Coronavirus and the Heart

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:28:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.

Darn, I thought I had made an original observation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-were-leaving-new-york-city-before-the-coronavirus-now-what-11587916800

https://news.trust.org/item/20200426145150-ho68p





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/2020 2:05 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

The "let 'er rip" crowd demands the poor in the service industries get
out there and die for them at lil protest gatherings for 20 minutes and
then runs back home and hides and orders bougie take-out from GrubHub
and types opinions into the computer like real bad-asses.

Cowardice is a conservative value

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:47:44 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:54:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:05 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.


The "let 'er rip" crowd demands the poor in the service industries get
out there and die for them at lil protest gatherings for 20 minutes and
then runs back home and hides and orders bougie take-out from GrubHub
and types opinions into the computer like real bad-asses.

Cowardice is a conservative value


Backwards. My liberal/progressive friends are terrified to leave home.
They won't even step inside our front door for free lemons; I leave a
baggie outside for them to pick up. My rare conservative pals are
going to work and not wearing masks. The huge range of fear and
not-fear is impressive.

Again, you fantasize people who don't actually exist, so you can mock
them. You seem to do that a lot.

Our occasional housekeeper lady isn't coming in now, but we are paying
her anyhow. How's that for conservative greed?

This one lemon is all it will take for tonight's lemon pie.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lltg2xxmv38f903/Lemon_Calc.jpg?raw=1

This one, still on the tree, is about the size and shape of a small
pumpkin.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f5ux77p6o12w7k/Lemon-pumpkin.jpg?raw=1

That looks like some kind of freakish citrus gourd. Do you live near a source of ionizing radiation?

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 15:04:00 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:48 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 2:44:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:41 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do
anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous
economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.



Lower-density states have enough trouble keeping their populations
fully-employed as it is. That's the reason they're low-density! If
well-paid jobs were all over the place there would be more people!
There's no well-paid work in say North Dakota unless you're qualified to
work in the industries that are big there like mining or gas extraction
or agriculture or military/defense. Otherwise you'll be working at Wal-Mart

One thing people can get even on a low income in Massachusetts is
state-assisted healthcare and dental care at low or no cost. If you lose
your job here you can at least still get medical coverage. What
advantage is there to leaving that situation to move to e.g. North
Dakota where you'll be making less money working one of the few
service-industry jobs available than unemployment insurance pays, plus
can't afford healthcare coverage?


they cal MA a "socialist state" no fuckin' Wyoming is a socialist state.
15% of the population works for the government. near 35% of state
revenue comes from the feds.

48% of the land in Wyoming is still owned by the Feds.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness later in time, maybe decades. It is more likely than not that many of the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.
Then this idea of hypersensitivity and disease enhancement, observed repeatedly with corona virus infection over decades of study, could and likely does explain the so-called higher mortality "second wave" fiasco expected in fall 2020/ winter 2021.

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

They can end the lockdown right now as long as people resolve to use their masks, wash their hands, keep their distance and stay home if they feel sick.

Right. Let them decide. Most people are terrified, so they will.

>The restaurant and bar/lounge industry as we know it is finished.

Forever? What's the exit strategy for that>


>Theaters/cinema should be okay with audience reduction.

And bankrupsies.

>Retail can resume with crowd density control.

Ditto. The biggies are gone already. I buy all my clothes and shoes
from Amazon. Except ski boots; you've got to try them on, and take
them back to be tweaked a couple of times.

All the paper pushers in the business workplace should be able to function as usual. Dunno exactly what those maniacs who scream and jump up and down at the stock exchange are doing, but they'll have to use some other method to communicate. Tell them to adapt or die. All the education stuff can go online and stay online- that part may be the best consequence of the pandemic. We have enough infrastructure to support telework, videoconferencing , and remote computing. Make the people who need it use it. Get all these damned commuters off the road. A lot of business travel especially as it pertains to sales is total bullshit. Make them go to skype or similar. Hopefully
all forms of vacation travel will be banned indefinitely. Most factories and warehouse operations shouldn't have a problem, except for low end sweatshop operations which will need to shut down until they figure out how to modernize themselves. Construction is still ongoing and no one is hearing about a bunch of people in that business getting sick. The governors are talking a good game, but just about all construction is continuing.
https://www.curbed.com/2020/3/30/21199753/coronavirus-covid-19-construction-industry
The list of activities is near endless I'm sure. Government authority will have to implement a reporting system, rewards based I'm sure, so they can shut down the abusers.





A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple
peaks. But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go
out and get infected.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

My original post is to stress that you don't want to catch this disease, period.

Of course not. But about 1/4 of the population will, and about all we
can do, at huge expense, is change when that happens.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:31:46 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/26/2020 3:20 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness later in time, maybe decades. It is more likely than not that many of the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.
Then this idea of hypersensitivity and disease enhancement, observed repeatedly with corona virus infection over decades of study, could and likely does explain the so-called higher mortality "second wave" fiasco expected in fall 2020/ winter 2021.

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

They can end the lockdown right now as long as people resolve to use their masks, wash their hands, keep their distance and stay home if they feel sick. The restaurant and bar/lounge industry as we know it is finished. Theaters/cinema should be okay with audience reduction. Retail can resume with crowd density control. All the paper pushers in the business workplace should be able to function as usual. Dunno exactly what those maniacs who scream and jump up and down at the stock exchange are doing, but they'll have to use some other method to communicate. Tell them to adapt or die. All the education stuff can go online and stay online- that part may be the best consequence of the pandemic. We have enough infrastructure to support telework, videoconferencing , and remote computing. Make the people who need it use it. Get all these damned commuters off the road. A lot of business travel especially as it pertains to sales is total bullshit. Make them go to skype or similar. Hopefully all forms of vacation travel will be banned indefinitely. Most factories and warehouse operations shouldn't have a problem, except for low end sweatshop operations which will need to shut down until they figure out how to modernize themselves. Construction is still ongoing and no one is hearing about a bunch of people in that business getting sick. The governors are talking a good game, but just about all construction is continuing.
https://www.curbed.com/2020/3/30/21199753/coronavirus-covid-19-construction-industry
The list of activities is near endless I'm sure. Government authority will have to implement a reporting system, rewards based I'm sure, so they can shut down the abusers.


You think the suburban mega-mall is finally done, too?

There's this big mall near me I used to go to as a kid. Its hey-day was
in the early 90s. A number of other malls were closed but this one
seemed to be hanging on still as of last year, mostly by re-orienting
towards women's clothing retailers, high-end jewelers, "eSports" gaming
facilities, stuff like that people still want to see in person.

Weird to think it may be the end for that place.

Those food courts need to be shut down. That ought to keep the loiterers away anyway.
The handwriting has been on the wall for those dumps for decades now, they just refuse to die. Must be the older crowd keeping them going, but that bunch is dying off, so it shouldn't be long now.

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:54:12 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:05 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.


The "let 'er rip" crowd demands the poor in the service industries get
out there and die for them at lil protest gatherings for 20 minutes and
then runs back home and hides and orders bougie take-out from GrubHub
and types opinions into the computer like real bad-asses.

Cowardice is a conservative value

Backwards. My liberal/progressive friends are terrified to leave home.
They won't even step inside our front door for free lemons; I leave a
baggie outside for them to pick up. My rare conservative pals are
going to work and not wearing masks. The huge range of fear and
not-fear is impressive.

Again, you fantasize people who don't actually exist, so you can mock
them. You seem to do that a lot.

Our occasional housekeeper lady isn't coming in now, but we are paying
her anyhow. How's that for conservative greed?

This one lemon is all it will take for tonight's lemon pie.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lltg2xxmv38f903/Lemon_Calc.jpg?raw=1

This one, still on the tree, is about the size and shape of a small
pumpkin.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1f5ux77p6o12w7k/Lemon-pumpkin.jpg?raw=1













--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/2020 3:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:58:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:51 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:28:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.


Darn, I thought I had made an original observation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-were-leaving-new-york-city-before-the-coronavirus-now-what-11587916800

https://news.trust.org/item/20200426145150-ho68p


Ya, people sometimes leave the city with one of the highest
costs-of-living on the planet, go figure. You don't have to move to
Nebraska to live better on a smaller budget, though.

I wonder why companies keep packing offices and employees into places
where a tiny 1br apartment costs 3K a month, and taxes and hassle are
high. Maybe over-funded startups figure that's where the glitz is.

You can get a second-floor studio apt on this street in downtown
Providence for under 1k/month, look at all this shocking urban decay.
Why you might be jumped by a vegan at any time!

<https://architecturehereandthere.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/dscn8329.jpg>

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/2020 4:02 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 4/26/2020 3:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:58:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:51 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:28:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do
anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple
peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out
and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the
point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would
die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous
economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.


Darn, I thought I had made an original observation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-were-leaving-new-york-city-before-the-coronavirus-now-what-11587916800


https://news.trust.org/item/20200426145150-ho68p


Ya, people sometimes leave the city with one of the highest
costs-of-living on the planet, go figure. You don't have to move to
Nebraska to live better on a smaller budget, though.

I wonder why companies keep packing offices and employees into places
where a tiny 1br apartment costs 3K a month, and taxes and hassle are
high. Maybe over-funded startups figure that's where the glitz is.



You can get a second-floor studio apt on this street in downtown
Providence for under 1k/month, look at all this shocking urban decay.
Why you might be jumped by a vegan at any time!

https://architecturehereandthere.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/dscn8329.jpg

Buddy Cianci the Republican/Independent/whatever mayor pumped a ton of
crooked funds at the construction unions in the 80s and 90s for urban
renewal projects in exchange for votes or whatever. Despite the
kickback-schemes though (and him going to jail for racketeering
eventually) they did a pretty good job on the projects

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/26/2020 3:39 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:48 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 2:44:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:41 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do
anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous
economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.



Lower-density states have enough trouble keeping their populations
fully-employed as it is. That's the reason they're low-density! If
well-paid jobs were all over the place there would be more people!
There's no well-paid work in say North Dakota unless you're qualified to
work in the industries that are big there like mining or gas extraction
or agriculture or military/defense. Otherwise you'll be working at Wal-Mart

One thing people can get even on a low income in Massachusetts is
state-assisted healthcare and dental care at low or no cost. If you lose
your job here you can at least still get medical coverage. What
advantage is there to leaving that situation to move to e.g. North
Dakota where you'll be making less money working one of the few
service-industry jobs available than unemployment insurance pays, plus
can't afford healthcare coverage?


they cal MA a "socialist state" no fuckin' Wyoming is a socialist state.
15% of the population works for the government. near 35% of state
revenue comes from the feds.

https://ballotpedia.org/Wyoming_state_budget_and_finances#Federal_aid_to_the_state_budget

Every state has two senators. Maybe they are swamping the budget for the entire state? Are they counted as federal employees? That could swamp out the employment numbers too! It's not a high population state.


Why move to the Rust Belt when you can move to say Rhode
Island/Providence and get basically all the cost-of-living advantages of
living in Toledo but still within 50 mile driving radius of some of the
best-paying employers in the country

Rhode Island? Toledo? You must have a high tolerance for ugliness.


Ya ohmygawd Providence is so ugly:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybzmymbbh27y3x/IMG_20180729_183000819_HDR.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvevn12u1jmi61j/21618003_10211119972012132_1461702570940208008_n.jpg?dl=0

Not every city in the Northeast in 2020 is the South Bronx in 1979

https://www.ecori.org/pollution-contamination/2017/4/10/providence-air-pollution-among-worst-in-us

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 16:02:30 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 3:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:58:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:51 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:28:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.


Darn, I thought I had made an original observation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-were-leaving-new-york-city-before-the-coronavirus-now-what-11587916800

https://news.trust.org/item/20200426145150-ho68p


Ya, people sometimes leave the city with one of the highest
costs-of-living on the planet, go figure. You don't have to move to
Nebraska to live better on a smaller budget, though.

I wonder why companies keep packing offices and employees into places
where a tiny 1br apartment costs 3K a month, and taxes and hassle are
high. Maybe over-funded startups figure that's where the glitz is.



You can get a second-floor studio apt on this street in downtown
Providence for under 1k/month, look at all this shocking urban decay.
Why you might be jumped by a vegan at any time!

https://architecturehereandthere.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/dscn8329.jpg

We took a walk yesterday in the old Bernal Cut, which is now San Jose
avenue. It's surprising how many of the overpaid downtown apartment
dwelling lumbersexual brogrammers never get away from the dense,
concrete, expensive parts of town.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/82knlnruobhkkbo/AAAcl2Ten9zw6tA3G0IhEaPVa?dl=0

That door was somehow inspired by a passage in Steppenwolf, which book
I never made it through.


--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-26 16:17, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 16:02:30 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 3:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:58:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:51 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:28:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.


Darn, I thought I had made an original observation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-were-leaving-new-york-city-before-the-coronavirus-now-what-11587916800

https://news.trust.org/item/20200426145150-ho68p


Ya, people sometimes leave the city with one of the highest
costs-of-living on the planet, go figure. You don't have to move to
Nebraska to live better on a smaller budget, though.

I wonder why companies keep packing offices and employees into places
where a tiny 1br apartment costs 3K a month, and taxes and hassle are
high. Maybe over-funded startups figure that's where the glitz is.



You can get a second-floor studio apt on this street in downtown
Providence for under 1k/month, look at all this shocking urban decay.
Why you might be jumped by a vegan at any time!

https://architecturehereandthere.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/dscn8329.jpg


We took a walk yesterday in the old Bernal Cut, which is now San Jose
avenue. It's surprising how many of the overpaid downtown apartment
dwelling lumbersexual brogrammers never get away from the dense,
concrete, expensive parts of town.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/82knlnruobhkkbo/AAAcl2Ten9zw6tA3G0IhEaPVa?dl=0

That door was somehow inspired by a passage in Steppenwolf, which book
I never made it through.

Neither did I.

I really liked "Magister Ludi" though.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/2020 3:39 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:48 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 2:44:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:41 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do
anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous
economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.



Lower-density states have enough trouble keeping their populations
fully-employed as it is. That's the reason they're low-density! If
well-paid jobs were all over the place there would be more people!
There's no well-paid work in say North Dakota unless you're qualified to
work in the industries that are big there like mining or gas extraction
or agriculture or military/defense. Otherwise you'll be working at Wal-Mart

One thing people can get even on a low income in Massachusetts is
state-assisted healthcare and dental care at low or no cost. If you lose
your job here you can at least still get medical coverage. What
advantage is there to leaving that situation to move to e.g. North
Dakota where you'll be making less money working one of the few
service-industry jobs available than unemployment insurance pays, plus
can't afford healthcare coverage?


they cal MA a "socialist state" no fuckin' Wyoming is a socialist state.
15% of the population works for the government. near 35% of state
revenue comes from the feds.

https://ballotpedia.org/Wyoming_state_budget_and_finances#Federal_aid_to_the_state_budget

Every state has two senators. Maybe they are swamping the budget for the entire state? Are they counted as federal employees? That could swamp out the employment numbers too! It's not a high population state.


Why move to the Rust Belt when you can move to say Rhode
Island/Providence and get basically all the cost-of-living advantages of
living in Toledo but still within 50 mile driving radius of some of the
best-paying employers in the country

Rhode Island? Toledo? You must have a high tolerance for ugliness.

Ya ohmygawd Providence is so ugly:

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybzmymbbh27y3x/IMG_20180729_183000819_HDR.jpg?dl=0>

<https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvevn12u1jmi61j/21618003_10211119972012132_1461702570940208008_n.jpg?dl=0>

Not every city in the Northeast in 2020 is the South Bronx in 1979

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/2020 4:15 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 3:39 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 3:04:03 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:48 PM, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 2:44:12 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:41 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:28 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do
anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous
economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.



Lower-density states have enough trouble keeping their populations
fully-employed as it is. That's the reason they're low-density! If
well-paid jobs were all over the place there would be more people!
There's no well-paid work in say North Dakota unless you're qualified to
work in the industries that are big there like mining or gas extraction
or agriculture or military/defense. Otherwise you'll be working at Wal-Mart

One thing people can get even on a low income in Massachusetts is
state-assisted healthcare and dental care at low or no cost. If you lose
your job here you can at least still get medical coverage. What
advantage is there to leaving that situation to move to e.g. North
Dakota where you'll be making less money working one of the few
service-industry jobs available than unemployment insurance pays, plus
can't afford healthcare coverage?


they cal MA a "socialist state" no fuckin' Wyoming is a socialist state.
15% of the population works for the government. near 35% of state
revenue comes from the feds.

https://ballotpedia.org/Wyoming_state_budget_and_finances#Federal_aid_to_the_state_budget

Every state has two senators. Maybe they are swamping the budget for the entire state? Are they counted as federal employees? That could swamp out the employment numbers too! It's not a high population state.


Why move to the Rust Belt when you can move to say Rhode
Island/Providence and get basically all the cost-of-living advantages of
living in Toledo but still within 50 mile driving radius of some of the
best-paying employers in the country

Rhode Island? Toledo? You must have a high tolerance for ugliness.


Ya ohmygawd Providence is so ugly:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cybzmymbbh27y3x/IMG_20180729_183000819_HDR.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qvevn12u1jmi61j/21618003_10211119972012132_1461702570940208008_n.jpg?dl=0

Not every city in the Northeast in 2020 is the South Bronx in 1979

https://www.ecori.org/pollution-contamination/2017/4/10/providence-air-pollution-among-worst-in-us

Says "worst in New England." I'd imagine it would have the most smog in
the state - it's the only major city in the state!

That I-95 cuts through the center of the city doesn't help that's true,
a legacy of 1950s-era urban planning. Unlike Boston there's no money to
re-route it.

Whoops someone made an oopsie at the power plant. Little fire for a
little city. The smallest bar in the city seats six people.

<https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news/providence/crews-respond-to-fire-at-manchester-street-station-in-providence/>

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-26 13:35, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 26/04/20 17:44, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was asymptomatic
doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the
kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered
internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness
later in time, maybe decades. It is  more likely than not that many of
the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.

Nice to see you're keeping your typically ebullient, positive mental
outlook on the situation, Fred. @@

I've often wondered if he uses a nym, and his real name is Jeremiah.

Jeremiah actually had a lot of positive things to say. For real
negativity you have to go to Greta or Moore or Soros.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 4:18:04 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 16:02:30 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 3:34 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 14:58:18 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 2:51 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:28:03 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:05:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

Varies from country to country. The important thing is to NOT do anything
the WHO is demanding. Whatever they may or may not know about health,
their standpoint is indefensible economically.

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple peaks.
But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go out and
get infected.

It will keep frontline healthcare workers almost constantly at the point
of exhaustion (and beyond) for an indefinite period.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

They should have let the damn thing rip IMO. Yes, many of us would die
(and I'm at in an elevated risk group myself) but the dragged-out way
this is being handled is going to have damaging and even ruinous economic
consequences for a huge proportion of people all around the world.

Yes, especially the poorest places where people were already
struggling to keep themselves and their kids alive.

Assuming that this is not just another seasonal cold, voluntary
distancing and sanitation would be effective; enough people are
terrified for that to mostly work. Shutting down the world economy for
some indefinite time is doing a great deal of harm that will outlast
this epidemic. This is not about "profit", it's about survival.

Again, I have seen no coherent plan for an exit strategy. Some places
will extend the lockdown, some will go back to work soon, some have
never locked down. Maybe some will lock down until there is a vaccine,
in a year or two or never. We'll have data one day.

Prediction: this will increase migration from the big urban centers,
especially US northeast, to lower density states. This will increase
economic inequality.


Darn, I thought I had made an original observation.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/people-were-leaving-new-york-city-before-the-coronavirus-now-what-11587916800

https://news.trust.org/item/20200426145150-ho68p


Ya, people sometimes leave the city with one of the highest
costs-of-living on the planet, go figure. You don't have to move to
Nebraska to live better on a smaller budget, though.

I wonder why companies keep packing offices and employees into places
where a tiny 1br apartment costs 3K a month, and taxes and hassle are
high. Maybe over-funded startups figure that's where the glitz is.



You can get a second-floor studio apt on this street in downtown
Providence for under 1k/month, look at all this shocking urban decay.
Why you might be jumped by a vegan at any time!

https://architecturehereandthere.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/dscn8329.jpg


We took a walk yesterday in the old Bernal Cut, which is now San Jose
avenue. It's surprising how many of the overpaid downtown apartment
dwelling lumbersexual brogrammers never get away from the dense,
concrete, expensive parts of town.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/82knlnruobhkkbo/AAAcl2Ten9zw6tA3G0IhEaPVa?dl=0

That door was somehow inspired by a passage in Steppenwolf, which book
I never made it through.

Impossible to tolerate that drivel without being on an LSD trip.

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Mike Coon]

In article <c8be28dd-d0ad-400a-999a-b202e4795626@googlegroups.com>,
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com says...

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was
asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was.

I have recently had a heart checkup because I have had open-heart
surgery and have an implanted pacemaker. It is quite clear from the use
of the word "asymptomatic" in the report that it means I am not aware of
a problem. Not that if I were to run a marathon I would not have any
handicap. Or that all sorts of atypical operation cannot be discovered
by use of ultrasound and electrocardiogram. My understanding is that I
do not have what is usually meant by "heart disease"!

 

[Phil Hobbs]

On 2020-04-26 10:55, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was
asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a
clue about the kinds of more subtle damage that can occur.
snip

A symptom is something the patient reports, such as fatigue or shortness
of breath. A sign is what a doctor or other onlooker reports, such as
cyanosis or lassitude. If those exhausted the possibilities, we'd need
no medical tests.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com

 

[bitrex]

On 4/26/2020 4:48 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:

On 2020-04-26 13:35, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 26/04/20 17:44, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was
asymptomatic
doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the
kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered
internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness
later in time, maybe decades. It is  more likely than not that many of
the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.

Nice to see you're keeping your typically ebullient, positive mental
outlook on the situation, Fred. @@

I've often wondered if he uses a nym, and his real name is Jeremiah.


Jeremiah actually had a lot of positive things to say.  For real
negativity you have to go to Greta or Moore or Soros.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

The virus has certainly taken on near-mythological properties that are a
bit much for even this "leftist" to swallow.

"subtle internal organ damage" happens all the time from many causes and
is repaired. Even more serious impact on internal organs occurs from
e.g. starvation! Holocaust survivors eating starvation-rations for
months and years isn't good for the internal organs either but as far as
it's been studied long-term mortality among survivors doesn't appear
particularly worse than the general population:

<https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720067>

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 6:43:11 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/26/2020 4:48 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 2020-04-26 13:35, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 26/04/20 17:44, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was
asymptomatic
doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the
kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered
internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness
later in time, maybe decades. It is  more likely than not that many of
the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.

Nice to see you're keeping your typically ebullient, positive mental
outlook on the situation, Fred. @@

I've often wondered if he uses a nym, and his real name is Jeremiah.


Jeremiah actually had a lot of positive things to say.  For real
negativity you have to go to Greta or Moore or Soros.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


The virus has certainly taken on near-mythological properties that are a
bit much for even this "leftist" to swallow.

"subtle internal organ damage" happens all the time from many causes and
is repaired. Even more serious impact on internal organs occurs from
e.g. starvation! Holocaust survivors eating starvation-rations for
months and years isn't good for the internal organs either but as far as
it's been studied long-term mortality among survivors doesn't appear
particularly worse than the general population:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720067

Interesting but irrelevant. Damage to the endothelium, which occurs during infection with the corona virus, will lead to atherosclerosis.