Driver to drive?

[Maynard A. Philbrook Jr.]

In article <liij1p$tnl$1@news.datemas.de>, panteltje@yahoo.com says...

On a sunny day (Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT)) it happened panfilero
panfilero@gmail.com> wrote in
3cc79148-b2ec-4410-a66a-51666fa01053@googlegroups.com>:

I'm interested in sensing AC and DC currents, 0-8A nominally, but up to 160=
A for 10msec current surges from both AC and DC sources... I'm after the be=
st resolution I can get... I don't know if it's possible to do this for bot=
h AC and DC off the same current sense circuit... I was thinking a shunt th=
rough a current sense amplifier then to an RMS to DC converter IC... but I'=
m not sure if this is the best approach... any suggestions?

much thanks!

I have some nice Hall sensor based DC sensors....
No shunt losses.
http://nl.farnell.com/lem/hx-10-p-sp2/current-transducer/dp/1617421
There are lower current models too.

I have a couple of current clamps for scopes or DMM coming that can
do like 20mA up to 65 or 650 Amps scaled to mV.

These only have 20khz response time but close enough for what I want
them for and the price is acceptable since the upper units can't seem to
do much better, so why pay for them?

Jamie

 

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 2:41:28 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:

Yeah, right. If anybody's going to be standing in the way when that

thing comes down a 20 degree ramp with four tons of metal on it, I'd

much rather it were you than me.


Cheers



Phil Hobbs







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Principal Consultant

ElectroOptical Innovations LLC

Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics



160 North State Road #203

Briarcliff Manor NY 10510



hobbs at electrooptical dot net

http://electrooptical.net

It does take a certain amount of fortitude to work the loading dock...

 

[Tim Williams]

"John Devereux" <john@devereux.me.uk> wrote in message
news:87wqeq31z9.fsf@devereux.me.uk...

It was in fact always *possible*, but a real PITA as you say and it did
make it impossible to write in a general purpose way. The ARM cortex
parts are much nicer to work with.

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2031+204200&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=nucleo&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial

What's that, $10 for a cortex M4 development system with a general
purpose JTAG/SWD debugger included. Add ARM GCC + openocd + eclipse and
you get a modern c/c++ development system, absolutely suitable for
professional use, for $10.

Not to mention the increased SRAM. Allocate your arrays and let C figure
it out, who needs Flash!

Tim

--
Seven Transistor Labs
Electrical Engineering Consultation
Website: http://seventransistorlabs.com

 

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 23:20:51 -0700, miso <miso@sushi.com> wrote:

>Some vendors insist on getting a signature.

Those vendors don't get it.

>You can't fart in the US today without ID.

Two sides, to be sure.

 

[Martin Riddle]

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:47:33 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

We ordered a Universal pick-and-place machine. Wound up getting a dual-head one
sort of by accident.

We have a dinky electric forklift, and the biggest box in the delivery was
supposed to be 5000 pounds. So we rented a huge yellow diesel-powered forklift
to unload the shipment.

Well, the truck showed up this morning, and the biggest pallet weighed 7500
pounds, and the yellow forklift couldn't unload it. So we called the forklift
company and, in half an hour, they pulled up a huge flatbed with a gigantic
green forklift. At this point, we are double-parked on both sides of Otis
Street, with the bus stop coned off, basically several capital offenses in San
Francisco.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Double_Parked.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Truck_Load.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Green_Forklift.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/7500_Lbs.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Shiny.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Bus_Stop.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Giants.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Small_Box.JPG

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/11_Boxes.JPG

It's weird that a machine that places parts the size of ants has to weigh five
tons and comes on 11 pallets.

Oh, this is our new optical inspection machine. It inspected its first PCB
assembly in four seconds.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53724080/Gear/PnP/Mirtec.JPG

Go Giants !

Cheers

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2014-04-12, krw@attt.bizz <krw@attt.bizz> wrote:

On Sat, 12 Apr 2014 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:



no I haven't stalled a saw that would be pointless, I back off when I
can hear it bog down

So you admit that you're lying, now.

ok, I'm dense, please explain in what direction that force will be?

Ever hear of "kick-back"?

kick back is a fault condition where the sides of the saw blade
contact the cut,

a 8.25" saw running at 3000 RPM so the teeth are doing

50Hz x 0.21m x pi = about 33m/s

with a 1 hp motor behind it that's

745W / 33m/s = 22N

so about 5 pounds-force in American units

some of that force will not be parrallel to the cut and will be
pulling the work against the baseplate instead of pushing against the
saw's progress, and so won't be felt by the operator.

that force figure may seem a little low, I'm basically guessing based on the
specs found here.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-15-Amp-8-1-4-in-Magnesium-Circular-Saw-5008MGA/100659890#specifications

5200 max RPM, so I picked 3000 as the working speed, which sounds
about right, I think I've pushed harder on smallr a saw without
slowing it that much it

I guess that means the motor is more than 1 horsepower, as they claim.

Next time I'm cutting s panel I might fit my saw with a reluctsnce
pickup and measure the speed and power at the same time, probably not
until summer.

--
umop apisdn


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[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Wed, 16 Apr 2014 02:19:59 GMT) it happened Ralph Barone
<address_is@invalid.invalid> wrote in
<74523550419266093.557672address_is-invalid.invalid@shawnews>:

Jan Panteltje <panteltje@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 14 Apr 2014 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT)) it happened panfilero
panfilero@gmail.com> wrote in
3cc79148-b2ec-4410-a66a-51666fa01053@googlegroups.com>:

I'm interested in sensing AC and DC currents, 0-8A nominally, but up to 160=
A for 10msec current surges from both AC and DC sources... I'm after the be=
st resolution I can get... I don't know if it's possible to do this for bot=
h AC and DC off the same current sense circuit... I was thinking a shunt th=
rough a current sense amplifier then to an RMS to DC converter IC... but I'=
m not sure if this is the best approach... any suggestions?

much thanks!

I have some nice Hall sensor based DC sensors....
No shunt losses.
http://nl.farnell.com/lem/hx-10-p-sp2/current-transducer/dp/1617421
There are lower current models too.

" No shunt losses". OK, since we all know that TANSTAAFL, would anyone
care to estimate what the additional impedance of running a wire past a
Hall effect sensor is? It takes real force to push those electrons and
holes around, you know. Just the thought of calculating the answer makes my
brain hurt.

You could avoid that pain by spending 6 dolars and measuring it?
Or is measuring no longer of this age, and is slimulation required?

PS
There is an other way:
http://panteltje.com/pub/play_back_head_current_sensor_img_1153.jpg

That is an old playback head from a walkman against a mains lead.
Very little losses in the straight wire,
very good frequency response (to kHz).
You can set the sensitivity by moving the head further away.
High output voltage (directly into opamp here).
Good linearity (audio like).

But, again, it needs calibration, send 1A current measure output, you repeat for other currents,
get curve,,,
No slimulation will do that for you.
Cannot beat the price I think.
Good isolation too.

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, 16 April 2014 19:18:15 UTC+10, Martin Brown wrote:

On 15/04/2014 23:05, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:01:24 UTC+10, haitic...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

I don't blame you! Homeopathy is a hard pill to swallow! But so are the health benefits of networks of friends!

Homeopathy can't work. If you dilute your medicine enough that there's very little chance of a single molecule of the medicine being present in the medicine you take, it's game over.

It depends a bit on the semantics of what you mean by "can't work". It
works every bit as well as any other placebo effect based sugar pill.

At least there's something in the sugar pill that the patient can detect. Homeopathy doesn't tout itself as marshaling the patient's own powers of resistance, so while it may be a way of doing that, it isn't functioning as a homeopathic remedy when it works as a placebo.

ISTR some research that showed that placebo effect based pills with very
mild harmless side effects were even more effective at treating annoying
hypochondriacs with chronic conditions than mere sugar pills. The
placebo effect can be a significant factor.

Obviously, it's easier to believe that something with some effect (no matter how irrelevant that effect is) is helping your problem

The "theory" behind homeopathy doesn't hold water (excuse the pun).

I reckon all homeopaths should have to spend at least a year in a
malaria country protected only by their quack "medicine" before being
allowed to practice. That would thin them out pretty effectively.

Malaria doesn't reliably kill adults. About 35% of malaria deaths are in people over the age of 15, so an unprotected year in a malaria country wouldn't kill nearly enough homeopaths. Cholera would be better. Oral re-hydration therapy works fine, but only if the sugar and the salt are present in roughly the right proportions (30ml sugar, 2.5 ml salt per litre of water). Homeopaths would be tempted to dilute it with more water ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_rehydration_therapy

Lets see how many actually believe the homeopathic crap that they peddle
so expensively to the worried well.

The greedy hypocrites are lot less dangerous than the lunatics who actually believe the theory.

The health benefits of having friends are a lot more real and obvious.

Indeed. Although it is also likely that being lonely is bad for you too.

That's a reformulation of the same proposition. If having friends is good for you, not having friends is bad for you.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Devereux]

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> writes:

haiticare2011@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 14, 2014 6:09:57 PM UTC-4, Mike Perkins wrote:
I ordered components from DigiKey a short while ago.
Unfortunately no one was in when UPS delivered.
The UPS UK website says that 3 delivery attempts will be made.
However the consignment has gone to a "shop" and is now stuck there.
UPS require "government photo-ID" for me me to retrieve the consignment
from the shop and I currently don't have any at hand and UPS won't
attempt any more deliveries.

Yes I can get my photo-ID but it's not at hand at the moment, I can have

something sent to me, but this is all very silly and myopic.

Has anyone else been in the same situation and how did they overcome the

problem?

tough. I have to admit - some parts of the story dont make sense. You say that
UPS will try 3X, but they tried once and now package is stuck at their shop. ???


One idea is systematically make phone calls higher and higher in UPS.
That will only piss them of, and i absolutely guarantee that the
package will disappear off the face of the earth and it will be
impossible to get UPS to pay their so-called insurance.

It is *Digikeys* problem. Failing that, in the UK, it is the credit card
companies problem.


--

John Devereux

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Wednesday, 16 April 2014 19:39:28 UTC+10, Martin Brown wrote:

On 15/04/2014 23:10, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:29:38 UTC+10, haitic...@gmail.com wrote:

LIBERAL HOAX #3 - Carcinogens



I want to add the area of carcinogens in the environment. This piece of flim-flam is beloved of the government because they can "protect us" and make us passive in the face of a major threat. Centralized government is desperate to find a way to be useful, because it makes them look good, and maybe in some there is a twinge of guilt about their theft of money from the economy.



So insulate your roof with loose asbestos.



You'll get mesothelioma, and so will your kids, but not fast enough to get you out of the gene pool early enough to do any good.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma



As the unfortunate punk rock guru Malcolm McClaren knows to his cost.



http://metro.co.uk/2010/04/12/malcom-mclaren-exposed-to-asbestos-in-sex-shop-233221/



He is unusually high profile most of the other fatalities have been low

profile laggers, boilermen and furnace workers in industrial plant.



snipped the rest of the pig-ignorant twaddle

beta-naphthylamine would be a lot more effective and is extremely potent
against males - causing a lethal bladder cancer in most men. It was
amongst the first serious industrial carcinogens to be identified in the
dyestuffs industry and is now largely banned worldwide.

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/twelfth/profiles/naphthylamine.pdf

Smokers are also exposed to it in tobacco smoke and bladder cancer will
shorten their life expectancy if their heart or lungs don't fail first.

Tobacco smoke contains a wide variety of carcinogens. My father was heavy smoker until his heart started acting up when he was in his early sixties.

He die of kidney cancer when he was 82, rather than lung cancer - I never got around to telling him that kidney cancer is twice as common amongst heavy smokers (more than 20 cigarettes a day) than it is in the general population. The risk is supposed to go back to normal if you've not smoked for ten years, and he'd not smoked for nearly twenty years when the kidney cancer showed up, so perhaps my restraint was justified.

Cancer theory says that it takes about six individual mutations to turn a normal stem cell into a cancer stem cell, and one would imagine that any period of inhaling mutagens would give them a head start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knudson_hypothesis

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Martin Brown]

On 16/04/2014 08:41, John Devereux wrote:

Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> writes:

haiticare2011@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, April 14, 2014 6:09:57 PM UTC-4, Mike Perkins wrote:
I ordered components from DigiKey a short while ago.
Unfortunately no one was in when UPS delivered.
The UPS UK website says that 3 delivery attempts will be made.
However the consignment has gone to a "shop" and is now stuck there.
UPS require "government photo-ID" for me me to retrieve the consignment
from the shop and I currently don't have any at hand and UPS won't
attempt any more deliveries.

Yes I can get my photo-ID but it's not at hand at the moment, I can have

something sent to me, but this is all very silly and myopic.

Has anyone else been in the same situation and how did they overcome the

problem?

tough. I have to admit - some parts of the story dont make sense. You say that
UPS will try 3X, but they tried once and now package is stuck at their shop. ???


One idea is systematically make phone calls higher and higher in UPS.
That will only piss them of, and i absolutely guarantee that the
package will disappear off the face of the earth and it will be
impossible to get UPS to pay their so-called insurance.

It is *Digikeys* problem. Failing that, in the UK, it is the credit card
companies problem.

Not really. UPS has strict identification requirements for collection of
the parcel. The recipient has the choice of either satisfying their
overly strict requirements or not collecting his package.

Plenty countries require photoID when collecting potentially valuable
parcels. The OP's problem is his lack of any convenient photoID and the
UKs totally haphazard list A/list B approach to "proving" your identity.

If you don't have a UK passport or modern UK drivers licence you are
pretty well stuck if asked to produce "government photoID".

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

On 16/04/2014 00:35, krw@attt.bizz wrote:

On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 23:20:51 -0700, miso <miso@sushi.com> wrote:

Some vendors insist on getting a signature.

Those vendors don't get it.

I expect they do.

Otherwise you get claims for goods not delivered, stolen off the
doorstep or ruined by being left out in the elements.

It comes in very handy when the courier has delivered your goods to the
wrong address entirely and checking the signature shows indeed that
"someone" has signed for it, but that someone is *NOT* you.

That said most of my regular carriers know where they can hide stuff if
I am not in and these modern digital signature slates make it almost
impossible to do much more of a signature than "his mark" X.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

[Martin Brown]

On 16/04/2014 01:53, mike wrote:

On 4/15/2014 6:03 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 15/04/2014 13:20, mike wrote:
On 4/15/2014 3:49 AM, John Fields wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 23:09:57 +0100, Mike Perkins <spam@spam.com
wrote:

I ordered components from DigiKey a short while ago.
Unfortunately no one was in when UPS delivered.
The UPS UK website says that 3 delivery attempts will be made.
However the consignment has gone to a "shop" and is now stuck there.

UPS require "government photo-ID" for me me to retrieve the
consignment
from the shop and I currently don't have any at hand and UPS won't
attempt any more deliveries.

Yes I can get my photo-ID but it's not at hand at the moment, I can
have
something sent to me, but this is all very silly and myopic.

Has anyone else been in the same situation and how did they overcome
the
problem?

Carry the photo id with you at all times. Dunno where you live, but
here in the land that used to be free, it's necessary for many
transactions.

He is in the UK and thanks to the Magna Carta there is no need to carry
government issued photo ID around with you here. New drivers licenses
and passports have a photo but there is no compulsion to carry either.

Proof of ID here relies on a haphazard list of random documents
including utility bills and existing bank cards. It is barking mad.

Previous government tried to issue ID cards but cocked it up big time!

Unless he can find his passport the UPS parcel is stuck in the shop.


If a person expects to exist in any environment, they need to
understand and comply
with whatever requirements are imposed by the system.

The point is that the system in the UK is different to in the US - we
don't have any form of national government issued photo ID card.

I am not defending the status quo. I think it is barking mad. I have
lived in Japan and Belgium both of which do have national identity cards
and the Japanese Alien one even includes a fingerprint.

Failure to carry documentation required by the government or a business
or anybody means that you don't get the job done. That's your problem,
not the problem of UPS.

Whilst I agree. The point I am making is that it is perfectly possible
to live in the UK and have *NO* government issued photoID whatsoever.

My mother has no valid UK passport and has never driven a car in her
life. The closest to "government photoID" she has is a local council
issued Bus Pass and Blue Disabled Parking badge with her photo on it.

It's really no different from making a phone call. If you don't have
the number with you, you don't get to make the call. And it's nobody's
fault but your own. Bitching about it won't help.

There is a slight difference in that to get a UK passport or drivers
licence you will have to expend a fair chunk of money and time.

Very few people carry either document around with them routinely.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Monday, April 14, 2014 4:05:15 AM UTC-4, Martin Brown wrote:

Actually no you are wrong. The fault in this case lies in the Unix based
OpenSSL and it was used by many banks and other corporate secure
websites. Tools are available now to check if the dozy b*stards have
fixed their sites and the only sensible thing to do is change your
password(s) on all affected sites once they are secure again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/heartbleed-bug-undermines-the-safety-of-nearly-two-thirds-of-the-web-9247918.html?origin=internalSearch

For once MickeySoft is not guilty. This was an entirely open source MFU!

Not necessarily a MFU.

In this TED talk (recorded in March), starting at ~18:00, Snowden
describes a deliberate, concerted effort to compromise SSL:

SNOWDEN: "[Bullrun]... They're building in backdoors that not only
the NSA can exploit, but anyone else who has time and research to find
it [...] if we lose the trust of SSL--which was specifically targeted [...]"

http://www.ted.com/talks/edward_snowden_here_s_how_we_take_back_the_internet

Since Google reported the "bug" April 1, the talk appears to predate
the HeartBleed story.

"Never attribute to malloc() ..." --Hacker's Razor

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Martin Brown]

On 15/04/2014 23:05, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:01:24 UTC+10, haitic...@gmail.com wrote:

Friends are more important than diet or anything else!

Explain that, materialist scientists!

When I see things like that, I am hesitant to dismiss homeopathy completely.

When you write that, I have no hesitation in dismissing you completely.

I don't blame you! Homeopathy is a hard pill to swallow! But so are the health benefits of networks of friends!

Homeopathy can't work. If you dilute your medicine enough that there's very little chance of a single molecule of the medicine being present in the medicine you take, it's game over.

It depends a bit on the semantics of what you mean by "can't work". It
works every bit as well as any other placebo effect based sugar pill.

ISTR some research that showed that placebo effect based pills with very
mild harmless side effects were even more effective at treating annoying
hypochondriacs with chronic conditions than mere sugar pills. The
placebo effect can be a significant factor.

The "theory" behind homeopathy doesn't hold water (excuse the pun).

I reckon all homeopaths should have to spend at least a year in a
malaria country protected only by their quack "medicine" before being
allowed to practice. That would thin them out pretty effectively.

Lets see how many actually believe the homeopathic crap that they peddle
so expensively to the worried well.

> The health benefits of having friends are a lot more real and obvious.

Indeed. Although it is also likely that being lonely is bad for you too.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:20:01 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:

On 15/04/14 18:01, haizticare2011v@gmail.ccom wrote:
x


Friends are more important than diet or anything else!



Explain that, materialist scientists!


snip snip

The determining factor for me about "Hoaxes" is the following:

1. they involve a large amount of money in the perps pockets
2. they involve disinformation to a large group of people
3. official bodies are usually involved.
4. "true believer" advocates push the beliefs in public as proven fact


The reason I go easy on Homeopathy is it's small change compared to the hidden
hoaxes. Homeopathy is a "Brave New World" hoax. It is a hoax that the pols
point to and say: "See, there is a hoax." An official hoax.
Now, if the structure of institutional science itself is largely a hoax, then
a minor hoax like homeopathy provides a welcome distraction, doesn't it?

In sum, it is a "red herring."

 

[Martin Brown]

On 15/04/2014 23:10, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Wednesday, 16 April 2014 02:29:38 UTC+10, haitic...@gmail.com wrote:
LIBERAL HOAX #3 - Carcinogens

I want to add the area of carcinogens in the environment. This piece of flim-flam is beloved of the government because they can "protect us" and make us passive in the face of a major threat. Centralized government is desperate to find a way to be useful, because it makes them look good, and maybe in some there is a twinge of guilt about their theft of money from the economy.

So insulate your roof with loose asbestos.

You'll get mesothelioma, and so will your kids, but not fast enough to get you out of the gene pool early enough to do any good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma

As the unfortunate punk rock guru Malcolm McClaren knows to his cost.

http://metro.co.uk/2010/04/12/malcom-mclaren-exposed-to-asbestos-in-sex-shop-233221/

He is unusually high profile most of the other fatalities have been low
profile laggers, boilermen and furnace workers in industrial plant.

snipped the rest of the pig-ignorant twaddle

beta-naphthylamine would be a lot more effective and is extremely potent
against males - causing a lethal bladder cancer in most men. It was
amongst the first serious industrial carcinogens to be identified in the
dyestuffs industry and is now largely banned worldwide.

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/roc/twelfth/profiles/naphthylamine.pdf

Smokers are also exposed to it in tobacco smoke and bladder cancer will
shorten their life expectancy if their heart or lungs don't fail first.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

 

The best guy to listen to about this is Prof. Bruce Ames, originator of the "Ames Carcinogen test." He now says that all the dangerous carcinogens is just a bunch of bunk. (bruce ames yourtube) He is THE main man on carcinogens, and at age 80, says his life work (or that part of it - he did work on mitochondrial aging and aging in general which is very current.) -was mistaken.



Wrong. "He was concerned that overzealous attention to the relatively minor health effects of trace quantities of carcinogens may divert scarce financial resources away from major health risks, and cause public confusion about the relative importance of different hazards."




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Ames



He isn't saying that there aren't any carcinogens around - rather that there are lots, many of them natural, and that getting too fussed about trace quantities of the less potent carcinogens can be a waste of time and a distraction from more serious health risks.



As usual, you have misunderstood the message.

I'm sorry I have hurt your feelings, but it is you who have misunderstood the
message. I have known Bruce Ames personally as well as reading his published
papers. You should read them if you want to understand him.

To correct your misunderstanding of my message:

1. There has been a huge emphasis on the 20,000 carcinogens, as I explained to you.
2. Bruce Ames states categorically that carcinogens cause 1% of cancers, poor nutrition causes 99%.

I am guessing that you think big government is a kind of wise mentor maybe, but
there is no way to misinterpret Ames's position, as you have done.

Now, I may have been at fault for not saying "invisible carcinogens." The carcinogens that the EPA (here) is concerned to protect us from are not the
obvious poisons like working with asbestos for 30 years, but the every day
exposure to a myriad of minor carcinogens which number in the thousands.
You should read his scientific papers in PNAS, etc. And again, if you disagree
with what I am saying, then show me in the scientific papers where I misinterpret him. Ames is very categorical about this - it's radical.

And several more points: Many, if not most, government scientists at EPA
disagree with Bruce Ames. You may also. But Prof. Bruce Ames is not lightly
dismissed, nor his work distorted. He is making a radical statement.
Second, Bruce Ames is the foremost authority on carcinogens out there.


Finally, my definition of a "scientific hoax" is it fills roughly these aspects:
1. A group makes big money from it.
2. an official body supports it.
3. a widespread belief is promulgated about it.
4. A group of "true believers" defends it to the bitter end.


The carcinogen industry has a huge bureaucracy and has those who believe
anything Daddy Sam tells them. Unfortunately, the main proponent, Bruce Ames,
has jumped ship. How embarrassing!

--

Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

On Monday, April 14, 2014 7:12:09 PM UTC-4, haitic...@gmail.com wrote:

I can't give an exhaustive list, due to time constraints, but here is the first. It is:



The Human Genome Project



This has been a dismal failure. A worm has similar DNA to ours. Here is just one

brief view of it: I have heard supposedly intelligent PhD's say that "everything

about us is determined by DNA." And VC's went along with this hoax.



But even a high school student in Biology 1A knows that the genotype and a

phenotype both interact to produce the organism.



Without going into details, the perpetrators of the HGP lured investors by

promising that patentable DNA sequences would predict cancer, and the like.

But any cancer researcher knows that only a small percentage are linked to

genetics.



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I'm open to any suggestions of further scientific flim-flam. On my list are

AI, medical research, much nano-technology, alternative energy, climate change,

SSRI drugs, medical treatments, IPhone, IOT...

Supposedly the emu possesses a complete dinosaur genome, it just needs to be activated, can't wait for that one. I also want a flock of those chickens from hell too, they have to lay some large sized eggs.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140319195817.htm

 

YET ANOTHER HOAX - influenza vaccinations

Due to time limitations, I am going to just state a few observations about flu
vaccines, and deal with the howls of protest later on.

1. The theory of flu vaccines is you track each year's viruses and prepare a
careful vaccine contra. However, this process is done behind closed doors by
a government complex which has little transparency. There have been a number of
shut-downs and scandals about poor preparation facilities. Exactly what I am
saying is: You really don't know exactly what protein is in the vaccine. And
please don't give me the line about hard-working and above-average government
employees.

2. vitamin D3 out-performs the flu vaccine, according to several studies. D3 is broad-band, FV is narrow-band. Isn't it strange that the medical establishment
is falling all over themselves to remind us of the vaccines, but doesn't check
vitamin D status????

3. I am a biochemist, and was running the protein sequence of a cold virus at
the Georgetown Hospital in D.C. I saw, in this rhinovirus, an extended sequence
for a human nose protein! At first, I did a double-take, but then realized
that the virus includes it to escape immune surveillance. And this may be a
general influenza strategy as well. So - follow me on this - as the vaccine is
created, they include various epitopes from the virus, some of which may be
"self." Then the viral epitopes are mixed with an adjuvant to promote an immune
reaction.
So it is possible that you are being immunized against your self! I am not
saying I have any proof of this, just that it is a possible drawback not shared
by D3.


Conclusion
Here is a common sense test for you. D3 proven more effective than vaccination
against flu. The establishment does not promote D3. Big Pharma and est. makes
$$$ from vaccines. QED = HOAX.