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Commander Kinsey <CFKinsey@military.org.jp> wrote:
Why are CPUs only about 80W TDP? Can\'t they make ones with three times as many cores that have 250W TDP like graphics cards?
they do and have for years. Here\'s a current one, hope you have some cash
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/205684/intel-xeon-platinum-8380hl-processor-38-5m-cache-2-90-ghz.html
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On 14/07/2020 20:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:23:45 +0100, Andy Bennet <andyb@andy.com> wrote:
On 14/07/2020 16:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do graphics cards only monitor the speed of one fan? If the other
one fails, it won\'t know!
Dunno - has yours only got 1 fan?
No, or I wouldn\'t have asked!
CPUID reports the speed of both by GPU fans as GPU#0 and GPU#1
How many GPUs do you have? Two cards? One card? Twin processor on
each card?
I\'ve never seen a card that reports both speeds, and it couldn\'t,
looking at the wiring, only one fan has a TACH wire.
It\'s a EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, 1 board, 2 fans 1 chip with 2560 cores.
On 14/07/2020 20:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:23:45 +0100, Andy Bennet <andyb@andy.com> wrote:
On 14/07/2020 16:10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do graphics cards only monitor the speed of one fan? If the other
one fails, it won\'t know!
Dunno - has yours only got 1 fan?
No, or I wouldn\'t have asked!
CPUID reports the speed of both by GPU fans as GPU#0 and GPU#1
How many GPUs do you have? Two cards? One card? Twin processor on
each card?
I\'ve never seen a card that reports both speeds, and it couldn\'t,
looking at the wiring, only one fan has a TACH wire.
It\'s a EVGA NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, 1 board, 2 fans 1 chip with 2560 cores.
East PA was super sketchy in those days. Mostly it was on the other side of
Highway 101, so it was comparatively isolated. Train tracks are a whole lot
easier to cross.
East PA was super sketchy in those days. Mostly it was on the other side of
Highway 101, so it was comparatively isolated. Train tracks are a whole lot
easier to cross.
East PA was super sketchy in those days. Mostly it was on the other side of
Highway 101, so it was comparatively isolated. Train tracks are a whole lot
easier to cross.
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Another of your crap cites from the Sycophants. No such conclusions can be drawn from their phony research. Their phony work was based on a weak survey on MTurk, and it does not comply with any existing standards for psychological research.
Tell us about your career as a scientist.
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Another of your crap cites from the Sycophants. No such conclusions can be drawn from their phony research. Their phony work was based on a weak survey on MTurk, and it does not comply with any existing standards for psychological research.
Tell us about your career as a scientist.
On 15/07/2020 20:12, bitrex wrote:
On 7/15/2020 12:15 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:18:11 +0100, Michael Kellett <mk@mkesc.co.uk
wrote:
Found this on \"All about Ciruits\" -
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/micron-digital-claims-to-have-eliminated-drifting-in-imus/?utm_source=All+About+Circuits+Members&utm_campaign=a3e890e124-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_07_09_11_04_COPY_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2565529c4b-a3e890e124-280503221
It takes you here:
http://www.romos.io/index.asp?FPFHFGFHIRJEIJILIG
They claim an inertial measuring breakthrough:
\"Once initialized, ROMOS will experience a maximum of 0.5mm static
variance offset from true position data over its operational lifetime.\"
With a dose of snake oil.
\"Using higher dimensional computations with back-propagation, Drift is
also eliminated from positional data.\"
This sounds like the standard 6-state or 9-state Kalman Filter. They
do work in big vector spaces.
External references are also provided to this Kalman Filter.
The information to cancel drift is not in the IMU data, so software
can do nothing to cancel drift from IMU data alone.
There is an absurd video too.
It\'s way to good (by many orders of magnitude) to be true - but what\'s
the point ?
How do they make money, are they hoping to trap just one lunatic venture
capitalist ?
I would think that a direct test would end the game, so I don\'t see
how even a lunatic investor could be fooled for long.
Micron Dynamics claims that the technology is patented, so I sent an
email asking for patent numbers.
Joe Gwinn
I don\'t see what\'s intrinsically bullshit or about claims of an inertial
measurement breakthrough vs. claims of real woo like cold fusion or
machines that run on their own power.
This doesn\'t seem quite in that same vein, and I doubt there\'s anyone
here with the qualifications to make credible commentary as to what\'s
actually possible or isn\'t with whatever machine-learning technique they
say they\'re applying. If they do have patents that\'s some amount of
credibility, I don\'t know whether I\'d trust my own evaluation of the
claims any more than the patent office, they\'re not all just
rubber-stampers who let any old thing fly.
Either they\'ll deliver, or they won\'t, most things in life tend to be
one thing or the other. But it seems like more of a gamble than an
outright \"scam\" that breaks the laws of physics without further
information. it\'s the kind of gamble VC people do day in and day out and
win or lose on, depending.
If they can\'t or won\'t provide references to the patents they claim to
have that would surely make me more skeptical
There are (at least) a couple of reasons to be sceptical:
First the term \"static variance offset\" is not standard IMU talk - if
you Google it you\'ll find one specific hit - under ROMOS !
Secondly, lets take that at face value - they seem to be saying that the
position error over the device lifetime will be 0.5mm.
From school physics you know that s = (a.t^2)/2 (s is distance a is
acceleration.
Lets assume a life of 5 years = 1.576E8 seconds
re-arranging we get a = 2s/(t^2) = 1e-3/(2.48E16) = 4e-20 m/s/s
This level of acceleration bias is not just unlikely but impossible.
Current good parts offer figures like 3ug = 3E-5 m/s/s bias instability.
If Micron Dynamics really had a 15 order of magnitude breakthrough they
would be marketing in a slightly different way.
On 15/07/2020 20:12, bitrex wrote:
On 7/15/2020 12:15 PM, Joe Gwinn wrote:
On Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:18:11 +0100, Michael Kellett <mk@mkesc.co.uk
wrote:
Found this on \"All about Ciruits\" -
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/micron-digital-claims-to-have-eliminated-drifting-in-imus/?utm_source=All+About+Circuits+Members&utm_campaign=a3e890e124-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_07_09_11_04_COPY_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2565529c4b-a3e890e124-280503221
It takes you here:
http://www.romos.io/index.asp?FPFHFGFHIRJEIJILIG
They claim an inertial measuring breakthrough:
\"Once initialized, ROMOS will experience a maximum of 0.5mm static
variance offset from true position data over its operational lifetime.\"
With a dose of snake oil.
\"Using higher dimensional computations with back-propagation, Drift is
also eliminated from positional data.\"
This sounds like the standard 6-state or 9-state Kalman Filter. They
do work in big vector spaces.
External references are also provided to this Kalman Filter.
The information to cancel drift is not in the IMU data, so software
can do nothing to cancel drift from IMU data alone.
There is an absurd video too.
It\'s way to good (by many orders of magnitude) to be true - but what\'s
the point ?
How do they make money, are they hoping to trap just one lunatic venture
capitalist ?
I would think that a direct test would end the game, so I don\'t see
how even a lunatic investor could be fooled for long.
Micron Dynamics claims that the technology is patented, so I sent an
email asking for patent numbers.
Joe Gwinn
I don\'t see what\'s intrinsically bullshit or about claims of an inertial
measurement breakthrough vs. claims of real woo like cold fusion or
machines that run on their own power.
This doesn\'t seem quite in that same vein, and I doubt there\'s anyone
here with the qualifications to make credible commentary as to what\'s
actually possible or isn\'t with whatever machine-learning technique they
say they\'re applying. If they do have patents that\'s some amount of
credibility, I don\'t know whether I\'d trust my own evaluation of the
claims any more than the patent office, they\'re not all just
rubber-stampers who let any old thing fly.
Either they\'ll deliver, or they won\'t, most things in life tend to be
one thing or the other. But it seems like more of a gamble than an
outright \"scam\" that breaks the laws of physics without further
information. it\'s the kind of gamble VC people do day in and day out and
win or lose on, depending.
If they can\'t or won\'t provide references to the patents they claim to
have that would surely make me more skeptical
There are (at least) a couple of reasons to be sceptical:
First the term \"static variance offset\" is not standard IMU talk - if
you Google it you\'ll find one specific hit - under ROMOS !
Secondly, lets take that at face value - they seem to be saying that the
position error over the device lifetime will be 0.5mm.
From school physics you know that s = (a.t^2)/2 (s is distance a is
acceleration.
Lets assume a life of 5 years = 1.576E8 seconds
re-arranging we get a = 2s/(t^2) = 1e-3/(2.48E16) = 4e-20 m/s/s
This level of acceleration bias is not just unlikely but impossible.
Current good parts offer figures like 3ug = 3E-5 m/s/s bias instability.
If Micron Dynamics really had a 15 order of magnitude breakthrough they
would be marketing in a slightly different way.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Another of your crap cites from the Sycophants. No such conclusions can be drawn from their phony research. Their phony work was based on a weak survey on MTurk, and it does not comply with any existing standards for psychological research.
Tell us about your career as a scientist.
That paper is hilarious. They declare that the public is so ignorant
that they look at a linear slope and don\'t appreciate that it\'s
actually exponential. What\'s worse, some of those ignorant rednecks
think they actually see a peak and a decline.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Some people, when equations conflict with measurement, still believe
the equations.
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 12:06:23 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 12:16:45 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
Today\'s Proceedings of the (US) National Academy of Sciences has this paper
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/06/23/2006048117.full.pdf
Apparently if you spend time spelling out what exponential growth really means, even conservatives become more willing to take social distancing seriously.
It probably won\'t work on John Larkin who is really resistant to having things spelled out for him, and wouldn\'t work for Trump, who hasn\'t got a long enough attention span to let him absorb the message.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Another of your crap cites from the Sycophants. No such conclusions can be drawn from their phony research. Their phony work was based on a weak survey on MTurk, and it does not comply with any existing standards for psychological research.
Tell us about your career as a scientist.
That paper is hilarious. They declare that the public is so ignorant
that they look at a linear slope and don\'t appreciate that it\'s
actually exponential. What\'s worse, some of those ignorant rednecks
think they actually see a peak and a decline.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
Some people, when equations conflict with measurement, still believe
the equations.
Per capita comparisons are interesting.
The Wuhan event resulted in virus detections per capita
in the 54ppm range at the end of its containment excercises
in which the resources of the whole country were applied.
In the US, Sweden and Peru, detections are over 5000ppm, at
present, without containment.
China would have had to experience 100 Wuhans, to match this,
and detections indicate a 2x Wuhan-level event for every day
that records are kept in those nations.
It\'s not unreasonable to question whether containment is
possible, at this late stage.
A 100ppm daily detection rate would, in one year, result in
an approximately 4% penetration within the population.
Recently Chile has reported virus penetration of 1.5% after
four months. Fatality rates of covid sufferers is reported
to be below 3%.
Median age in US and Russia is 38.7 and 37.6yrs respectively.
Median age in Canada, UK and Sweden is 40-41yrs.
Median age in Germany and Italy is 45-46yrs.
Median age in Peru and Mexico is 27.5yrs.
Median age in Chile and Brazil is 33.7 and 31.3yrs respectively.
Per capita comparisons are interesting.
The Wuhan event resulted in virus detections per capita
in the 54ppm range at the end of its containment excercises
in which the resources of the whole country were applied.
In the US, Sweden and Peru, detections are over 5000ppm, at
present, without containment.
China would have had to experience 100 Wuhans, to match this,
and detections indicate a 2x Wuhan-level event for every day
that records are kept in those nations.
It\'s not unreasonable to question whether containment is
possible, at this late stage.
A 100ppm daily detection rate would, in one year, result in
an approximately 4% penetration within the population.
Recently Chile has reported virus penetration of 1.5% after
four months. Fatality rates of covid sufferers is reported
to be below 3%.
Median age in US and Russia is 38.7 and 37.6yrs respectively.
Median age in Canada, UK and Sweden is 40-41yrs.
Median age in Germany and Italy is 45-46yrs.
Median age in Peru and Mexico is 27.5yrs.
Median age in Chile and Brazil is 33.7 and 31.3yrs respectively.
Per capita comparisons are interesting.
The Wuhan event resulted in virus detections per capita
in the 54ppm range at the end of its containment excercises
in which the resources of the whole country were applied.
In the US, Sweden and Peru, detections are over 5000ppm, at
present, without containment.
China would have had to experience 100 Wuhans, to match this,
and detections indicate a 2x Wuhan-level event for every day
that records are kept in those nations.
It\'s not unreasonable to question whether containment is
possible, at this late stage.
A 100ppm daily detection rate would, in one year, result in
an approximately 4% penetration within the population.
Recently Chile has reported virus penetration of 1.5% after
four months. Fatality rates of covid sufferers is reported
to be below 3%.
Median age in US and Russia is 38.7 and 37.6yrs respectively.
Median age in Canada, UK and Sweden is 40-41yrs.
Median age in Germany and Italy is 45-46yrs.
Median age in Peru and Mexico is 27.5yrs.
Median age in Chile and Brazil is 33.7 and 31.3yrs respectively.
On 16/07/20 15:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:56 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/07/20 14:26, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 07:28:17 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.
True for some people, false for many more.
Many people feel defined by their work, and feel
pointless without it. Such people have a tendency
to \"give up and die\" relatively shortly after
retiring.
You seem to understand Theory X companies, but
have no clue about Theory Y companies, as described
by McGregor in the 1950s.
Long before McGregor, Hewlett and Packard knew the
difference instinctively, and created a rather
successful Theory Y company. You may have heard
of it.
\"Theory Y managers assume employees are internally
motivated, enjoy their job, and work to better
themselves without a direct reward in return. These
managers view their employees as one of the most
valuable assets to the company, driving the internal
workings of the corporation. Employees additionally
tend to take full responsibility for their work and
do not need close supervision to create a quality
product.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_Theory_Y
Or, as famously noted at the time of Princess Fiorina,
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0105/loyal.shtml
Sure, but a company doesn\'t become a Y just with a policy statement.
It requires finding and hiring the right workers, treating them right,
and firing the ones that don\'t work out.
It didn\'t cross my mind anybody could think mere
policy statements could be sufficient.
In HP, the HP Way was continually reinforced and
re-explained by use of Bill and Dave anecdotes,
wheeled out to show how they thought and wanted
things to be done. Apparently when they were setting
up new sites the first hires became a little sick
and tired of them!
OTOH, Princess Fiorina made very animated policy
pronouncements, which nobody could understand.
That\'s one of the things that made me decide
to leave.
I have Packard\'s book, The HP Way. And I have Fiorina\'s book, The
Journey. The contrast is hilarious.
Not if you were in HP!
HP did that early on. By about 1980, not so well.
HP was /very/ careful about its hiring process, at least
until shortly before Fiorina ascended in 1999.
I interviewed at HP in about 1980. The guy was obnoxious. He would
have been my boss.
He looked at my resume and said \"The first thing you need to do is
decide if you are an engineer or a programmer.\"
What I decided to do was walk out.
Snap!
I had an interview at a GEC site in ~1981. After explaining
the hardware and software and systems I had designed, the
HRdroid asked me whether I was \"really a hardware of software
engineer\".
Somewhat surprisingly, I managed not to give him an earful.
I suspect the expression on my face and my answers becoming
terser might have alerted him to his faux pas. The idiot still
offered me a job.
On 16/07/20 15:32, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:56 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/07/20 14:26, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 07:28:17 +0100, Tom Gardner
spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
On 16/07/20 06:32, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
E.g., why would someone on the dole ever work for something they
already get free? It doesn\'t make any sense.
True for some people, false for many more.
Many people feel defined by their work, and feel
pointless without it. Such people have a tendency
to \"give up and die\" relatively shortly after
retiring.
You seem to understand Theory X companies, but
have no clue about Theory Y companies, as described
by McGregor in the 1950s.
Long before McGregor, Hewlett and Packard knew the
difference instinctively, and created a rather
successful Theory Y company. You may have heard
of it.
\"Theory Y managers assume employees are internally
motivated, enjoy their job, and work to better
themselves without a direct reward in return. These
managers view their employees as one of the most
valuable assets to the company, driving the internal
workings of the corporation. Employees additionally
tend to take full responsibility for their work and
do not need close supervision to create a quality
product.\"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_Theory_Y
Or, as famously noted at the time of Princess Fiorina,
http://www.satirewire.com/news/0105/loyal.shtml
Sure, but a company doesn\'t become a Y just with a policy statement.
It requires finding and hiring the right workers, treating them right,
and firing the ones that don\'t work out.
It didn\'t cross my mind anybody could think mere
policy statements could be sufficient.
In HP, the HP Way was continually reinforced and
re-explained by use of Bill and Dave anecdotes,
wheeled out to show how they thought and wanted
things to be done. Apparently when they were setting
up new sites the first hires became a little sick
and tired of them!
OTOH, Princess Fiorina made very animated policy
pronouncements, which nobody could understand.
That\'s one of the things that made me decide
to leave.
I have Packard\'s book, The HP Way. And I have Fiorina\'s book, The
Journey. The contrast is hilarious.
Not if you were in HP!
HP did that early on. By about 1980, not so well.
HP was /very/ careful about its hiring process, at least
until shortly before Fiorina ascended in 1999.
I interviewed at HP in about 1980. The guy was obnoxious. He would
have been my boss.
He looked at my resume and said \"The first thing you need to do is
decide if you are an engineer or a programmer.\"
What I decided to do was walk out.
Snap!
I had an interview at a GEC site in ~1981. After explaining
the hardware and software and systems I had designed, the
HRdroid asked me whether I was \"really a hardware of software
engineer\".
Somewhat surprisingly, I managed not to give him an earful.
I suspect the expression on my face and my answers becoming
terser might have alerted him to his faux pas. The idiot still
offered me a job.