Drill tripping earth leakage protector

[ant]

Creative use of swearing: 7

Knowledge of electronics: 4


Phil Allison wrote:

"Poxy" = one grade A, fucking criminal !!

Phil Allison wrote:

"Poxy" = how aptly named is this anencephalic, PITA fuckwit ??


Could that be due to voltage & current being out of phase or
something?


** RCDs sense current ***only*** - dickhead.

What did you imagine the fucking "C" stands for ???????

As you seem to understand, though expressed a little ineptly, "C"
stands for
"current", as in Redundant Current Device.


** The R word is "residual" - you pile of fucking dog shit.



However, you should realise that
current and voltage are often not in phase, particularly in the case
of inductive, capacitive or complex loads.



** Which bit of this sentence was too hard for you to comprehend - you
fucking piece of dog shit.

" ** RCDs sense current ***only*** - dickhead. "

Was ******** only ********* too hard to see ????????



You migt like to perform a Google search on "power factor".


** You might like to search Google on the heading of "Child
molesting imbeciles called Poxy".


Again, I must say you do need to learn to moderate your language



** ROTFLMAO !!

There are not words nearly strong enough in the English language for
scumbags like you.

Go to hell.

Rot there.




................... Phil

 

[Mike Harding]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:17:19 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

Learn one lesson - if you have nothing to contribute to a topic then
contribute NOTHING.

Goodness me Phyllis! Do you think you would manage OK
if you only made about three posts a year?

Mike Harding

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com> wrote in message
news:Vgyce.33507$5F3.31227@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Welcome to the world according to Phil Allison, aus.electronics' (and
numerous other newsgroups') resident troll who must be forgiven for
having the most acute case of Tourette's Syndrome.

The condition frequently manifests itself when he is contradicted in
any way whatsoever. Poor fellow can't help himself. All those years
of loneliness and sexual dysfunction must be taking its toll on the
old boy. Likewise been couped up in that tacky bed-sit in the
orange-red brick block of flats with the oh so tastefully green
coloured garage doors right across from the Croation Catholic church.

Phil must feel the need to be near God or at least the confession
box. God only knows what he gets up to with Ms. Blow Up Doll and all
those buggered toasters piling up in the corners.

Oh did you know Phil had a party recently? It was held in the phone
box on the corner.

Funny! But a little harsh I think - from what I can tell he's probably
just
a little immature, sensitive about the limis of his knowledge and hasn't
quite learnt how to handle his frustrations without "lashing out". My
guess
is that he is still at school, which might partially be the source of his
problems.

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's. Lives alone, apparently
always has during most of his "adult" years. Yes, it's kind of difficult to
picture Phil as an adult. His childish behaviour does tend to give people
the impression he's a spoilt unsupervised adolescent with internet access
and his folks don't have Net Nanny installed on his computer to prevent him
from accessing the newsgroups.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big time by
insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor fellow. His life
(if you can call it that) is so miserable and lonely, the only interaction
he has with the outside world is through his PC. That way he can get to
accuse you of all sorts of things and insult you at the same time with no
fear of having to personally confront his victim. In essence the man is a
coward of the first order.

BTW Phil, I'll be in Sydney tomorrow on business for the best part of the
week. Care to disclose your dog box number so I can pay you a visit so you
can get to repeat your allegations about me to my face in front of a witness
or two and a video camera?

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3dg4rnF6pimpvU1@individual.net...

"Alan Rutlidge iinet.net.au>"
"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com


Funny!



** Look what we have here folks - Poxy meets the Arse Bandit.

They ought to get together and make a movie with that name.

Bound to get " VD " rating.





........... Phil

BTW Phil, I'll be in Sydney tomorrow on business for the best part of the
week. Care to disclose your dog box number so I can pay you a visit so you
can get to repeat your allegations about me to my face in front of a witness
or two and a video camera?

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Poxy]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Poxy" = a syphilis brained moron


Far from any genuine interest in Electronics, it occurs to me that
you seem
to be intent on using this forum as an opportunity to use a lot of
excessively foul and abusive language for no particular reason.


** The reason is very simple - to get PITA ignorant arseholes
like YOU out of here.

So you inhabit online communities with the sole intent of chasing off people
to whom you take a dislike?

Obviously I'm in no position to tell you how to behave,


** Dead right - now piss the hell off !!!!!

Why exactly should I? I've only posted a few comments before this rather
lengthy "discussion" - perhaps they haven't met your standards - whatever
they're based on - but frankly, nobody else has reacted as strangely as you,
and indeed, the majority of the posters, with the exception of yourself,
appear to know something about electronics and are willing to tolerate
people such as me and share their knowledge.

Therefore I can only conclude you are in no position to judge who is
appropriate to participate here. Rather it appears you take some kind of
perverse pleasure in attempting to bully people.

As I mentioned in another post, if there is something that is
frustrating you,


** YOU are the trouble - dickhead.

YOU are yet another bloody idiot from QLD with a stupid fake name
and an asinine attitude.

Apart from clogging up the forum with this excessivly long thread, and I
suspect now motivating you to post greater and greater levels of abuse as
your frustrations seem to grow uncontrollably, I'm not actually sure what
kind of "problem" I pose.

As for this obsession with whatever state I come from, or my true identity,
does it actually matter? Should you wish to meet in person it might, but
frankly, given your conduct I have no desire to, and I suspect your parents
might be a little concerned about you meeting some fellow off the Internet.

As far as I'm concerned, this RCD business has
been explained fully, and until you express exactly what it is you
don't understand, it doesn't make much sense to discuss it further.


** Listen you ignorant, top posting moron - it is YOU that has no
understanding of RCDs or any other electronic device.

That's a fairly broad claim. I certainly wasn't aware of exactly how an RCD
is implemented, and now I know - I think the difference between us is that
I'm happy to reveal my ignorance in the hope that I might learn something.
Apart from abuse and bluster, you give no real indication you actually know
anything. Indeed it seems you were more ignorant about RCDs that I was, if
that's possible

I did not direct a *RHETORICAL* question at you in order to find out
anything.

I was rubbing you nose in your own pig ignorance !!!!!!

Learn one lesson - if you have nothing to contribute to a topic then
contribute NOTHING.

Frankly, given your rather disturbing behaviour - rhetorical questions for
heaven's sake - I think I have nothing to learn from you, and furthermore I
don't think you are in any position to decide in which discussions I
participate

 

[Poxy]

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's. Lives alone,
apparently always has during most of his "adult" years. Yes, it's
kind of difficult to picture Phil as an adult. His childish
behaviour does tend to give people the impression he's a spoilt
unsupervised adolescent with internet access and his folks don't have
Net Nanny installed on his computer to prevent him from accessing the
newsgroups.

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic with
frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might be as old as
you say is kind of scary.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big
time by insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor
fellow. His life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and
lonely, the only interaction he has with the outside world is through
his PC. That way he can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and
insult you at the same time with no fear of having to personally
confront his victim. In essence the man is a coward of the first
order.

Frankly I have no desire to confront him - from what you say he sounds like
a bit of a sad case, and while his attitude and conduct is repulsive, I
can't see how beating up the poor fellow would help anything.

As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".

 

[Phil Allison]

"Alan Rutlidge iinet.net.au>" >

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's.

** You must have me mixed up with Laurie Dare - imbecile.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big time by
insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor fellow. His
life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and lonely, the only
interaction he has with the outside world is through his PC. That way he
can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and insult you at the same
time with no fear of having to personally confront his victim. In essence
the man is a coward of the first order.

BTW Phil, I'll be in Sydney tomorrow on business for the best part of the
week. Care to disclose your dog box number so I can pay you a visit so
you can get to repeat your allegations about me to my face in front of a
witness or two and a video camera?

** Show up here and I will have the Police arrest you.

The false and malicious allegations you constantly post about me are a
crime.




........... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Poxy"

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic with
frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might be as old
as
you say is kind of scary.

** The Rutmaniac is a damn liar - he has never spoken with me and does not
know me at all.

As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".

** Poxy - you are simply a pompous jerk.

Usenet vermin.




.............. Phil

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com> wrote in message
news:L1Ece.33950$5F3.3536@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's. Lives alone,
apparently always has during most of his "adult" years. Yes, it's
kind of difficult to picture Phil as an adult. His childish
behaviour does tend to give people the impression he's a spoilt
unsupervised adolescent with internet access and his folks don't have
Net Nanny installed on his computer to prevent him from accessing the
newsgroups.

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic with
frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might be as old
as
you say is kind of scary.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big
time by insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor
fellow. His life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and
lonely, the only interaction he has with the outside world is through
his PC. That way he can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and
insult you at the same time with no fear of having to personally
confront his victim. In essence the man is a coward of the first
order.

Frankly I have no desire to confront him - from what you say he sounds
like
a bit of a sad case, and while his attitude and conduct is repulsive, I
can't see how beating up the poor fellow would help anything.

I don't think anyone here wants to beat up Phil (although that's only my
opinion). Certainly not me. I just want to slam dunk the prick using the
legal system. Of course I know he's a gutless wanker so he wouldn't dare
repeat his allegations in front of witnesses or risk having his bullshit
recorded to be played back in court. As I've said before, Phil is a coward
and a menace. All the regulars here know it.

The fact that Phil has singled you out for special attention this week is
unfortunate. You are just one on a very long list of people who Phil has
taken a dislike to. Don't for one minute consider yourself an orphan.

As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".

Don't apologise. Phil should be the one for doing that for his inexcusable
behaviour, although hell will probably freeze over first. My advise is give
him absolutely nothing (personally about you) to go on and he will soon
become bored and move on to some other unfortunate soul.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3dgh0rF6sok5eU1@individual.net...

"Alan Rutlidge iinet.net.au>"

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's.


** You must have me mixed up with Laurie Dare - imbecile.


Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big time by
insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor fellow. His
life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and lonely, the only
interaction he has with the outside world is through his PC. That way he
can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and insult you at the same
time with no fear of having to personally confront his victim. In
essence the man is a coward of the first order.

BTW Phil, I'll be in Sydney tomorrow on business for the best part of the
week. Care to disclose your dog box number so I can pay you a visit so
you can get to repeat your allegations about me to my face in front of a
witness or two and a video camera?



** Show up here and I will have the Police arrest you.

What are you afraid of Phil?
Afraid to confront your victim?
Afraid someone independant will witness your false allegations and to repeat
what they heard and saw in a court of law?

The false and malicious allegations you constantly post about me are a
crime.

What? That you are a Net Stalker? That you are a miserable, lonely old man
with nothing better to do than troll the newsgroups posting false
accusations stiring up trouble?

Not only are really pathetic, but you are a gutless little wanker who hides
behind (what you believe) is the anonymity of your keyboard and a fake
e-mail address.

.......... Phil

 

[FruitLoop]

"Alan Rutlidge iinet.net.au>" <rutlidge@<NO_SPAM> wrote in message
news:42731abf$0$31464$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com> wrote in message
news:L1Ece.33950$5F3.3536@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's. Lives alone,
apparently always has during most of his "adult" years. Yes, it's
kind of difficult to picture Phil as an adult. His childish
behaviour does tend to give people the impression he's a spoilt
unsupervised adolescent with internet access and his folks don't have
Net Nanny installed on his computer to prevent him from accessing the
newsgroups.

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic with
frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might be as old
as
you say is kind of scary.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big
time by insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor
fellow. His life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and
lonely, the only interaction he has with the outside world is through
his PC. That way he can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and
insult you at the same time with no fear of having to personally
confront his victim. In essence the man is a coward of the first
order.

Frankly I have no desire to confront him - from what you say he sounds
like
a bit of a sad case, and while his attitude and conduct is repulsive, I
can't see how beating up the poor fellow would help anything.

I don't think anyone here wants to beat up Phil (although that's only my
opinion). Certainly not me. I just want to slam dunk the prick using the
legal system. Of course I know he's a gutless wanker so he wouldn't dare
repeat his allegations in front of witnesses or risk having his bullshit
recorded to be played back in court. As I've said before, Phil is a
coward
and a menace. All the regulars here know it.

The fact that Phil has singled you out for special attention this week is
unfortunate. You are just one on a very long list of people who Phil has
taken a dislike to. Don't for one minute consider yourself an orphan.


As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".

Don't apologise. Phil should be the one for doing that for his
inexcusable
behaviour, although hell will probably freeze over first. My advise is
give
him absolutely nothing (personally about you) to go on and he will soon
become bored and move on to some other unfortunate soul.

Cheers,
Alan

Yep , pretty well sums it up

 

[Andrew M]

Phil does spout a very small amount of wisdom and fact. The fact that it's
buried in noise is disappointing because he could probably be an interesting
part of this community rather than a disruptive one.

If you don't like listening to him, set your browser to discard his posts.
It's very easy. I've done it - and if you silly bastards would stop replying
to his posts I wouldn't hear of him at all. I'm beginning to think you're
all tarred with the same brush.

-Andrew M


"FruitLoop" <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> wrote in message
newskFce.34047$5F3.33528@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

"Alan Rutlidge iinet.net.au>" <rutlidge@<NO_SPAM> wrote in message
news:42731abf$0$31464$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com> wrote in message
news:L1Ece.33950$5F3.3536@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's. Lives alone,
apparently always has during most of his "adult" years. Yes, it's
kind of difficult to picture Phil as an adult. His childish
behaviour does tend to give people the impression he's a spoilt
unsupervised adolescent with internet access and his folks don't have
Net Nanny installed on his computer to prevent him from accessing the
newsgroups.

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic with
frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might be as
old
as
you say is kind of scary.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big
time by insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor
fellow. His life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and
lonely, the only interaction he has with the outside world is through
his PC. That way he can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and
insult you at the same time with no fear of having to personally
confront his victim. In essence the man is a coward of the first
order.

Frankly I have no desire to confront him - from what you say he sounds
like
a bit of a sad case, and while his attitude and conduct is repulsive, I
can't see how beating up the poor fellow would help anything.

I don't think anyone here wants to beat up Phil (although that's only my
opinion). Certainly not me. I just want to slam dunk the prick using
the
legal system. Of course I know he's a gutless wanker so he wouldn't dare
repeat his allegations in front of witnesses or risk having his bullshit
recorded to be played back in court. As I've said before, Phil is a
coward
and a menace. All the regulars here know it.

The fact that Phil has singled you out for special attention this week is
unfortunate. You are just one on a very long list of people who Phil has
taken a dislike to. Don't for one minute consider yourself an orphan.


As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".

Don't apologise. Phil should be the one for doing that for his
inexcusable
behaviour, although hell will probably freeze over first. My advise is
give
him absolutely nothing (personally about you) to go on and he will soon
become bored and move on to some other unfortunate soul.

Cheers,
Alan


Yep , pretty well sums it up

 

[Phil Allison]

"Andrew M" <noone@home>

Phil does spout a very small amount of wisdom and fact.

** The M stand for "moron " and there really is no-one at home.


Andrew has posted a total of 9 times here - and only began this year.

He is clueless, posturing, vile little shit.





.............. Phil

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Andrew M" <noone@home> wrote in message
news:4273532f$0$31487$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

Phil does spout a very small amount of wisdom and fact. The fact that it's
buried in noise is disappointing because he could probably be an
interesting part of this community rather than a disruptive one.

If you don't like listening to him, set your browser to discard his posts.
It's very easy. I've done it - and if you silly bastards would stop
replying to his posts I wouldn't hear of him at all. I'm beginning to
think you're all tarred with the same brush.

-Andrew M


"FruitLoop" <Hyperactive@fruitloop.net> wrote in message
newskFce.34047$5F3.33528@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

"Alan Rutlidge iinet.net.au>" <rutlidge@<NO_SPAM> wrote in message
news:42731abf$0$31464$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...

"Poxy" <pox@poxymail.com> wrote in message
news:L1Ece.33950$5F3.3536@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Actually PA is a grumpy old man in his late 50's. Lives alone,
apparently always has during most of his "adult" years. Yes, it's
kind of difficult to picture Phil as an adult. His childish
behaviour does tend to give people the impression he's a spoilt
unsupervised adolescent with internet access and his folks don't have
Net Nanny installed on his computer to prevent him from accessing the
newsgroups.

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic with
frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might be as
old
as
you say is kind of scary.

Phil dropped out of uni. Basically he's a misfit. He thinks he
knows
everything about everything and everything about everyone. A true
Net
Stalker. Most of us have learnt to ignore him. He gets off big
time by insulting people and fabricating stories about them. Poor
fellow. His life (if you can call it that) is so miserable and
lonely, the only interaction he has with the outside world is through
his PC. That way he can get to accuse you of all sorts of things and
insult you at the same time with no fear of having to personally
confront his victim. In essence the man is a coward of the first
order.

Frankly I have no desire to confront him - from what you say he sounds
like
a bit of a sad case, and while his attitude and conduct is repulsive,
I
can't see how beating up the poor fellow would help anything.

I don't think anyone here wants to beat up Phil (although that's only my
opinion). Certainly not me. I just want to slam dunk the prick using
the
legal system. Of course I know he's a gutless wanker so he wouldn't
dare
repeat his allegations in front of witnesses or risk having his bullshit
recorded to be played back in court. As I've said before, Phil is a
coward
and a menace. All the regulars here know it.

The fact that Phil has singled you out for special attention this week
is
unfortunate. You are just one on a very long list of people who Phil
has
taken a dislike to. Don't for one minute consider yourself an orphan.


As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".

Don't apologise. Phil should be the one for doing that for his
inexcusable
behaviour, although hell will probably freeze over first. My advise is
give
him absolutely nothing (personally about you) to go on and he will soon
become bored and move on to some other unfortunate soul.

Cheers,
Alan


Yep , pretty well sums it up

Kill filing Phil only gets rid of Phil's messages. It doesn't stop you
seeing all his stupid rants included as part of other's responses.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[quietguy]

So????? What does one do - chuck away the fridge? Does mfg warranty cover
this situation?


David

David wrote:

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:14:52 +1000, quietguy wrote:

While it may be completly irrelevent to your problem, it may be of
interest that when an electrician was installing an earth leakage breaker
in my home, he mentioned that many fridges will trip the breaker even
though they are not faulty, and that I should install a non-protected
outlet for the fridge. I did.

David


This is not legal any longer. While allowed under the older wiring rules,
the current AS3000:2000 do not make an exemption for RCD protection on
fridges.

David

 

[Poxy]

Phil Allison wrote:

"Poxy"

Really? I could have sworn he was a some spotty teenager, priapic
with frustration, rage and unsatisfied needs. The fact the he might
be as old as
you say is kind of scary.


** The Rutmaniac is a damn liar - he has never spoken with me and
does not know me at all.


As you suggest the wisest approach is probably to ignore him - I do
apologise for extending this thread into a kind of "flame war".



** Poxy - you are simply a pompous jerk.

Usenet vermin.

Well I must say you do seem to making some effort to improve your language -
while still unnecessarily abusive, I applaud your restraint in not resorting
to foul language - there's hope yet it seems!

 

[Richard Freeman]

"David" <no_way@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsan.2005.04.28.01.46.46.31000@hotmail.com...

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:14:52 +1000, quietguy wrote:

While it may be completly irrelevent to your problem, it may be of
interest that when an electrician was installing an earth leakage breaker
in my home, he mentioned that many fridges will trip the breaker even
though they are not faulty, and that I should install a non-protected
outlet for the fridge. I did.

David


This is not legal any longer. While allowed under the older wiring rules,
the current AS3000:2000 do not make an exemption for RCD protection on
fridges.

This must be a fairly recent change - when did this come in ?
must have been in the last 6 years

 

[Phil Allison]

"Richard Freeman"

"David"

This is not legal any longer. While allowed under the older wiring rules,
the current AS3000:2000 do not make an exemption for RCD protection on
fridges.

This must be a fairly recent change - when did this come in ?
must have been in the last 6 years

** Guess what year AS3000:2000 refers to - Richard.





............. Phil

 

[David]

On Sun, 01 May 2005 10:04:27 +1000, quietguy wrote:

So????? What does one do - chuck away the fridge? Does mfg warranty cover
this situation?


Best thing to do is to have a seperate RCD/MCB on each circuit. These are

very common know, and if something trips, only one circuit will trip, not
the whole house (makes finding what tripped it much quicker too). Also,
as each circuit is seperate, then each circuit can have up to 30mA leakage
before tripping. If only one RCD is used for the whole house, then total
leakage for whole house is only 30mA. Problem with older RCDs was that
they would trip randomly etc, and take out the whole house, and if you
were not at home, the frige would stop, and you would have rotten food and
a terrible smell. If on indivual RCD/MCBs, then only one circuit would
trip. If the the fridge tripped on 30mA, then something is pretty wrong
with the fridge, and it should be fixed.

David

 

[David]

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:39:29 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

** RCDs sense current ***only*** - dickhead.

What did you imagine the fucking "C" stands for ???????



I'd be surprised that RF switching hash could be strong enough to trip an
RCD.


** So would I - and that is NOT what I posted !!!!

When an arc is created by a switch opening or BOUNCING at switch on, energy
is lost as radiated power - radiated into space by the cable feeding
current to that arc acting as an antenna. Any AM radio will prove that
fact.

Now - unless the energy radiated by the active and neutral cables is
exactly the SAME - the RCD will sense a current imbalance and TRIP. Some
RCDs may be affected by the radiated RF noise too - and the two effects
can act in unison.

Hence the intermittent nature of the tripping.

There would have to a HUGE imbalance in the radiated power from the
active and neutral to trip and RCD. While the switch is arcing, the
current in active and neutral would still be the same. For a 30mA
imbalance, the active or neutral would have to radiate approx 7.2W of RF
more than the other. This is probably unlikely the prime reason for
tripping.

What is more likely is that there is a residual leakage current in the
house allready, caused by other devices (possibly with a DC bias). This
is probably just below the threshold of the RCD. When the switch is opened
the RFI is then sufficient to unbalance the RCD and trip. This could be
caused by nonlinearity etc in the RCD. This could be because the RCD is
older, and doese not have proper EMC compliance to IEC61008/9. Modern RCDs
are designed not to nuisance trip on voltage spikes, switching transients,
RFI etc.

The random nature of the events could also be caused by the residual
leakage current varying with temperature, or device usage etc.

I would suggest the OP has a qualified electrian check the wiring / RCD in
his house (including the drill) for residual leakage.

David