copper crisis?...

[Phil Hobbs]

albert wrote:

In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.

and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:


and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic

I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.

The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.

I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:46:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

albert wrote:
In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.

and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:


and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic

I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.

The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.

I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

A wedding could cost 10 months pay. Ours cost $20, and another $25 for
the wedding feast afterwards.

 

[amdx]

On 7/25/2022 8:52 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:46:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

albert wrote:
In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.
and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:

and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic
I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.
The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.
I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
A wedding could cost 10 months pay. Ours cost $20, and another $25 for
the wedding feast afterwards.

 I told my daughter early on when she decides to get married, to just
elope and I\'d give her $20k for the down payment on a house.
She married a guy in the military, they bought a house with a zero down
mortgage. I funded both of their Roths, then he found a girlfriend
she divorced him and he will retire with my funds, but he\'s probably
stupid enough to spend it. She\'s married again, they paid for a
very nice wedding on the beach in front of a place they rented that
sleeps 37 people and every one stayed a day or two, best party I have
every been to.
 She has now graduated as a dentist, this how I like to think about.

https://tinyurl.com/3zcbntax   
                      Mikek

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 09:17:00 -0500, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

On 7/25/2022 8:52 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:46:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

albert wrote:
In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...
That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.
and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:

and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic
I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.
The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.
I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs
A wedding could cost 10 months pay. Ours cost $20, and another $25 for
the wedding feast afterwards.

It was sweet. A really nice lady in a black robe married us in the
beautiful rotunda of SF City Hall. That was the $20. Stars Cafe was
the feast.

 I told my daughter early on when she decides to get married, to just
elope and I\'d give her $20k for the down payment on a house.
She married a guy in the military, they bought a house with a zero down
mortgage. I funded both of their Roths, then he found a girlfriend
she divorced him and he will retire with my funds, but he\'s probably
stupid enough to spend it. She\'s married again, they paid for a
very nice wedding on the beach in front of a place they rented that
sleeps 37 people and every one stayed a day or two, best party I have
every been to.
 She has now graduated as a dentist, this how I like to think about.
https://tinyurl.com/3zcbntax   
                      Mikek

(401 on that link.)

I paid for two daughters\' pretty-big weddings, one in Austin and one
on a golf course near Lake Tahoe. The bride and groom came down the
isle in a golf cart and almost wiped out a couple of bridesmaids.
Austin, I mostly remember the mosquitoes.

So far, neither looks to need another guy.

Girls are cute but expensive.

 

[Gerhard Hoffmann]

Am 25.07.22 um 15:52 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:46:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

albert wrote:
In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.

and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:


and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic

I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.

The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.

I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

A wedding could cost 10 months pay. Ours cost $20, and another $25 for
the wedding feast afterwards.

My brother\'s divorce did cost in a similar range. Both he and
she were fully qualified lawyers, albeit working in completely
different fields. First, they moved the material stuff to a
different treaty, zeroing the financial value of the case. Then
my brother represented both himself and and his ex as a lawyer.
Net result was just the writing cost of the court.

Such a thing takes some discipline.

Gerhard

 

[Phil Hobbs]

jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:46:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

albert wrote:
In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.

and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:


and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic

I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.

The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.

I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

A wedding could cost 10 months pay. Ours cost $20, and another $25 for
the wedding feast afterwards.

Ours was fairly cheap too--$750 for the hall (Cecil Green Park at UBC),
$500 for the band, $150 for the officiant, and all catered by relatives.

Best wedding I was ever at, just about 39 years ago. According to Isaac
Asimov, he used to introduce people to \"Janet, my first wife.\" (Neither
married more than once.)

She always responded, \"Oh, Isaac.\"

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[Phil Hobbs]

Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Am 25.07.22 um 15:52 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:46:09 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

albert wrote:
In article <tb5lb6$74n$2@gioia.aioe.org>,
Martin Brown  <\'\'\'newspam\'\'\'@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
On 18/07/2022 17:32, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
mandag den 18. juli 2022 kl. 18.11.19 UTC+2 skrev Martin Brown:
On 16/07/2022 16:29, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
lørdag den 16. juli 2022 kl. 17.18.32 UTC+2 skrev Ralph Mowery:
In article <b3h5dhlvkucvi0cuh...@4ax.com>,
jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com says...

That sounds tricky. If there were tons of gold or diamonds on
asteroids or on the moon, would it be worth harvesting?

Of course, getting lots of diamonds would crash the price of
diamonds.



There are plenty of diamons. For a long time the DeBeers have
had a
strangle hold on them. Almost all diamonds worth anything had
to go
through them. They only let so many out to keep the price up.

and convinced people that \"used\" diamonds are not good enough,
you have to get a new one
They are running scared of the synthetic diamond producers now:


and tried their best to convinced everyone that the synthetic diamond
isn\'t quite as good as the real thing (I guess not enough blood on
them)

And that manufacturers of synthetic diamonds should lasermark them
so you can tell it is synthetic

I reckon you could tell them apart by mass spectrometry or
radioactivity. True old diamonds will be severely C14 depleted.

The artificially created diamonds are actually better.
The propaganda to use \"real\" diamonds faces a loosing battle.

I remember when De Beers et al. were pushing \"expert suggestions\" that
the right price for an engagement ring was _four_month\'s_pay_.

Hint: the right sort of girl to marry is the sort who\'d be charmed by
the idea, and then give you a dope slap for making her start out married
life in a financial hole that large.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

A wedding could cost 10 months pay. Ours cost $20, and another $25 for
the wedding feast afterwards.


My brother\'s divorce did cost in a similar range. Both he and
she were fully qualified lawyers, albeit working in completely
different fields. First, they moved the material stuff to a
different treaty, zeroing the financial value of the case. Then
my brother represented both himself and and his ex as a lawyer.
Net result was just the writing cost of the court.

Such a thing takes some discipline.

Gerhard

So does staying married.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

 

[amal banerjee]

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:39:57 PM UTC+5:30, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://gizmodo.com/a-copper-shortage-is-likely-coming-for-the-energy-trans-1849178385

Motor and transformer design are pretty advanced. I wonder if they
could be made with more electronics and less copper somehow.
Electrostatic motors miss by an enormous factor.

As Africa and Asia advance and electrify, copper might be a limiting
resource. Solar and wind power need a lot of copper for power
gathering too. The numbers there could be interesting, lots of long
runs at relatively low voltage and power, used at low duty cycle.

Maybe we the solid state guys should start looking ar graphene. Already
light weight but extremely strong sports equipment are being made with
this material. The base material for gtaphene is abundant(compared to
copper) and processing it much simpler.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Tuesday, July 26, 2022 at 9:41:15 PM UTC+10, daku...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, July 15, 2022 at 8:39:57 PM UTC+5:30, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://gizmodo.com/a-copper-shortage-is-likely-coming-for-the-energy-trans-1849178385

Motor and transformer design are pretty advanced. I wonder if they
could be made with more electronics and less copper somehow.
Electrostatic motors miss by an enormous factor.

As Africa and Asia advance and electrify, copper might be a limiting
resource. Solar and wind power need a lot of copper for power
gathering too. The numbers there could be interesting, lots of long
runs at relatively low voltage and power, used at low duty cycle.

Maybe we the solid state guys should start looking ar graphene. Already
light weight but extremely strong sports equipment are being made with
this material. The base material for gtaphene is abundant(compared to
copper) and processing it much simpler.

Carbon nanotubes are just rolled up graphene, though they tend also to be described as stretched out buckyballs. Loads of people have looked at them, but commercial quantities of properly insulated cable with connectors on either end still seem to be some way off.

Sticking metal atoms in the centre of the nanotube is another trick that does interesting stuff in the lab but hasn\'t yet lent itself to mass production either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[amdx]

On 7/15/2022 9:34 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

On Saturday, July 16, 2022 at 12:00:57 PM UTC+10, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2022-07-15, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 7/15/2022 11:09 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
https://gizmodo.com/a-copper-shortage-is-likely-coming-for-the-energy-trans-1849178385

Motor and transformer design are pretty advanced. I wonder if they
could be made with more electronics and less copper somehow.
Electrostatic motors miss by an enormous factor.

As Africa and Asia advance and electrify, copper might be a limiting
resource. Solar and wind power need a lot of copper for power
gathering too. The numbers there could be interesting, lots of long
runs at relatively low voltage and power, used at low duty cycle.

It\'s unfortunate that adding copper to aluminum (most abundant metal) or
aluminum to copper basically makes either one way worse than if you\'d
left it pure.

Like you\'d think by adding say 10% aluminum to copper you\'d get a wire
that was some small percentage less conductive than copper but still
retained most of copper\'s other nice properties, but IIRC it basically
ruins it and above some pretty low percentage aluminum you can\'t pull a
copper/aluminum alloy into a wire, anyway.
So don\'t mix, CCA works quite well for many tasks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper-clad_aluminium_wire

Room-temperature super-conductors have got to be the long term solution, but nobody has yet set up a long-distance power cable with even a high-temperature super-conductor.

The initial hype about fullerene nanotubes hasn\'t lead to any commercial products yet. Maybe it will eventually.

John Larkin will ignore it as marketing hype right up to the point where he can buy reels of the stuff from DigiKey.

Just as a point of interest, in Panama City Fl. we have a port. There
are many semi trucks coming out of the port with 5 stacks of copper plates
evenly dispersed on the trailer. They are 12\" to 18\" tall.

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