kids who want to be IBM salesmen when
they grow up.

Meanwhile, nobody -- and I mean nobody -- carries the banner of Bill
Gates's old-school technical leadership style like Linus Torvalds does.
I'm not a big Linux guy but I'm rooting for them.

I sincerely hope linux - or perhaps something else - makes Windows history. The way MS has treated its customers over the years has certainly earnt my avoidance at every possible opportunity.

If Linux is to do this it needs something it doesn't have today. I suggest a standard each distro can be checked against. This would include things like - and these are issues I've bumped into with popular distros -
- file manager doesn't miss files when copying
- full support for NTFS & FAT32
- basic UI functions such as control c, control v etc. work in all apps
- at least 3 years full support, followed by the software repository remaining available for at least 10 years.
- all bundled software to be stable releases. Repository can contain beta but it must be clearly marked.
- necessary codecs included
etc etc... just basic sense stuff that's needed for a distro to not be some kid's joke.


NT

 

On Thursday, 23 February 2017 00:17:49 UTC, whit3rd wrote:

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 3:20:34 PM UTC-8, tabb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, 22 February 2017 21:44:57 UTC, John Miles, KE5FX wrote:

Meanwhile, nobody -- and I mean nobody -- carries the banner of Bill
Gates's old-school technical leadership style like Linus Torvalds does.


I sincerely hope linux - or perhaps something else - makes Windows history.

If Linux is to do this it needs something it doesn't have today. I suggest a standard each distro can be checked against. This would include ...

- full support for NTFS & FAT32...

Gotcha! NTFS and FAT32 are Microsoft-only, the one because it has only the vaguest of known
specifications (about like MicroChannel in the IBM days) and the other because MS wants
to collect rent on their patented "features". What you want, is for Microsoft to release
the hostages. To another operating system.

FAT & NTFS are used more widely than on MS sytems only. Plenty of linux distros can work with both just fine. Unfortunately some can't.

Microsoft has a plan to rent all the functions of every computer, in every home, on every desk,
and has "never wavered from that vision."

And never will. The hostages need to walk away, but for that to happen Linux needs to up its game, the way I suggested ought to work.


NT

 

On Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:24:57 UTC, BM2335 wrote:

On 23-Feb-17 12:24 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
OT: winmail.dat

Seems we discussed this a few years ago, and I can't remember the
solution...

I'm getting E-mail from a client with attachments "winmail.dat"

How do I view them?

...Jim Thompson



What email client?

There is a plug in for Thunderbird that opens them. I think its called
"lookout".

The solution is to get the sender to re-send the email without
using rich text format (RTF). There is nothing that can be done
in Eudora to solve the problem. (I also still use Eudora.)

As Jim probably has me filtered because I use google groups,
would somebody please be kind enough to forward this to him.

John

 

[Martin Brown]

On 23/02/2017 02:07, rickman wrote:

On 2/22/2017 4:42 PM, rickman wrote:
On 2/22/2017 4:43 AM, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 12:35:47 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 22/02/2017 04:47, rickman wrote:
I've been fighting computer problems the last few days.

Before you do anything drastic boot the thing from a Linux live CD ...

Check that you aren't dealing with a hardware fault first!

Yes, seriously, do NOT attempt software rework until you look
(at the minimum) at a memory test.

I got the new driver loaded although I can't tell you exactly how. I
haven't had the BSoD with at least two boots so that, if not cured, is
an improvement.

The video is very slow now though. So there is something not right. The
only quantitative measure of this I have is the "Windows Experience"
index. The Video has gone from around 6 or 7 down too 2.0/4.0. Seems
they have a Desktop graphics score and a 3D business and gaming graphics
score respectively. It's slow enough to be noticeable so I want to fix
it. Not sure how though. I'm not having as much luck finding info on
this. Google seems to find a lot of gaming related stuff where they
measure performance in fps and no real info on how to fix the issue or
even what is wrong.

I found what is wrong. The Nvidia driver is throwing error 43 and is
being disabled. So I am running with just the Intel driver. I'm not
sure if that is for a video on the Northbridge chip or if it is for a
default minimum functionality required in whoever's video chip is on the
board. In any event, the video runs much slower this way.

You need to find the exact Nvideo driver for the chipset and model
customisations done to your particular portable - the generic Nvideo
chipset driver will almost certainly baulk about loading on a laptop or
if it does load will have serious operational problems.

The basic Intel driver for an i3770 can manage WI 6.5 & 6.5 so what CPU
does your system have? Portable CPUs are less capable but I'd be
surprised if it was as bad as 2.0 unless it has gone back to the most
basic memory mapped bit bashing driver version with no hardware assist.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[rickman]

On 2/23/2017 3:36 AM, Martin Brown wrote:

On 23/02/2017 02:07, rickman wrote:
On 2/22/2017 4:42 PM, rickman wrote:
On 2/22/2017 4:43 AM, whit3rd wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 12:35:47 AM UTC-8, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 22/02/2017 04:47, rickman wrote:
I've been fighting computer problems the last few days.

Before you do anything drastic boot the thing from a Linux live CD ...

Check that you aren't dealing with a hardware fault first!

Yes, seriously, do NOT attempt software rework until you look
(at the minimum) at a memory test.

I got the new driver loaded although I can't tell you exactly how. I
haven't had the BSoD with at least two boots so that, if not cured, is
an improvement.

The video is very slow now though. So there is something not right. The
only quantitative measure of this I have is the "Windows Experience"
index. The Video has gone from around 6 or 7 down too 2.0/4.0. Seems
they have a Desktop graphics score and a 3D business and gaming graphics
score respectively. It's slow enough to be noticeable so I want to fix
it. Not sure how though. I'm not having as much luck finding info on
this. Google seems to find a lot of gaming related stuff where they
measure performance in fps and no real info on how to fix the issue or
even what is wrong.

I found what is wrong. The Nvidia driver is throwing error 43 and is
being disabled. So I am running with just the Intel driver. I'm not
sure if that is for a video on the Northbridge chip or if it is for a
default minimum functionality required in whoever's video chip is on the
board. In any event, the video runs much slower this way.

You need to find the exact Nvideo driver for the chipset and model
customisations done to your particular portable - the generic Nvideo
chipset driver will almost certainly baulk about loading on a laptop or
if it does load will have serious operational problems.

I'm not clear on what you think has been "customized" for this laptop.
Are you suggesting the chip is not the same chip other models of
computers use? Or are you saying there are special drivers for the rest
of the board, so the graphics driver has to match?

The basic Intel driver for an i3770 can manage WI 6.5 & 6.5 so what CPU
does your system have? Portable CPUs are less capable but I'd be
surprised if it was as bad as 2.0 unless it has gone back to the most
basic memory mapped bit bashing driver version with no hardware assist.

"Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600" is the only driver installed and working.

I looked for a driver on the Lenovo site but nothing there seems to work
as it should starting with all the diagnostic tools, the ID tools and
the driver. Nothing on the Lenovo web site alters my opinion that the
Lenovo name is pure crap!

--

Rick C

 

[BM2335]

On 23-Feb-17 7:39 PM, jrwalliker@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, 23 February 2017 05:24:57 UTC, BM2335 wrote:
On 23-Feb-17 12:24 PM, Jim Thompson wrote:
OT: winmail.dat

Seems we discussed this a few years ago, and I can't remember the
solution...

I'm getting E-mail from a client with attachments "winmail.dat"

How do I view them?

...Jim Thompson



What email client?

There is a plug in for Thunderbird that opens them. I think its called
"lookout".

The solution is to get the sender to re-send the email without
using rich text format (RTF). There is nothing that can be done
in Eudora to solve the problem. (I also still use Eudora.)

As Jim probably has me filtered because I use google groups,
would somebody please be kind enough to forward this to him.

John

..

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

Jim Thompson wrote:

OT: winmail.dat

Seems we discussed this a few years ago, and I can't remember the
solution...

I'm getting E-mail from a client with attachments "winmail.dat"

How do I view them?

Fentun at www.fentun.com

It was written in the 90's but it works and doesn't need installation.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2017-02-23, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

OT: winmail.dat

Seems we discussed this a few years ago, and I can't remember the
solution...

I'm getting E-mail from a client with attachments "winmail.dat"

How do I view them?

TNEF is the magic word. there's several tools. pick one.

--
This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software

 

On Friday, 24 February 2017 10:01:02 UTC, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2017-02-22, tabbypurr wrote:

I know you're trolling, but I'm responding anyway.

If Linux is to do this it needs something it doesn't have today. I suggest a standard each distro can be checked against. This would include things like - and these are issues I've bumped into with popular distros -
- file manager doesn't miss files when copying
- full support for NTFS & FAT32

Why? NTFS is only of historical interest.

- basic UI functions such as control c, control v etc. work in all apps

you want to break existing user intefaces to use a "standard" that was
invented years after the applications were written?

- at least 3 years full support, followed by the software repository
remaining available for at least 10 years.

If you want a perpetual repo download debian. it's only a few hundered gigabytes.

- all bundled software to be stable releases. Repository can contain beta but it must be clearly marked.

Sounds like debian.

- necessary codecs included

necessary for what? do you mean firmware?

I'm not trolling, but I'm pretty sure you are.