Designing The Perfect Coil?

[Chiron]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:32:27 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

Okay, you have a problem. There are more people in the world with type B

Actually, that's not a problem. We seem to be talking at cross-purposes
here, which is kind of ironic because I probably agree with you more than
I disagree.

Anecdotal data or information is perfectly acceptable, in my book. There
are people I know who, I believe, would not lie to save their lives, who
are sober and drug-free, etc. - and who insist that they've seen things.
I believe these people. I totally accept what they say. They have
absolutely no reason to lie to me about this stuff, nothing to gain, and
they're not seeking my approval. They've just had strange things happen,
things that absolutely don't fit into our usual conceptions, and that's
that.

I have also had some remarkable personal occurrences that, despite my
best efforts to find more ordinary explanations, remain unexplained.
Just a handful of anecdotes, but highly convincing to me, and to those
who know me to be honest.

Of course, if I don't personally know someone, I am less likely to accept
everything they tell me. But that's a reasonable caution. Not everyone
is honest.

To my way of thinking, psi phenomena certainly exist. I am convinced of
it. When it comes to the existence of psi phenomena, we are probably on
the same page - we apparently both believe in them.

My seemingly skeptical comments were not addressed to the reality of
these phenomena, but rather to whether they were appropriate subjects of
*scientific* study. Science examines only a small subset of reality,
using only a small subset of the tools available to us. They are limited
to phenomena that can in some way be measured (as I keep saying). They
also require that the phenomena be somehow repeatable.

This doesn't happen with psi, as far as I can see. All the limited
*scientific* tests have come up dry.

Here in the West (I assume you're in the West) we often tend to equate
reality with scientific fact, but of course the two have little in
common. Most of reality is simply beyond the ability of scientists to
evaluate. Maybe this will change some day, but for now most of reality
is simply outside the domain of science.

But those things are real, all the same. Even if science never can deal
with them, they're real.

If I was unclear about that, I apologize. I never intended to say that
psi phenomena are false, just that they're more than science can handle
at the moment.

As for Freud - I didn't know he was accepting telepathy. I read
something by him about parapsychology, and it seemed he would twist
everything in order to do away with the possibility. I never knew he was
changing his opinion. Too bad he didn't live long enough to weigh in on
the topic.

--
An ounce of mother is worth a ton of priest.
-- Spanish proverb

 

[Chiron]

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:55:15 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

My seemingly skeptical comments were not addressed to the reality of
these phenomena, but rather to whether they were appropriate subjects
of *scientific* study.

LOL. Don't tak this the wrong way but that kind of reasoning has been
the underlying theme for the last 300 years of science. Thn 99 per cent
of the mainstram folks follow traditionally accpted rasoning whil that
other 1 pr cnt is out there discovering grms, curare and digitalis, and
most of all the advances we have today. They should make science
students study the history of science, too.

Don't take this the wrong way, but those past 300 years coincided almost
exactly with the enormous leap in material benefits we've experienced.
That was science talking. The discovery of germs, curare, digitalis, and
various other such was a result of careful scientific evaluation. It was
not done by intuition, nor was it accepted because of anecdotes. The
germ theory of disease was produced and furthered by Louis Pasteur (among
many others). Pasteur was a careful experimenter. He wouldn't accept
that a microscopic entity could cause disease unless: it was found in an
animal who had the disease; it could be cultured outside the body; it
would cause disease when introduced to another animal; and it could be
isolated from the second animal. These are all repeatable experiments.

Science has its limits, which we in the West tend to forget, and which
some arrogant scientists try to deny. Within those limits, it is the
single most effective way of acquiring knowledge and understanding
things. When you want to build a bridge or an airplane, you want it to
be done scientifically, not artfully (or rather, your main goal is
effectiveness and safety, not esthetics). When you're talking about the
physical world, science is the way to go.

Outside those limits, science must remain silent - though it often
doesn't. Nothing says that science can't grow to include stuff that is
presently beyond it, but until that happens, those things will be beyond
it. That's not really a problem. It's just the way it is right now.

But if ya need motivation-- and I honestly don't car on way or th

I don't see why you think I need motivation. I've been studying this
stuff for over 50 years now, ever since I was in grade school. I've read
everything I could get my hands on about these topics, attended lectures,
gone to seances, sat in at "laying on of hands" services, spoken to
psychics and "gypsies" and tarot card readers and anyone who might have
some inkling about psi.

other-- thr are innumrabl rasons to study psi: it travels faster than
light, thus seggesting the current paradigm is ither wrong or
incomplete. How does a signal travel faster than light if nothing is
supposedly abl to do that? Is Einstin wrong or is psi operating in a
subspace manifold? if subspac is a real medium, can it indeed be used
for FTL communications using electronics? At least one person started to
patent a method for FTL communications-- unforyunately it would take a
lot of mony to test that idea.

There is no evidence to suggest that psi goes faster than the speed of

light. Since psi relies on humans to be detected (and perhaps to be
generated as well), we are always limited in estimating the speed of any
signal by the reaction times of the subjects. Even at the farthest
distance on earth, the time require for light to travel it is around 10
msec (if memory serves). That's far shorter than even the fastest human
reflexes. Because of this, we can't estimate the speed of psi. Maybe
someone on the moon - lag time of 1.5 seconds or something - could do it.

Yes, psi is said to operate independently of any shielding, be it lead,
brick, water, earth, etc.

But you are making an assumption here, that psi is some sort of signal
that travels. This may not be the case. We may experience psi because
(for example) we all share the same mind at some fundamental level. Or
Mind may be all there is. Or whatever. No need to impose limitations on
what psi is or can do.

What is time? How does precognition and retrocognition work through
time? Are there multiple realities and is predestination an inevitable
aspect of this one?

Beats me. I'm still trying to figure out how I got old so fast. I was

just getting the hang of this being human stuff, and now it's almost time
to go home. Bummer...

there ar ovr six dozn different psi gifts and each one affects our
reality in some unique way that mainstream science doesn't have a clue
about, whil tchnology is rushing headlong towards th future, w don't
know any more about the fundamntal nature of rality than we did when
Lonardo Davinci was dropping balls off the tower of Pisa, What is
gravity? Inertia? How does psi affect those properties when nothing else
does? Should psi be investigated? Really?

That was Galileo, and he mostly rolled them down inclined planes.

Psi should be investigated, in my opinion. I'm doing it; apparently you
are too.

This doesn't happen with psi, as far as I can see.  All the limited
*scientific* tests have come up dry.

No, that's the lie. Randi and others are always doing their best to make
that bullshit claim and suppress whatevr they can. But to be honst, i
really don't see the why of that! Are these people really so afraid to
acknowlege psi-- they sure go about denying it with the zeal usually
found in bigots and rascists. Even th Wikipedia is biased: quick to
bring up how nobody has vr "won" Randi's bogus offer but not objective
nough to look at that so-called offer in an unbiased way.

Oh, fuck Randi. I'm just talking about actual scientists, not some stage

magician with a bug up his butt.

Here in the West (I assume you're in the West)

Oregon is in the land of confusion usually called the Northwest. <g

I saw that in another post. But I meant that we're "Westerners."

we often tend to equate
reality with scientific fact, but of course the two have little in
common.  Most of reality is simply beyond the ability of scientists to
evaluate.  Maybe this will change some day, but for now most of reality
is simply outside the domain of science.

Oh, puh-leze! Get off their asses and get over the notion that
Einstein's word is God, thn thr can be progress. oh, and forget applying
an outdated methodology that demands repetition of something that is by
it's nature not [easily] repeatable-- that's idiocy. The Monroe
Institute made the most advances in parapsychology and psionics when it
did it's neurological studies on a group of psis, And yet that great bit
of research has gone all but completly unnoticed.

So far, there is nothing to show that any parts of Einstein's theories

are incorrect. The FTL neutrinos are the only possibility, but
experimenters are having a hard time *reproducing* the effect - so it may
be spurious.

It's not idiocy to insist on repeatability; it's how science is done.
The other alternative is to apply statistics. When you can't say whether
one person has a talent, you *can* say when thousands do. If psi existed
under scientific conditions, it would show up statistically. Dr. JB
Rhine's experiments seemed to show that in the beginning, but over time
this effect dropped down to what would be expected by chance. In other
words, no talent was detected.

Experiments that cannot be repeated, or that do not exhibit some
statistical evidence, are not accepted into science. That's how science
works. That's how it should work. What science can't grasp, is beyond
science (at least for now).

As for Freud - I didn't know he was accepting telepathy.  I read
something by him about parapsychology, and it seemed he would twist
everything in order to do away with the possibility.  I never knew he
was changing his opinion.  Too bad he didn't live long enough to weigh
in on the topic.

And so it goes. Wiki will go out of its way to dlete any relevant
positive information when it comes to psi even when it comes to pioneers
in biofeedback, parapsychology hypnotism, and all the related fields who
have studied psi-- giving the impression that there is nothing to it. It
took a lot of effort just to get my own tiny entry from being deleted;n
anyone who says there isn't an anti-psi conspiracy is either lying,
stupid, or both. ;-(

Well, look. I don't go in for conspiracy theories. I don't doubt that

there are probably one or two malicious conspiracies out there; the
problem is knowing which ones are real. They are universally met with a
complete lack of information, because the conspirators actively destroy
the evidence - or else, the evidence never existed.

I have no way of telling why evidence is missing - whether it was
destroyed, or whether it never existed in the first place. I would argue
that no one has a reliable way of telling. So, since 90%+ of
conspiracies are false, and since I have no way of guessing which ones
are true, I simply choose to ignore them all.

But I'm curious about something - just why would anyone be anti-psi? I
think the topic is utterly fascinating, and could lead to whole new
worlds of discovery, if we could ever figure it out. Why would anyone,
outside of some Fundamentalists, maybe, want to ignore/suppress it?

--
MESSAGE ACKNOWLEDGED -- The Pershing II missiles have been launched.

 

[Ron Hubbard]

My seemingly skeptical comments were not addressed to the reality of
these phenomena, but rather to whether they were appropriate subjects of
*scientific* study.

LOL. Don't tak this the wrong way but that kind of reasoning has been
the underlying theme for the last 300 years of science. Thn 99 per
cent of the mainstram folks follow traditionally accpted rasoning whil
that other 1 pr cnt is out there discovering grms, curare and
digitalis, and most of all the advances we have today. They should
make science students study the history of science, too.

But if ya need motivation-- and I honestly don't car on way or th
other-- thr are innumrabl rasons to study psi: it travels faster than
light, thus seggesting the current paradigm is ither wrong or
incomplete. How does a signal travel faster than light if nothing is
supposedly abl to do that? Is Einstin wrong or is psi operating in a
subspace manifold? if subspac is a real medium, can it indeed be used
for FTL communications using electronics? At least one person started
to patent a method for FTL communications-- unforyunately it would
take a lot of mony to test that idea.

What is time? How does precognition and retrocognition work through
time? Are there multiple realities and is predestination an inevitable
aspect of this one?

there ar ovr six dozn different psi gifts and each one affects our
reality in some unique way that mainstream science doesn't have a clue
about, whil tchnology is rushing headlong towards th future, w don't
know any more about the fundamntal nature of rality than we did when
Lonardo Davinci was dropping balls off the tower of Pisa, What is
gravity? Inertia? How does psi affect those properties when nothing
else does? Should psi be investigated? Really?

This doesn't happen with psi, as far as I can see.  All the limited
*scientific* tests have come up dry.

No, that's the lie. Randi and others are always doing their best to
make that bullshit claim and suppress whatevr they can. But to be
honst, i really don't see the why of that! Are these people really so
afraid to acknowlege psi-- they sure go about denying it with the zeal
usually found in bigots and rascists. Even th Wikipedia is biased:
quick to bring up how nobody has vr "won" Randi's bogus offer but not
objective nough to look at that so-called offer in an unbiased way.

Here in the West (I assume you're in the West)

Oregon is in the land of confusion usually called the Northwest. <g>

we often tend to equate
reality with scientific fact, but of course the two have little in
common.  Most of reality is simply beyond the ability of scientists to
evaluate.  Maybe this will change some day, but for now most of reality
is simply outside the domain of science.

Oh, puh-leze! Get off their asses and get over the notion that
Einstein's word is God, thn thr can be progress. oh, and forget
applying an outdated methodology that demands repetition of something
that is by it's nature not [easily] repeatable-- that's idiocy. The
Monroe Institute made the most advances in parapsychology and psionics
when it did it's neurological studies on a group of psis, And yet that
great bit of research has gone all but completly unnoticed.

As for Freud - I didn't know he was accepting telepathy.  I read
something by him about parapsychology, and it seemed he would twist
everything in order to do away with the possibility.  I never knew he was
changing his opinion.  Too bad he didn't live long enough to weigh in on
the topic.

And so it goes. Wiki will go out of its way to dlete any relevant
positive information when it comes to psi even when it comes to
pioneers in biofeedback, parapsychology hypnotism, and all the related
fields who have studied psi-- giving the impression that there is
nothing to it. It took a lot of effort just to get my own tiny entry
from being deleted;n anyone who says there isn't an anti-psi
conspiracy is either lying, stupid, or both. ;-(

Ron


____________________

“Non-psionicists believed, then as now, that all psionics was fakery,
imagination, and crackpotism; that what actuality, if any, it had was
witchcraft and black magic and must be stamped out wherever and
whenever found.”

— E.E. “Doc” Smith (Subspace Encounters) —


"Strange and bizarre things happen to you with alarming frequency. You
are the one with whom demons will stop and chat. Magic items with
disturbing properties will find their way to you. The only talking dog
on 20th-century Earth will come to you with his problems. Dimensional
gates sealed for centuries will crack open just so that you can be
bathed in the energies released... or perhaps the entities on the
other side will invite you to tea. Nothing lethal will happen to you,
at least not immediately, and occasionally some weirdness will be
beneficial. But most of the time it will be terribly, terribly
inconvenient."

— "Weirdness Magnet" disadvantage from GURPS













, ,

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 16, 3:22 pm, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:46:24 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:
Physicist Wolfgang Pauli had that kind effect on things so some of the
people around began calling it the "Pauli effect" although there is a
proper name for it; they wouldn't let him come around if they were
working on critical experiments. Say, have you ever noticed other things
like elevator doors being open all the time you come by? <g

I think the "Pauli Effect" may actually be a proper name for it.  It's
supposed to occur when certain powerful intellects are near labs working
on things these intellects have an interest in.  I don't know if it seeps
over to other labs (or elevators).

This effect made it into at least one science fiction short story from
around the Sixties or so...

The proper namer name is electro-psychokinesis: the ability to
influence or control electrical, electronic, and or electro-mechanical
devices. There's about ten different forms of PK (cryokineis,
psychopyresis, storm control, telekinesis, parakinesis, levitation,
bio-pyschokinesis, cellular PK, EPK, and SLI) with the "Pauli
effect" being a type or subset of EPK--- although most people simply
say telekinesis because they don't know any better.

Ironically, most of the Stephen King has a good grasp of the psi
abilities and many of his movies like Carrie, Rose Red, Firestarter,
etc usually are centered around one of the PK gifts; Rose Red looked
at several distinct gifts but few people care as long as they are
entertained. But I think they must have really been looking over the
list when they came up with the 4400 a while back. ;-)

Ron

 

[Ron Hubbard]

I have no way of telling why evidence is missing - whether it was
destroyed, or whether it never existed in the first place.  I would argue
that no one has a reliable way of telling.  So, since 90%+ of
conspiracies are false, and since I have no way of guessing which ones
are true, I simply choose to ignore them all.

LOL. The best conspiracies are the ones nobody knows about.

Ron


_________________

..“If there’s nothing wrong with me, maybe there’s something wrong
with the universe!”

–– Beverly Crusher (Remember Me) ––

 

[Chiron]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:37:02 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

I have no way of telling why evidence is missing - whether it was
destroyed, or whether it never existed in the first place.  I would
argue that no one has a reliable way of telling.  So, since 90%+ of
conspiracies are false, and since I have no way of guessing which ones
are true, I simply choose to ignore them all.

LOL. The best conspiracies are the ones nobody knows about.

True. Those are the ones we don't know about, so we can dismiss them
from our discussion immediately.

I would refer you to a Wikipedia article I found that helps illustrate my
point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy

It discusses a (satirical) conspiracy that claims Bielefeld (a town)
exists, when it is well known that it does *not* exist.

Briefly, it asks three questions:

1. Do you know anyone from Beilefeld?
2. Have you ever been there?
3. Do you know anyone who has?

Most people will answer "no," thus proving that Beilefeld doesn't exist.
If someone answers "yes" to any of those questions, it is because they're
part of the conspiracy.

The discussion of this "conspiracy" is done in good humor, but there is a
serious point to it. With very little change, you can make the
conspiracy apply to anything.

One important reason why I tend to reject conspiracy theories is because,
while I admit some humans are capable of vicious behavior, it is almost
impossible to get a bunch of people to keep a secret.

But of course, I can't prove there's no conspiracy. Maybe there is. But
even if there is, I can't do a thing about it. All I can do is try to
keep an open mind, and try to see for myself what happens, when there are
experiments I can try on my own. I guess that will have to do.

--
A "No" uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a
"Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble.
-- Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Chiron]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:27:03 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

The proper namer name is electro-psychokinesis: the ability to influence
or control electrical, electronic, and or electro-mechanical devices.
There's about ten different forms of PK (cryokineis, psychopyresis,
storm control, telekinesis, parakinesis, levitation, bio-pyschokinesis,
cellular PK, EPK, and SLI) with the "Pauli effect" being a type or
subset of EPK--- although most people simply say telekinesis because
they don't know any better.

Right, I suppose it makes sense to distinguish between the various
effects.

You mentioned storm control. I remember someone telling me that if the
sky is covered with clouds, you can stare a hole into the clouds and get
blue sky. I tried it, and it did seem to work. I was a kid at the
time. I hadn't remembered this until you brought it up.

EPK should be easy to test, I'd think. It's not at all difficult to make
an extremely sensitive amplifier that could register in the microvolt
range (from a distance). But that's not quite what happens in the Pauli
phenomenon... food for thought, anyway.

I've always had the reverse sort of thing - electronic devices seem to do
well when I'm around them. Back when I worked in an office, I'd often go
and use the photocopier, get thousands of copies made, with no problem -
all while there was a call in for repairs because no one else could use
it. This wasn't just once or twice, this was all the time. It was as
though the copier were an animal responding to my good vibes or
something. I admit, I did talk to the machine and thank it, which might
have had an effect. Sure, that was kind of a bizarre thing to do, but...
it did no harm, and it just might have made the copier work for me.

What is this 4400 you mentioned?

--
Liar, n.:
A lawyer with a roving commission.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 17, 3:36 am, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 00:27:03 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:
The proper namer name is electro-psychokinesis: the ability to influence
or control electrical, electronic, and or electro-mechanical devices.
There's about ten different forms of PK (cryokineis, psychopyresis,
storm control, telekinesis, parakinesis, levitation, bio-pyschokinesis,
cellular PK,  EPK, and SLI)  with the "Pauli effect" being a type or
subset of EPK--- although most people simply say telekinesis because
they don't know any better.

Right, I suppose it makes sense to distinguish between the various
effects.

You mentioned storm control.  I remember someone telling me that if the
sky is covered with clouds, you can stare a hole into the clouds and get
blue sky.  I tried it, and it did seem to work.  I was a kid at the
time.  I hadn't remembered this until you brought it up.

Some years ago I wrote an article that listed all of the then known
psi abilities and phnomena; at that time there were about four dozen.
Over the years I updated the list to now, about 75 gifts- they were
all verified, with at least two cases for each gift. Comic book gifts
like "geokinesis" and other dubious items wre discarded.

Anyway, there is no real way to accurately say how many people have
any one particular gift but we know that telepaths are scare while
there are a lot more teeks (telekineticists) around, but even so,
storm control-- the ability to control weather, and 2nd stage storm
control, the ability to produce lightning from the earth's magnetic
field-- is not too common. There was a guy in Italy at the turn of the
century (20th century) who was known for his ability to cause rain
storms at will. Unfortunately, when a storm came up that he had a
problem controlling, he shouted "If there is a storm that I can not
control, let God kill me now" or something to that ffect. He was
immediatly hit by lightning and killed.

There was a family in California showcased on Unsolved Mysteries.
While it's statistically rare getting hit by lightning, just about
*every* member of this family was either injured or killed by
lightning. And indeed, during the funeral of one family member, the
headstone was struck by lightning! Storm control can also be a lot
less spctaacular: one rainy day I was sick, tired, on my way home with
groceries and I got off the bus forgetting my umbrella. I had walked
two blocks and was half-way hom before I remembred my umbrella and I
realized that I had walkd so far and not got wet in the pouring rain.
Damn it, the moment I realized that I had been dry for so long, I
immediately started to get soaked to the skin and I had to run the
rest of the way home. First and only time in the five plus decades
I've been around, but I have heard many other cases here and there.
Not like Storm in the X-Men movies, but close nough.

EPK should be easy to test, I'd think.  It's not at all difficult to make
an extremely sensitive amplifier that could register in the microvolt
range (from a distance).  But that's not quite what happens in the Pauli
phenomenon... food for thought, anyway.

No... I don't think so. There's a fundamental matter to be addressed:
if I wanted to test EPK using a VOM, the problem is that I might
easily pin the needle to the end of the scale with enough force to
break the meter, but that's not EPK-- just "ordinary" PK/TK. There's
an exercise for would-be and practicing teeks where ya take an
ordinary compass an make the needle spin in some other direction than
magnetic north-- while psi can affect magnetism, electricity, heat,
gravity, and other physical aspects-- that's not a magnetic influence,
just Pk moving the needle. If you were testing for magnetic changes
your test would be flawed.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people who usually hav to deal
with having EPK: their light bulbs often explode, they hav an
excessively high powr bill, computrs and fax machines bhave
strangely-- either not working when they should, or suddenly working
when other people couldn't get those same devices to work, they have a
strange influence on how TV sets behave, and many many more peculiar
happenings involving electricy or electronics. Remember "the Fonz"
banging on a juke box, making it play a record? That kind of thing
goes unnoticed every day, but if you could somehow put all of those
people togther their effect would be amazing,

But think it through: you get somebody with PK, you might not get any
electrical test equipment working if that prson was nervous or
frightened,ill at ease. And hope you don't find a howler, heh
heh. .

What is this 4400 you mentioned?

Thre was a brilliant sci-fi show a while back on one of the cable
networks, it was about how 4,400 people had ben kidnapped out of time
-- men, women, children-- from the '40s to 2004 when all 4400 were
brought back. Each of thos people had been physically altered so that
ach one had his or her own unique gift. Some were psi gifts-- a girl
with prcognition, a baseball player got telepathy, a pilot got
telekinesis-- while others got such purly physical abilities such as
the guy who got super strength, or the woman who could spread a killer
disease whenever she got nervous. Ovr the course of the series it was
shown that the world was dying and that the future survivors took the
4400 out of time, fixed them, so that they would alter what was going
to happen to make the future world hell. Of course, a lot of people
were frightened of the 4400 and all of the world governments wanted to
know if this was a threat to them.; so the sris looks at the interplay
between the public, the governmnt, and among the 4400 themselves who
sometimes had their own different agendas, as well as the people in
the future who were manipulating events. This was an amazing series
that focused on two federal agents who not only invstigated the 4400
but also had relatives who were came back among the 4400 so they had
conflicts over their duties to their superiors and jobs as well as the
loyalties to their family members. A great show; you should get it--
all four seasons are out on DVD.

Ron


_______________

“Hope for the best, but plan for the worst. “

— Richard Tyler (The 4400) ––

 

[Chiron]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:46:53 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

it's statistically rare getting hit by lightning, just about *every*
member of this family was either injured or killed by lightning. And

There was one guy who was hit by lightning seven times over 30 years. He
probably should have started going to a different church or something.
He eventually committed suicide. You have to wonder whether this could
possibly be chance. Getting hit by lightning isn't common, as you said.
1 in 750,000 each year... so around 1/25,000 over 30 years. To get hit
seven times? Assuming there's no connection between strikes (that is,
the strikes are random), the odds are 1 in 6 x 10^30. You have to assume
there's some causal connection, that this guy (Roy Sullivan) somehow
"attracted" lightning - although I suppose if he did certain types of
outdoor work he might be more vulnerable.

And this is just weird - as I was looking up Roy Sullivan's info, I came
across a recent news item:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/kansas-man-hit-by-lightning-
after-buying-mega-millions-tickets/

Apparently one of the winners of the huge lottery joked, as he bought the
winning ticket, that he was more likely to get hit by lightning than win
the lottery. A few hours later he did get hit by lightning - and he also
won.

Your story about remaining dry until you realized you should have been
wet reminds me of those cartoon characters who run off a cliff and remain
suspended until they look down and suddenly realize there's nothing
holding them up. At which time they plummet to the ground and get
flattened...

You're probably right about the compass - if I could move it, it might be
PK or EPK or whatever. I'd be OK with getting even an ambiguous result,
since it would help establish that there *is* some sort of effect. I've
tried moving a compass needle, without any success.

But to restrict the effect to electromagnetic energy, maybe you could use
a Hall-effect transistor or sensor? Something to think about, anyway.

--
Men have a much better time of it than women; for one thing they marry
later; for another thing they die earlier.
-- H. L. Mencken

 

[Jamie]

Chiron wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:46:53 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:


it's statistically rare getting hit by lightning, just about *every*
member of this family was either injured or killed by lightning. And


There was one guy who was hit by lightning seven times over 30 years. He
probably should have started going to a different church or something.
He eventually committed suicide. You have to wonder whether this could
possibly be chance. Getting hit by lightning isn't common, as you said.
1 in 750,000 each year... so around 1/25,000 over 30 years. To get hit
seven times? Assuming there's no connection between strikes (that is,
the strikes are random), the odds are 1 in 6 x 10^30. You have to assume
there's some causal connection, that this guy (Roy Sullivan) somehow
"attracted" lightning - although I suppose if he did certain types of
outdoor work he might be more vulnerable.

No, He was taking to much Geritol.

Jamie

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 17, 4:04 pm, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:46:53 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:
it's statistically rare getting hit by lightning, just about *every*
member of this family was either injured or killed by lightning. And

There was one guy who was hit by lightning seven times over 30 years.  He
probably should have started going to a different church or something.
He eventually committed suicide.  You have to wonder whether this could
possibly be chance.  Getting hit by lightning isn't common, as you said..
1 in 750,000 each year... so around 1/25,000 over 30 years.  To get hit
seven times?  Assuming there's no connection between strikes (that is,
the strikes are random), the odds are 1 in 6 x 10^30.  You have to assume
there's some causal connection, that this guy (Roy Sullivan) somehow
"attracted" lightning - although I suppose if he did certain types of
outdoor work he might be more vulnerable.

And this is just weird - as I was looking up Roy Sullivan's info, I came
across a recent news item:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/kansas-man-hit-by-light...
after-buying-mega-millions-tickets/

Apparently one of the winners of the huge lottery joked, as he bought the
winning ticket, that he was more likely to get hit by lightning than win
the lottery.  A few hours later he did get hit by lightning - and he also
won.

I don't think he won but maybe he should have; it seems he might have
more precognition than anything else. There was a case on the news a
few years back wher a woman had a strong urge to gt out of the hous
and take her daughtr with her. once they were outside, a small plane
crashed into the house bar momnts later. When most people think of
precognition, they think of folks having sudden visions but that's not
always the case. Far too often a person can know of a future event in
such a way that they don't become aware of it until later. On day i
left out of a hardwar store and took off running but I didn't know why
or where I was going to; I got a block down street at a bus stop just
seconds before the bus I would've taken arrived. I had no conscious
awarnesss that it was coming but I reacted to an event that hasn't
hapened yet.

But consider this: if you did a study of successful gamblers, you'd
most likely find that a good portion of them is either strongly
precognitive telekinetic, or both and a much smaller number telepathic
though. most aren't aware of this. Which, probably for them as
gamblers, is a good thing-- were they awareof why th were so succssful
that would put too much strain on a gift that words well on the
subconscious level.

Your story about remaining dry until you realized you should have been
wet reminds me of those cartoon characters who run off a cliff and remain
suspended until they look down and suddenly realize there's nothing
holding them up.  At which time they plummet to the ground and get
flattened...

Exactly! Like I said, most psi activity is as much psychological as
anything. Seldom does one really need to bend a spoon, but forks and
spoons do get bent sometimes as some people get really angry or
bored. And of course, much poltergeist activity often comes from
pubescent children who for a time are displaying uncontrolled TK..

The Monroe study showed that the activating frequency for TK is 7 Hz,
a frequency linked to such strong emotions as fear, anger, and boredom
and prsumably all the other related aspects such as storm control,
EPK, and SLI are also activatd by this same frequency that might be
easy to get into gievn a certain mental state but the moment you have
the realization that you are in that state, that cancels it. I've been
working with a psi wheel for... well, a long time. One morning I was
half-awake and had a "dream' that the psi wheel was spinning; whn I
opned my eys and looked at it, it *was* spinning very fast, then
stopped. who knows what the hell was going on there.<g> Subconscious
control over any gift can be far stronger than any degree of conscious
control. Well... to get conscious control, unless you're a freak like
Carrie who's probably in theta all the time, is like learning to stop
on's heart; it takes a lot of effort. More effort than most people
ever want to go through.


FYI: Psi-fi author James H. Schmitz was a ral-world telepath who had
his own circle of psi-gifted people back in the '60s bfore the
internet was a gleam in some engineer's eye. this probably why 85 per
cent or more of his stories are about psi. He said there were three
kinds of psis: class I psis are those folks who only occasionally and
sporadically have incidents, lik the mothr who wakes up knowing her
son has been killed during war or a sister hurt in a car crash. The
class II pople ar aware of having psi abilities and usually awar of
having gifts and oftn try to develop and use them as much as they can
(these are most common) and the class III popl who ar also called,
Unpredictables. The class IIIs can have a group of "core" abilities
that are mostly fixed, but can also have other abilities that can come
and go... unpredictabIy. Schmitz's system seems a valid one.

You're probably right about the compass - if I could move it, it might be
PK or EPK or whatever.  I'd be OK with getting even an ambiguous result,
since it would help establish that there *is* some sort of effect.  I've
tried moving a compass needle, without any success.

Sigh... There are two camps: those who say that everybody has ESP or
the potential for it and those (me included) who think that some have
it but most don't; except for maybe remote viewing or dowsing
(radiesthesia), psi gifts can't be developed in homo sapiens any more
than pigs can be made to fly.

But since you now know a very fundamental fact, if a norm *can*
develop a gift such as TK, the thing to do is to make a psi wheel and
try to lower your brainwaves down a bit to 7 Hz until you get an
effect. While much of it is really crap, there are a few good videos
of people using TK on Youtube and as admiral Kirk once said, "we learn
by doing." Gettin a psi wheel to spin is the "easiest" way to develop
TK. Actually biofeedback is better, but it's incredibly
expensive... ;-)


Ron


____________________

“This is the school in which we learn… time is the fire in which we
burn.”
–– Delmore Schwartz ––

 

[Chiron]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:28:32 -0400, Jamie wrote:

No, He was taking to much Geritol.

Jamie

Is that the stuff that has all that iron in it??



--
Q: What's the difference between a Mac and an Etch-a-Sketch?
A: You don't have to shake the Mac to clear the screen.

 

[Jamie]

Chiron wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:28:32 -0400, Jamie wrote:


No, He was taking to much Geritol.

Jamie



Is that the stuff that has all that iron in it??



sure is, once believed to be the cause of tiredness (Lack of Iron that

is), myself, I call it
being over worked!

Jamie

 

[Chiron]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:12 -0400, Jamie wrote:

Chiron wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:28:32 -0400, Jamie wrote:


No, He was taking to much Geritol.

Jamie



Is that the stuff that has all that iron in it??



sure is, once believed to be the cause of tiredness (Lack of Iron that
is), myself, I call it
being over worked!

Jamie

It's pretty common. Lack of many nutrients leads to fatigue; replacing
the nutrient renews energy. Therefore, this particular nutrient "causes"
energy. QED, but wrong. It only helps if you're lacking that nutrient.

And yes, most of our fatigue seems to be caused by overwork and not
taking time during the day to just relax. I've always thought that the
Latino idea of taking a siesta in the middle of the day made a whole lot
of sense. Have fun explaining that to your boss or customers, though.


--
The only disadvantage I see is that it would force everyone to get Perl.
Horrors.
-- Larry Wall in <8854@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV>

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 18, 6:48 pm, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:12 -0400, Jamie wrote:
Chiron wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:28:32 -0400, Jamie wrote:

No, He was taking to much Geritol.

Jamie

Is that the stuff that has all that iron in it??

sure is, once believed to be the cause of tiredness (Lack of Iron that
is), myself, I call it
being over worked!

Jamie

It's pretty common.  Lack of many nutrients leads to fatigue; replacing
the nutrient renews energy.  Therefore, this particular nutrient "causes"
energy.  QED, but wrong.  It only helps if you're lacking that nutrient.

LOL. Funny ya should say that because it reminded me that a couple of
years ago I came across some silly web page where the guy claimed that
telekinetic ability was determined by how much iron is in one's
system. I suppose if you were Tony Stark... Nah.

Ron


____________________

"My life is a Testament to all the things one can do-- when you don't
listen to other people."

– Brian Walker –

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 19, 2:40 pm, Ron Hubbard <or...@centurylink.net> wrote:

On Apr 18, 6:48 pm, Chiron





chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:56:12 -0400, Jamie wrote:
Chiron wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:28:32 -0400, Jamie wrote:

No, He was taking to much Geritol.

Jamie

Is that the stuff that has all that iron in it??

sure is, once believed to be the cause of tiredness (Lack of Iron that
is), myself, I call it
being over worked!

Jamie

It's pretty common.  Lack of many nutrients leads to fatigue; replacing
the nutrient renews energy.  Therefore, this particular nutrient "causes"
energy.  QED, but wrong.  It only helps if you're lacking that nutrient.

LOL. Funny ya should say that because it reminded me that a couple of
years ago I came across some silly web page where the guy claimed that
telekinetic ability was determined by how much iron is in one's
system. I suppose if you were Tony Stark... Nah.  

Ron

____________________

"My life is a Testament to all the things one can do-- when you don't
listen to other people."

– Brian Walker –- Hide quoted text -

I thought it would have been gone by now, but I guess garbage really
does stay around longer:

http://www.mindpowernews.com/TelekinesisEquation.htm


Ron

___________________

"If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however
improbable, must be the truth."

–– Sherlock Holmes ("Occam's Razor") ––

 

[Chiron]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:07:14 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

<snip>

LOL. Funny ya should say that because it reminded me that a couple of
years ago I came across some silly web page where the guy claimed that
telekinetic ability was determined by how much iron is in one's system.
I suppose if you were Tony Stark... Nah.  

Ron
snip


I thought it would have been gone by now, but I guess garbage really
does stay around longer:

http://www.mindpowernews.com/TelekinesisEquation.htm

Thanks for that, Ron. It's all so simple - all I have to do is boost my
cerebro-Iron, and I've got TK. No doubt the government wants to suppress
this to keep us all from becoming too powerful...

Did you ever come across the immortality rings of Alex Chiu (http://
www.alexchiu.com/)? He's like a combination of Edison, Tesla, and
Einstein, all rolled up into one, but much more modest.

Or the Hulda Clark zapper (http://www.drclark.net/)? This zapper (a 555
multivibrator) kills parasites, bacteria, and viruses in the body.

There's no shortage of geniuses out there who can save our planet and
guarantee us immortality and fresh breath. And free energy...

--
If *I* had a hammer, there'd be no more folk singers.

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 22, 7:00 pm, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:07:14 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

snip



LOL. Funny ya should say that because it reminded me that a couple of
years ago I came across some silly web page where the guy claimed that
telekinetic ability was determined by how much iron is in one's system..
I suppose if you were Tony Stark... Nah.  

Ron
snip

I  thought it would have been gone by now, but I guess garbage really
does stay around longer:

http://www.mindpowernews.com/TelekinesisEquation.htm

Thanks for that, Ron.  It's all so simple - all I have to do is boost my
cerebro-Iron, and I've got TK.  No doubt the government wants to suppress
this to keep us all from becoming too powerful...

Did you ever come across the immortality rings of Alex Chiu (http://www.alexchiu.com/)? He's like a combination of Edison, Tesla, and
Einstein, all rolled up into one, but much more modest.

Or the Hulda Clark zapper (http://www.drclark.net/)? This zapper (a 555
multivibrator) kills parasites, bacteria, and viruses in the body.

There's no shortage of geniuses out there who can save our planet and
guarantee us immortality and fresh breath.  And free energy...

Ever hear of the Hutchison effect? Canadian inventor John Hutchison
stumbled upon what might be the first step in cancelling gravity and
inertia, but his skills in kping nots wer seriously challenged: he
dosn't know what he did to gt a particular effect. This, too, is one
of those things mainstram science has turned its collctive nose at but
has tremendous potential for whoever can develop it.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_astralplane02.htm

Hutchison had created a poly-phasic force field from a combination of
Tesla coils, RF generators, magnets, and only God knows what else, but
he says he doesn't know what frequncies he used. It could take a lot
of money and a lot of time for somebody to stumble upon what he did
and re-create the effect. I have some ideas, but no mony to test them.
Pity.... :-(

Ron


__________________

“Data, something is only impossible until it is not!”

–– Jean- Luc Picard ––

 

[Chiron]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:03:39 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:

Ever hear of the Hutchison effect? Canadian inventor John Hutchison
stumbled upon what might be the first step in cancelling gravity and
inertia, but his skills in kping nots wer seriously challenged: he
dosn't know what he did to gt a particular effect. This, too, is one of
those things mainstram science has turned its collctive nose at but has
tremendous potential for whoever can develop it.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_astralplane02.htm

Hutchison had created a poly-phasic force field from a combination of
Tesla coils, RF generators, magnets, and only God knows what else, but
he says he doesn't know what frequncies he used. It could take a lot of
money and a lot of time for somebody to stumble upon what he did and
re-create the effect. I have some ideas, but no mony to test them.
Pity.... :-(

I think I did hear about this guy. If it's the same one, he had so much
equipment, including dish antennas on his outside walls, that he got in
trouble with the building owners or something.

And he didn't understand the science behind what he did - he just did it,
somehow...

And *that* reminds me of a great science fiction story. The government
has a film of an inventor demonstrating his anti-gravity suit or jet pack
or whatever. But the invention goes haywire, the inventor falls, and
winds up dying. As he's dying, he mutters some stuff about fields, blah,
blah, but it's all very vague.

So some scientists are asked to see whether they can reconstruct the
device. They're doubtful, but give it a shot, and eventually (after much
effort) come up with some sort of huge, boxy, but workable anti-gravity
thing.

Turns out that the whole film was staged; someone figured the scientists
would be able to develop anti-gravity, if they didn't know it was
"impossible." That is, if they thought someone had already done it, so
they wouldn't have that psychological barrier holding them back.

Anyway, back to Hutchison... If he's the same guy, there's no way I'd
ever be able to collect a tenth of the stuff he's got - his whole
apartment was packed almost solid with equipment. Radio stuff, tesla
coils, electromagnets, all kinds of stuff I couldn't identify. Way
outside my budget, even if they gave it to me free (because I also have
no room for stuff like that). And to be honest, I really wouldn't even
know where to begin with that. I have not the slightest clue how anti-
gravity might work.

About all I can manage is to piddle around with relatively small coils
and stuff, maybe some op-amps and oscillators and other things that
aren't too complicated. It's not much, but it keeps me out of trouble.


--
In order to discover who you are, first learn who everybody else is;
you're what's left.

 

[Ron Hubbard]

On Apr 23, 1:40 pm, Chiron
<chiron613.no.sp...@no.spam.please.gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:03:39 -0700, Ron Hubbard wrote:
Ever hear of the Hutchison effect? Canadian inventor John Hutchison
stumbled upon what might be the first step in cancelling gravity and
inertia, but his skills in kping nots wer seriously challenged: he
dosn't know what he did to gt a particular effect. This, too, is one of
those things mainstram science has turned its collctive nose at but has
tremendous potential for whoever can develop it.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_astralplane02.htm

Hutchison had created a poly-phasic force field from a combination of
Tesla coils, RF generators, magnets, and only God knows what else, but
he says he doesn't know what frequncies he used. It could take a lot of
money and a lot of time for somebody to stumble upon what he did and
re-create the effect. I have some ideas, but no mony to test them.
Pity....  :-(

I think I did hear about this guy.  If it's the same one, he had so much
equipment, including dish antennas on his outside walls, that he got in
trouble with the building owners or something.

And he didn't understand the science behind what he did - he just did it,
somehow...

Hey, that's the way a lot of new discoveries went. Very few people
ever had a theory and then set out to prove it could work.

Anyway, back to Hutchison... If he's the same guy, there's no way I'd
ever be able to collect a tenth of the stuff he's got - his whole
apartment was packed almost solid with equipment.  Radio stuff, tesla
coils, electromagnets, all kinds of stuff I couldn't identify.  Way
outside my budget, even if they gave it to me free (because I also have
no room for stuff like that).  And to be honest, I really wouldn't even
know where to begin with that.  I have not the slightest clue how anti-
gravity might work.

Nobody really knows how gravity works let alone a theory for anti-
gravity...

But just for the sake of argument, let's say that the Haisch/Rhueda/
Puthoff view of gravity & inertia is correct: that those forces are
byproducts of the zero-point field or the way the ZPF interacts with
matter.

My theory is that Huchinson's force field blocks off the ZPF so that
both gravity & inertia are effectively cut off. But as somebody onc
said, the ZPF holds matter together and with no ZPF, matter begins to
break apart. And unfortunately, that's what w see when the Huchison
field is on. If you cancel inertia, you can have star travel-- but not
a good thing if you ship falls apart. And let's say just for the hell
of it, the Philadelphia Experiment was real. According to [most]
descriptions, the field generators weren't all that complicated: a fw
RF sources and a whopping big magnetic coil. Stripping away so much
extraneous shit, those are the fundamental similarities between
Hutchison effect (HE) and the Philadelphia experiment (PE). If there's
a major difference, it's in the amount of power used in the PE;
Hutchinson uses so little power that it often took six days of field
saturation for an item to lift itself or demonstrate some other
effect. but the PE used kilowatts of power and got virtually an
instantaneous effect,

So down to basics: four RF filds and a magnetic field-- probably an
alternating one. Assuming you have worked out the frequencies, the
biggest problem is to cancel inertia but leaving nough ZPF to keep
matter together. or, how to create a secondary field that will alow
the neutralization of inertia but keep matter together at the same
time. There's been the observation that the ZPF gets more powerful
with frequency, so maybe-- just MAYBE-- it might be possible to use
lower frequencies that would allow ZPF penetration and yet allow
inertia be cancelled.... but I don't think so Or maybe it would work
the other way and one would use microwves as RF sources, but what the
hell do I know? ;-)

If I had the money, I'd see if there were different ways to get the RF
filds to interact such as maybe a field whre two wavs cancel each out
and mix that with an alternating magnetic field and see what happens.
Of cours, using enough powr to test a small area, say fifteen to
twenty watts.

About all I can manage is to piddle around with relatively small coils
and stuff, maybe some op-amps and oscillators and other things that
aren't too complicated.  It's not much, but it keeps me out of trouble.

I used to win the lottery 1 out of evey 4 times that I played; my
picture is on the wall of winners up in Vancouver, WA grocery store.
But when the buses stopped running up north, I was stuck playing
Oregon's crappy games and I don't win as often as I used to. Sometime,
sooner or later, I'll get my mojo back and start winning big bucks
again. Then after buying a house (I hate living in an apartment) I'll
hav the money to do a few preliminary expriements. I know Hutchison
has a truck-load of equipment, but how much of it actually did
anything to contribute to the HE? maybe it's like coca leaves where
only a small part is active cocaine and the rest is inert materials.


Ron


____________________

"If we all worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true is
really true, there would be little hope of advance."

-- Orville Wright —