Convenience über alles!...

On 6/5/2022 12:29 PM, rbowman wrote:

I don\'t see it as \"roaming\" but, rather, \"not having ties\" (despite
having ties \"left behind\" in many of the places I\'ve lived). I used
to love the lushness of New England. Now, find it confining and prefer
the open spaces (and black skies).

I do get nostalgic for forests with other species than Ponderosa pine and
Douglas fir. This last time I was back to the area was 2004. It had been an
exceptionally wet summer to start with but the humidity was oppressive. I was
looking for information about a historical gas house in Troy NY when I clicked
on a Zillow link out of curiosity. Of course you\'d have to see the houses but
there was a good selection for under 100K. That confirmed by 2004 observation
that everybody had left and never came back.

I miss the variety of thought that was common back east. Many ethnicities,
cultures, etc. The West is more homogeneous. Too much group think -- or, lack
of desire to express alternative opinions. Or, maybe lack of \"drive\"? <shrug>

But, my early career was in Cambridge and, later, the 128 beltway so that\'s
probably several sigma above the mean.

Tell me about black skies... Sun has been optional for a while. \'We need the
water\' is partially true Lush undergrowth in June tends to lead to hellish
fires in August.

The saying here is \"Nothing grows... except the stuff that DOES and it
grows REALLY FAST!\" But, never fast enough to survive a good fire. So,
while you want the rain, you also fear its consequences.

I\'ve probably got 50 or 60 boxes of reference texts, still. But, have
switched
to epubs for my \"recreational\" reading as I can store thousands on an
ereader
that I can then store in a desk drawer! :

You\'ve got me outclassed completely. I seldom buy a hardcopy book anymore. I\'ve
used about 2GB of 4GB on my main Kindle and I have no idea how many books that
represents other than \'a lot\'.

I\'ve several Nooks, each with a 32G microSD (cuz things won\'t fit on a single
nook). But, it\'s a lousy interface designed for folks who have small libraries
and want to see a dozen titles at a time. OTOH, I much prefer reading
(for entertainment) via this form instead of \"paper\". It\'s nice to just
be able to set it down and resume from where you left off, even in a darkened
room, car, etc!

I\'ve not purchased a \"print\" book in years -- save for a few classic references
(_Mechanisms for Reliable Distributed Real-Time Operating Systems_, _Applied
Cryptography_, etc.) or oddball references for specific projects (_Optimal
Strategy for Pai Gow Poker_, _From Text to Speech: The MITtalk System_, etc.).
While I can find ebook versions of them, I prefer a \"real\" book when I need
to *study* something. Likewise, I will print PDFs of research papers to read
and annotate, storing just the electronic version for the long haul (discarding
the print copy once \"consumed\").

I\'ve even stopped buying hardcopy references. In the software field, except for
the basics, they\'re obsolete before the ink is dry.

Last hardcopy reference/standard I bought was a SCSI document (decades ago).
Too much is available on-line to clutter up shelves with this stuff.

And, much easier to search an electronic document than a print one.

I\'m interested in assistive technology so have quite a collection of
such appliances/tools -- including a pair of electric wheelchairs,
braillers, etc.
https://www.easechair.com/sites/default/files/gallery/permobil-m300_46.jpg

[You *really* don\'t want to ever NEED such a device! Aside from the
initial novelty of \"personal-scale motorized transport\", it is a dreadful
way to exist!]

A friend is quadriplegic and while it\'s in no way optimal it\'s better than the
alternative. He has enough mobility that he can drive a converted van with the
chair latched into place and type using pencils in custom splits. Still it
sucks.

It\'s not much better even for folks who are \"merely\" disabled. I take one of
the chairs out for a quick run around the neighborhood, from time to time, to
give the batteries some \"exercise\". Despite the suspension and ROHO seat
cushion, I always feel like I\'ve been brutalized by the process. Maybe
driving indoors is less demanding?

I\'ve often made little repairs to the van\'s ramp or latching mechanism.
He knows what needs to be done but can\'t. Of course there is the frustration of
depending on PA\'s for transfers, shopping, meal preparation, and so forth.

And, the inherent reliance on the chair itself. If it doesn\'t want to run,
NOW, what choice do you have? A second chair?? What if you\'ve motored to
a spot a mile from home when the chair shits the bed? (and, why can\'t the
chair tell you how many \"miles\" are left in the \"tank\"? Every coulomb in
and out of the battery was observable by the chair\'s controller, why wasn\'t
it keeping track??)

And, the chairs aren\'t designed to make maintenance easy for ABLE-BODIED folks,
let alone folks with particular mobility constraints. E.g., to replace the
batteries on mine, you have to run the elevator *up* to get the seat off of
the top of the battery compartment. Then, remove the shroud. Then, each of
the 50 pound batteries.

If the batteries are *dead*, then the elevator won\'t function! So, you have to
remove the seat cushion and seating plate. Then, thread a long rod through
a hole in the seat frame to manually engage the elevator mechanism, crank the
seat up and continue from that point.

Clearly designed by someone who expected NEVER to have to service his own
chair! Which is why they quote $1100 for a battery change. <rolls eyes>

[But, then again, it\'s likely INSURANCE money paying the bill... so, the
market is distorted]

The irony is he would be economically better off vegetating than choosing to
remain productive.

In my case, its consideration for my other half; she lives in fear that
I\'ll drop dead, some day, leaving her with all this \"stuff\" to sort out.

\"Throw it all away; I\'ll be dead, what will *I* care?\"
\"Then why can\'t we throw it out NOW?!\"
\"I\'m not dead, yet!\" <grin

One thing that saves me is limited square feet. If I had unlimited area I would
be screwed.

You\'d be amazed at how many places you can find to stash things! :>
I\'ve stuff under the beds, on top of bookcases, under workbenches/desks,
etc. As I only wear T-shirts (save for the odd wedding/funeral), my
closets aren\'t wasted on storing clothing. :> If we had a basement,
I\'d be sunk!

The temperature extremes in the garage limit what I\'d be willing to
store out there so anything of value (and \"perishable\") has to find
a spot in the house in which to hide.

At one point I contemplated buying an old filling station, the sort
with a couple of bays and a life.

Ha! I\'d always thought of an old \"elementary school\" -- the kind
that has long halls and all the rooms on one level. You could set up
each classroom for a particular use instead of having to set-up, use,
tear-down *between* uses.

I\'m a minimalist so converting the office and
storage to living space wouldn\'t be a problem and I\'d have plenty of work
space. The fly in that ointment is they have EPA time bombs with the
underground storage tanks that gets passed to the current owner.

Yup. A friend \"solved\" that problem on his commercial property
by building over the areas that were once exposed soil. Amusing
to think of how cavalier we used to be with disposing of used motor
oil, industrial solvents, etc.

Bummer. I\'m told hips are a real pisser.

My grandmother broke her hip in the \'50s. Back then they might as well have
taken her out back and shot her. Now they nail you back together.

https://www.stryker.com/us/en/trauma-and-extremities/products/gamma3.html

There are two small incisions, each about 1\" long. I asked the surgeon how he
pulled that off and he started talking about jigs and reamers. The whole deal
looks and sounds like something I might do to fix a break on one of the bikes.

Yeah, a friend had a hip done recently. The positions in which they put his
limbs didn\'t seem physically possible. But, I guess with the hip joint out
of the equation (temporarily), a lot is possible!

I had to accept that I realistically couldn\'t return home without being a
burden on friends so I went into a rehab facility. Fortunately I could get
around with a walker. The surgeon restricted me to 25% weight bearing, which
the PTs reminded me of whenever I started getting around too well. When he
moved me to full weight bearing as tolerated I switched to a cane and was out
in a week. Not long after I discarded the cane although I do bring my trekking
poles when I\'m out on trails just in case.

I limit my walking to indoor areas and neighborhood sidewalks/streets.
I\'m not keen on turning an ankle by stepping on a stone that dislodges
beneath me. Or, tripping over a log. Or, encountering a bobcat, bear,
javelina, etc.

And, in my case, it\'s just exercise -- there\'s nothing \"enjoyable\"
about it (save for any neighbors I encounter along the way) -- so get
it done as quickly as possible!

The rehab was a wing of a nursing home so I got to see that side of life. I
watched \'Wild Horses\' with Robert Duvall last night and there was a trailed for
another one of his movies on the DVD, \'A Night in Old Mexico\'. One of his
lines was \"I\'m more afraid of winding up with somebody spoon feeding me oatmeal
than dying\". Yeah and hell yeah.

Sadly, there\'s little one can do to avoid that -- save dying young!

I am always amused by folks who go to such great lengths to (have the
illusion of) exert control over their environment -- and, by extension,
the hazards they might face -- when there are so many other things
that can screw you over that you can\'t control, nor predict (e.g.,
all the money in the world isn\'t going to prevent a stroke, heart
attack, drunk driver, etc.)

So, I take the attitude of making the most of the time that I *think*
I (likely) have. Spending it making money (\"for a sense of security\")
is pretty far down the list! :>

I was laid up for several months -- couldn\'t even use a laptop as
that would require sitting up. I dug out a tablet and did my
work with that. Tedious (stylus without keyboard) but at least gave
me an \"outlet\"!

Fortunately I could get up and sit in a chair, using the overbed table for a
desk. I had a Dell laptop and the rehab had a solid WiFi connection so I was
good to go.

In my case, getting out of bed was a chore. So, reserved for the essentials
(bathroom breaks). The rest of the time, get into a tolerable position
and position the tablet someplace where I can access it.

PHBs are often the biggest impediment to such work. I guess they must
feel that if they can\'t *see* the folks \"under\" them, then what purpose
do THEY fill?

Even before covid we had some people working remotely. That would come up in
the conversation frequently -- what exactly is xxxx doing. When most people
went remote for covid they had to submit daily reports of what they were
working on. When they were physically on site it was always assumed as long as
everything was going smoothly people were doing what they were supposed to be
doing.

If you don\'t trust your employees, then why did you hire them?

When I\'ve been in managerial positions, my attitude (to my charges)
was always: \"Let me know what you need and I\'ll deal with the
organization/personalities to get it for you\". What was unsaid was
\"and I expect you to meet your responsibilities\". The idea of
having to play nanny with \"professionals\" is anathema to me!

But, personal discipline also plays a big role. I\'ve known folks who
couldn\'t cut it \"solo\" because they couldn\'t focus on the problems
they\'d contracted to solve -- always finding distractions, instead.

That can be a problem. One person I hired was going to move and be on site but
because of covid remained in Boise. Things were getting done and we cut him
loose. That happens when people are physically in the office too. The rule of
thumb is you\'re lucky to get 6 hours of productive work in an 8 hour day.

My B-in-L works for a firm that actively cuts staff until things \"stop
working\". Then, they incrementally add staff back until things are working,
again. Seems a bit Draconian but I guess it works -- in the long run.

A colleague used to say \"you can\'t do anything in 8 hours\". Which, is somewhat
true. But, the extension (2*8, 3*8, etc.) isn\'t.

Working on my own is incredibly more effective as you get rid of all
the silly meetings, distractions, etc. And, only have to work when
you feel productive (instead of some silly schedule imposed by bankers)

[Doing fixed cost jobs means I can cut the client out of the decision
making loop. If *I* want to take a risk and explore some new approach,
the risk falls entirely on me, without his potential to veto!]

That works better with hardware projects with a stated, quantifiable goal.
There have been a lot of fancy project management schemes over the years but
with software the real process is:

1. Client tells you what they want
2. You prepare a proposal and submit it
3. Client signs off without reading it
4. You proceed to implement the agreed on design
5. You deliver the product
6. Client realizes that wasn\'t what they really wanted
7. rinse and repeat

That\'s only because folks LET that happen. If you don\'t know what the hell
you want, then why even get started on it?

Before I take on a project, I learn as much as I can about the application
domain and application, itself. Then, interview the principles to identify
their ideas as to what the goal is imagined to be.

When it comes time to codify a spec, I ask very specific questions:
\"What do you want to happen in THIS situation?\" If they respond,
\"I don\'t care\", then I state \"In situation X, the device can burst into
flames\" -- or something equally alarming. That usually is enough to
draw their attention to the fact that they really *do* care; otherwise,
I will implement any \"don\'t care\" scenarios in whatever manner is
easiest for me -- in my fixed cost estimate! (if YOU don\'t want to
think about it, then why should *I*?)

People *can* make up their minds when they have to. They just don\'t want
to think ahead. They\'d rather tell you (later) what they DON\'T want,
after you\'ve done it!

[For fixed cost contracts, \"after\" is their problem, not mine! :>
And, if I\'ve done things in the design that make your subsequent
choices difficult to implement, then who\'s fault is that?!]

I\'ve watched 6- and 7- figure projects \"finished\" and then *canceled*...
without even trying to make a sale. Because it took a reification
of an idea for folks to discover why it wasn\'t practical?? C\'mon,
what sort of imagination are you lacking?? You can imagine a product
LIKE this... you just can\'t (fully) imagine THIS product! <frown>

[To be fair, I get involved in a lot of proof of concept prototypes
so I often know more about the actual application than the client.
Because I\'ve thought about it beyond the \"gee, wouldn\'t it be nice if...\"
stage]

Agile gets a lot of hype and often becomes a mantra for management rather than
being practiced but it does recognize the design process as being highly
iterative.

I don\'t believe in Agile, in practice. I don\'t believe folks are willing to
discard as much as they SHOULD (to be \"safe\") on each iteration. There\'s too
much incentive to rationalize that some \"finished\" piece can be reused, as is.
Or, \"patched\" instead of reengineered.

I always think of a friend\'s custom home. He opted to move an exit to
the deck. Builder complied. When house was built, the emergency escape
from the basement window was located BELOW the decking -- due to the
relocated doorway. Ooops! Do you cut a new escape in the cement foundation?
Do you put a \"hatch\" in the decking above the basement window? Who\'s
responsibility was it to notice this problem and make the necessary
adjustments to the design to avoid the problem manifesting later?

In the classic waterfall process the requirements and design phases tend to be
so protracted and bloody that the delivery phase happens regardless (q.v.
F-35, Zumwalt, ...)

That\'s a matter of scale. Imagine iteratively designing a fighter jet\'s
controls... and, later discovering that some assumption made on iteration N
was no longer valid for iteration N+m -- but, no one noticed! Until the
aircraft fell out of the sky.

[Do we have to go all the way to mars before we realize there\'s a priority
inversion problem in a design?]

Look at the *manual* for a product as it is a reflection of the product\'s
complexity. A great many \"products\" are very easy to express in that
form, thus a reflection of their limited complexity.

Admittedly prototyping battleships isn\'t as feasible as prototyping software
systems.

Good luck with your negotiations. And, more importantly, finding
a way to then make any such arrangement work for *you*!

Thanks. I\'ve reached that point in life where stuff has to work for me. It\'s
not being a curmudgeon, just realizing compromises for long term goals are a
moot point when there ain\'t no long term statistically.

Exactly. It\'s an interesting place to be (in life); you have the skills
and resources ($) to do many things -- but not (necessarily) the *time*
required to do so. It makes you think hard about where you want to spend
your time -- and how willing you are to let someone else (PHB) dictate
that to you!
 
On 06/05/2022 05:54 PM, Don Y wrote:

I miss the variety of thought that was common back east. Many ethnicities,
cultures, etc. The West is more homogeneous. Too much group think --
or, lack
of desire to express alternative opinions. Or, maybe lack of \"drive\"?
shrug

But, my early career was in Cambridge and, later, the 128 beltway so that\'s
probably several sigma above the mean.

A little bit but I grew up near Troy NY and it had its share of
diversity. Somehow it seemed to work better than it has lately. People
had ethnic pride but there was more sense of humor involved.

It\'s changed a little over the last 30 years I\'ve lived here but Montana
is pretty homogeneous and that\'s even within the European sector. It\'s
mostly north European with Germans leading the pack. It\'s a local joke
that the Sons of Norway is mostly Germans. The other 6.5% is the NA\'s
but they don\'t have much cultural impact. There is a Hmong community for
historical reasons involving General Vang and the CIA.

A friend and I were talking about that last week with regards to
restaurants. People like ethnic restaurants -- as long as they aren\'t
too ethnic. Some recent middle Eastern arrivals have been running food
trucks. I hope they make a go of it since I like manakish and those
pastries that are like baklava but not as messy. My favorite Indian
restaurant didn\'t last too long since it was too Indian but the dumbed
down version run by an Anglo is going strong.



I\'ve several Nooks, each with a 32G microSD (cuz things won\'t fit on a
single
nook). But, it\'s a lousy interface designed for folks who have small
libraries
and want to see a dozen titles at a time. OTOH, I much prefer reading
(for entertainment) via this form instead of \"paper\". It\'s nice to just
be able to set it down and resume from where you left off, even in a
darkened
room, car, etc!

I\'ve got a Nook mostly because there is a brick & mortar B&N around the
corner from where I work. In the early days of Amazon their ability to
produce the books they advertised was sketchy and I preferred B&N but
convenience won me over. I can download a book to my Kindle and order a
case of cat food all at once. To get back on topic, convenience uber alles.

Cryptography_, etc.) or oddball references for specific projects (_Optimal
Strategy for Pai Gow Poker_, _From Text to Speech: The MITtalk System_,
etc.).

Pai Gow Poker?? I\'m not a card player but when I first got into Windows
I did a poker app to familiarize myself with the Windows API. Up until
then I\'d done embedded or command line based programming and the whole
\'make it look pretty\' was new to me. In the process I learned more about
poker than I really needed to know.

> And, much easier to search an electronic document than a print one.

I remember reading about hypertext back when it didn\'t really exist and
thinking what a great idea it was particular with hardcopy books with
appendices designed by illiterate monkeys.



It\'s not much better even for folks who are \"merely\" disabled. I take
one of
the chairs out for a quick run around the neighborhood, from time to
time, to
give the batteries some \"exercise\". Despite the suspension and ROHO seat
cushion, I always feel like I\'ve been brutalized by the process. Maybe
driving indoors is less demanding?

I suppose that\'s an advantage of not having feeling from the neck down.
He\'s never complained about the ride.

And, the inherent reliance on the chair itself. If it doesn\'t want to run,
NOW, what choice do you have? A second chair?? What if you\'ve motored to
a spot a mile from home when the chair shits the bed? (and, why can\'t the
chair tell you how many \"miles\" are left in the \"tank\"? Every coulomb in
and out of the battery was observable by the chair\'s controller, why wasn\'t
it keeping track??)

There is that. When he upgrades he does keep his old chair for backup.
Being a niche product some of the components aren\'t available off the
shelf. There have been a couple of times when the drive failed. Even
after releasing the drive pushing one any distance is a workout.
And, the chairs aren\'t designed to make maintenance easy for ABLE-BODIED
folks,
let alone folks with particular mobility constraints. E.g., to replace the
batteries on mine, you have to run the elevator *up* to get the seat off of
the top of the battery compartment. Then, remove the shroud. Then,
each of
the 50 pound batteries.

If the batteries are *dead*, then the elevator won\'t function! So, you
have to
remove the seat cushion and seating plate. Then, thread a long rod through
a hole in the seat frame to manually engage the elevator mechanism,
crank the
seat up and continue from that point.

Several times the mechanic showed up to service the chair at work. The
batteries were never dead but working around defective limit switches
and so forth made most fixes a several hour project.
Clearly designed by someone who expected NEVER to have to service his own
chair! Which is why they quote $1100 for a battery change. <rolls eyes

[But, then again, it\'s likely INSURANCE money paying the bill... so, the
market is distorted.

Definitely. I think his last new chair was north of $25,000 and motor
controllers, actuators and so forth are priced to match. I\'m not 100%
certain but I think it\'s a Permobil so many of the parts are from
Sweden. Of course nothing is a standard part that you could order from
Grainger.


You\'d be amazed at how many places you can find to stash things! :
I\'ve stuff under the beds, on top of bookcases, under workbenches/desks,
etc. As I only wear T-shirts (save for the odd wedding/funeral), my
closets aren\'t wasted on storing clothing. :> If we had a basement,
I\'d be sunk!

Not amazed at all. I built my bed so the whole \'mattress\' component is
hinged and swings up to provide easy access to the storage compartments.

Ha! I\'d always thought of an old \"elementary school\" -- the kind
that has long halls and all the rooms on one level. You could set up
each classroom for a particular use instead of having to set-up, use,
tear-down *between* uses.

That is the biggest annoyance. Currently half of my \'desk\' (a hollow
core door) is taken over by a a pile of Arduinos, wireless modules,
motor controllers and so forth from a robotics project with unrelated
bits and pieces mixed in.

Yup. A friend \"solved\" that problem on his commercial property
by building over the areas that were once exposed soil. Amusing
to think of how cavalier we used to be with disposing of used motor
oil, industrial solvents, etc.

In the city there a stenciled markers around the storm drains reminding
people the aquifer is about 25\' down. Several of the lumber operations
and the pulp mill left behind their legacies. The pulp mill is
particularly problematic since the settling ponds are next to the river.

I\'m as guilty as anyone. Old motor oil is great for keeping the dust
down in a gravel driveway.









Bummer. I\'m told hips are a real pisser.

My grandmother broke her hip in the \'50s. Back then they might as well
have taken her out back and shot her. Now they nail you back together.

https://www.stryker.com/us/en/trauma-and-extremities/products/gamma3.html

There are two small incisions, each about 1\" long. I asked the surgeon
how he pulled that off and he started talking about jigs and reamers.
The whole deal looks and sounds like something I might do to fix a
break on one of the bikes.

Yeah, a friend had a hip done recently. The positions in which they put
his
limbs didn\'t seem physically possible. But, I guess with the hip joint out
of the equation (temporarily), a lot is possible!

I had to accept that I realistically couldn\'t return home without
being a burden on friends so I went into a rehab facility. Fortunately
I could get around with a walker. The surgeon restricted me to 25%
weight bearing, which the PTs reminded me of whenever I started
getting around too well. When he moved me to full weight bearing as
tolerated I switched to a cane and was out in a week. Not long after I
discarded the cane although I do bring my trekking poles when I\'m out
on trails just in case.

I limit my walking to indoor areas and neighborhood sidewalks/streets.
I\'m not keen on turning an ankle by stepping on a stone that dislodges
beneath me. Or, tripping over a log. Or, encountering a bobcat, bear,
javelina, etc.

And, in my case, it\'s just exercise -- there\'s nothing \"enjoyable\"
about it (save for any neighbors I encounter along the way) -- so get
it done as quickly as possible!

The rehab was a wing of a nursing home so I got to see that side of
life. I watched \'Wild Horses\' with Robert Duvall last night and there
was a trailed for another one of his movies on the DVD, \'A Night in
Old Mexico\'. One of his lines was \"I\'m more afraid of winding up with
somebody spoon feeding me oatmeal than dying\". Yeah and hell yeah.

Sadly, there\'s little one can do to avoid that -- save dying young!

I am always amused by folks who go to such great lengths to (have the
illusion of) exert control over their environment -- and, by extension,
the hazards they might face -- when there are so many other things
that can screw you over that you can\'t control, nor predict (e.g.,
all the money in the world isn\'t going to prevent a stroke, heart
attack, drunk driver, etc.)

So, I take the attitude of making the most of the time that I *think*
I (likely) have. Spending it making money (\"for a sense of security\")
is pretty far down the list! :

I was laid up for several months -- couldn\'t even use a laptop as
that would require sitting up. I dug out a tablet and did my
work with that. Tedious (stylus without keyboard) but at least gave
me an \"outlet\"!

Fortunately I could get up and sit in a chair, using the overbed table
for a desk. I had a Dell laptop and the rehab had a solid WiFi
connection so I was good to go.

In my case, getting out of bed was a chore. So, reserved for the
essentials
(bathroom breaks). The rest of the time, get into a tolerable position
and position the tablet someplace where I can access it.

PHBs are often the biggest impediment to such work. I guess they must
feel that if they can\'t *see* the folks \"under\" them, then what purpose
do THEY fill?

Even before covid we had some people working remotely. That would come
up in the conversation frequently -- what exactly is xxxx doing. When
most people went remote for covid they had to submit daily reports of
what they were working on. When they were physically on site it was
always assumed as long as everything was going smoothly people were
doing what they were supposed to be doing.

If you don\'t trust your employees, then why did you hire them?

When I\'ve been in managerial positions, my attitude (to my charges)
was always: \"Let me know what you need and I\'ll deal with the
organization/personalities to get it for you\". What was unsaid was
\"and I expect you to meet your responsibilities\". The idea of
having to play nanny with \"professionals\" is anathema to me!

But, personal discipline also plays a big role. I\'ve known folks who
couldn\'t cut it \"solo\" because they couldn\'t focus on the problems
they\'d contracted to solve -- always finding distractions, instead.

That can be a problem. One person I hired was going to move and be on
site but because of covid remained in Boise. Things were getting done
and we cut him loose. That happens when people are physically in the
office too. The rule of thumb is you\'re lucky to get 6 hours of
productive work in an 8 hour day.

My B-in-L works for a firm that actively cuts staff until things \"stop
working\". Then, they incrementally add staff back until things are
working,
again. Seems a bit Draconian but I guess it works -- in the long run.

A colleague used to say \"you can\'t do anything in 8 hours\". Which, is
somewhat
true. But, the extension (2*8, 3*8, etc.) isn\'t.

Working on my own is incredibly more effective as you get rid of all
the silly meetings, distractions, etc. And, only have to work when
you feel productive (instead of some silly schedule imposed by bankers)

[Doing fixed cost jobs means I can cut the client out of the decision
making loop. If *I* want to take a risk and explore some new approach,
the risk falls entirely on me, without his potential to veto!]

That works better with hardware projects with a stated, quantifiable
goal. There have been a lot of fancy project management schemes over
the years but with software the real process is:

1. Client tells you what they want
2. You prepare a proposal and submit it
3. Client signs off without reading it
4. You proceed to implement the agreed on design
5. You deliver the product
6. Client realizes that wasn\'t what they really wanted
7. rinse and repeat

That\'s only because folks LET that happen. If you don\'t know what the hell
you want, then why even get started on it?

Before I take on a project, I learn as much as I can about the application
domain and application, itself. Then, interview the principles to identify
their ideas as to what the goal is imagined to be.

When it comes time to codify a spec, I ask very specific questions:
\"What do you want to happen in THIS situation?\" If they respond,
\"I don\'t care\", then I state \"In situation X, the device can burst into
flames\" -- or something equally alarming. That usually is enough to
draw their attention to the fact that they really *do* care; otherwise,
I will implement any \"don\'t care\" scenarios in whatever manner is
easiest for me -- in my fixed cost estimate! (if YOU don\'t want to
think about it, then why should *I*?)

People *can* make up their minds when they have to. They just don\'t want
to think ahead. They\'d rather tell you (later) what they DON\'T want,
after you\'ve done it!

[For fixed cost contracts, \"after\" is their problem, not mine! :
And, if I\'ve done things in the design that make your subsequent
choices difficult to implement, then who\'s fault is that?!]

I\'ve watched 6- and 7- figure projects \"finished\" and then *canceled*...
without even trying to make a sale. Because it took a reification
of an idea for folks to discover why it wasn\'t practical?? C\'mon,
what sort of imagination are you lacking?? You can imagine a product
LIKE this... you just can\'t (fully) imagine THIS product! <frown

[To be fair, I get involved in a lot of proof of concept prototypes
so I often know more about the actual application than the client.
Because I\'ve thought about it beyond the \"gee, wouldn\'t it be nice if...\"
stage]

Agile gets a lot of hype and often becomes a mantra for management
rather than being practiced but it does recognize the design process
as being highly iterative.

I don\'t believe in Agile, in practice. I don\'t believe folks are
willing to
discard as much as they SHOULD (to be \"safe\") on each iteration.
There\'s too
much incentive to rationalize that some \"finished\" piece can be reused,
as is.
Or, \"patched\" instead of reengineered.

I always think of a friend\'s custom home. He opted to move an exit to
the deck. Builder complied. When house was built, the emergency escape
from the basement window was located BELOW the decking -- due to the
relocated doorway. Ooops! Do you cut a new escape in the cement
foundation?
Do you put a \"hatch\" in the decking above the basement window? Who\'s
responsibility was it to notice this problem and make the necessary
adjustments to the design to avoid the problem manifesting later?

In the classic waterfall process the requirements and design phases
tend to be so protracted and bloody that the delivery phase happens
regardless (q.v. F-35, Zumwalt, ...)

That\'s a matter of scale. Imagine iteratively designing a fighter jet\'s
controls... and, later discovering that some assumption made on iteration N
was no longer valid for iteration N+m -- but, no one noticed! Until the
aircraft fell out of the sky.

[Do we have to go all the way to mars before we realize there\'s a priority
inversion problem in a design?]

Look at the *manual* for a product as it is a reflection of the product\'s
complexity. A great many \"products\" are very easy to express in that
form, thus a reflection of their limited complexity.

Admittedly prototyping battleships isn\'t as feasible as prototyping
software systems.

Good luck with your negotiations. And, more importantly, finding
a way to then make any such arrangement work for *you*!

Thanks. I\'ve reached that point in life where stuff has to work for
me. It\'s not being a curmudgeon, just realizing compromises for long
term goals are a moot point when there ain\'t no long term statistically.

Exactly. It\'s an interesting place to be (in life); you have the skills
and resources ($) to do many things -- but not (necessarily) the *time*
required to do so. It makes you think hard about where you want to spend
your time -- and how willing you are to let someone else (PHB) dictate
that to you!
 
On 6/5/2022 8:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 06/05/2022 05:54 PM, Don Y wrote:

I miss the variety of thought that was common back east. Many ethnicities,
cultures, etc. The West is more homogeneous. Too much group think --
or, lack
of desire to express alternative opinions. Or, maybe lack of \"drive\"?
shrug

But, my early career was in Cambridge and, later, the 128 beltway so that\'s
probably several sigma above the mean.

A little bit but I grew up near Troy NY and it had its share of diversity.
Somehow it seemed to work better than it has lately. People had ethnic pride
but there was more sense of humor involved.

Yup. Most jokes were ethnic, in nature. And, universally entertaining
(even if your ethnicity was the brunt of the joke -- as you could identify
with the stereotype being highlighted!)

It\'s changed a little over the last 30 years I\'ve lived here but Montana is
pretty homogeneous and that\'s even within the European sector. It\'s mostly
north European with Germans leading the pack. It\'s a local joke that the Sons
of Norway is mostly Germans. The other 6.5% is the NA\'s but they don\'t have
much cultural impact. There is a Hmong community for historical reasons
involving General Vang and the CIA.

East, there were small, highly localized clusters of individual ethnic
backgrounds. This street would be irish, two blocks over, italian.
And, local \"festivals\" applicable to each region. (Plus the various
_____ Political Clubs)

A friend and I were talking about that last week with regards to restaurants.
People like ethnic restaurants -- as long as they aren\'t too ethnic. Some

Unless they are of the same ethnicity as your upbringing. In which case,
they are invariably a disappointment in their \"blandness\" (americanization)

It\'s hard to introduce others to more authentic meals as the flavors
are usually too \"foreign\" for their palates. E.g., I\'ll prepare
butterflied /kielbasa/ cooked over a grill and served on a Kaiser roll
and find it better received than *boiled*. And, won\'t even bother
with /golobki/. Likewise, won\'t waste my time preparing /Scacciata
Siciliana/ or /cavatelli/ made from chestnut flour as the effort would
be lost on most palates.

Stick to hot dogs and pizza! <frown>

recent middle Eastern arrivals have been running food trucks. I hope they make
a go of it since I like manakish and those pastries that are like baklava but
not as messy. My favorite Indian restaurant didn\'t last too long since it was
too Indian but the dumbed down version run by an Anglo is going strong.

Am Israeli friend turned us onto a local Palestinian restaurant. But,
it\'s fairly obvious that it will be shuttered, soon.

OTOH, the hundreds of \"taco places\" seem to fare well -- despite the
number of MX households (that you would assume can prepare more authentic
varieties)

I\'ve several Nooks, each with a 32G microSD (cuz things won\'t fit on a
single
nook). But, it\'s a lousy interface designed for folks who have small
libraries
and want to see a dozen titles at a time. OTOH, I much prefer reading
(for entertainment) via this form instead of \"paper\". It\'s nice to just
be able to set it down and resume from where you left off, even in a
darkened
room, car, etc!

I\'ve got a Nook mostly because there is a brick & mortar B&N around the corner
from where I work. In the early days of Amazon their ability to produce the
books they advertised was sketchy and I preferred B&N but convenience won me
over. I can download a book to my Kindle and order a case of cat food all at
once. To get back on topic, convenience uber alles.

I like the \"heft\" of a nook. I use the \"Nook Color\" model and have turned my
other half on to a Nook HD (larger screen). She was resistant, at first, but
I now see her using it nightly.

Cryptography_, etc.) or oddball references for specific projects (_Optimal
Strategy for Pai Gow Poker_, _From Text to Speech: The MITtalk System_,
etc.).

Pai Gow Poker?? I\'m not a card player but when I first got into Windows I did a
poker app to familiarize myself with the Windows API. Up until then I\'d done
embedded or command line based programming and the whole \'make it look pretty\'
was new to me. In the process I learned more about poker than I really needed
to know.

Pai Gow is a game played with tiles/dominoes.

Pai Gow *Poker* is an adaption to use a deck of cards. It is fairly
complex in that you try to make *two* poker hands from a 7-card deal
(a 5 card and a 2 card) such that *both* cards beat the banker\'s
corresponding hands.

[There are a bunch of other rules that apply but the basics are thus]

When you are trying to reduce this to an algorithm that a machine
can employ (as banker) against *players*, it is critical that the
banker (machine) have an optimal strategy -- because the company
owning the machine wouldn\'t be happy if it didn\'t retain its edge
against the player, over the long run!

Note that, unlike poker where you have a *single* hand that
plays against others, here you have a choice of how you will
arrange your cards into TWO hands -- given that you need to
beat *both* hands of the banker!

E.g., if dealt AAAA---, you could arrange that as a 5 card
hand consisting of 4 aces (which will beat the banker\'s
5 card hand), but now you\'ve got three other cards, from which
you have to select a two card hand -- likely \"<something> high\"
assuming there isn\'t a second pair among the seven.

OTOH, you could present it as a 5 card \"three of a kind, aces\"
hand and an \"ace high\" two card hand. Or, a 5 card \"pair aces\"
and a 2 card \"pair aces\". etc. Take your pick -- BEFORE you
see the banker\'s hands! And, unlike poker, you make your wager
BEFORE the cards are dealt!

Unlike *pure* games of \"chance\" (where you can set the house percentage
explicitly), there\'s more reliance on skill (or lack thereof). And,
constraints on the types of wagers that you can support (again,
changing the expected value of the game)

But, as you\'ve said, at the end of the day, you end up knowing a lot
more about the game than you really want to remember! :<

And, much easier to search an electronic document than a print one.

I remember reading about hypertext back when it didn\'t really exist and
thinking what a great idea it was particular with hardcopy books with
appendices designed by illiterate monkeys.

Or, in the case of the nooks, implicit links that provide access to
every word\'s definition, on the fly.

It\'s not much better even for folks who are \"merely\" disabled. I take
one of
the chairs out for a quick run around the neighborhood, from time to
time, to
give the batteries some \"exercise\". Despite the suspension and ROHO seat
cushion, I always feel like I\'ve been brutalized by the process. Maybe
driving indoors is less demanding?

I suppose that\'s an advantage of not having feeling from the neck down. He\'s
never complained about the ride.

I won\'t say \"he\'s lucky\"... :-/

But, it is amazing just how rough roads and sidewalks are when each bump
is transfered to your spine!

And, the inherent reliance on the chair itself. If it doesn\'t want to run,
NOW, what choice do you have? A second chair?? What if you\'ve motored to
a spot a mile from home when the chair shits the bed? (and, why can\'t the
chair tell you how many \"miles\" are left in the \"tank\"? Every coulomb in
and out of the battery was observable by the chair\'s controller, why wasn\'t
it keeping track??)

There is that. When he upgrades he does keep his old chair for backup.

Chairs aren\'t small. And, you can\'t really store it \"out of the way\"
if you expect to be able to use it at a moment\'s notice.

Being a
niche product some of the components aren\'t available off the shelf. There have
been a couple of times when the drive failed. Even after releasing the drive
pushing one any distance is a workout.

Yup. I refurbished a three-wheel scooter for a woman some years ago.
She was delighted to be ambulatory to attend one of the larger \"book fairs\"
that are hosted, here.

Apparently, the batteries quit on her at some point and she had to rely
on her friends to push her along. Sadly, she filed to disengage the
motor before doing so (and wondered why her friends were having so much
trouble!)

[Over time, I\'ve salvaged various add-ons to enhance my chair: handles
that allow an attendant to more easily push it (like a more conventional
wheelchair); headlights and turn signals (!); color LCD joystick controller;
USB charger; Bluetooth interface; etc.]

I can *barely* lift the CHAIR portion of mine, *if* it has been unbolted
from the mechanism. And, the mechanized base is way too heavy to lift
(100 pounds of batteries). It takes two people to reassemble the chair
after transport (unless you can heft it onto a vehicle *intact*)

We\'ve discovered that you can\'t *give* these things away (!). I found
this puzzling as mine had only 18 miles on it when I took possession
and was in pristine shape! From the current price list, my set of
options \"list\" at a bit over $40K.

I\'ve since realized that folks want (need!) the (customer) *support* that
goes with the chair; we\'re not going to give them that. And, I imagine a
lot of that is factored into the price of the chair and options -- as a
\"sale\" often involves a lot of the vendor\'s time/labor (getting user
measurements, configuring options, submitting claim to insurer, etc.).
It\'s not like buying a process control system or a TV.

And, if the batteries are dead, that \"free\" chair suddenly costs $400!

It was suggested that we \"part out\" chairs and sell the subassemblies
on eBay. But, I\'m the only one qualified to do that and I have no
desire to be a salesman! (that would be a different mission statement)

Yet another example of how sad it is to see all the stuff that is
discarded on a daily basis!

And, the chairs aren\'t designed to make maintenance easy for ABLE-BODIED
folks,
let alone folks with particular mobility constraints. E.g., to replace the
batteries on mine, you have to run the elevator *up* to get the seat off of
the top of the battery compartment. Then, remove the shroud. Then,
each of
the 50 pound batteries.

If the batteries are *dead*, then the elevator won\'t function! So, you
have to
remove the seat cushion and seating plate. Then, thread a long rod through
a hole in the seat frame to manually engage the elevator mechanism,
crank the
seat up and continue from that point.

Several times the mechanic showed up to service the chair at work. The
batteries were never dead but working around defective limit switches and so
forth made most fixes a several hour project.

Yes, they aren\'t designed to be easy to service. I don\'t know if this is
the nature of the beast, a sign of ineptitude *or* merely another way to
ding an insurer for \"support\".

A bit of common (engineering) sense enabled me to sort out an easier
way to replace the batteries when failed:
- open main breaker (this isolates the DEAD batteries from the chair)
- connect chair to charger (I think this provides ~8A to the chair
albeit through flimsy \"charger\" wiring)
- sever the \"inhibit\" signal presented by the charger (intended to
ensure you can\'t operate any of the mechanisms while the charger
is connected; you can do this easily via a special little adapter
that provides continuity for power and gnd from the charger but
reroutes the inhibit signal)
- taking care NOT to engage the drive wheels, activate the elevator
(with no load on the seat!)
Why isn\'t this codified in the service manual (which is very detailed)?
Instead, one has to keep track of the special tool that is only
occasionally used to manually elevate the seat! (idiots)

Clearly designed by someone who expected NEVER to have to service his own
chair! Which is why they quote $1100 for a battery change. <rolls eyes

[But, then again, it\'s likely INSURANCE money paying the bill... so, the
market is distorted.

Definitely. I think his last new chair was north of $25,000 and motor
controllers, actuators and so forth are priced to match. I\'m not 100% certain
but I think it\'s a Permobil so many of the parts are from Sweden. Of course
nothing is a standard part that you could order from Grainger.

Maybe the fasteners... <grin>

I converted my second chair into an electric wheelbarrow -- mounting
the bucket from a conventional wheelbarrow in place of the seat.
Then the motorized \"tilt\" function lets me *dump* the contents.

[I will be redoing the yard, soon, and count on this to move the
20T of crushed stone to the back of the house! No need for batteries
as a pair of 12V 70A server power supplies act as a good \"battery
eliminator\" :> ]

I picked through the parts that I was prepared to discard, in the
\"conversion process\" with an eye towards having key spares on hand
(of course, that means more stuff to STORE!)

Thankfully, at least they were reasonably consistent in their choice
of fasteners so the number of tools required is few.

You\'d be amazed at how many places you can find to stash things! :
I\'ve stuff under the beds, on top of bookcases, under workbenches/desks,
etc. As I only wear T-shirts (save for the odd wedding/funeral), my
closets aren\'t wasted on storing clothing. :> If we had a basement,
I\'d be sunk!

Not amazed at all. I built my bed so the whole \'mattress\' component is hinged
and swings up to provide easy access to the storage compartments.

Ah, lifting my mattress would be a chore. Instead, I get on hands and
knees and peer under the bed in search of the easiest way to access
<whatever> I\'m looking for.

I run video and keyboard cables out from my headless appliances/servers
(which are typically tucked under bits of furniture) so I don\'t have to
try to access their back panels -- just pick up the cables and connect
them appropriately (when I need to interact with a device that isn\'t
booting as expected).

Ha! I\'d always thought of an old \"elementary school\" -- the kind
that has long halls and all the rooms on one level. You could set up
each classroom for a particular use instead of having to set-up, use,
tear-down *between* uses.

That is the biggest annoyance. Currently half of my \'desk\' (a hollow core door)
is taken over by a a pile of Arduinos, wireless modules, motor controllers and
so forth from a robotics project with unrelated bits and pieces mixed in.

But, if you are honest with yourself, you KNOW that having 10 times the
desk space would just result in ten times the clutter! Hence the appeal
of an old school -- you can simply move away from a project and start fresh
with a \"virgin\" work area. In a seemingly limitless way (for small values
of limitless)

Currently, I have only a few prototypes available that I am constantly
repurposing to test other \"modules\". So, I spend very little time
with any one module \"up\"; get the drivers working and then cannibalize
the hardware to develop the *next* module. Most of my real development
time goes to writing documentation for each module and the methods each
exports to the rest of the system.

[E.g., once I have *one* camera module working, there\'s no need to
build a second. Or, even KEEP the first one! Move on to another
knowing you can recreate this one as/if needed. When \"done\",
build enough hardware to reify each of the modules in their
proper numbers]

Yup. A friend \"solved\" that problem on his commercial property
by building over the areas that were once exposed soil. Amusing
to think of how cavalier we used to be with disposing of used motor
oil, industrial solvents, etc.

In the city there a stenciled markers around the storm drains reminding people
the aquifer is about 25\' down. Several of the lumber operations and the pulp
mill left behind their legacies. The pulp mill is particularly problematic
since the settling ponds are next to the river.

All of our domestic water is sourced from wells. *My* drinking water comes
from a well ~100 yards from here (technically, it feeds the distribution
network but you can safely assume that the majority of the water coming
from my tap came from that well!).

It gives you pause when you\'re spraying herbicide on weeds. Or, watching a
neighbor drain a pool.

I\'m as guilty as anyone. Old motor oil is great for keeping the dust down in a
gravel driveway.

As a kid, motor oil either was burned in the tempering oven where my
dad worked or poured into the storm drains -- to become someone else\'s
problem.

Here, I think more conventional household waste is the issue. Folks
pouring (food) grease in their drains.

I\'m convinced water will be the biggest problem that we face (as a nation
and as a people) going forward. Our abuse of it is largely ingrained.
 
On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

\"There is no birthright to transportation, other than the right to
walk.\"

Then again, nobody ASKED to be born into a country called the USA that
was designed around the automobile and had much of its public
transportation infrastructure dismantled in favor a long time ago.

No. The USA was \"designed around\" horses and mules and canoes and
sailing ships and wagons. People like to move themselves and their
stuff around. If anything designed our country, it was the collective
personal preferences.

The roads in many areas of Boston tend to be laid out about where the
carts went, there doesn\'t seem to be a lot of design to it though.

When you start with a town square that really is an irregular pentagon
things go to hell in a hurry. Then you have to remember the Back Bay
really was a bay and the Fens a tidal marsh. Even the Fens got redone
when they dammed the Charles and it went from brackish to fresh water.

It adds charm. I enjoyed walking around the town when I had work in the
area. \'Walking is the operant word. I\'d drive down from NH Sunday night
and park the car, only retrieving it to drive home Friday afternoon.


The \"charm\" also then tends to mean nobody wants anything built in or
near their charming neighborhood.

Housing in San Francisco and Boston proper is a terrible value for what
you get, this $448/month unit in Tokyo (also some of the most expensive
real estate in the world) is fantastic for the rent.

https://youtu.be/ooh1aoEJKZc?t=732


You\'d be hard-pressed to find anything as nice within the Boston city
limits for three times the price.

People who want to live in SF or Boston bid up the rents. They
obviously think it\'s worth it.

Google grossly over-pays them anyhow. Property values escalate within
walking distance of the google bus stops.


Yeah I will agree I\'ve only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying
several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset
worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to
afford that.
Google and Apple and Facebook and those guys pay big bucks to bright
kids. And the kids can get a tiny condo or apartment to sleep in and
spend a lot of time outside.

$200K income, $400K for a couple, and $2-3K per month for rent can be
fun.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a
racket and they can charge anything is that if you\'re rich, and you\'re
white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar
job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a
person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same
skillset.
This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

Hence, parents and students cheat. Society runs on people bending the
rules (and sometimes using violence in addition) to \"get ahead\" and in
America these are regularly tactics that work.

So the parents and students ask themselves why the hell am I playing the
game by the book when it seems like everyone else who\'s getting ahead
threw the book away a long time ago.
 
On 6/3/2022 3:50 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

\"There is no birthright to transportation, other than the right to
walk.\"

Then again, nobody ASKED to be born into a country called the USA that
was designed around the automobile and had much of its public
transportation infrastructure dismantled in favor a long time ago.

No. The USA was \"designed around\" horses and mules and canoes and
sailing ships and wagons. People like to move themselves and their
stuff around. If anything designed our country, it was the collective
personal preferences.

The roads in many areas of Boston tend to be laid out about where the
carts went, there doesn\'t seem to be a lot of design to it though.

When you start with a town square that really is an irregular pentagon
things go to hell in a hurry. Then you have to remember the Back Bay
really was a bay and the Fens a tidal marsh. Even the Fens got redone
when they dammed the Charles and it went from brackish to fresh water.

It adds charm. I enjoyed walking around the town when I had work in the
area. \'Walking is the operant word. I\'d drive down from NH Sunday night
and park the car, only retrieving it to drive home Friday afternoon.


The \"charm\" also then tends to mean nobody wants anything built in or
near their charming neighborhood.

Housing in San Francisco and Boston proper is a terrible value for what
you get, this $448/month unit in Tokyo (also some of the most expensive
real estate in the world) is fantastic for the rent.

https://youtu.be/ooh1aoEJKZc?t=732


You\'d be hard-pressed to find anything as nice within the Boston city
limits for three times the price.

People who want to live in SF or Boston bid up the rents. They
obviously think it\'s worth it.

Google grossly over-pays them anyhow. Property values escalate within
walking distance of the google bus stops.


Yeah I will agree I\'ve only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying
several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset
worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to
afford that.
Google and Apple and Facebook and those guys pay big bucks to bright
kids. And the kids can get a tiny condo or apartment to sleep in and
spend a lot of time outside.

$200K income, $400K for a couple, and $2-3K per month for rent can be
fun.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a
racket and they can charge anything is that if you\'re rich, and you\'re
white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar
job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a
person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same
skillset.
This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.


His point is the genes dominate. Harvard is very selective. Harvard
grads are good mostly because the entering freshmen were good.

Good book. Lots of interesting stuff.

Jeez, you think the Ivy League is some kind of pure meritocracy? Get real..
 
On 6/4/2022 1:29 AM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 5:50:30 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.

His point is the genes dominate.

True. But his metric was \"years in education\" which is pretty unspecific. His data-base is places like \"23 and me\" which offer a lot of genomes but aren\'t set up to collect much data from even people who - like me - who are willing to provide the data.

Harvard is very selective. Harvard grads are good mostly because the entering freshmen were good.

Harvard is very selective, but the students whose parents want their kids to get into Harvard pay a lot for extra instruction to make their kids look good.

Good book. Lots of interesting stuff.

But it doesn\'t say what John Larkin likes to think it says. He\'s got Flyguy\'s kind of reading comprehension - he can always understand text in a way that suits what he wants it to say.

JL subscribes to the \"America should be ruled by the people who own it\"
philosophy, and tends to figure that \"the people who own it\" were
destined to own it by their genetics
 
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 6:41:42 PM UTC+2, bitrex wrote:
On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

<snip>

This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

It is, but John Larkin doesn\'t seem to have understood what it was saying.

> >> On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going to some cheap state college.

It clearly doesn\'t say anything of the sort.

> > A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.

Harvard gets to pick and choose its students, and can cream off what looks like the pick of the crop, not that any mode of testing students is all that reliable. Harvard can afford to make their courses demanding without running the risk of washing out too many students who can\'t hack it - and irritating the student\'s influential parents.

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

Hence, parents and students cheat. Society runs on people bending the
rules (and sometimes using violence in addition) to \"get ahead\" and in
America these are regularly tactics that work.

Not all the time, and clearly not often enough to wreck the system.

So the parents and students ask themselves why the hell am I playing the
game by the book when it seems like everyone else who\'s getting ahead
threw the book away a long time ago.

Cheats and psychopaths are always free-loading, and systems evolves to become better at squeezing them out. The US seems to be evolving a bit less rapidly than it might .

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:46:10 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/3/2022 3:50 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

\"There is no birthright to transportation, other than the right to
walk.\"

Then again, nobody ASKED to be born into a country called the USA that
was designed around the automobile and had much of its public
transportation infrastructure dismantled in favor a long time ago.

No. The USA was \"designed around\" horses and mules and canoes and
sailing ships and wagons. People like to move themselves and their
stuff around. If anything designed our country, it was the collective
personal preferences.

The roads in many areas of Boston tend to be laid out about where the
carts went, there doesn\'t seem to be a lot of design to it though.

When you start with a town square that really is an irregular pentagon
things go to hell in a hurry. Then you have to remember the Back Bay
really was a bay and the Fens a tidal marsh. Even the Fens got redone
when they dammed the Charles and it went from brackish to fresh water.

It adds charm. I enjoyed walking around the town when I had work in the
area. \'Walking is the operant word. I\'d drive down from NH Sunday night
and park the car, only retrieving it to drive home Friday afternoon.


The \"charm\" also then tends to mean nobody wants anything built in or
near their charming neighborhood.

Housing in San Francisco and Boston proper is a terrible value for what
you get, this $448/month unit in Tokyo (also some of the most expensive
real estate in the world) is fantastic for the rent.

https://youtu.be/ooh1aoEJKZc?t=732


You\'d be hard-pressed to find anything as nice within the Boston city
limits for three times the price.

People who want to live in SF or Boston bid up the rents. They
obviously think it\'s worth it.

Google grossly over-pays them anyhow. Property values escalate within
walking distance of the google bus stops.


Yeah I will agree I\'ve only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying
several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset
worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to
afford that.
Google and Apple and Facebook and those guys pay big bucks to bright
kids. And the kids can get a tiny condo or apartment to sleep in and
spend a lot of time outside.

$200K income, $400K for a couple, and $2-3K per month for rent can be
fun.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a
racket and they can charge anything is that if you\'re rich, and you\'re
white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar
job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a
person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same
skillset.
This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.


His point is the genes dominate. Harvard is very selective. Harvard
grads are good mostly because the entering freshmen were good.

Good book. Lots of interesting stuff.

Jeez, you think the Ivy League is some kind of pure meritocracy? Get real..

I didn\'t say anything like that.

But please don\'t read the book. It might disturb your prejudices.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 6:46:18 PM UTC+2, bitrex wrote:
On 6/3/2022 3:50 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

His point is the genes dominate. Harvard is very selective. Harvard
grads are good mostly because the entering freshmen were good.

Good book. Lots of interesting stuff.

Jeez, you think the Ivy League is some kind of pure meritocracy? Get real...

The Ivy League was never any kind of \"pure meritocracy\". It runs on reputation. If you have enough bright students wanting to buy into that reputation, you can select only the most promising candidates, and even a fairly unreliable selection tools will give you enough genuinely bright students to sustain the reputation.

\"To him that hath shall be given\"

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:41:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

\"There is no birthright to transportation, other than the right to
walk.\"

Then again, nobody ASKED to be born into a country called the USA that
was designed around the automobile and had much of its public
transportation infrastructure dismantled in favor a long time ago.

No. The USA was \"designed around\" horses and mules and canoes and
sailing ships and wagons. People like to move themselves and their
stuff around. If anything designed our country, it was the collective
personal preferences.

The roads in many areas of Boston tend to be laid out about where the
carts went, there doesn\'t seem to be a lot of design to it though.

When you start with a town square that really is an irregular pentagon
things go to hell in a hurry. Then you have to remember the Back Bay
really was a bay and the Fens a tidal marsh. Even the Fens got redone
when they dammed the Charles and it went from brackish to fresh water.

It adds charm. I enjoyed walking around the town when I had work in the
area. \'Walking is the operant word. I\'d drive down from NH Sunday night
and park the car, only retrieving it to drive home Friday afternoon.


The \"charm\" also then tends to mean nobody wants anything built in or
near their charming neighborhood.

Housing in San Francisco and Boston proper is a terrible value for what
you get, this $448/month unit in Tokyo (also some of the most expensive
real estate in the world) is fantastic for the rent.

https://youtu.be/ooh1aoEJKZc?t=732


You\'d be hard-pressed to find anything as nice within the Boston city
limits for three times the price.

People who want to live in SF or Boston bid up the rents. They
obviously think it\'s worth it.

Google grossly over-pays them anyhow. Property values escalate within
walking distance of the google bus stops.


Yeah I will agree I\'ve only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying
several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset
worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to
afford that.
Google and Apple and Facebook and those guys pay big bucks to bright
kids. And the kids can get a tiny condo or apartment to sleep in and
spend a lot of time outside.

$200K income, $400K for a couple, and $2-3K per month for rent can be
fun.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a
racket and they can charge anything is that if you\'re rich, and you\'re
white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar
job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a
person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same
skillset.
This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

The average plumber or elevator repairperson makes more than the
average master in sociology. And probably enjoys their job more.

Just the other side of my wall here is the elevator repair union. They
have wild BBQs on the sidewalk just below my window but, sniff, they
never invite me. I like worker-guys.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:07:45 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:46:10 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/3/2022 3:50 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

Jeez, you think the Ivy League is some kind of pure meritocracy? Get real..

I didn\'t say anything like that.

Or like to think that you didn\'t. Robert Plomin\'s book \"Blueprint\" didn\'t say what you claimed it did either, so you didn\'t understand what he said any more than you\'ve understood what you said.

> But please don\'t read the book. It might disturb your prejudices.

It\'s an informative book, but it is difficult to see it changing anybody\'s prejudices. I suppose the idea that intelligent parents have intelligent children because both parents have thousands of genes that all individually boost intelligence very slightly, so your kids are never going to be intelligent in exactly the same way as you are, may upset people who talk about having their grandfather\'s brain, but that doesn\'t look much like a prejudice..

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:12:34 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:41:32 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

<snip>

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

The average plumber or elevator repair-person makes more than the
average master in sociology. And probably enjoys their job more.

Sociology hasn\'t got to the point where they can redesign society in a way that works better, so they aren\'t going to be highly paid.
It follows that people who do study sociology do it because they like the job, and probably do enjoy it.

Other academic studies can generate higher incomes.
Just the other side of my wall here is the elevator repair union. They
have wild BBQs on the sidewalk just below my window but, sniff, they
never invite me. I like worker-guys.

Just so long as you don\'t have to spend time with them. That kind of work is satisfying, because you do give the customers what they want, but it isn\'t intellectually stimulating - which isn\'t a problem for a lot of people who - like you - don\'t have much of an intellect.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney (but stuck in Nijmegen NL at the moment)
 
On 6/6/2022 1:12 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:41:32 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

\"There is no birthright to transportation, other than the right to
walk.\"

Then again, nobody ASKED to be born into a country called the USA that
was designed around the automobile and had much of its public
transportation infrastructure dismantled in favor a long time ago.

No. The USA was \"designed around\" horses and mules and canoes and
sailing ships and wagons. People like to move themselves and their
stuff around. If anything designed our country, it was the collective
personal preferences.

The roads in many areas of Boston tend to be laid out about where the
carts went, there doesn\'t seem to be a lot of design to it though.

When you start with a town square that really is an irregular pentagon
things go to hell in a hurry. Then you have to remember the Back Bay
really was a bay and the Fens a tidal marsh. Even the Fens got redone
when they dammed the Charles and it went from brackish to fresh water.

It adds charm. I enjoyed walking around the town when I had work in the
area. \'Walking is the operant word. I\'d drive down from NH Sunday night
and park the car, only retrieving it to drive home Friday afternoon.


The \"charm\" also then tends to mean nobody wants anything built in or
near their charming neighborhood.

Housing in San Francisco and Boston proper is a terrible value for what
you get, this $448/month unit in Tokyo (also some of the most expensive
real estate in the world) is fantastic for the rent.

https://youtu.be/ooh1aoEJKZc?t=732


You\'d be hard-pressed to find anything as nice within the Boston city
limits for three times the price.

People who want to live in SF or Boston bid up the rents. They
obviously think it\'s worth it.

Google grossly over-pays them anyhow. Property values escalate within
walking distance of the google bus stops.


Yeah I will agree I\'ve only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying
several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset
worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to
afford that.
Google and Apple and Facebook and those guys pay big bucks to bright
kids. And the kids can get a tiny condo or apartment to sleep in and
spend a lot of time outside.

$200K income, $400K for a couple, and $2-3K per month for rent can be
fun.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a
racket and they can charge anything is that if you\'re rich, and you\'re
white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar
job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a
person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same
skillset.
This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

The average plumber or elevator repairperson makes more than the
average master in sociology. And probably enjoys their job more.

Just the other side of my wall here is the elevator repair union. They
have wild BBQs on the sidewalk just below my window but, sniff, they
never invite me. I like worker-guys.

Elevator maintenance or plumbing perhaps isn\'t as hard on the body as a
number of other trades like construction, railway/power line
maintenance, auto and truck service, etc.

Sadly the rehab/disability centers I\'ve seen have many guys in their
50s, 40s, and occasionally younger who\'ve had a serious injury or a
deteriorating joint and can\'t do their trade anymore. They may have
worked in construction 20 years and have only a high-school education,
what do they do then is the question.

Some of the trades are like an NFL player, you\'d very much hope the job
pays well because your time horizon may be significantly less than 65.
 
On 6/6/2022 2:02 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:12:34 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:41:32 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

snip

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

The average plumber or elevator repair-person makes more than the
average master in sociology. And probably enjoys their job more.

Sociology hasn\'t got to the point where they can redesign society in a way that works better, so they aren\'t going to be highly paid.
It follows that people who do study sociology do it because they like the job, and probably do enjoy it.

Other academic studies can generate higher incomes.

Just the other side of my wall here is the elevator repair union. They
have wild BBQs on the sidewalk just below my window but, sniff, they
never invite me. I like worker-guys.

Just so long as you don\'t have to spend time with them. That kind of work is satisfying, because you do give the customers what they want, but it isn\'t intellectually stimulating - which isn\'t a problem for a lot of people who - like you - don\'t have much of an intellect.

There isn\'t a necessity in the world for that many plumbers or elevator
maintenance personnel. There seems to be a lot more availability for
meal-servers and taxi drivers, and software engineers and managers, anyway.
 
On 6/6/2022 1:07 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:46:10 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/3/2022 3:50 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 12:04:13 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:

On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

\"There is no birthright to transportation, other than the right to
walk.\"

Then again, nobody ASKED to be born into a country called the USA that
was designed around the automobile and had much of its public
transportation infrastructure dismantled in favor a long time ago.

No. The USA was \"designed around\" horses and mules and canoes and
sailing ships and wagons. People like to move themselves and their
stuff around. If anything designed our country, it was the collective
personal preferences.

The roads in many areas of Boston tend to be laid out about where the
carts went, there doesn\'t seem to be a lot of design to it though.

When you start with a town square that really is an irregular pentagon
things go to hell in a hurry. Then you have to remember the Back Bay
really was a bay and the Fens a tidal marsh. Even the Fens got redone
when they dammed the Charles and it went from brackish to fresh water.

It adds charm. I enjoyed walking around the town when I had work in the
area. \'Walking is the operant word. I\'d drive down from NH Sunday night
and park the car, only retrieving it to drive home Friday afternoon.


The \"charm\" also then tends to mean nobody wants anything built in or
near their charming neighborhood.

Housing in San Francisco and Boston proper is a terrible value for what
you get, this $448/month unit in Tokyo (also some of the most expensive
real estate in the world) is fantastic for the rent.

https://youtu.be/ooh1aoEJKZc?t=732


You\'d be hard-pressed to find anything as nice within the Boston city
limits for three times the price.

People who want to live in SF or Boston bid up the rents. They
obviously think it\'s worth it.

Google grossly over-pays them anyhow. Property values escalate within
walking distance of the google bus stops.


Yeah I will agree I\'ve only rarely met anyone in their 20s or 30s paying
several thousand a month in rent who seemed like they had a skillset
worth whatever their Boston employer was paying them to be able to
afford that.
Google and Apple and Facebook and those guys pay big bucks to bright
kids. And the kids can get a tiny condo or apartment to sleep in and
spend a lot of time outside.

$200K income, $400K for a couple, and $2-3K per month for rent can be
fun.

One of the reasons the university system in the US has become such a
racket and they can charge anything is that if you\'re rich, and you\'re
white, that degree is still a pretty reliable ticket to a white-collar
job. Someone will almost surely hire you eventually in a way that a
person without the credentials would not be even if they had the same
skillset.
This is interesting and very well researched:

https://tinyurl.com/2p8sc2xp

On conclusion is that going to Harvard is not much better than going
to some cheap state college.

A lot depends on the student body because the school tailors its curriculum for them. Most state schools are full of people with no respect for scholarship and they\'re there to party and get their ticket punched. And I can\'t believe the number of people in that relatively mature age group who participate in organized cheating in some way- seems very childish to me- oh well the government has to get its applicants from somewhere. Even a decent community college is better than that.


His point is the genes dominate. Harvard is very selective. Harvard
grads are good mostly because the entering freshmen were good.

Good book. Lots of interesting stuff.

Jeez, you think the Ivy League is some kind of pure meritocracy? Get real..


I didn\'t say anything like that.

But please don\'t read the book. It might disturb your prejudices.

At least the 2019 admission scandal, probably only the tip of the iceberg:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_bribery_scandal>

revealed about high-end universities what a lot of people already
figured, it\'s pay-for-play. Though I think we weren\'t expecting it to be
happening quite that flagrantly..
 
On 6/3/2022 5:54 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/06/2022 22:08, bitrex wrote:
On 6/1/2022 4:49 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Evidence for this? They had a false dawn around 1910 but then were
outpaced at every turn by the internal combustion engine. Until the
advent of modern Nd magnetic materials and lithium batteries they
were always in very real trouble for power to weight ratio.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15378765/worth-the-watt-a-brief-history-of-the-electric-car-1830-to-present/


Battery and motor technology were just not really up to it until
comparatively recently. UK had daily milk delivery vehicles powered
by lead acid cells when I was young but that was about it as far as
electric vehicles went. (advantage of nearly silent operation)

Trams were OK because they could avoid carrying the battery weight.

Wow, were the milk trucks run on battery so they wouldn\'t disturb
residents early in the morning?

Got it in one. They didn\'t have to be very quick either since it is
entirely short bursts of stop start driving. The weight of the batteries
was huge though. The odd one would have hand brake failure on a hill and
run away down it destroying whatever it happened to hit at the bottom.

They were not quite silent either since the bottles would make chink
chink noises rattling around in their metal frame carriers.

That\'s different than how things are in the US where all service
vehicles that come thru your neighborhood early in the morning seem to
try to make as much noise as they can unless your neighborhood\'s
median income is 100 grand or over

Par for the course these days. Our bin men don\'t get to my village until
about lunchtime so it isn\'t a problem for me.

My girlfriend used to live down the street from a major hospital. There
was a reason the rent was a bit low for the area I guess..
 
On 6/6/2022 1:04 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

Hence, parents and students cheat. Society runs on people bending the
rules (and sometimes using violence in addition) to \"get ahead\" and in
America these are regularly tactics that work.

Not all the time, and clearly not often enough to wreck the system.

So the parents and students ask themselves why the hell am I playing the
game by the book when it seems like everyone else who\'s getting ahead
threw the book away a long time ago.

Cheats and psychopaths are always free-loading, and systems evolves to become better at squeezing them out. The US seems to be evolving a bit less rapidly than it might .

When poor in the US the phrase \"It\'s better to ask forgiveness than
permission\" resonates. If your gamble whatever it is succeeds people
tend to forgive you for any rules you bent, because it was a successful
gamble and in the US success tends to be admired in whatever forms it takes.

If you fail and bent the rules in the process you\'ll take a hard fall,
but the US tends to let its poor take hard falls anyway, even ones who
don\'t take big risks or bend the rules.
 
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:17:07 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/3/2022 5:54 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/06/2022 22:08, bitrex wrote:
On 6/1/2022 4:49 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Evidence for this? They had a false dawn around 1910 but then were
outpaced at every turn by the internal combustion engine. Until the
advent of modern Nd magnetic materials and lithium batteries they
were always in very real trouble for power to weight ratio.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15378765/worth-the-watt-a-brief-history-of-the-electric-car-1830-to-present/


Battery and motor technology were just not really up to it until
comparatively recently. UK had daily milk delivery vehicles powered
by lead acid cells when I was young but that was about it as far as
electric vehicles went. (advantage of nearly silent operation)

Trams were OK because they could avoid carrying the battery weight.

Wow, were the milk trucks run on battery so they wouldn\'t disturb
residents early in the morning?

Got it in one. They didn\'t have to be very quick either since it is
entirely short bursts of stop start driving. The weight of the batteries
was huge though. The odd one would have hand brake failure on a hill and
run away down it destroying whatever it happened to hit at the bottom.

They were not quite silent either since the bottles would make chink
chink noises rattling around in their metal frame carriers.

That\'s different than how things are in the US where all service
vehicles that come thru your neighborhood early in the morning seem to
try to make as much noise as they can unless your neighborhood\'s
median income is 100 grand or over

Par for the course these days. Our bin men don\'t get to my village until
about lunchtime so it isn\'t a problem for me.


My girlfriend used to live down the street from a major hospital. There
was a reason the rent was a bit low for the area I guess..

My office is three blocks from SF General (ie Zuckerberg) Hospital,
the main trauma center in town. So I get all the ambulances and fire
trucks outside my window, and for some reason packs of idiots doing
wheelies on motorcycles. Maybe those are related somehow.

I had a head crash a few years ago and spent a couple of days in
intensive care there. It was very nice, actually. Mostly.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 14:45:31 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/6/2022 2:02 PM, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 7:12:34 PM UTC+2, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:41:32 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/3/2022 3:04 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:56:59 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:53:43 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 6/2/2022 2:20 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:24:08 -0400, bitrex <us...@example.net> wrote:
On 5/31/2022 10:40 PM, rbowman wrote:

snip

It\'s not \"childish\" when whether a person has their ticket punched or
not is the difference between a white-collar job that pays well, and
only being able to find menial work the rest of their life. Wages at the
low end almost never rise.

The average plumber or elevator repair-person makes more than the
average master in sociology. And probably enjoys their job more.

Sociology hasn\'t got to the point where they can redesign society in a way that works better, so they aren\'t going to be highly paid.
It follows that people who do study sociology do it because they like the job, and probably do enjoy it.

Other academic studies can generate higher incomes.

Just the other side of my wall here is the elevator repair union. They
have wild BBQs on the sidewalk just below my window but, sniff, they
never invite me. I like worker-guys.

Just so long as you don\'t have to spend time with them. That kind of work is satisfying, because you do give the customers what they want, but it isn\'t intellectually stimulating - which isn\'t a problem for a lot of people who - like you - don\'t have much of an intellect.


There isn\'t a necessity in the world for that many plumbers or elevator
maintenance personnel. There seems to be a lot more availability for
meal-servers and taxi drivers, and software engineers and managers, anyway.

Around here, there is huge demand for construction guys and plumbers
and electricians. It\'s even worse in Truckee; guys are booked for
months.

That would be fun, an electrician/ski bum. Three hours work would buy
a season\'s lift ticket... and lots of drinks.



--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon
 
On 6/6/2022 8:08 PM, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 16:17:07 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 6/3/2022 5:54 AM, Martin Brown wrote:
On 01/06/2022 22:08, bitrex wrote:
On 6/1/2022 4:49 PM, Martin Brown wrote:

Evidence for this? They had a false dawn around 1910 but then were
outpaced at every turn by the internal combustion engine. Until the
advent of modern Nd magnetic materials and lithium batteries they
were always in very real trouble for power to weight ratio.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g15378765/worth-the-watt-a-brief-history-of-the-electric-car-1830-to-present/


Battery and motor technology were just not really up to it until
comparatively recently. UK had daily milk delivery vehicles powered
by lead acid cells when I was young but that was about it as far as
electric vehicles went. (advantage of nearly silent operation)

Trams were OK because they could avoid carrying the battery weight.

Wow, were the milk trucks run on battery so they wouldn\'t disturb
residents early in the morning?

Got it in one. They didn\'t have to be very quick either since it is
entirely short bursts of stop start driving. The weight of the batteries
was huge though. The odd one would have hand brake failure on a hill and
run away down it destroying whatever it happened to hit at the bottom.

They were not quite silent either since the bottles would make chink
chink noises rattling around in their metal frame carriers.

That\'s different than how things are in the US where all service
vehicles that come thru your neighborhood early in the morning seem to
try to make as much noise as they can unless your neighborhood\'s
median income is 100 grand or over

Par for the course these days. Our bin men don\'t get to my village until
about lunchtime so it isn\'t a problem for me.


My girlfriend used to live down the street from a major hospital. There
was a reason the rent was a bit low for the area I guess..

My office is three blocks from SF General (ie Zuckerberg) Hospital,
the main trauma center in town. So I get all the ambulances and fire
trucks outside my window, and for some reason packs of idiots doing
wheelies on motorcycles. Maybe those are related somehow.

The hospital campus in Providence RI takes up about a quarter of the
city proper, the complex is at the lower left of this pic:

<https://imgur.com/a/iK9MhAJ>

So \"down the street\" is a bit relative as in that town just about
everything is about three blocks from everything else. She could sleep
right through the sirens and car stereos at night, I\'ve spent most of my
life living in rural-ish suburbs so never really got used to it.

I had a head crash a few years ago and spent a couple of days in
intensive care there. It was very nice, actually. Mostly.

Inpatient hospital rooms IME are lousy places to sleep, beeping machines
and nurses coming in and out every 20 min to check this or that. Anyone
resting for very long in there is likely receiving sleeping pills.
Probably helps convince people to move on out who don\'t really need to
be there.

OTOH I\'ve rarely had food that was that bad in a hospital in New
England, breakfast is usually the best.
 

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