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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 5:46:44 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf

Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.

It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.

<snipped Fred Bloggs being stupid>

That paper is hilarious. They declare that the public is so ignorant
that they look at a linear slope and don\'t appreciate that it\'s
actually exponential. What\'s worse, some of those ignorant rednecks
think they actually see a peak and a decline.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Some people, when equations conflict with measurement, still believe
the equations.

The problem isn\'t getting people to believe in the equations. The problem is getting them to take the reality of exponential growth into account when they look at the data.

You can\'t manage that - you look at the Covid-19 data and it always tells you that the problem is going away. Even when the US new case per day rate went up from a roughly steady 30,000 per day to 60,000 per day, yo went to trouble of telling us that the death rate hadn\'t gone up, even though the median time from infection to death (for people who die) is about 18 days.

It\'s a slightly more subtle problem than you seem to be equipped to comprehend - which puts you squarely in your \"ignorant red-neck\" class.

I wouldn\'t dream predicting mathematical sophistication on the basis of some American social classification. You graduated from Tulane, so it seems unlikely that anybody would classify you as an ignorant red-neck - gullible twits show up in every social class, and a university education doesn\'t seem to be able to instill critical thinking (though it ought to).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 5:46:44 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf

Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.

It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.

<snipped Fred Bloggs being stupid>

That paper is hilarious. They declare that the public is so ignorant
that they look at a linear slope and don\'t appreciate that it\'s
actually exponential. What\'s worse, some of those ignorant rednecks
think they actually see a peak and a decline.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Some people, when equations conflict with measurement, still believe
the equations.

The problem isn\'t getting people to believe in the equations. The problem is getting them to take the reality of exponential growth into account when they look at the data.

You can\'t manage that - you look at the Covid-19 data and it always tells you that the problem is going away. Even when the US new case per day rate went up from a roughly steady 30,000 per day to 60,000 per day, yo went to trouble of telling us that the death rate hadn\'t gone up, even though the median time from infection to death (for people who die) is about 18 days.

It\'s a slightly more subtle problem than you seem to be equipped to comprehend - which puts you squarely in your \"ignorant red-neck\" class.

I wouldn\'t dream predicting mathematical sophistication on the basis of some American social classification. You graduated from Tulane, so it seems unlikely that anybody would classify you as an ignorant red-neck - gullible twits show up in every social class, and a university education doesn\'t seem to be able to instill critical thinking (though it ought to).

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 11:20:41 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:32:03 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:39:36 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:05:00 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 3:46:50 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 02/07/2020 06:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 6:03:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 01/07/20 22:01, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 1:09:01 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 01/07/20 17:42, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 10:34:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 30/06/20 15:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

Hardware doesn\'t care how lovely your idea sounded.

There\'s nothing so humbling as a single transistor\'s behaving
not-to-plan...

I also think that hardware design is appealing to, and done by, people
who are hard-nosed thinkers by nature. But it does (often but not
always) train us to examine actual causalities, and to do simple stuff
that works, to check our work, to not make fatal mistakes.

It clearly hasn\'t done that for you are James Arthur. James Arthur in particular is extremely fond of ignoring actual causalities and telling us that his grossly over-simplified view of the world is the only one we need.

It\'s sad when someone wants to be an electronic designer, but just
doesn\'t have the mentality to do it. We need to find other uses for
such people, if we can.

Like peddling half-baked electronics designs to people who don\'t know enough electronics to notice their inadequacies? It does help if you don\'t know enough about electronics to be aware of the inadequacy of the products, and can sincerely claim that they are \"insanely good\".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 11:20:41 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:32:03 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 5:39:36 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:05:00 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 3:46:50 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
On 02/07/2020 06:27, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 6:03:50 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 01/07/20 22:01, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 at 1:09:01 PM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 01/07/20 17:42, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 at 10:34:18 AM UTC-4, Tom Gardner wrote:
On 30/06/20 15:22, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

<snip>

Hardware doesn\'t care how lovely your idea sounded.

There\'s nothing so humbling as a single transistor\'s behaving
not-to-plan...

I also think that hardware design is appealing to, and done by, people
who are hard-nosed thinkers by nature. But it does (often but not
always) train us to examine actual causalities, and to do simple stuff
that works, to check our work, to not make fatal mistakes.

It clearly hasn\'t done that for you are James Arthur. James Arthur in particular is extremely fond of ignoring actual causalities and telling us that his grossly over-simplified view of the world is the only one we need.

It\'s sad when someone wants to be an electronic designer, but just
doesn\'t have the mentality to do it. We need to find other uses for
such people, if we can.

Like peddling half-baked electronics designs to people who don\'t know enough electronics to notice their inadequacies? It does help if you don\'t know enough about electronics to be aware of the inadequacy of the products, and can sincerely claim that they are \"insanely good\".

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:43:02 AM UTC+10, Joe Gwinn wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:54:54 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/07/20 15:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:56 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/07/20 14:26, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 07:28:17 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

True for some people, false for many more.

Many people feel defined by their work, and feel
pointless without it. Such people have a tendency
to \"give up and die\" relatively shortly after
retiring.

You seem to understand Theory X companies, but
have no clue about Theory Y companies, as described
by McGregor in the 1950s.

Long before McGregor, Hewlett and Packard knew the
difference instinctively, and created a rather
successful Theory Y company. You may have heard
of it.

\"Theory Y managers assume employees are internally
motivated, enjoy their job, and work to better
themselves without a direct reward in return. These
managers view their employees as one of the most
valuable assets to the company, driving the internal
workings of the corporation. Employees additionally
tend to take full responsibility for their work and
do not need close supervision to create a quality
product.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_Theory_Y

Or, as famously noted at the time of Princess Fiorina,
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0105/loyal.shtml

Sure, but a company doesn\'t become a Y just with a policy statement.
It requires finding and hiring the right workers, treating them right,
and firing the ones that don\'t work out.

It didn\'t cross my mind anybody could think mere
policy statements could be sufficient.

In HP, the HP Way was continually reinforced and
re-explained by use of Bill and Dave anecdotes,
wheeled out to show how they thought and wanted
things to be done. Apparently when they were setting
up new sites the first hires became a little sick
and tired of them!

OTOH, Princess Fiorina made very animated policy
pronouncements, which nobody could understand.
That\'s one of the things that made me decide
to leave.

I have Packard\'s book, The HP Way. And I have Fiorina\'s book, The
Journey. The contrast is hilarious.

Not if you were in HP!


HP did that early on. By about 1980, not so well.

HP was /very/ careful about its hiring process, at least
until shortly before Fiorina ascended in 1999.

I interviewed at HP in about 1980. The guy was obnoxious. He would
have been my boss.

He looked at my resume and said \"The first thing you need to do is
decide if you are an engineer or a programmer.\"

What I decided to do was walk out.

Snap!

I had an interview at a GEC site in ~1981. After explaining
the hardware and software and systems I had designed, the
HRdroid asked me whether I was \"really a hardware of software
engineer\".

Somewhat surprisingly, I managed not to give him an earful.
I suspect the expression on my face and my answers becoming
terser might have alerted him to his faux pas. The idiot still
offered me a job.

I have a similar story from the 1970s, but it turned out rather
better.

I was applying to a middle size defense contractor in the Baltimore
suburbs, and the hiring manager looked over my resume, and asked which
I preferred, hardware or software. I replied that it was very useful
to be bilingual, to be able to speak hardware to software and vice
versa.

I did get the job, worked there for seven years, leaving only when I
decided to move back to the Boston area.

I was an embedded realtime programmer, writing in assembly code on the
metal in those days. All the embedded realtime programmers at that
company had hardware degrees, which was necessary to do much of
anything. Computer science had not yet been invented.

Not exactly true. I did Theory of Computation Part 1 in 1967 as a graduate student. It didn\'t go all that far into computer science, but Turing\'s name did crop up from time to time, and it was taught by professional computer scientists, rather than mathematicians who specialised in numerical analysis (though that was where they mostly came from).

The proposition that LISP would save the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)

might have been around - LISP was invented in 1958 - but you need a lots more mass memory than was economically feasible at the time to have long enough lists to process to any effect.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 6:43:02 AM UTC+10, Joe Gwinn wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:54:54 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/07/20 15:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:56 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/07/20 14:26, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 07:28:17 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.

True for some people, false for many more.

Many people feel defined by their work, and feel
pointless without it. Such people have a tendency
to \"give up and die\" relatively shortly after
retiring.

You seem to understand Theory X companies, but
have no clue about Theory Y companies, as described
by McGregor in the 1950s.

Long before McGregor, Hewlett and Packard knew the
difference instinctively, and created a rather
successful Theory Y company. You may have heard
of it.

\"Theory Y managers assume employees are internally
motivated, enjoy their job, and work to better
themselves without a direct reward in return. These
managers view their employees as one of the most
valuable assets to the company, driving the internal
workings of the corporation. Employees additionally
tend to take full responsibility for their work and
do not need close supervision to create a quality
product.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_Theory_Y

Or, as famously noted at the time of Princess Fiorina,
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0105/loyal.shtml

Sure, but a company doesn\'t become a Y just with a policy statement.
It requires finding and hiring the right workers, treating them right,
and firing the ones that don\'t work out.

It didn\'t cross my mind anybody could think mere
policy statements could be sufficient.

In HP, the HP Way was continually reinforced and
re-explained by use of Bill and Dave anecdotes,
wheeled out to show how they thought and wanted
things to be done. Apparently when they were setting
up new sites the first hires became a little sick
and tired of them!

OTOH, Princess Fiorina made very animated policy
pronouncements, which nobody could understand.
That\'s one of the things that made me decide
to leave.

I have Packard\'s book, The HP Way. And I have Fiorina\'s book, The
Journey. The contrast is hilarious.

Not if you were in HP!


HP did that early on. By about 1980, not so well.

HP was /very/ careful about its hiring process, at least
until shortly before Fiorina ascended in 1999.

I interviewed at HP in about 1980. The guy was obnoxious. He would
have been my boss.

He looked at my resume and said \"The first thing you need to do is
decide if you are an engineer or a programmer.\"

What I decided to do was walk out.

Snap!

I had an interview at a GEC site in ~1981. After explaining
the hardware and software and systems I had designed, the
HRdroid asked me whether I was \"really a hardware of software
engineer\".

Somewhat surprisingly, I managed not to give him an earful.
I suspect the expression on my face and my answers becoming
terser might have alerted him to his faux pas. The idiot still
offered me a job.

I have a similar story from the 1970s, but it turned out rather
better.

I was applying to a middle size defense contractor in the Baltimore
suburbs, and the hiring manager looked over my resume, and asked which
I preferred, hardware or software. I replied that it was very useful
to be bilingual, to be able to speak hardware to software and vice
versa.

I did get the job, worked there for seven years, leaving only when I
decided to move back to the Boston area.

I was an embedded realtime programmer, writing in assembly code on the
metal in those days. All the embedded realtime programmers at that
company had hardware degrees, which was necessary to do much of
anything. Computer science had not yet been invented.

Not exactly true. I did Theory of Computation Part 1 in 1967 as a graduate student. It didn\'t go all that far into computer science, but Turing\'s name did crop up from time to time, and it was taught by professional computer scientists, rather than mathematicians who specialised in numerical analysis (though that was where they mostly came from).

The proposition that LISP would save the world

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language)

might have been around - LISP was invented in 1958 - but you need a lots more mass memory than was economically feasible at the time to have long enough lists to process to any effect.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 11:44:37 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

Definitely not. It just means that if you run into an infected person they won\'t infected you, so you won\'t go on to infect anybody else.

You definitely have to be part of the herd to contribute to herd immunity.

You can still act as a physical carrier of virus particles - somebody in Sydney is claimed to have infected somebody else one day after they were exposed to an infected person. This is probably wrong - it\'s more likely that the virus cloud that infected them stuck to their clothes and infected the person that are supposed to have infected.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydey

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 11:44:37 PM UTC+10, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

Definitely not. It just means that if you run into an infected person they won\'t infected you, so you won\'t go on to infect anybody else.

You definitely have to be part of the herd to contribute to herd immunity.

You can still act as a physical carrier of virus particles - somebody in Sydney is claimed to have infected somebody else one day after they were exposed to an infected person. This is probably wrong - it\'s more likely that the virus cloud that infected them stuck to their clothes and infected the person that are supposed to have infected.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

--
Bill Sloman, Sydey

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 9:39:47 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:34:13 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
klaus.kragelund@gmail.com wrote:
As an European it is fun or maybe tragic is a more appropriate to
follow the US pandemic response

As an American it\'s sometimes fun and sometimes tragic to follow
European affairs. And we don\'t have to go back far. Even genocide on
the continent was only 20 years ago and the European states did nothing
when they had the power to stop it.


People that think the virus is not real,

Slightly more common than thinking the Earth is flat.


people that won\'t wear mask

Everyone around here does when near people. Some people are masochistic
and wear it when no one is within 100 m.


saying it is against the constitution,

I haven\'t heard anyone say masks are unconstitutional. It\'s not even a
requirement except in stores and offices and that\'s a rule set by the
owners which is their right.

I have heard people say forbidding people to \"peaceably assemble\" and to
practice religion is unconstitutional, because it is, explicitely so.

There is what the Constitution says, and there is what it does not say. There is no mention of emergency powers for the government in the Constitution, but it is considered that there are such powers at time of emergency. So far the courts have not ruled that emergency powers do not exist. It might, however, be a good idea to define these powers more clearly in an amendment.


people that won\'t stay home,

They are staying home as much of the time people in Europe are.

If that were true, we would not be having such high outbreaks in many of our states. Maybe you are talking about some sort of averages.


people taking Trump advice to drink disinfectant, and more

A whopping one person, or was it two, and it wasn\'t in response to the
president. There are surely a lot more who have drunken bleach every
year.

Trump also said many times that we have effective drugs. The left, for
political reasons as always, advised people not to take them. A research
paper claimed the drugs were ineffective and the research turned out to
be fabricated.

You are lying now. By the \"left\" I assume you mean the experts in the field who research and review other research and have found little validation of the use of one particular drug that Trump seems to favor, admittedly for no reason, over all others. The general view in the medical community is that this one drug is more dangerous than it is helpful. It was only one study that was found to be suspect. Meanwhile there are drugs that are much more reliably effective. Florida just acquired a bunch of it from New York as well as the Federal government.


Not shutting down completely and opening too soon is likely to hit
the US hard in two weeks time

If so then it would at any time we reopen.

No, once we get the infection levels low enough to perform effective contact tracing we can manage the disease through quarantine of individuals rather than shutting down the country as a whole. But with 60,000 new cases each day this is not practical. With 15,000 new cases each day in a single state, we should consider imposing a quarantine on states with such high infection counts.

That has got to be a more reasonable approach than cutting funding from schools that choose to stay closed while infection rates rage.


Only upside is that finally people has such a clear situation showing
lack of leadership from Trump that he will probably not be reelected

That\'s the plan. The economy was doing far too well.

LOL!!! Trump personally has wrecked this country just in the last six months. Not only has his leadership, or lack thereof, severely impacted the economy, his management has cost the deaths of how many people?

Yes, we had a serious impact initially that was hard to get under control.. But we were on the path to getting rid of this disease when insanity broke out and people saw the momentum was draining away and let Trump talk the leaders into opening up before there was ANY HOPE of containing this disease. So many people, good people, the best people, the experts in the field said it was too soon to open. So Trump listened to his expert advisors and... wait, no! He ignored the experts and encouraged opening the shut downs to release the virus again!

All it takes right now is for everyone to return to the stay at home situation. It is so simple, but so many are in denial. Just practice extreme isolation and put everyone infected or exposed to infection in quarantine. If this is done effectively it won\'t take long at all for the country to rid itself of this disease and keep rid of it with contact tracing and quarantine.

Even the most simple minded person can understand that.

--

Rick C.

+-+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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Wrong - a VERY RECENT study found the Hydroxychloriquine to be very beneficial - if used EARLY and in the RIGHT DOSAGE.
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

 

[Flyguy]

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 9:39:47 PM UTC-7, Ricketty C wrote:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 10:34:13 PM UTC-4, Tom Del Rosso wrote:
klaus.kragelund@gmail.com wrote:
As an European it is fun or maybe tragic is a more appropriate to
follow the US pandemic response

As an American it\'s sometimes fun and sometimes tragic to follow
European affairs. And we don\'t have to go back far. Even genocide on
the continent was only 20 years ago and the European states did nothing
when they had the power to stop it.


People that think the virus is not real,

Slightly more common than thinking the Earth is flat.


people that won\'t wear mask

Everyone around here does when near people. Some people are masochistic
and wear it when no one is within 100 m.


saying it is against the constitution,

I haven\'t heard anyone say masks are unconstitutional. It\'s not even a
requirement except in stores and offices and that\'s a rule set by the
owners which is their right.

I have heard people say forbidding people to \"peaceably assemble\" and to
practice religion is unconstitutional, because it is, explicitely so.

There is what the Constitution says, and there is what it does not say. There is no mention of emergency powers for the government in the Constitution, but it is considered that there are such powers at time of emergency. So far the courts have not ruled that emergency powers do not exist. It might, however, be a good idea to define these powers more clearly in an amendment.


people that won\'t stay home,

They are staying home as much of the time people in Europe are.

If that were true, we would not be having such high outbreaks in many of our states. Maybe you are talking about some sort of averages.


people taking Trump advice to drink disinfectant, and more

A whopping one person, or was it two, and it wasn\'t in response to the
president. There are surely a lot more who have drunken bleach every
year.

Trump also said many times that we have effective drugs. The left, for
political reasons as always, advised people not to take them. A research
paper claimed the drugs were ineffective and the research turned out to
be fabricated.

You are lying now. By the \"left\" I assume you mean the experts in the field who research and review other research and have found little validation of the use of one particular drug that Trump seems to favor, admittedly for no reason, over all others. The general view in the medical community is that this one drug is more dangerous than it is helpful. It was only one study that was found to be suspect. Meanwhile there are drugs that are much more reliably effective. Florida just acquired a bunch of it from New York as well as the Federal government.


Not shutting down completely and opening too soon is likely to hit
the US hard in two weeks time

If so then it would at any time we reopen.

No, once we get the infection levels low enough to perform effective contact tracing we can manage the disease through quarantine of individuals rather than shutting down the country as a whole. But with 60,000 new cases each day this is not practical. With 15,000 new cases each day in a single state, we should consider imposing a quarantine on states with such high infection counts.

That has got to be a more reasonable approach than cutting funding from schools that choose to stay closed while infection rates rage.


Only upside is that finally people has such a clear situation showing
lack of leadership from Trump that he will probably not be reelected

That\'s the plan. The economy was doing far too well.

LOL!!! Trump personally has wrecked this country just in the last six months. Not only has his leadership, or lack thereof, severely impacted the economy, his management has cost the deaths of how many people?

Yes, we had a serious impact initially that was hard to get under control.. But we were on the path to getting rid of this disease when insanity broke out and people saw the momentum was draining away and let Trump talk the leaders into opening up before there was ANY HOPE of containing this disease. So many people, good people, the best people, the experts in the field said it was too soon to open. So Trump listened to his expert advisors and... wait, no! He ignored the experts and encouraged opening the shut downs to release the virus again!

All it takes right now is for everyone to return to the stay at home situation. It is so simple, but so many are in denial. Just practice extreme isolation and put everyone infected or exposed to infection in quarantine. If this is done effectively it won\'t take long at all for the country to rid itself of this disease and keep rid of it with contact tracing and quarantine.

Even the most simple minded person can understand that.

--

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Wrong - a VERY RECENT study found the Hydroxychloriquine to be very beneficial - if used EARLY and in the RIGHT DOSAGE.
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:12:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:43:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 6:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 12:52:01 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:59:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/4/2020 6:36 PM, david eather wrote:
wasn\'t there a kinda whitish guy who boasted that there wouldn\'t be 10
thousand new covid19 every day? How wrong does he have to be before the
barnacles can admit he was wrong?

What\'s a \"kinda whitish guy\"??

Snark usually suggests Trump.

So does boasting. John Larkin does seem to be one of his barnacles.

Weren\'t you boasting about the low rate of COVID in OZ? Guess what:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/world/australia/melbourne-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Our death rate from Covid-19 is still 4 ppm. It\'s an outbreak. not a nation-wide pandemic

You must be turning bright orange, dude.

The Victorian politicians who used cheap commercial security guards to enforce quarantine in isolation hotels for returning overseas travellers are doing a lot of explaining.

The authorities are working their contact tracers very hard. We\'ve got 2500 new cases from it so far (bringing us up to total of 10k), and are still getting a couple of hundred new cases per day, but what worked on the first outbreak ought to work on this one.

The demographic affected is a bit further down-market, and may not be as susceptible to contact tracing and self-isolation, but they are being encouraged a bit harder than the first round of infectors were.

--
Bill SL0W MAN, Sydney (which is okay, so far)

--
Bill SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN,

Now it\'s the GUARDS FAULT - you bloviating snakes\'s rectum, when are you going to face reality?

 

[Flyguy]

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 9:12:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Monday, July 13, 2020 at 1:43:00 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:
On Sunday, July 5, 2020 at 6:48:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 12:52:01 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:59:58 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/4/2020 6:36 PM, david eather wrote:
wasn\'t there a kinda whitish guy who boasted that there wouldn\'t be 10
thousand new covid19 every day? How wrong does he have to be before the
barnacles can admit he was wrong?

What\'s a \"kinda whitish guy\"??

Snark usually suggests Trump.

So does boasting. John Larkin does seem to be one of his barnacles.

Weren\'t you boasting about the low rate of COVID in OZ? Guess what:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/world/australia/melbourne-coronavirus-outbreak.html

Our death rate from Covid-19 is still 4 ppm. It\'s an outbreak. not a nation-wide pandemic

You must be turning bright orange, dude.

The Victorian politicians who used cheap commercial security guards to enforce quarantine in isolation hotels for returning overseas travellers are doing a lot of explaining.

The authorities are working their contact tracers very hard. We\'ve got 2500 new cases from it so far (bringing us up to total of 10k), and are still getting a couple of hundred new cases per day, but what worked on the first outbreak ought to work on this one.

The demographic affected is a bit further down-market, and may not be as susceptible to contact tracing and self-isolation, but they are being encouraged a bit harder than the first round of infectors were.

--
Bill SL0W MAN, Sydney (which is okay, so far)

--
Bill SL0W MAN, Sydney

Hey SL0W MAN,

Now it\'s the GUARDS FAULT - you bloviating snakes\'s rectum, when are you going to face reality?

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 5:06:29 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf

Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.

It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.

Another of your crap cites from the Sycophants. No such conclusions can be drawn from their phony research.

In your opinion. Nobody seems to have asked you to peer-review the paper when it was first submitted to PNAS.

> Their phony work was based on a weak survey on MTurk, and it does not comply with any existing standards for psychological research.

As if you would know what they were. Or could even point to place where they were codified.

> Tell us about your career as a scientist.

Why bother? I got a Ph.D. in Physical Chemistry but never got around to publishing the research it reported. The one paper I have published which has collected a respectable number of citations - 24 - is

Sloman A.W., Buggs P., Molloy J., and Stewart D. “A microcontroller-based driver to stabilise the temperature of an optical stage to 1mK in the range 4C to 38C, using a Peltier heat pump and a thermistor sensor” Measurement Science and Technology, 7 1653-64 (1996).

The classic paper I cite - Larsen (1968) - has only had 35 citations, so 24 isn\'t too bad for the instrument literature.

Tell us about your own stellar career in science ..

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:20:17 AM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:50:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
You are like the people who initially protested the stay at home orders because they wanted haircuts. You are so shallow and self centered. Yes, parking is what this pandemic is all about.

Your logic is wrong. I enjoy current parking and traffic situations, but i don\'t believe it should or will continue this way. How it that self centered?

Many office buildings are empty now and probably will never be occupied again. This cannot be a healthy city. City government living on ticket revenues can\'t last forever.

The city population density needs to be reduced and we need to reshape the area somehow. We just have to deal with the issues sooner or later.

I don\'t encourage people to protest the stay at home order. But i don\'t encourage blind strict enforcement either.

This is silly. You want strict enforcement, where it matters, for the 14 days it takes to make sure that anybody who has the infection has manifested it by testing positive for the presence of the virus.

Not enough districts in the US have done the kind of contact tracing that lets them quarantine only the people who might be infected for the 14 days from when they might have got infected.

We have been shut-down for many times of 14 days, but the virus is not going away. The 14 days period was and is just a guess. How is Australia and Beijing dealing with renew cases anyway? Contract tracing is not possible in many part of the world, including Beijing. We are way pass that point. You guys keep repeating meaningless phases.

Not to worry, the virus will suddenly be down the memory hole as
soon as the election\'s over, not a problem at all.

During H1N1 the Obama-Biden administration stopped counting cases.

quote
\"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there\'s an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.\"
/quote
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Can you imagine if this president did the same?

Apparently now we\'re supposed to permanently shut down the world every
time there\'s a virus anywhere. I\'m not sure people have thought this
thing through...

Cheers,
James Arthur

Looks like it has burned out in New York, as it did in many European
countries. You can\'t have 20% of a population infected, for two or
three weeks each maybe, forever, even if the herd immunity level were
100%. Which of course it isn\'t.

The characteristic new-case waveform seems to be a rounded hump (dare
I say Gaussian?) of width 5 weeks or so. Lockdowns no doubt extend the
tail and cause secondary blips when inevitably mis-managed.

The up-swing in the US south may well be caused by air conditioning..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/14/is-air-conditioning-contributing-to-coronavirus-spread/

Australia and S Africa and Paraguay seem to be having winter bumps.

The head of the CDC commented that they think the bump in the South
coincided with Memorial Day crowds of northerners, vacationing.

I\'ve just gotten word that despite being locked down in a lock-down
state to the point of lock-down insanity, Mom\'s been exposed. So now
the wait begins.

These half-witted faux-science worshippers who haven\'t let us get
national immunity may have killed her, just as I predicted months
ago.

I\'m sorry for your mom. Even in the older age groups it is only serious 20% of the time or so. Hope she gets better or even has no real symptoms..

Yeah, I feel your pain. The faux-science worshipers will make this disease as bad as it could be. I wish people would ignore the idiots and take the advice of the real scientists like Fauci.

You mean the same Fauci who said we shouldn\'t wear face coverings but
now says the opposite?

So you don\'t understand the reasoning in the two separate times???

Has no one explained it to you? Have you been living in a cave?

If you want to discuss the issue I would be happy to tell you why he said this.

Who told President Trump it was likely to be
like a bad seasonal flu? (Which is still likely -- flu\'s no joke.)

Fauci never told anyone that COVID-19 is like a \"bad seasonal flu\". I think you are believing some BS.

Who advised us that we needn\'t be concerned? Who said it was contained?
Then told us we\'d have to be locked-down forever?

Wow! You are really making up stuff. If he told us so many bad things, why is he STILL in his job? I guess Trump just isn\'t the sort of boss that likes to fire anyone. He will bend over backwards to keep people in their positions without firing them no matter how badly they screw up.

I like Fauci but he\'s not God, he\'s just a guy, and he\'s not better than
common sense. Wash your hands, don\'t touch your face. If you\'re sick,
stay home. If you\'ve been exposed, self-isolate. Don\'t cough on people,
that\'s rude.

Actually, he is the one source of information that is every bit as good as common sense. He is the one stable point in this topsy turvy world we are in today.

People like Navarro will be the death of us all.

I think it might be wise to leave this country and only return after the US quarantine is lifted. I\'m not talking about the US imposing a quarantine on the residents, I\'m talking about the quarantine the rest of the world will be imposing on this country. Consider how bad the economy will be then!

If we\'d allowed the 2/3rds of society we know aren\'t badly affected to
go about their business normally, this thing would\'ve been over months
ago and our senior citizens safe.

The only problem is we DON\'T know who is infected and who isn\'t. Don\'t you understand the simplest facts in this matter?

--

Rick C.

--++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:20:17 AM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:50:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
You are like the people who initially protested the stay at home orders because they wanted haircuts. You are so shallow and self centered. Yes, parking is what this pandemic is all about.

Your logic is wrong. I enjoy current parking and traffic situations, but i don\'t believe it should or will continue this way. How it that self centered?

Many office buildings are empty now and probably will never be occupied again. This cannot be a healthy city. City government living on ticket revenues can\'t last forever.

The city population density needs to be reduced and we need to reshape the area somehow. We just have to deal with the issues sooner or later.

I don\'t encourage people to protest the stay at home order. But i don\'t encourage blind strict enforcement either.

This is silly. You want strict enforcement, where it matters, for the 14 days it takes to make sure that anybody who has the infection has manifested it by testing positive for the presence of the virus.

Not enough districts in the US have done the kind of contact tracing that lets them quarantine only the people who might be infected for the 14 days from when they might have got infected.

We have been shut-down for many times of 14 days, but the virus is not going away. The 14 days period was and is just a guess. How is Australia and Beijing dealing with renew cases anyway? Contract tracing is not possible in many part of the world, including Beijing. We are way pass that point. You guys keep repeating meaningless phases.

Not to worry, the virus will suddenly be down the memory hole as
soon as the election\'s over, not a problem at all.

During H1N1 the Obama-Biden administration stopped counting cases.

quote
\"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there\'s an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.\"
/quote
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Can you imagine if this president did the same?

Apparently now we\'re supposed to permanently shut down the world every
time there\'s a virus anywhere. I\'m not sure people have thought this
thing through...

Cheers,
James Arthur

Looks like it has burned out in New York, as it did in many European
countries. You can\'t have 20% of a population infected, for two or
three weeks each maybe, forever, even if the herd immunity level were
100%. Which of course it isn\'t.

The characteristic new-case waveform seems to be a rounded hump (dare
I say Gaussian?) of width 5 weeks or so. Lockdowns no doubt extend the
tail and cause secondary blips when inevitably mis-managed.

The up-swing in the US south may well be caused by air conditioning..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/14/is-air-conditioning-contributing-to-coronavirus-spread/

Australia and S Africa and Paraguay seem to be having winter bumps.

The head of the CDC commented that they think the bump in the South
coincided with Memorial Day crowds of northerners, vacationing.

I\'ve just gotten word that despite being locked down in a lock-down
state to the point of lock-down insanity, Mom\'s been exposed. So now
the wait begins.

These half-witted faux-science worshippers who haven\'t let us get
national immunity may have killed her, just as I predicted months
ago.

I\'m sorry for your mom. Even in the older age groups it is only serious 20% of the time or so. Hope she gets better or even has no real symptoms..

Yeah, I feel your pain. The faux-science worshipers will make this disease as bad as it could be. I wish people would ignore the idiots and take the advice of the real scientists like Fauci.

You mean the same Fauci who said we shouldn\'t wear face coverings but
now says the opposite?

So you don\'t understand the reasoning in the two separate times???

Has no one explained it to you? Have you been living in a cave?

If you want to discuss the issue I would be happy to tell you why he said this.

Who told President Trump it was likely to be
like a bad seasonal flu? (Which is still likely -- flu\'s no joke.)

Fauci never told anyone that COVID-19 is like a \"bad seasonal flu\". I think you are believing some BS.

Who advised us that we needn\'t be concerned? Who said it was contained?
Then told us we\'d have to be locked-down forever?

Wow! You are really making up stuff. If he told us so many bad things, why is he STILL in his job? I guess Trump just isn\'t the sort of boss that likes to fire anyone. He will bend over backwards to keep people in their positions without firing them no matter how badly they screw up.

I like Fauci but he\'s not God, he\'s just a guy, and he\'s not better than
common sense. Wash your hands, don\'t touch your face. If you\'re sick,
stay home. If you\'ve been exposed, self-isolate. Don\'t cough on people,
that\'s rude.

Actually, he is the one source of information that is every bit as good as common sense. He is the one stable point in this topsy turvy world we are in today.

People like Navarro will be the death of us all.

I think it might be wise to leave this country and only return after the US quarantine is lifted. I\'m not talking about the US imposing a quarantine on the residents, I\'m talking about the quarantine the rest of the world will be imposing on this country. Consider how bad the economy will be then!

If we\'d allowed the 2/3rds of society we know aren\'t badly affected to
go about their business normally, this thing would\'ve been over months
ago and our senior citizens safe.

The only problem is we DON\'T know who is infected and who isn\'t. Don\'t you understand the simplest facts in this matter?

--

Rick C.

--++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:49:39 AM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:20:17 AM UTC-4, Ricketty C wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 11:50:17 PM UTC-4, dagmarg...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 1:50:54 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 21:13:37 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com
wrote:

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 11:19:34 PM UTC-4, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
You are like the people who initially protested the stay at home orders because they wanted haircuts. You are so shallow and self centered. Yes, parking is what this pandemic is all about.

Your logic is wrong. I enjoy current parking and traffic situations, but i don\'t believe it should or will continue this way. How it that self centered?

Many office buildings are empty now and probably will never be occupied again. This cannot be a healthy city. City government living on ticket revenues can\'t last forever.

The city population density needs to be reduced and we need to reshape the area somehow. We just have to deal with the issues sooner or later.

I don\'t encourage people to protest the stay at home order. But i don\'t encourage blind strict enforcement either.

This is silly. You want strict enforcement, where it matters, for the 14 days it takes to make sure that anybody who has the infection has manifested it by testing positive for the presence of the virus.

Not enough districts in the US have done the kind of contact tracing that lets them quarantine only the people who might be infected for the 14 days from when they might have got infected.

We have been shut-down for many times of 14 days, but the virus is not going away. The 14 days period was and is just a guess. How is Australia and Beijing dealing with renew cases anyway? Contract tracing is not possible in many part of the world, including Beijing. We are way pass that point. You guys keep repeating meaningless phases.

Not to worry, the virus will suddenly be down the memory hole as
soon as the election\'s over, not a problem at all.

During H1N1 the Obama-Biden administration stopped counting cases.

quote
\"In late July, the CDC abruptly advised states to stop testing for H1N1 flu, and stopped counting individual cases. The rationale given for the CDC guidance to forego testing and tracking individual cases was: why waste resources testing for H1N1 flu when the government has already confirmed there\'s an epidemic?

Some public health officials privately disagreed with the decision to stop testing and counting, telling CBS News that continued tracking of this new and possibly changing virus was important because H1N1 has a different epidemiology, affects younger people more than seasonal flu and has been shown to have a higher case fatality rate than other flu virus strains.\"
/quote
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swine-flu-cases-overestimated/

Can you imagine if this president did the same?

Apparently now we\'re supposed to permanently shut down the world every
time there\'s a virus anywhere. I\'m not sure people have thought this
thing through...

Cheers,
James Arthur

Looks like it has burned out in New York, as it did in many European
countries. You can\'t have 20% of a population infected, for two or
three weeks each maybe, forever, even if the herd immunity level were
100%. Which of course it isn\'t.

The characteristic new-case waveform seems to be a rounded hump (dare
I say Gaussian?) of width 5 weeks or so. Lockdowns no doubt extend the
tail and cause secondary blips when inevitably mis-managed.

The up-swing in the US south may well be caused by air conditioning..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/14/is-air-conditioning-contributing-to-coronavirus-spread/

Australia and S Africa and Paraguay seem to be having winter bumps.

The head of the CDC commented that they think the bump in the South
coincided with Memorial Day crowds of northerners, vacationing.

I\'ve just gotten word that despite being locked down in a lock-down
state to the point of lock-down insanity, Mom\'s been exposed. So now
the wait begins.

These half-witted faux-science worshippers who haven\'t let us get
national immunity may have killed her, just as I predicted months
ago.

I\'m sorry for your mom. Even in the older age groups it is only serious 20% of the time or so. Hope she gets better or even has no real symptoms..

Yeah, I feel your pain. The faux-science worshipers will make this disease as bad as it could be. I wish people would ignore the idiots and take the advice of the real scientists like Fauci.

You mean the same Fauci who said we shouldn\'t wear face coverings but
now says the opposite?

So you don\'t understand the reasoning in the two separate times???

Has no one explained it to you? Have you been living in a cave?

If you want to discuss the issue I would be happy to tell you why he said this.

Who told President Trump it was likely to be
like a bad seasonal flu? (Which is still likely -- flu\'s no joke.)

Fauci never told anyone that COVID-19 is like a \"bad seasonal flu\". I think you are believing some BS.

Who advised us that we needn\'t be concerned? Who said it was contained?
Then told us we\'d have to be locked-down forever?

Wow! You are really making up stuff. If he told us so many bad things, why is he STILL in his job? I guess Trump just isn\'t the sort of boss that likes to fire anyone. He will bend over backwards to keep people in their positions without firing them no matter how badly they screw up.

I like Fauci but he\'s not God, he\'s just a guy, and he\'s not better than
common sense. Wash your hands, don\'t touch your face. If you\'re sick,
stay home. If you\'ve been exposed, self-isolate. Don\'t cough on people,
that\'s rude.

Actually, he is the one source of information that is every bit as good as common sense. He is the one stable point in this topsy turvy world we are in today.

People like Navarro will be the death of us all.

I think it might be wise to leave this country and only return after the US quarantine is lifted. I\'m not talking about the US imposing a quarantine on the residents, I\'m talking about the quarantine the rest of the world will be imposing on this country. Consider how bad the economy will be then!

If we\'d allowed the 2/3rds of society we know aren\'t badly affected to
go about their business normally, this thing would\'ve been over months
ago and our senior citizens safe.

The only problem is we DON\'T know who is infected and who isn\'t. Don\'t you understand the simplest facts in this matter?

--

Rick C.

--++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
--++ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:23:33 PM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 15:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

No, it means that you are now a badly needed part of the herd by
diluting the danger for the rest.

Some people seem to have serious problems helping others.

I was hoping Larkin would take his own advice and work on his personal herd immunity. Unfortunately the evidence is mounting that there will be no lasting immunity and so no herd immunity ever.

As with many situations this is a Darwinian event. Part of the trouble is those who choose to ignore the danger put the rest of us at risk by continuing the propagation of the disease.

I know people in this group saw the video about the three general approaches to dealing with the disease. Ignore it and lots of people die. There is not so much impact on the economy and the disease reduces at some point.

Fight the disease with isolation, etc. to the detriment of the economy and save lives. Again, the disease does not last forever and at some point everything can reopen.

But the middle of the road approach, where we try to \"balance\" fighting the disease with keeping the economy open is insane because it continues the disease indefinitely resulting in the most morbidity and mortality as well as the worst impact to the economy.

Dealing with this disease halfheartedly is worse than doing nothing at all. Doing nothing at all is still much worse than mounting an effect attack on the disease and saving lives as well as the economy.

I don\'t get why this is not well understood. I guess Kim was right.

--

Rick C.

-+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:23:33 PM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 15:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

No, it means that you are now a badly needed part of the herd by
diluting the danger for the rest.

Some people seem to have serious problems helping others.

I was hoping Larkin would take his own advice and work on his personal herd immunity. Unfortunately the evidence is mounting that there will be no lasting immunity and so no herd immunity ever.

As with many situations this is a Darwinian event. Part of the trouble is those who choose to ignore the danger put the rest of us at risk by continuing the propagation of the disease.

I know people in this group saw the video about the three general approaches to dealing with the disease. Ignore it and lots of people die. There is not so much impact on the economy and the disease reduces at some point.

Fight the disease with isolation, etc. to the detriment of the economy and save lives. Again, the disease does not last forever and at some point everything can reopen.

But the middle of the road approach, where we try to \"balance\" fighting the disease with keeping the economy open is insane because it continues the disease indefinitely resulting in the most morbidity and mortality as well as the worst impact to the economy.

Dealing with this disease halfheartedly is worse than doing nothing at all. Doing nothing at all is still much worse than mounting an effect attack on the disease and saving lives as well as the economy.

I don\'t get why this is not well understood. I guess Kim was right.

--

Rick C.

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[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:23:33 PM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 15:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

No, it means that you are now a badly needed part of the herd by
diluting the danger for the rest.

Some people seem to have serious problems helping others.

I was hoping Larkin would take his own advice and work on his personal herd immunity. Unfortunately the evidence is mounting that there will be no lasting immunity and so no herd immunity ever.

As with many situations this is a Darwinian event. Part of the trouble is those who choose to ignore the danger put the rest of us at risk by continuing the propagation of the disease.

I know people in this group saw the video about the three general approaches to dealing with the disease. Ignore it and lots of people die. There is not so much impact on the economy and the disease reduces at some point.

Fight the disease with isolation, etc. to the detriment of the economy and save lives. Again, the disease does not last forever and at some point everything can reopen.

But the middle of the road approach, where we try to \"balance\" fighting the disease with keeping the economy open is insane because it continues the disease indefinitely resulting in the most morbidity and mortality as well as the worst impact to the economy.

Dealing with this disease halfheartedly is worse than doing nothing at all. Doing nothing at all is still much worse than mounting an effect attack on the disease and saving lives as well as the economy.

I don\'t get why this is not well understood. I guess Kim was right.

--

Rick C.

-+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
-+-- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[bitrex]

On 7/17/2020 2:07 AM, Ricketty C wrote:

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:23:33 PM UTC-4, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Am 16.07.20 um 15:44 schrieb jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 09:55:32 +0200, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de
wrote:

Am 16.07.20 um 09:20 schrieb Bill Sloman:

James Arthur hasn\'t noticed that when people start dying of Covid-19, other people start practice social distancing of their own accord. Note the Swedish example.

It still kills a lot of people, and even the Swedes aren\'t anywhere near herd immunity yet.

In fact, Sweden was just yesterday removed from the list of dangerous
countries by our (German) government. That has consequences for
insurances etc if you insist to go there.

And herd immunity is a silly idea. It does not even work in Bad Ischgl,
the Austrian skiing resort where they sport 42% seropositives, which
is probably the world record, much higher than Sweden.

And herd immunity does not mean that you won\'t get it if you are
in the herd.

It means that if you get it and survive, you are out of the herd.

No, it means that you are now a badly needed part of the herd by
diluting the danger for the rest.

Some people seem to have serious problems helping others.

I was hoping Larkin would take his own advice and work on his personal herd immunity. Unfortunately the evidence is mounting that there will be no lasting immunity and so no herd immunity ever.

As with many situations this is a Darwinian event. Part of the trouble is those who choose to ignore the danger put the rest of us at risk by continuing the propagation of the disease.

I know people in this group saw the video about the three general approaches to dealing with the disease. Ignore it and lots of people die. There is not so much impact on the economy and the disease reduces at some point.

Fight the disease with isolation, etc. to the detriment of the economy and save lives. Again, the disease does not last forever and at some point everything can reopen.

But the middle of the road approach, where we try to \"balance\" fighting the disease with keeping the economy open is insane because it continues the disease indefinitely resulting in the most morbidity and mortality as well as the worst impact to the economy.

Dealing with this disease halfheartedly is worse than doing nothing at all. Doing nothing at all is still much worse than mounting an effect attack on the disease and saving lives as well as the economy.

I don\'t get why this is not well understood. I guess Kim was right.

You\'re neglecting the fact that, being narcissists, a significant
fraction of the American population believe they\'re immortal.

Yes, I mean they literally believe they cannot die.