Debug advice Kenmore coldspot 106-59422801 stopped refrigera

On 7/17/2016 5:18 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 23:22:01 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:

Debugging advice requested.

I ran out of options.
I can't think of anything else to do to debug.

One of the rare times in my life where I lost the battle to even *diagnose*
something, let alone fix it.

You might (simply) answer Stormy's
simple question. I have a bit of a
guess what is going on.

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On 7/17/2016 7:33 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:28:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

You might (simply) answer Stormy's
simple question. I have a bit of a
guess what is going on.

I have no idea *what question* you are asking.
In response to *this* post, would you kindly just ask the question?
Is it the polygamy question?

I asked it two or three times. I repeated,
changed the subject line to indicate there
is a question. You quoted it, my very
simple question (at least) three times in
your twenty post rehash. I've kindly asked,
reminded, reposted, encouraged, others have
highlighted the question, and no I'm not
going to do your job for you.

BTW, the simple answer should be five words
or less. I can answer it in three.

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learn more about Jesus
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This horse is long dead, flayed and flensed.

Please stop trying to feeding it.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
 
On 7/17/2016 8:47 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:14:36 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You might (simply) answer Stormy's
simple question. I have a bit of a
guess what is going on.

I have no idea *what question* you are asking.
In response to *this* post, would you kindly just ask the question?
Is it the polygamy question?


I asked it two or three times. I repeated,
changed the subject line to indicate there
is a question. You quoted it, my very
simple question (at least) three times in
your twenty post rehash. I've kindly asked,
reminded, reposted, encouraged, others have
highlighted the question, and no I'm not
going to do your job for you.

BTW, the simple answer should be five words
or less. I can answer it in three.

1. The
2. Warranty
3. Expired
-----
4. Long
5. Ago

Your answer is irrelevant to my question.

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..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:59:19 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I asked you a simple question.
I'm waiting.

1. The
2. Warranty
3. Expired
-------
4. Long
5. Ago
 
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:53:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

> A simple answer to my question would be nice.

I hate when I don't have proper diagnostic tools or data to fix things.
As a result, the wife ordered a new refrigerator to be delivered by Costco.
It will arrive in a couple of weeks (they say).

Meanwhile, I connected the hard-start cap at 9:44am this morning.
http://i.cubeupload.com/mWLx63.jpg

The 2010 Kenmore started immediately, pulling 3 amps from RUN & COMMON:
http://i.cubeupload.com/LTFfg0.jpg

The START pulled 0 amps & the condenser fan was hooked to its own power:
http://i.cubeupload.com/bAIYsz.jpg

The inside freezer starts to cool and the compressor output tube gets hot:
http://i.cubeupload.com/EgZeGQ.jpg

The top of the compressor heats to at least 138 degrees F:
http://i.cubeupload.com/dNVjt8.jpg

The compressor ran from 9:44 to 10:03 (19 minutes) and then shut down:
http://i.cubeupload.com/BDc73b.jpg

It pulls 12 amps when it tries to start for 19 seconds at 10:03, 10:08,
10:12, 10:15, 10:19, 10:23, etc.:
http://i.cubeupload.com/LITJgc.jpg

I can still cancel the Costco order.

Does anyone have any other ideas for debugging why the compressor won't
restart after the first start?
 
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 01:21:01 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:

What matters is that the compressor doesn't start, and only started two or
three times when I put the hard-start capacitor on it.

I hate when I don't have proper diagnostic tools or data to fix things.
As a result, the wife ordered a new refrigerator to be delivered by Costco.
It will arrive in a couple of weeks (they say).

Meanwhile, I connected the hard-start cap at 9:44am this morning.
http://i.cubeupload.com/mWLx63.jpg

The 2010 Kenmore started immediately, pulling 3 amps from RUN & COMMON:
http://i.cubeupload.com/LTFfg0.jpg

The START pulled 0 amps & the condenser fan was hooked to its own power:
http://i.cubeupload.com/bAIYsz.jpg

The inside freezer starts to cool and the compressor output tube gets hot:
http://i.cubeupload.com/EgZeGQ.jpg

The top of the compressor heats to at least 138 degrees F:
http://i.cubeupload.com/dNVjt8.jpg

The compressor ran from 9:44 to 10:03 (19 minutes) and then shut down:
http://i.cubeupload.com/BDc73b.jpg

It pulls 12 amps when it tries to start for 19 seconds at 10:03, 10:08,
10:12, 10:15, 10:19, 10:23, etc.:
http://i.cubeupload.com/LITJgc.jpg

I can still cancel the Costco order.

Does anyone have any other ideas for debugging why the compressor won't
restart after the first start?
 
The horse is dead. No amount of fresh hay will bring it back. You can have a new refrigerator today if you put your mind to it. Make your wife happy for once.

Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
 
On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 11:13:47 AM UTC-7, Danny D. wrote:

Does anyone have any other ideas for debugging why the compressor won't
restart after the first start?

Oh, that's obvious. The 'start relay' is a thermal device, once there's an
overload it requires a quarter hour or so to cool down before it can function
normally.
 
Christopher, can you perhaps leave "Jesus" out of your threads?
It's very irritating.


Cheers,


Gareth.
 
On 07/19/2016 05:37 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
Christopher, can you perhaps leave "Jesus" out of your threads? It's very irritating.
Cheers,
Gareth.


Pastor Orders Christian Men to Only Think About Jesus While Masturbating

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1100/masturbation.html
 
On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 23:22:01 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:

Debugging advice requested.
I have never debugged a refrigerator in my life.
I never even looked at the back of one before.

2010 Sears Kenmore coldspot 106-59422801 refrigerator/freezer just stopped
working at the same time that a periodic "humming and then clicking" noise
started happening.

Inside temperature this morning was 59F degrees in the frig and 49F in the
freezer (outside temperature is about 70F).

Both dial settings are on cold (mid range) where they were always left.
There is no on/off switch that we know about.
Electricity is working (fan and lights are working).

Fan is blowing full time (dunno if it always did that).
http://i.cubeupload.com/dQOTKL.jpg

Coils are at room temperature and are dusty:
http://i.cubeupload.com/jgkVXv.jpg

Compressor may not be turning on (how can we tell)?
http://i.cubeupload.com/p2OiCZ.jpg

No reason to suspect icemaker water supply yet:
http://i.cubeupload.com/myOvgH.jpg

Top of compressor is hot to the touch but not so hot as to burn (but pretty
hot otherwise):
http://i.cubeupload.com/wAX37P.jpg

We hear a humming noise kick on every five minutes for about 10 or 20
seconds and then a click when it shuts off:
http://tinypic.com/r/e6abk7/9

The only things new are the humming noise, and the fact that the
refrigerator and freezer aren't working.

First aim is to figure out how this thing works.
I was expecting to see a "motor" for the black compressor "bulb" but there
is no motor I can see - but the top of the black compressor "bulb" is hot
to the touch - but the coils are not.

I think the solenoid at the compressor "bulb" is what is making the noise.
Any debugging advice?

To update this thread, I replaced the Kenmore with a Whirlpool long ago.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

When I opened the back of the Whirlpool, I was surprised to find a Kenmore
build sheet inside. Everything is almost exactly the same in the Whirlpool
as it was in the Kenmore, even down to the capacitor and relay.

Even the shelves and wire racks were the same.

So Whirlpool *is* Kenmore and Kenmore is Whirlpool.

The current in the Whirlpool was lower than the Kenmore though, at about
1.2 amps when the compressor was running (it was about 3 amps, as I recall,
with the older fridge).
http://i.cubeupload.com/Wgo5LG.jpg

The new Whirlpool uses what appears to be a similar Embraco compressor
which uses R134a but with a much lower LRA of 11.7 amps (as opposed to the
17 point something locked rotor amperage of the older Kenmore fridge).
http://i.cubeupload.com/vn8fws.jpg

I've already had a service call, because the Whirlpool fridge is *supposed*
to keep to between 37 and 40 degrees F with the freezer between 10 and 0
degrees F, but the thing is about 5 to 10 degrees F too warm when both
settings are in the minimum position.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3UkX69.jpg

Funny thing, when you put the *freezer* at the minimum setting, the
*fridge* gets more air through the vent at top left (in this side-by-side
refrigerator/freezer combination). That's because lowering the temperature
in the freezer simply makes the vent open more of the fan air to the
refrigerator.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

It's confusing, and it's counterintuitive that when you set the freezer to
colder, the refrigerator gets *less* air, hence it's warmer. I don't know
what changes when you set the refrigerator colder though.

This is all I think I know:
1. The compressor only runs at one speed.
2. Therefore the compressor is either on, or it's off.
3. There is a condenser fan on the bottom of the refrigerator.
4. That condenser fan also only has one speed.
5. There is a fan in the back of the freezer about mid way up.
6. That fan also has only one speed.
7. There is no fan in the refrigerator.
8. The refrigerator has no coils and has no fans.
9. The evaporator coils are only in the back of the freezer.
10. So the freezer is what cools the refrigerator.
11. That's why lowering the freezer temperature raises the refrig
temperature (according to the service guy anyway).
12. The freezer dial apparently only controls the louvers of the air that
is blow by the freezer fan from the freezer to the refrigerator.
13. I have no idea what the refrigerator dial does.
 
On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:44:01 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

On 7/8/2016 7:47 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 7/8/2016 7:22 PM, Danny D. wrote:
Debugging advice requested.
I have never debugged a refrigerator in my life.
I never even looked at the back of one before.

2010 Sears Kenmore coldspot 106-59422801 refrigerator/freezer just
stopped
working at the same time that a periodic "humming and then clicking"
noise
started happening.

If it's out of warranty, [*are you any good with
electrical repairs*]? Please write back, and we'll
continue the discussion.


Since you missed the question the first time.

--
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org

To update this thread, I replaced the Kenmore with a Whirlpool long ago.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

When I opened the back of the Whirlpool, I was surprised to find a Kenmore
build sheet inside. Everything is almost exactly the same in the Whirlpool
as it was in the Kenmore, even down to the capacitor and relay.

Even the shelves and wire racks were the same.

So Whirlpool *is* Kenmore and Kenmore is Whirlpool.

The current in the Whirlpool was lower than the Kenmore though, at about
1.2 amps when the compressor was running (it was about 3 amps, as I recall,
with the older fridge).
http://i.cubeupload.com/Wgo5LG.jpg

The new Whirlpool uses what appears to be a similar Embraco compressor
which uses R134a but with a much lower LRA of 11.7 amps (as opposed to the
17 point something locked rotor amperage of the older Kenmore fridge).
http://i.cubeupload.com/vn8fws.jpg

I've already had a service call, because the Whirlpool fridge is *supposed*
to keep to between 37 and 40 degrees F with the freezer between 10 and 0
degrees F, but the thing is about 5 to 10 degrees F too warm when both
settings are in the minimum position.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3UkX69.jpg

Funny thing, when you put the *freezer* at the minimum setting, the
*fridge* gets more air through the vent at top left (in this side-by-side
refrigerator/freezer combination). That's because lowering the temperature
in the freezer simply makes the vent open more of the fan air to the
refrigerator.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

It's confusing, and it's counterintuitive that when you set the freezer to
colder, the refrigerator gets *less* air, hence it's warmer. I don't know
what changes when you set the refrigerator colder though.

This is all I think I know:
1. The compressor only runs at one speed.
2. Therefore the compressor is either on, or it's off.
3. There is a condenser fan on the bottom of the refrigerator.
4. That condenser fan also only has one speed.
5. There is a fan in the back of the freezer about mid way up.
6. That fan also has only one speed.
7. There is no fan in the refrigerator.
8. The refrigerator has no coils and has no fans.
9. The evaporator coils are only in the back of the freezer.
10. So the freezer is what cools the refrigerator.
11. That's why lowering the freezer temperature raises the refrig
temperature (according to the service guy anyway).
12. The freezer dial apparently only controls the louvers of the air that
is blow by the freezer fan from the freezer to the refrigerator.
13. I have no idea what the refrigerator dial does.
 
On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:52:43 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Please realize that Danny D claims to answer all
questions, but usually ignores the important
questions, even when asked several times. Danny
D appears to pick and choose what he sees, and
what he does. Even though he says I've helped
diagnose a couple of problems for him over the
years, he's lost my help on this refrig issue.
I can see a couple things that may very well be
big problems (and some simple things he can do).
But, not until he goes back and answers the
questions I've asked two or three times.

"for the last time" is a very wise thing to write.
I hope you keep your own word, and stop feeding
into this guy's analysis pyralysis.

If it had been my refrigerator, it would have
been fixed and running, long time ago. Danny D
doesn't appear to want it fixed, he's just doing
break down, analysis, flow charts, web pictures,
and videos.

Why spend any more time on a guy who's not serious?
I'm to the point where I glance at and delete the
posts with little attention to what he's playing
with.

--
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org

To update this thread, I replaced the Kenmore with a Whirlpool long ago.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

When I opened the back of the Whirlpool, I was surprised to find a Kenmore
build sheet inside. Everything is almost exactly the same in the Whirlpool
as it was in the Kenmore, even down to the capacitor and relay.

Even the shelves and wire racks were the same.

So Whirlpool *is* Kenmore and Kenmore is Whirlpool.

The current in the Whirlpool was lower than the Kenmore though, at about
1.2 amps when the compressor was running (it was about 3 amps, as I recall,
with the older fridge).
http://i.cubeupload.com/Wgo5LG.jpg

The new Whirlpool uses what appears to be a similar Embraco compressor
which uses R134a but with a much lower LRA of 11.7 amps (as opposed to the
17 point something locked rotor amperage of the older Kenmore fridge).
http://i.cubeupload.com/vn8fws.jpg

I've already had a service call, because the Whirlpool fridge is *supposed*
to keep to between 37 and 40 degrees F with the freezer between 10 and 0
degrees F, but the thing is about 5 to 10 degrees F too warm when both
settings are in the minimum position.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3UkX69.jpg

Funny thing, when you put the *freezer* at the minimum setting, the
*fridge* gets more air through the vent at top left (in this side-by-side
refrigerator/freezer combination). That's because lowering the temperature
in the freezer simply makes the vent open more of the fan air to the
refrigerator.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

It's confusing, and it's counterintuitive that when you set the freezer to
colder, the refrigerator gets *less* air, hence it's warmer. I don't know
what changes when you set the refrigerator colder though.

This is all I think I know:
1. The compressor only runs at one speed.
2. Therefore the compressor is either on, or it's off.
3. There is a condenser fan on the bottom of the refrigerator.
4. That condenser fan also only has one speed.
5. There is a fan in the back of the freezer about mid way up.
6. That fan also has only one speed.
7. There is no fan in the refrigerator.
8. The refrigerator has no coils and has no fans.
9. The evaporator coils are only in the back of the freezer.
10. So the freezer is what cools the refrigerator.
11. That's why lowering the freezer temperature raises the refrig
temperature (according to the service guy anyway).
12. The freezer dial apparently only controls the louvers of the air that
is blow by the freezer fan from the freezer to the refrigerator.
13. I have no idea what the refrigerator dial does.
 
On 8/5/2016 9:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:


Funny thing, when you put the *freezer* at the minimum setting, the
*fridge* gets more air through the vent at top left (in this side-by-side
refrigerator/freezer combination). That's because lowering the temperature
in the freezer simply makes the vent open more of the fan air to the
refrigerator.
http://i.cubeupload.com/3yXHsM.jpg

It's confusing, and it's counterintuitive that when you set the freezer to
colder, the refrigerator gets *less* air, hence it's warmer. I don't know
what changes when you set the refrigerator colder though.


10. So the freezer is what cools the refrigerator.
11. That's why lowering the freezer temperature raises the refrig
temperature (according to the service guy anyway).

Short term I can see that, especially if just loaded up or in very ho
weather. The temperatures should be able to balance where you want
them, though it may take 24 hours or so.

The compressor has a limited capacity so if you extract more heat from
the freezer, it will take less from the refrigerator section. One the
freezer is at the desired temperature the fridge section should be able
to catch up.

Many new units have dual systems. My Samsung keep each setting,
freezer, refrigerator, center drawer at the exact set temperature.
 
On the inside of the refrig in the freezer compartment
there will be a panel that can be removed. Once
removed, you will see the evaporator coils. If they
are caked with ice, that is the problem. They are
supposed to be ice-free, where the accumulated
frost is melted during the defrost cycle.
If the coils are solid with ice, the system can
no longer cool. There are three possible
problems, listed here in order of likelihood:

1 Defrost thermostat has failed. This is a
ten dollar part you can replace yourself
easily.

2 Defrost heater has failed. This part is
around $15-20 on the internet, plus shipping.
It is easy to replace.

3 Defrost timer has failed. This is more
complicated and depends a LOT on the design
of the refrigerator.

You can learn all about this by going to
google with the following search string :

Kenmore refrigerator doesn't cool.

There will be links there describing possible
solutions, videos showing how to do the repair,
and sources for buying the parts......

It ain't rocket surgery, but it does take
a bit of self-education......
 
On 8/5/2016 9:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:

When I opened the back of the Whirlpool, I was surprised to find a Kenmore
build sheet inside. Everything is almost exactly the same in the Whirlpool
as it was in the Kenmore, even down to the capacitor and relay.

Even the shelves and wire racks were the same.

So Whirlpool *is* Kenmore and Kenmore is Whirlpool.

Don't bet money on that. Kenmore can also be Electrolux (formerly
Frigidaire) LG, Samsung, and just about any other appliance manufacturer.
http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/sears.shtml
 
On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:18:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Don't bet money on that. Kenmore can also be Electrolux (formerly
Frigidaire) LG, Samsung, and just about any other appliance manufacturer.
http://www.appliance411.com/purchase/sears.shtml

Thanks for that update.

The funny thing is, just as we dropped Netflix on principle, and just as I
dropped Sears Craftsman (Poulan) chain saws on principle, I told my wife
we'd get any fridge other than a Kenmore, on principle.

My point is supply and demand pressure.

If everyone stopped buying products that prematurely fail, they'd have a
downward pressure on poor reliability.

Yet, the moment I opened up the bottom of the new Whirlpool fridge, a
Kenmore build sheet popped out.

The only thing different is the name plate.
Sigh.
 
On Fri, 05 Aug 2016 21:30:25 -0500, Mike Jones wrote:

3 Defrost timer has failed. This is more
complicated and depends a LOT on the design
of the refrigerator.

It must defrost on its own because I don't see any settings or buttons for
the defrost cycle.
 
On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 22:34:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Many new units have dual systems. My Samsung keep each setting,
freezer, refrigerator, center drawer at the exact set temperature.

We wanted a KISS refrigerator, just as we want a KISS washing machine and
dryer.

I remember when I was in college, we used the washing machines and dryers
in the laundry room of the dorm, where they pretty much had a slot for
quarters and a button for on and off (and maybe a water temperature
settings).

We wanted a refrigerator that was simple.
The only rule was that we would NOT reward Kenmore by buying another
Kenmore for the rest of our lives. That's a principle thing.

However, because of the layout of the kitchen, we were stuck with the
side-by-side doors so we ended up with a frige of the same type as the old.

We never expected it to be *exactly* the same though, since we bought
online and had it delivered. So we didn't realize that it was exactly the
same until it was delivered, and even then, until I took the backplate off,
I hadn't realized everything was exactly the same inside also.

Sigh. Fooled me they did.
 

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