Coronavirus and the Heart

[Bill Sloman]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:10:25 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:44:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 2:54:14 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 2:05 PM, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:01:30 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

<snip>

The "let 'er rip" crowd demands the poor in the service industries get
out there and die for them at lil protest gatherings for 20 minutes and
then runs back home and hides and orders bougie take-out from GrubHub
and types opinions into the computer like real bad-asses.

Cowardice is a Liberal value

I think so. Leftists want to be insured and protected.

That's not cowardice but prudence.

Rightist insist on huge spending on the police and the army to make sure that they are not burglarised and invaded.

Wouldn't that be cowardice too?

In reality, rightist resent money spent on protecting anything that isn't theirs - property in the case of the police and the army, and are silly enough not to realise the danger to their own lives of epidemic infections.

John Larkin and James Arthur have consistently played down the risk of getting killed by Covid-19. Presumably they want to think that they won't get it and it won't kill them if they do get it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricky C]

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:06:47 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

Compared to what? What do you think will be the outcome if we do nothing? Once you have that, then we can consider approaches that may be better..

So what is your expectation if we do nothing and how did you come to the result?

--

The choice is not between doing nothing and doing a lockdown. The choice is between doing everything possible except having a lockdown and doing a lockdown as well as everything else. Having a lockdown means about 30 million people will still be working and 300 million will be unemployed.

You are saying you want me to come out of retirement and work??? Very odd numbers since on a good day we don't have 300 million working, so it would be hard to have that many unemployed.

These discussions are actually pretty boring. People seem to want to post a bunch of drivel that means nothing (like your numbers) to try to score points. Larkin is one of the worst offenders then he complains that no one wants to discuss the issues.

Having a lockdown is the only way to stem the rate of infection. If done right, we would only need to be under lock down for a month or so and the infection rates would drop off to nearly nothing like in Norway and China. But something is wrong and we still have the highest daily new infection numbers we've had since the disease first came to the US as well as the highest daily death numbers.

So don't whine to me about only 30 million people working. Complain to someone who can do something about the lockdown not working. That's the problem we need to solve. If we can't get the infection rates low enough to do useful contact tracing and quarantine everyone with the disease, we not only will have the infection sweeping through the population, we won't have enough healthy people to work the jobs you want to put them back into.

Look at how we have over 800,000 infected at the moment and only 118,000 recovered and 55,000 deaths!!! Are you the same sort of denialist as Larkin who thinks there is nothing wrong with these numbers??? Open up the lock down and we will have millions infected, a lot more deaths and a lot fewer people to work!

I wish it could be like a si-fi show where we can ignore the disease, see how terrible it becomes and then go back to an alternate time line and do things right.

Why do people refuse to accept the fact that ignoring this disease is literally the worst thing we can do. I guess part of the problem is that doing the lock down half way is a close second.

A plague o' both your houses! Oh, that's what we have, isn't it?

--

Rick C.

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On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 4/26/2020 10:16 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:ba5b933a-8f72-43f9-a8e3-b093f0b01158@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the chaos? Or even cost lives?

Costs lives. It doesn't save people from dying, only changes the
date. Plus it adds lots of deaths from previously preventable
causes.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Well if that is the case then we should shut everything including the
food infrastructure and whomever survives that gets what's left.

You Dr.Phil mentality idiots are fucked in the head.


James Arthur is the definition of "arrogant ass."

You're always inventing enemies. That's weird.

I'm for saving lives, and you're not. That makes me an enemy?

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:06:47 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness later in time, maybe decades. It is more likely than not that many of the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.
Then this idea of hypersensitivity and disease enhancement, observed repeatedly with corona virus infection over decades of study, could and likely does explain the so-called higher mortality "second wave" fiasco expected in fall 2020/ winter 2021.

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple
peaks. But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go
out and get infected.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

Compared to what? What do you think will be the outcome if we do nothing? Once you have that, then we can consider approaches that may be better..

So what is your expectation if we do nothing and how did you come to the result?

--

The choice is not between doing nothing and doing a lockdown. The choice is between doing everything possible except having a lockdown and doing a lockdown as well as everything else. Having a lockdown means about 30 million people will still be working and 300 million will be unemployed.

Dan

True. I think the most sensible thing is for vulnerable people to
stay hunkered down, while the rest of us take care of them and
ride this thing out.

If we find a treatment or a vaccine before then, everyone's golden.

Cheers,
James Arthur

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 2:07:30 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:06:47 PM UTC-4, dca...@krl.org wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness later in time, maybe decades. It is more likely than not that many of the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.
Then this idea of hypersensitivity and disease enhancement, observed repeatedly with corona virus infection over decades of study, could and likely does explain the so-called higher mortality "second wave" fiasco expected in fall 2020/ winter 2021.

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple
peaks. But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go
out and get infected.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

Compared to what? What do you think will be the outcome if we do nothing? Once you have that, then we can consider approaches that may be better.

So what is your expectation if we do nothing and how did you come to the result?

--

The choice is not between doing nothing and doing a lockdown. The choice is between doing everything possible except having a lockdown and doing a lockdown as well as everything else. Having a lockdown means about 30 million people will still be working and 300 million will be unemployed.

Dan

True. I think the most sensible thing is for vulnerable people to
stay hunkered down, while the rest of us take care of them and
ride this thing out.

If we find a treatment or a vaccine before then, everyone's golden.

In case you haven't heard, the only person who is invulnerable is superman.

Besides, there's no place to hide. With everyone else running around like it's spring break they keep dragging it into the places where the rest of us live and people who live without get infected and die while you enjoy yourself. Yeah, that's a fair shake.

How about this. If you think that is a good idea, go ahead and hang out with infected people at the hospital and get infected. Then I'll listen to you whine about not being able to get a haircut.

Dying isn't about numbers or age or any of your bullshit. When someone dies it hurts everyone around them. Knowing they died because of selfish people like you makes it even worse for everyone. Selfish people, could be a Randy Newman song.

--

Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 4/27/2020 2:08 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 10:16 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:ba5b933a-8f72-43f9-a8e3-b093f0b01158@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the chaos? Or even cost lives?

Costs lives. It doesn't save people from dying, only changes the
date. Plus it adds lots of deaths from previously preventable
causes.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Well if that is the case then we should shut everything including the
food infrastructure and whomever survives that gets what's left.

You Dr.Phil mentality idiots are fucked in the head.


James Arthur is the definition of "arrogant ass."

You're always inventing enemies. That's weird.

I'm for saving lives, and you're not. That makes me an enemy?

Cheers,
James Arthur

Oh, honey. You're not my "enemy." "Enemy" is a term most people reserve
for someone who kills their mother or something, not Usenet-yakkers with
delusions of grandeur.

 

dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:50e55122-7c08-4c6d-b1f9-6707301130bf@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 10:16 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org
wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:ba5b933a-8f72-43f9-a8e3-b093f0b01158@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the chaos? Or even cost lives?

Costs lives. It doesn't save people from dying, only changes
the date. Plus it adds lots of deaths from previously
preventable causes.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Well if that is the case then we should shut everything
including the food infrastructure and whomever survives that
gets what's left.

You Dr.Phil mentality idiots are fucked in the head.


James Arthur is the definition of "arrogant ass."

You're always inventing enemies. That's weird.

I'm for saving lives, and you're not. That makes me an enemy?

By going back out and starting the transmission routes again?
Yes, idiot, you are an enemy because you are not for "saving lives",
you are for keeping your head up Trump's ass.

And yes, Trump supporters are enemies of the United States of
America.

If you still back the murderous idiot after all he has fucked up,
you are an enemy of my nation. You dig, you pathetic, blind as a bat
putz!?

My nation does not back incompetent murderous jackasses.

 

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:c8697f7a-b423-4812-b2d5-426ee6f45b5d@googlegroups.com:

John Larkin and James Arthur have consistently played down the
risk of getting killed by Covid-19. Presumably they want to think
that they won't get it and it won't kill them if they do get it.

I say that these type of idiots need a nice facility (an old prison
will do) here they can go and get it and then prove to us how harmless
it is.

The motherfuckers should be lined up and shot for getting an
education then ignoring it.

It is like elementary school all over again every fucking day with
you fucking idiots. (TrumpTardsŠ).

 

Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:a98035b9-7b81-4433-a422-4cd129e308f8@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:27:39 PM UTC-4,
dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnol
ogy.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the chaos? Or even cost lives?

Costs lives. It doesn't save people from dying, only changes the
date. Plus it adds lots of deaths from previously preventable
causes.

Cheers,
James Arthur

If people took the disease seriously the lock down has the
potential for essentially ridding the country of the disease.
Look at China and Norway. But that won't happen unless everyone
participates. Well, at least all the people who aren't in
hospitals and the morgues.

Like Trump, they are far too stupid to see that to stop it, we need
to stop for a while. The world will recover, but how well depends on
leaders, not jackasses claiming to be leaders running around making
excuses for failing to act. Going around killing programs that would
have addressed this correctly and well before anything he did. That
is his failure. His hatred for Obama is going to come back around
and bite him in the ass. However, his dangerous acts have also
bitten US in the ass, and y'all dumb motherfuckers need to open your
eyes and see that fact.

 

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:10:15 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:44:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

Cowardice is a Liberal value

I think so. Leftists want to be insured and protected.

And they'd give up any and all of the precious rights they enjoy in
exchange for some illusory "security" promised them by their lords and
masters in the DP. Pathetic!

 

[Ricky C]

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 7:18:39 AM UTC-4, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:

Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
news:c8697f7a-b423-4812-b2d5-426ee6f45b5d@googlegroups.com:

John Larkin and James Arthur have consistently played down the
risk of getting killed by Covid-19. Presumably they want to think
that they won't get it and it won't kill them if they do get it.


I say that these type of idiots need a nice facility (an old prison
will do) here they can go and get it and then prove to us how harmless
it is.

That's not an entirely unreasonable premise. If they have the disease they need to be quarantined, so why not have infection wards where those who think this disease is no big deal can go to get exposed and eventually either come out recovered (presumably immune) or dead (but with great looking hair)? Meanwhile they are not putting others at risk who reasonably believe this disease is dangerous.

Who does the hair of people who die of COVID-19???

--

Rick C.

--- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:531dc35f-a334-
4f8a-9531-021c94f34845@googlegroups.com:

Who does the hair of people who die of COVID-19???

Wigmakers or would be hairtakers.

Not caretakers.

Instead of giving organs, folks could donate things like hair.

Hair Doers-R-Us?

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:06:42 -0700 (PDT), "dcaster@krl.org"
<dcaster@krl.org> wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:26:12 PM UTC-4, Ricky C wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 07:55:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

Just because someone self-reports their virus infection was asymptomatic doesn't mean it actually was. The majority don't have a clue about the kinds of more subtle damage that can occur. They could have suffered internal organ damage that will develop into serious chronic illness later in time, maybe decades. It is more likely than not that many of the millions people who have been "exposed" are damaged in some way.
Then this idea of hypersensitivity and disease enhancement, observed repeatedly with corona virus infection over decades of study, could and likely does explain the so-called higher mortality "second wave" fiasco expected in fall 2020/ winter 2021.

What is the exit strategy for the economic lockdown?

A common, and probably silly, prediction is that there will be
oscillatory cycles of lockdown relief and re-infection, multiple
peaks. But however we relax lockdown, it will free some people to go
out and get infected.

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just prolong the
chaos? Or even cost lives?

Compared to what? What do you think will be the outcome if we do nothing? Once you have that, then we can consider approaches that may be better.

So what is your expectation if we do nothing and how did you come to the result?

--

The choice is not between doing nothing and doing a lockdown. The choice is between doing everything possible except having a lockdown and doing a lockdown as well as everything else. Having a lockdown means about 30 million people will still be working and 300 million will be unemployed.

Dan

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

No offense intended, but you, and most everyone else, are talking like
an economist, presenting possible choices.

I pay people to think and then decide what to do.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

Ricky C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in news:531dc35f-a334-
4f8a-9531-021c94f34845@googlegroups.com:

> or dead (but with great looking hair)?

20 years oughtta do it.

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 23:08:41 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 10:44:06 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/26/2020 10:16 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:ba5b933a-8f72-43f9-a8e3-b093f0b01158@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the chaos? Or even cost lives?

Costs lives. It doesn't save people from dying, only changes the
date. Plus it adds lots of deaths from previously preventable
causes.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Well if that is the case then we should shut everything including the
food infrastructure and whomever survives that gets what's left.

You Dr.Phil mentality idiots are fucked in the head.


James Arthur is the definition of "arrogant ass."

You're always inventing enemies. That's weird.

I'm for saving lives, and you're not. That makes me an enemy?

Cheers,
James Arthur

I really think there is a certain glee that some people get from
contemplating other peoples' death. That's probably tribal/biological.
Look at the big-selling "action" movies, which are, lately, non-stop
celebrations of team gore.

Some people in this group have made death threats to people they
disagree with. Actually, they are probably gamers who blast people on
screens but would cry for mama in the face of actual confrontation.
Still, their killing fantasies are sick.

Design is fantasizing order and structure, building beautiful things
that work. People who hate and fantasize destruction aren't good at
that.

B keeps inventing villains who don't actually exist, so he can hate
them and dream of killing them. Video game mentality. Mostly harmless.





--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:44:01 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/26/2020 10:16 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote in
news:ba5b933a-8f72-43f9-a8e3-b093f0b01158@googlegroups.com:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 1:01:45 PM UTC-4,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

My big question: did/does lockdown net save lives? Or just
prolong the chaos? Or even cost lives?

Costs lives. It doesn't save people from dying, only changes the
date. Plus it adds lots of deaths from previously preventable
causes.

Cheers,
James Arthur

Well if that is the case then we should shut everything including the
food infrastructure and whomever survives that gets what's left.

You Dr.Phil mentality idiots are fucked in the head.


James Arthur is the definition of "arrogant ass."

I've known him for decades. He's nice, smart, thoughtful, a good
engineer, and has a great singing voice. He has some spread-spectrum
patents. But he skis in short pants, which I think is scandalous.

Who wants to see all those bony legs when you're concentrating on your
turns?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bgu1x1ajlk3rpit/July_4_Bikini.jpg?raw=1




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[bitrex]

On 4/27/2020 11:58 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:37 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:43:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

The virus has certainly taken on near-mythological properties that are a
bit much for even this "leftist" to swallow.

Yep, along with an impressive number of scientific publications on the
topic:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=covid+19
163,000 hits in the last 100 days or so.

"subtle internal organ damage" happens all the time from many causes and
is repaired. Even more serious impact on internal organs occurs from
e.g. starvation! Holocaust survivors eating starvation-rations for
months and years isn't good for the internal organs either but as far as
it's been studied long-term mortality among survivors doesn't appear
particularly worse than the general population:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720067

Thanks. That article will be handy.

I would agree that the long term effects of a starvation diet did not
produce Holocaust survivors that would drop dead randomly from "subtle
internal organ damage". Both my parents and my step mother were
survivors of various camps in Poland. My father died at age 86, my
mother at 53, and my step mother at 80. Various relatives mostly made
it into their 80's, with a few exceptions dying much earlier.

When I lived in Smog Angeles, my parents (and I) were members of what
was then called "The 1939 Club". It's now called "The 1939 Society".
https://www.the1939society.org
and was at the time composed mostly of Polish Holocaust survivors.
Through this organization, I met many other Holocaust survivors. They
are now long dead, but as I recall, most were quite old (70's and
80's) when they died. The few exceptions that died earlier, such as
my mother, had something in common. All died from various
cardiovascular problems. What happened was they mostly came from the
Krakow or Katowice area of southern Poland. Prior to 1939, the lower
classes didn't travel much and tended to live in ghettos. The result
was substantial inbreeding, which tended to bring out the worst in
hereditary maladies. In my case and my extended family, it was heart
and circulatory problems. Without those problems, I'm sure those that
died early would have lived as long as the others.

It was absolutely disgusting what happened to the Jews in Poland and I am mystified as to why the hell all the hatred. The population of Jews there was small, the communities were small, the people were mostly working class trades people. But for some reason both the Nazis and the Poles wanted them all dead and gone.
I'm sure you've seen this movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Sobibor
Those f'ing Russian scum mislead the prisoners with a sh_t escape plan, just using the prisoners as fodder to provide cover for themselves from the tower machine guns. Then they abandoned their group of 60 prisoners in the forest, misleading them again, when they knew the smallest group was better able to avoid detection, move faster, and leave less of a trace. The escapees had not only the Germans after them but also the Polish vigilantes, only too happen to hunt them down and turn them over to the Germans.
As far as I could find out, the movie was factually accurate in the most important details.

"The Narcissism of Small Differences"

The Jews in Europe were very much like Europeans. And yet they wee not
Europeans. This made them very ideal targets for persecution, even more
so than a small community of say black Africans.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley>

 

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:46:15 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
<cd@not4mail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:10:15 -0700, jlarkin wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:44:51 -0700 (PDT), Michael Terrell
terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

Cowardice is a Liberal value

I think so. Leftists want to be insured and protected.

And they'd give up any and all of the precious rights they enjoy in
exchange for some illusory "security" promised them by their lords and
masters in the DP. Pathetic!

The essence of leftism, really the definition, is that we benefit from
increased collective action and public authority. The problem is that
nobody is very good at managing an economy or a society, and most are
much worse than useless at it.

The essence of conservative/libertarian thought is "leave me alone and
I'll take care of myself."

If you graph, over history, human misery vs central control, it's a
strong upward slope.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:37 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:43:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

The virus has certainly taken on near-mythological properties that are a
bit much for even this "leftist" to swallow.

Yep, along with an impressive number of scientific publications on the
topic:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=covid+19
163,000 hits in the last 100 days or so.

"subtle internal organ damage" happens all the time from many causes and
is repaired. Even more serious impact on internal organs occurs from
e.g. starvation! Holocaust survivors eating starvation-rations for
months and years isn't good for the internal organs either but as far as
it's been studied long-term mortality among survivors doesn't appear
particularly worse than the general population:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720067

Thanks. That article will be handy.

I would agree that the long term effects of a starvation diet did not
produce Holocaust survivors that would drop dead randomly from "subtle
internal organ damage". Both my parents and my step mother were
survivors of various camps in Poland. My father died at age 86, my
mother at 53, and my step mother at 80. Various relatives mostly made
it into their 80's, with a few exceptions dying much earlier.

When I lived in Smog Angeles, my parents (and I) were members of what
was then called "The 1939 Club". It's now called "The 1939 Society".
https://www.the1939society.org
and was at the time composed mostly of Polish Holocaust survivors.
Through this organization, I met many other Holocaust survivors. They
are now long dead, but as I recall, most were quite old (70's and
80's) when they died. The few exceptions that died earlier, such as
my mother, had something in common. All died from various
cardiovascular problems. What happened was they mostly came from the
Krakow or Katowice area of southern Poland. Prior to 1939, the lower
classes didn't travel much and tended to live in ghettos. The result
was substantial inbreeding, which tended to bring out the worst in
hereditary maladies. In my case and my extended family, it was heart
and circulatory problems. Without those problems, I'm sure those that
died early would have lived as long as the others.

It was absolutely disgusting what happened to the Jews in Poland and I am mystified as to why the hell all the hatred. The population of Jews there was small, the communities were small, the people were mostly working class trades people. But for some reason both the Nazis and the Poles wanted them all dead and gone.
I'm sure you've seen this movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Sobibor
Those f'ing Russian scum mislead the prisoners with a sh_t escape plan, just using the prisoners as fodder to provide cover for themselves from the tower machine guns. Then they abandoned their group of 60 prisoners in the forest, misleading them again, when they knew the smallest group was better able to avoid detection, move faster, and leave less of a trace. The escapees had not only the Germans after them but also the Polish vigilantes, only too happen to hunt them down and turn them over to the Germans.
As far as I could find out, the movie was factually accurate in the most important details.

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[bitrex]

On 4/27/2020 12:25 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 4/27/2020 11:58 AM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 26, 2020 at 9:48:37 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 18:43:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

The virus has certainly taken on near-mythological properties that
are a
bit much for even this "leftist" to swallow.

Yep, along with an impressive number of scientific publications on the
topic:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=covid+19
163,000 hits in the last 100 days or so.

"subtle internal organ damage" happens all the time from many causes
and
is repaired. Even more serious impact on internal organs occurs from
e.g. starvation! Holocaust survivors eating starvation-rations for
months and years isn't good for the internal organs either but as
far as
it's been studied long-term mortality among survivors doesn't appear
particularly worse than the general population:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720067

Thanks.  That article will be handy.

I would agree that the long term effects of a starvation diet did not
produce Holocaust survivors that would drop dead randomly from "subtle
internal organ damage".  Both my parents and my step mother were
survivors of various camps in Poland.  My father died at age 86, my
mother at 53, and my step mother at 80.  Various relatives mostly made
it into their 80's, with a few exceptions dying much earlier.

When I lived in Smog Angeles, my parents (and I) were members of what
was then called "The 1939 Club".  It's now called "The 1939 Society".
https://www.the1939society.org
and was at the time composed mostly of Polish Holocaust survivors.
Through this organization, I met many other Holocaust survivors.  They
are now long dead, but as I recall, most were quite old (70's and
80's) when they died.  The few exceptions that died earlier, such as
my mother, had something in common.  All died from various
cardiovascular problems.  What happened was they mostly came from the
Krakow or Katowice area of southern Poland.  Prior to 1939, the lower
classes didn't travel much and tended to live in ghettos.  The result
was substantial inbreeding, which tended to bring out the worst in
hereditary maladies.  In my case and my extended family, it was heart
and circulatory problems.  Without those problems, I'm sure those that
died early would have lived as long as the others.

It was absolutely disgusting what happened to the Jews in Poland and I
am mystified as to why the hell all the hatred. The population of Jews
there was small, the communities were small, the people were mostly
working class trades people. But for some reason both the Nazis and
the Poles wanted them all dead and gone.
I'm sure you've seen this movie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_from_Sobibor
Those f'ing Russian scum mislead the prisoners with a sh_t escape
plan, just using the prisoners as fodder to provide cover for
themselves from the tower machine guns. Then they abandoned their
group of 60 prisoners in the forest, misleading them again, when they
knew the smallest group was better able to avoid detection, move
faster, and leave less of a trace. The escapees had not only the
Germans after them but also the Polish vigilantes, only too happen to
hunt them down and turn them over to the Germans.
As far as I could find out, the movie was factually accurate in the
most important details.

"The Narcissism of Small Differences"

The Jews in Europe were very much like Europeans. And yet they wee not
Europeans. This made them very ideal targets for persecution, even more
so than a small community of say black Africans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

Arguably I think also most Jews in Europe were middle-class. In times of
strife middle-class can be a bad position to be. The very poor hate you
because you're better off than they are and visibly so.

The very wealthy have enough wealth to hide their wealth and are happy
to mention to the very poor "Those are the scoundrels you want, look at
all their finery" as it keeps the poor off their backs.